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Old 08-31-2016, 07:50 AM
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I've no problem with those.

If not that's cool, but enjoy your insights,
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I missed you post but yes it works here. It still works. You might need
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From pictures to hardware progress report.

This is the rotor build making sure in this experiment to use all
steel components like used in electric car motors. The all steel rotor
will allow flux to return back to the drive motor.

What can it say? A picture is worth a thousand words. I could
say "3 Battery Motor/Gen" and "Tesla Switch Motor" or Matt's Energizer"

In a recent post Dave said that if we who build "Matt's Modified Motor"
got enough hours operating it we would see that the rotor is not the only
way in which to get the extra energy.















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....my big generator has cost me OVER
$3,000.00 to build with the changes, rebuilds, etc. That I have
done, and about $400 of that was just for the wire, and another
$450 just for magnets. I have been accused of all kinds of things
and called all kinds of names for not SHARING how to build it, but
who would have been able to replicate it anyway?????!!!!! Not
only that, but it is already OBSOLETE because of what we have
learned. Remember, I built version one well over two YEARS ago.
As I said recently, you don't NEED the rotors and magnets.

You need five deep cycle BIG batteries for the 3 battery system
You need a method of rotating the batteries and I believe Carroll
JUST POSTED that.
You need to understand that all your connections need to be made
with #12 wire, not radio shack clip leads. (well, MAYBE #14 would
work, but I hope you get the picture.)
And you need to understand what the 3 battery system DOES and
what it is CAPABLE of doing before you are ready to move on.
You need to spend a heck of a lot of time with Matt's rewound pulse
motor until you understand EXACTLY WHAT is going on with the
system and WHY. And when you THINK you know what is going
on, change some things up and see what happens. Put loads in
different places.

And when all that is said and done, Take a LONG HARD look at
that pulse motor and figure out (I know you can do it!) what it is.
What it DOES. And what is LEFT when you remove the "rotor"
and the "magnets" that I said you didn't need. You have to be a
little creative in your thinking here, because the rotor I was
speaking of was the one to hold the magnets, not the one in
an actual motor. But I have faith SOMEONE will figure it out.
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Old 09-18-2016, 08:56 AM
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I spent some time drilling holes today and fitting magnets to the rotor.
Also looking at the rise and fall times as well as the frequency of the
little energizer modified motor that everyone is ignoring. Your lose is my
gain.

I have all of the holes cut and 8 out of 20 fixtures installed.

I am rusty as hell on a scope but every time I run a measurement the
fall times look to be 70 nano when I am running at 10volts today from
a half dead Alum. It is charging back up.

These motors run thru a commutator look so much different than a
standard pulse does from a circuit. I am not sure what the RPM on these
modified motors run at 12volts and I still don't have an RPM gauge.
However it looks fast to me about 1300 RPM? I know a 24v motor runs 2500rpm. If anyone has taken a reading on their motor let me know
what RPM's you are running. I am probably not going to find out from
anyone of these threads but it won't hurt to ask.

I can't believe how little consideration this modified motor has been
shown or the fact that among people with so many tittles can't offer
basic data on motor operation.

I realize many of you know but are out of time, so questions just sort
of fall to the ground.

The scope shows a longitudinal type wave like a rope being shook.
It looks like an 80% duty cycle but this digital scope will fool ya. I need
to go back to my analog scope for such low frequency jobs.

I couldn't get a peek to peek reading, I couldn't ever read 10volts on
the digital scope after it got running. I will try my other probes. This
pulse motor is reading very strangely. It reminds me of the SG Osc
circuits but the switched brush action is a different world.

I'll keep building parts.The digital scope shows much ringing, here
is the analog scope. I'll be back after it gets done in a few weeks.


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Hi Bro,
before you trust scopes you should check their properties! Every scope owns a maximum frequency where the readings are still wihtin tolarance.
It might be true that your older analog scope has a much lower frequency range compared to your digital one. Thus it is no wonder that it smoothes the wave form out - but does not show true facts.
If you want to get rid of this trigger problem forever you might try to add an opto sensor (or hall sensor) to the motor and connect it to the external trigger. Then you will have at every revolution the very same start point and you see only one single and same transition at every revolution.
Moving the rigger mark you can conecutively check every coil individually.

An other frequent problem is that setups have nc FAT and MASSIVE and CENRATL GND referenece point. Then it is very very difficult to find a reliable GND tap for the scope. It is like searching for a solid reference point inside a water fall.

It is a good idea to choose the battery minus pole as GND reference and connect all GNDs in star shape here to - but FAT wires.

for more study see:
Solving Ground Loop Problems - Star Grounding
https://kasunsomaratne.com/2014/07/1...educing-noise/

It is like at PCs. The problem sometimes sits well incarnated before the screen! :-) That's my experinece with myself.
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:54 AM
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Hello Everyone

I would like to say that my project construction is coming along just fine.
The rotor material I selected has many great anti-warping qualities yet is
a real challenge to put such large holes into such thin plate.

Got it.

Also the filing process using a rat tail file to hone to the thousandths the
inter diameter of the 1/2' X 1/2" iron tubes takes time. I now have 15
mounted on the rotor. Once adjustments are made to bring the individual
magnets all into close proximity to to cores, I will dip the rotor plate.

As I populate the rotor it is becoming a heavy object and if need be I will
mount the rotor on a separate set of bearing as I have stated before. For
now the rotor is going to run straight off the modified scooter motor.

Turion has recently mentioned that the modified motor has a distinct
advantage over any other device he has yet to try when splitting the
POS....

I'll have to agree. The energizer action thru the use of the abrupt
electrical condition created by the brushes can not be matched in
many cases with circuits by the average joe. I am enjoying this the
way it is.

Thanks to the inventor.

You guys know me by now and when i am ready, I'll be sitting on your
front porch with the good news. Hold on just minute and I'll be right
there.

Hey Dave, how are the holes?

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What BroMikey is doing now falls more under his motor/generator thread or my Basic Free Energy Device thread than it does here, but as long as the information gets out there, who cares how that happens?

If you HAVE a modified razor scooter motor to run your generator. If you HAVE the battery rotating circuit Citfta showed. If you UNDERSTAND what makes the 3 Battery system work and WHY so you can run loads between the positives. If you BUILD a generator that will speed up under load, you have it all. There are a couple folks who have SHOWN how to build a device that speeds up under load on YouTube. Watch and learn. Once you have the principles down, you will understand what Ed Leedskalnin was up to.

Peter Lindemann gave it ALL away at the last conference, and then sold a video that shows it all for people who weren't ablate attend. If you read and understand everything that is in the Bedini SG series Peter and John have put together, and that includes what is in the "Beyond" video and still can't build the free energy device you have always wanted to build, it is time to hire someone to do it for you or get a new hobby.

I am absolutely AMAZED that thousands of folks aren't popping up all over the internet with working free energy devices after that last conference, but I guess there are so few real builders out there that I shouldn't be surprised at all.

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What BroMikey is doing now falls more under his motor/generator thread...........

If you read and understand everything that is in the Bedini SG series Peter and John have put together, and that includes what is in the "Beyond" video and still can't build the free energy device ........................

it is time to hire someone to do it for you or get a new hobby.

I am absolutely AMAZED that thousands of folks aren't popping up .......
there are so few real builders out there...................

Hi Dave

Thats right, the old dogs have long since given up and they are incapable
of performing any new tricks and if you ask me, I never thought most of
them had it in them to begin with, always disagreeing projecting skepticism
while their so called experiments were in progress. Half hearted
also find what they are looking for, nothing.
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:11 AM
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I'm not saying that what Peter showed at the conference is the ultimate machine. In fact I think he'd be the first to agree that it is NOT, but it shows that when you put the pieces we have been talking about together you have a machine that DOES work.

It gives us a place to START. From there you move on to bigger and better things and even solid state. But until you have a working machine, how can you possibly improve it?

We have too many folks sitting around TALKING about this stuff and drawing pretty pictures instead of building something. Even FAILURES teach us things. I should know. I have built lots and lots and lots of things that did not do what I hoped they would do, and I am STILL building.

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What BroMikey is doing now falls more under his motor/generator thread

If you HAVE a modified razor scooter motor........

the battery rotating circuit

a generator that will speed up under load, you have it all.

Peter Lindemann gave it ALL away at the last conference, and then sold a video that shows it ............
Hello Turion-Man

I quite agree about how the pathway has been paved by our leading
inventors and that people must be in denial about the idea presented.
I will say that some of the younger guys are no doubt already doing
this. This is because that the younger men have all of the energy.

While the guys on the groups never seem to do anything but draw
pictures others are building still some do both. Yours truly.

In your above statement the part where the generator section speeds
up under load reaches out and grabs me. I mean here we are
presented with a modified motor that already can be producing excess
under the right conditions then to think the wasted mechanical in this
setting could actually assist rotor action and further reverse any drag
giving extra again then the additional generator coils as many as you
can possibly mount will not only add huge amounts of power to the
COP but continue to assist rotor action to a potential run away
status.

These systems will dominate the future of renewable energy. No wind or
sun needed. I have been studying "ACCELERATING UNDER LOAD" coils
as per THANE HEINS. As you have already stated that you can and have
used many size wire/length coils where you were able to cause an
acceleration under a load if the critical freq is reached. As Thane Heins
puts it "THE CRITICAL MINIMUM FREQUENCY" which is another way of
saying that at a certain frequency and above, will cause the assistance
to the rotor we are looking for.

So far many inventors have attempted to explain this assisted rotor
phenomena with each one stating they are not sure if their expressions
best describe what might truly be happening, leaving the door open to
welcomed speculation by those qualified to make these advanced
judgements.

According to THANE our motor technology of 100 years old requires
every motor to run against it's own will to do so. In other words the
incoming north or south pole is always resisting the approach at the
rotor pole and also wants the magnet pole to stay TDC once it is
there. Anyone who understands that will understand the rest.

We want a delay in the coils response to the approaching pole.

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It's more than just the "frequency", but look at just the simple factors that affect "frequency." You have the speed of the motor turning the generator, which can be affected by gearing up or down. You have the size of the rotor. You have the size of the magnets. You have the number of magnets on the rotor.

If you are lucky enough to get all those correct, there are still at least a couple other factors that will affect your outcome. Research, research, research. And this is where it gets expensive and time consuming, because winding and rewinding coils to get the output you want is a tedious process. I absolutely HATE winding coils!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

And look at how the frequency affects the output of the coil, not just whether or not it will speed up under load.

Thaine believes in high impedance coils to get the speed up under load. I have seen it with small coils that were NOT high impedance. So there is more than one way to skin that cat.

Here is another POSSIBLE way to deal with Lenz. It is one of the ways I am trying out this week in my search for the BEST and SIMPLEST method of producing power by pulsing coils (gotta have those pulsing coils!!) between the positives.

Dealing with Lenz's Law
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Update rotor details

Let me start by saying that all repeats are good to help me focus
even better on this machine. Hats off to the makers of the build.

Now let's make sure everyone clearly understands that what you see here
is information derived from many men and has nothing to do with me as far
as me creating all of these builds.

On to what I have always wanted to know. Not all questions are listed with only a few answers.

1) How much does the modified motor draw?

2) How much can I recover of the running current?

3) How much does the mod motor draw with rotor?

4) How much does the mod motor draw with rotor and magnets?

5) How much does the mod motor draw with rotor, magnets and cores

6) How much does the mod motor draw with rotor, magnets, cores/coils?

7) How much does the mod motor draw with rotor, magnets, cores/coils
in shorted position?

8) How much does the mod motor draw with rotor, magnets, cores/coils
in generator position?

9) How much does the mod motor draw with rotor, magnets, cores/coils
in generator position while speeding up under a load?

10) How much generator current is produced from a single core in normal
generator mode without the condition of acceleration under load.

11) How much current increase to the prime mover (MOD MOTOR) during
normal generator mode?

12) How much current reduction will occur for the MOD MOTOR when
the acceleration under load condition is reached?

13) How many regular generator coils can be added to the rotor at how
much increased power draw to the prime mover?

So far I have a few answers. To me these answers are what it is all
about. Without these questions and many more being answered the path
to improved design is not part of the research.

Questions like, 14) when a generator coil is constructed to produce
acceleration of the prime mover does current recovery surpass friction
and boost circuit losses?

My rotor magnet mounts are all placed around the rotor with some filing left
to do. The rotor weights 3 pounds approx and takes extra power to get it
up to speed. Without the rotor the current draw is 1 amp at 12vdc.

With the flywheel rotor the current draw on start up starts at 5 amps
for 1 second and each second drops 2 amps til a 1.3amp running current
is realized. Perfectly balanced, zero vibration over 1000 RPM's (Not sure yet)

My next set of tests will be to see how much current increase with occur
to the prime mover with a single Ferite core positioned 1/4" from the rotor's
20 magnets. No magnets have been installed so far

Since all magnets have cogging when iron comes into close
proximity a record of the increase should be noted.

Hypothetically if the Ferrite cogging increases draw to the prime mover
100ma can a wound ferrite core offer 100ma to replace the loss?







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BroMikey,
There are no specific answers to your questions. Unfortunately. And here's why. There are THREE different sizes of the MY1016 motor and it is made by at least FOUR different manufacturers that I know of. All three of the different sizes have different rotor widths, so a specific length of wire nets a different number of turns on each of these sizes and therefore different results. Your amp draw as well as your RPM will depend on which motor you wound with what length of wire PLUS how well you wound it and can TUNE it. I've got a couple ideas for things I can print with my 3 D printer that will allow for much easier tuning, but have yet to try them.

Recovery can be over 95% but that depends on some things too, like the condition of the batteries, whether you are rotating them properly, whether you have the right sized wire in your setup.

Output depends on the size of the coils, the core material and its size, the number of coils and how many magnets on the rotor. The size and weight of the rotor come into play, as well as whether or not you speed up under load.

As far as output vs input, I have seen output of 1800 watts with an input of 240 watts. And 95% of that 240 watt input can be recovered. My motor was running on 24 volts at 10 amps, unloaded, and loads on the generator decreased the amp draw, increased the speed and therefore increased the output.

But I can tell you now that probably NO ferrite cores that you can get your hands on will do it for you. It will put out the volts but not the amps. There is a trade off with iron cores. There is more magnetic lock to deal with at lower RPM's but at higher RPM's you are going fast enough that this is partially negated, and iron cores put out amps. We are still searching for the best core material. And if you have straight cores instead of "U" shaped cores you get more coils around the rotor. You don't need U shaped cores to get speed up under load. I'm not sure you would get it with just one coil on the U shape anyway. I haven't tried it ad I don't want to discourage anyone from trying something that might work!
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Hello TURION

Good to see you are still alive and kicking after all you have faced here
recently. Looks like you even went on vacation. Not a bad turn
around, not bad.

I will keep in mind that the core material plays a big roll in how much
current I can drag in. I will be happy to see the break even point after
the initial recovery of the bulk of the watts running in the prime mover.

I have not calculated anything. I have a disk (metal rotor) that is 10"
diameter than selecting thru trial and error the proper even displacement
of a randomly chosen magnet group. Just a collection on hand of what is
available to me. No graphic plot, no real rhyme or reason for dia. of magnets.


I'll continue in the next post
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A shot in the dark as the old saying goes.

The "C" core arrangement may increase the frequency and based on coil
calculations an individual setup might require this as an enhancement. My
first coil plan (Another guess) will use bifilar so I can play with 2 different
lengths at the same speed. A further confirmation that I am headed in the
right direction for wire size and length might be seen when switching back
and forth from a short length of wire of low impedance to double that.

Here is what I do know.

Standard coils are low impedance on a pump motor for a washing machine
use a "C" core shape with 24awg at 130feet of wire on BOTH SIDES. Now
looking at the standard engineering models I have my starting point.

There are many values of Ferite ranging from HF to LF and the LOW FREQ
Ferite can directly replace the 150 year old iron bars using all standard
engineering numbers. This is why Ferite blocks are not as easy to tailor
in research as compared to the PERMALLOY tape counterpart.

What you are saying is that I should not select a ferite core that is such
a high frequency that will starve my current draw at low frequencies.

Thanks again and this has been on my mind since my ferite is out of a
flyback transformer. Maybe some welding rods or blacksand or who knows.
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I guess what I'm really saying is that until everyone is using the SAME motor wound with the SAME amount of wire attached to the SMAE sized batteries running on the SAME switching circuit turning the SAME size rotor with the SAME number of the SAME magnets at the SAME rpm next to a coil with the SAME core and the SAME number of windings of the SAME sized wire, we are comparing elephants to alligators when we talk about data, and we aren't going to get answers to SPECIFIC questions and only some general ideas of what to do. I think the answer lies in coming up with a small prototype that everyone who wants to can replicate so that we are all on the same page, but look how long it has taken people just to replicate this simple pulse motor, and how many have the battery switching circuit done?

Matt mentioned that he is going to share some stuff with the group, and he is sending me some stuff that may have something to do with what he intends to share. But so far we STILL haven't settled on the BEST configuration for this little motor that allows us to get the most out of it and can be done easily by the average guy. Hopefully we will get there soon.

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Hello Mr Dave

That is quite alright because I wouldn't be able to do exactly like you
anyway. I do appreciate your kind regard for suggesting you guys would
lend a hand, after I asked a million questions with no answers.

I didn't want to rub in the fact that nobody has all the answers.

Now, all seriousness set aside (Like Peter says) I would like to say
again that there are many who have done low lenz generators all over
the web including John B. The biggy is getting the scooter motor re-wired
to where she does what it is suppose to. After that hurdle we are left
with an easier task, making generator sections sized for the optimum
capacity of the MY1016.

The brushes are good for 10 amps but 5 amps would last much longer
not to mention all the heat ramming 10amps down a tiny wire.
The 20awg I am using fits great at 100 turns on my scooter core, by
my chinny chin chin. Just big enough.

At 12vdc it runs at 1 amp

At 14.75vdc it runs 1.4amps

This data is for running naked, no rotor.

As I progress I will share my findings, I am in not hurry. My rotor is coming
along great and does free wheel at 12vdc around 1.3amps. So we can see
that 300ma must be recovered to break even but when the core goes no
this 300ma figure might be 400ma, I don't know. I don't know anyone who
do research like I do.

In other words there is no thorough systematic data one step at a time
that shows the increase that the rotor plus cogging will develop so the
math can be done.

What needs to be done is to get enough back with 1 coil because 10 coils
that are dragging down the system will only make it worse. 1 coil that
produces acceleration to the rotor however slight while collecting generator
coil power (The amount is not important) at the same time.

It is the principle of the thing my dear boy wattson
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I am sure you would be the first to agree. We sure have been blessed
with plenty of others research to work with like Tesla and people who
are making extended core lengths to use as a delay. Or we could look at
THANE'S work.

Tinned wire over copper gives a skin effect, high frequency diodes,
switched recovery for coils are down the road. I have not even figured
out what the current draw jumps to under cogging at many different
gaps. 1/16" - 1/4"

This has been my question for 2 years and no one I have ever watched
on youtube has ever addressed these basic steps for low lenz generator
research. And I have watched 100's upon 100's.

Here is what SHOULD be shown. This message is for the group coming.

1) How much current does the mod motor draw all by itself

2) How much does it draw with a rotor pushing magnets and coils?

3) How much does it draw in open circuit connection (Idling)

4) How much does it draw generating?

Not the gen coils, I am talking about the prime mover.

How much? How much does cogging cost me?
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Let me also add what I have been working on. I bought three tiny
hall switch circuits with amp built into the board all about the size of your
thumb. I am mounting a 3" ring off the hub so I may put a magnet on it.
It is important to get good readings for rpm's.

Handhelds are fine for some so bring a large supply of batteries, not me
I want it to run all of the time. Without that any research done is only
a pretty good guess. Got to set up things to be good accuracy. These
cheap-O meters drift 10-20 rpm's while your hand moves.

I'll be showing off coming up.
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Matt's first prototype was only four magnets on the rotor and two coils. He used a stock motor with a timer to pulse it and his output was more than double the input, plus it sped up under load. That was the basic machine I replicated, and we realized that the rewound razor scooter motor would take us to where we wanted to go.

I have tried pulsing all kinds of things between the positives since then and have gotten ALL KINDS of things to give more OUT than IN, but I keep coming back to the fact that with a motor, you not only get the coil collapse that you get off the other devices I tested, but you ALSO get the mechanical work done by the motor, and so far I haven't been able to top that no matter WHAT I have tried. Transformers, Bosst Converters, Inverters, Coils....all of them will give more out than in, and there are some possibilities we are still working on that are VERY promising, but whatever it is would have to go some to beat a motor turning a Lenz free generator.

My frustration is that this is absolutely the answer everyone on these forums has been looking for, yet how many of us are actually building these simple devices? It just kills me.

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Investigating the proper core material for replications would be a good idea
here Cyril has started some musings in this area ,and apparently the results are starting to show promise .

Magnetic Compression Study" by Cyril Smith
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Matt's first prototype was only four magnets on
the rotor and two coils. He used a stock motor with a timer to pulse it and
his output was more than double the input, plus it sped up under load.
That was the basic machine I replicated, and we realized that the
rewound razor scooter motor would take us to where we wanted to go.

My frustration is that this is absolutely the answer everyone on these
forums has been looking for, yet how many of us are actually building
these simple devices? It just kills me.


Dave

Wow that's right I almost forget that. This encourages me when I think
of how simple that experiment was. Let us remember the starting point
of one another's hard work.

You must remember that 1000's never speak and some are finding this
message just now and repeating the very same thing. If no one talks the
old messages will often lay dormant and people will begin to ignore the
data thinking is must have been superseded or irrelevant.

That is just the way it is, the squeaky wheel always gets the grease.

Your entry has made me realize that my 20 pole rotor could offer
an increase about the early findings. Since we have the easy build
prime mover modified scooter motor we have the advantage over those
experiments that lead to it.

As you have stated before many variables enter into the math. Such as
the core material data. The reason Thane used Permalloy instead
of Ferite is not because one has a different content than the other. The
big reason is vibration although when you think about the film sheeting
(as expensive as it is) being cut into perfectly formed shapes to match
the geometry of a rotor we might laminate 2 or more perm numbers into the
same core. So this add flexibility to alter core effects. But that is for
another day.

All we need is the Mod Motor to start and people who know their batteries
will be shocked at the new revelation when the special motor runs between
positive terminals for free.

I have the parts to make the treadmill motor do that very same thing, we
will see. Now these patents you have quoted and men who lived in the
early 1900's have shown that something special happens when sparking
brushes made of graphite switch coils very abruptly.

We have our foot in the door. Let's proceed. You know me I can ramble
on for long periods at times exploring my need to experiment to get those
answers I have always wanted. Just thinking out loud. Some one could
try the bucking coils or maybe you already have.

It's good to see you back strong.
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Dave
Investigating the proper core material for replications would be a good idea
here Cyril has started some musings in this area ,and apparently the results are starting to show promise .

Magnetic Compression Study" by Cyril Smith
see also here
The Musings of Smudge [Cyril Smith

respectfully

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Hey Chet

how the hell are ya? I am an open door for your posted info.
And to anyone else, especially those who can verify any of this by
personal experiment as some of our fearless leaders have. Thanks Guys. I'll always be there to give you a good rap on the back for all of your
blood sweat and tears.

That is where we all thrive. I guess it's my turn now.
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Investigating the best coil for a generator is exactly what we need about a hundred people working on so that each person builds one coil instead of one person (ME) having to build a hundred. LOL. I have several different coils I know will speed up under load and give me both voltage and amps output, but that doesn't mean they are the BEST coil possible.

Right now I am in the process of building a smaller machine, just so I have one I can do some testing of coils on. I have finally come up with a design that makes the switching out of coils far easier.


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Always looking to add to the "collective" understanding...
@Dave
I suppose the best path towards one hundred replications ,is one very clear
and well explained experiment which shows an anomaly which science has no explanation for ?

focusing in on the place where energy could be interring a system and making it repeatable on anyone's bench ... I believe this is the purpose of Smudges Musings and his ultimate goal, [ as well as the open source engineers who assist him.



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I found a boost converter that does not seem to use large capacitors
If has a 96% conversion efficiency and this may not be enough.

It can be clearly seen that no large capacitors are required to operate
this board but I do not know what other obstacles are present for using
this board with the 3 battery gen.

The peak efficiency figure of 96% is reached at 40% of the circuits
maximum capacity. 250w X .4 = 100w ceiling

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-boost-converter-Constant-Current-Mobile-Power-supply-250W-10A-LED-Driver-/181940997254?hash=item2a5c874c86:g:ZlsAAOSwxN5WVAX J





Module name :250W boost constant current module


Module properties: non-isolated step-up module (BOOST)


Input voltage: DC8.5V-48V


Input current: 10A (MAX) exceeds 8A please enhance heat dissipation


Quiescent current: 10mA (12V liter 20V, the output voltage, the higher
the current will increase too quiet)


Output voltage: 10-50V continuously adjustable


Constant] range: 0.2-8A


Temperature: -40 to + 85 degrees (ambient temperature is too high, please enhance heat dissipation)


Operating frequency: 150KHz


Conversion efficiency: up to 96%


Overcurrent protection: There


Input reverse polarity protection: Yes,


Installation: 4 3mm screw holes


Connection method: Connection Output


Module size: Length 70mm width 36mm height 13mm


Single module: 50 g



Applications:


1, DIY a power supply, 12V can input and output can 12-50V adjustable.


2, the power supply for your electronic device, according to your
system can set the output voltage value.


3, as the car power supply for your laptop, PDA or a variety of digital
products supply.


4, DIY a mobile notebook power supply: 12V coupled with high-capacity
lithium battery pack, so you can go where light where books.


5, solar panel regulator.


6, to the battery, rechargeable lithium batteries.


7, driving high-power LED lights.
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I am interested in hall sensor for RPM detection, could you please post info wher to get it. Thanks to your info and encouragement I replicated Matts motor and getting same results as you. I posted it on the Basic Energy Device forum. I am presently finishing generator and would post results soon.
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Let me also add what I have been working on. I bought three tiny
hall switch circuits with amp built into the board all about the size of your
thumb. I am mounting a 3" ring off the hub so I may put a magnet on it.
It is important to get good readings for rpm's.

Handhelds are fine for some so bring a large supply of batteries, not me
I want it to run all of the time. Without that any research done is only
a pretty good guess. Got to set up things to be good accuracy. These
cheap-O meters drift 10-20 rpm's while your hand moves.

I'll be showing off coming up.
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Okay I want to share with you my slow progress but progress
never the less. This rotor has 24 cylindrical shaped neo 42's
press fitted to the sleeve and nut combination for saftey
as well as using this arrangement to adjust generator core
tolerances.

It is so heavy now after getting all 24 installed that it has become
impossible to mount it directly onto the modified scooter motor.

I have need of larger bearings for a bigger shaft.

I will take some pictures at a later time. The drawing shows my
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Here is my arbor/shaft for my high speed saw blade populated with
magnet fixtures and magnets. Any old thrown out Table-Saw hardware
fits the bill. Inexpensive, high precision.

The scooter motor can easily pull the rotor but for purposes of making
my setup live longer the 5/8" arbor is best. Now I can throw a rag joint
on between Matt's modified motor shaft and rotor shaft

SOME TESTING

I have found that the amp draw of 1.1amp-1.3amp that the
Matt mod motor is pulling using the 3 batteries offers a huge amount
of torque that is unaffected by additional magnet weight.

I have also put cores (Without coils) near the rotor magnets while
running and surprisingly the amp draw did not go up. Only one core
is what I used yet I still expected an amp increase. Nope.

Now I will change shafts and make some custom "C" core bobbins
with built in mounts, probably out of fiberglass board and resins so it
is thin, strong and can stand a small amount of heat without turning
to jello.

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Here are the parts I have at present. The rotor is done, the bearings
and tubing frame work as shown in this drawing. In progress.


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Still in the planning stages. Frames are going around the outside to fasten
shielding to as protection from possible flying magnets during high
RPM operation.

The base frame is overlaid with 1.5" of wood as will be the
bearing mount to ensure some degree of magnetic isolation between
the test stand and the motor/generator.

Gotta keep thinking it thru.











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Slight Update

In the past I had asked the question of how much current draw
increase will occur when loading a rotor conventionally verses loading
the same rotor with magnets with regenerative style non-conventional
coil.

The first step of course is to establish a baseline and in my case using
the Matt-Modified-Motor by itself at 12vdc the draw is 1 amp.

After running the modified motor for sometime all by it's lonesome, without
the addition of an added rotor for picking up extra energy, I can say that
the 3 battery recovery system works good to recirculate energy

I am using plain 20awg magnet wire in the modified motor so this
pulsed system should be good for a couple of amps without heating.


Today I got my bushings in the mail that allows me to connect the entire
drive train up from modified scooter motor to my flywheel magnet rotor.

As can be seen in the pictures above this small modified motor has it's
hands full turning that mass. The new reading is 2.5amp draw at 12-14vdc.

I have a tonne of mounting to perform in this next step and after that
the fun will begin. What should be done is that the motor and rotor
arrangement displayed on youtube showing the actual hands on effects
of introducing a variety of coil winds.

This is not to say that Thane or Dave should be doing more but that
someone else could add to the work already offered.

Naturally a true believer would show results that far exceed the data
available today coming from the college level student. That is is not
what we see. Many feel that the reason that good evidence is not
posted to support the premise that the extra energy exists is due to the
idea that most don't think it possible.

Once I am setup I will let you all know since the next phase will be time
spent investigating coil effects at many speeds. I do have some
advantages having listened to Turion (Dave) in the past and beyond that
I have learned the acceleration under a load possibilities from a
youtube user THANE HEINS

My device is replica of Matt Jones MODIFIED MOTOR and rotor with coils
by THANE HEINS. It is my desire as well as many others to combine
technologies.

According to Turion the coil winding search takes much time to find
a length of wire that works best with any given rotor at that RPM.

I agree, however in THANE HEINS video's we find much more than
trial and error to go on. The frequency, the number of magnets, the
RPM and the time constants are all available.

Either way you will see that a standard coil could be 21 ohms while
a regenerative acceleration coil be 200ohms. Coils can be made of
special wire as found in THANE HEINS patents where the tinning process
enhances the skin effect to collect other forms of energy.

Superconductor wire magnet wire type 2 although this is not needed
to experiment. Bifilar, trifilar series connected coils that could also
be altered in other ways to change the capacitance of the coil itself.



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