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Old 04-30-2016, 01:50 AM
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Reverse rotating barrel gear,

These reverse rotating barrel gears function really good; The gear in this video would spin the rotating anode in the same direction as the electrical "Plasma Vortex". The "Homopolar Disc" would actually need to spin counter rotationally due to the reverse direction of the magnetic field:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8dRHC4XlbI
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Old 04-30-2016, 02:48 PM
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Counter rotating homopolar.

This Homopolar mimics the action of the "Reverse Rotating Barrel Gear":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk

Two copper discs on either side of the Axial polarized ring magnet could drive a rotating "Plasma Vortex" anode counter rotationally to the field powered disc.
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Bucking Fields Homopolar Twin.

Attaching two axial ring magnets at opposite poles so the fields are "Bucking"; Would allow two copper discs to turn in opposition but in "Negative Reverse synchronicity", so they can be connected to one common axle and spin the same way. There would be a center mono-pole and two disimilar center poles, one to each side, inside the hollow core of the ring magnets.

The plasma field could either be grounded to the "Central Mono-Pole" for a Clockwise spin or to the two opposite side poles simultaineously, for a Counter Clockwise rotation of the magnetic field. This arc would come from the single or twin rotating anodes off the internal axle.

The current would flow into each copper disk individually through two commutators, and begin to power the twin disc axle. Each commutator current would be grounded to the magnets, and travel by electric arc, generating "Lorentz Spin". The ground position would control the direction of the "Plasma Vortex's" counter rotating magnetic drive field. The homopolar disks would be powered by the incomming current and the rotating magnetic field produced by the "Plasma Vortex" providing "Same Direction Axle torque"; Depending on the choice of ground field polarity! All the rotating magnetic field movement would be one rotational direction.
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Old 05-02-2016, 03:26 PM
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Buckink Ring Fields.

A twin disc bucking filed Homopolar motor would involve a negative electrode on one disc and a positive on the other with a direct short through the axle.

The "Plasma Vortex" boaster would involve connecting the negative disc directly to the ground magnet by a brush, and generating the "Plasma Arc" through the positive disc rotating axle anode!

This would put the Homopolar short circuit to work, generating an extra power source for the rotaing disc axle.

The axle would need to be connected through the center by a high-dielectric ceramic rod. A brush on the negative side and a discharge point on the positive other.
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Old 05-02-2016, 10:02 PM
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Twin homopolar.

Homopolar by "Lumen": Here we see how reversed magnet polarity and same direction current produce uni-directional rotation.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:59 AM
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Homopolar bucking poles.

Look at the bucking faces of the ring magnets, on the left below, coupled with the uni-directional rotation: A thick iron ring in the center, would attract both opposite poles from each end. We can see how passing current through the axle gets the two magnets, with the like faces attached, to travel in the same rotational direction! On the right is the traditional Homopolar.
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after reading all your posts (not watching the videos)
have you ever see the idea that one connection on the outside of a homopolar generator
one connection point will cause eddy currents that will slow down the disk when you start pulling current out of it,
but if you have many points on the outside connected, it makes things more symmetrical and you get less eddy currents to slow the disk down
I think it was some tesla write up I saw that suggested an odd number of connection points evenly spaced, and it should be more than 3 points, either that or it was someone talking about what he got from tesla...
if you think about things like the sun, they will have continuous connection points in the plasma, so trying to simulate that with only one connection point might miss the required setup,
you may have already thought of this (as it is hard for me to see videos)
but thought I would put the idea out there as I did not see you mention it
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Old 05-06-2016, 12:37 PM
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after reading all your posts (not watching the videos)
have you ever see the idea that one connection on the outside of a homopolar generator
one connection point will cause eddy currents that will slow down the disk when you start pulling current out of it,
but if you have many points on the outside connected, it makes things more symmetrical and you get less eddy currents to slow the disk down
I think it was some tesla write up I saw that suggested an odd number of connection points evenly spaced, and it should be more than 3 points, either that or it was someone talking about what he got from tesla...
if you think about things like the sun, they will have continuous connection points in the plasma, so trying to simulate that with only one connection point might miss the required setup,
you may have already thought of this (as it is hard for me to see videos)
but thought I would put the idea out there as I did not see you mention it
@spacecase0,

The mercury contacts Bruce DePalma used in his N-Machine had the mercury in a bath at the base, and the copper ring spun the mercury trough a channel surrounding the disk providing 360 degrees of contact. This validates your theory.

A positive current contacting the perimeter of a "N" field Disk will produce clockwise rotation, shorting the current through the axle. What if we short the current through the ring magnets instead, and generate a "Plasma Vortex"?

I think the arc would ground between the two like attached poles to spin the copper rotor the right way. Good spot for an asbestos gasket.

The circuit to this twin copper disk, rotating anode rotor consists of: Two positive (sets) of at least 3 commutators for each disk. A rotating "Tungston Ring" anode, positioned in the center of the axle and the magnets as the negative ground!
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Old 05-07-2016, 03:03 AM
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I am having a hard time visualizing that setup,
will try again tomorrow when I am more rested

I found this a while ago,
http://jetp.ac.ru/cgi-bin/dn/e_057_02_0251.pdf
thought you might like it
I like it's idea of an infinite magnetic field with a finite current
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Old 05-07-2016, 11:32 AM
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I am having a hard time visualizing that setup,
will try again tomorrow when I am more rested

I found this a while ago,
http://jetp.ac.ru/cgi-bin/dn/e_057_02_0251.pdf
thought you might like it
I like it's idea of an infinite magnetic field with a finite current
@spacecase0,

Two ring magnets coupled S-S. A center axle with copper disks on each end, so they look like two thumb tacks facing each other with the pins attached on the ends. A "Tungston Ring" is positioned in the center of the axle, and this "Arc's" against an asbestos gasket sandwiched between the magnet faces. Positive current runs through the commutators into the discs from each end, powering the disks as Homopolar motors. The grounded magnets generate a "Plasma Vortex" from the rotating "Tungston" ring anode, "Arc" and the counter rotating magnetic field helps boost the power to drive the disk axle.
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I think I get it now,
going to be running it in a low air pressure environment with a specific gas ?
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vacuum.

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I think I get it now,
going to be running it in a low air pressure environment with a specific gas ?
A couple of vacuum pressure bearings would make that achievable.
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ok, so are you going to build it ?

an alternative to using vacuum bearings is to use magnetic coupling (like they do for magnetic stirrers ) through your vacuum chamber
might cost less to do and be faster to build
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ok, so are you going to build it ?

an alternative to using vacuum bearings is to use magnetic coupling (like they do for magnetic stirrers ) through your vacuum chamber
might cost less to do and be faster to build
@spacecase0,

The problem the magnetic coupling creates is the disruption of current through the axle. The rotating anode would need a seperate internal power connection with the detached bearings. Still a pretty good idea, not counting the drag.

We need someone to test the strength of the "Plasma Vortex" counter rotating magnetic field. Just twirling a piece of aluminum foil positioned in adjacency to the "Vortex" would act as a strong proof of concept.

I may need to buy and disassemble a used microwave for the magnetron ring magnets.
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Old 05-16-2016, 02:38 PM
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pyrolytic levitator.

How would a levitating "Neo Ring Magnet" behave over the graphite if you ran the Homopolar current from a plasma arc anode in the center to the side grounded ring magnet like in the video?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfEW46qUH-0

The pyrolytic graphite would resist the motion of the "counter rotating magnetic field" and induce motion in the ring magnet. This would not be a homopolar motor but the birth of the "Plasma Vortex" motor. This may look trivial at first glance, but it constitutes an enormous difference!
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Faraday motor.

Dangling a copper wire over a horizontal ring magnet "Plasma Vortex" from a string should cause it to twirl. Anyone care to volunteer to try this test?
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Dangling a copper wire over a horizontal ring magnet "Plasma Vortex" from a string should cause it to twirl. Anyone care to volunteer to try this test?
can I float the magnet on a pool of mercury as the plasma ?
because I could set that up, run the test, and get it on youtube by the end of the day
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:48 AM
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Mercury motor.

@spacecase0,

Look how the direction of the "Mercury" flow's effected by the current polarity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V61ENFlR0S4

A "Mercury Motor" might work very well if a ring was filled with a pool and swirled in the ring magnet hole, by grounding the magnet and centering an anode electrode. The same way the "plasma vortex" would behave!

This "Vortex Mercury Motor" test would be on the cutting edge, and act as substantial proof of concept authentication for science.
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