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Old 02-19-2016, 05:17 AM
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Don't attempt this radiant energy experiment.

For the sake of your own health that of others around you, please do not attempt to replicate the experiment where Eric Dollard collects radiant energy from a light bulb powered by a Tesla coil.
Its an impressive experiment, but very dangerous.

Please see this short video to find out why.

https://youtu.be/5gcwvPcEi2k
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For the sake of your own health that of others around you, please do not attempt to replicate the experiment where Eric Dollard collects radiant energy from a light bulb powered by a Tesla coil.
Its an impressive experiment, but very dangerous.

Please see this short video to find out why.

https://youtu.be/5gcwvPcEi2k
Thanks hazmat rules are extremely important for health and safety.
It should be the "why" that should reinforce safety disciplines but
the direct method DO NOT is really misunderstood, it is a good thing.

Go Beyound JJ thompson for understanding:
Since gravity waves are proven fact look at the balance point inside capacitor
see what can be learned with miliken drop experiment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnO3mkCLYsI

With the right safety setup and procedures and care the experiment is
tolerable which falls into category of ionization dielectric xrays and particles
being studied in very precise controlled conditions. Much of the subject of
resonance and transmutation is just not talked about because
hacker jack experimenters insist on doing nuclear boy scout projects.

I don't need to polarize to be motivated to experiment but safety
comes first, school became very expensive ticket so should you stop ?
Go beyond but be careful. Believe the gieger counter.
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Theory and False Theory

I hope you are able to absorb and understand what these two posts are saying. I've been on this forum for close to 5 years and just about every point in these videos has been both supported and contradicted. In other words, some people are on one side and some are on another side. And, take it at face value, there are more than two sides or positions. You will be entertained when you read all sides of a thing, but a lot of these views are incompatible. They cannot all be true. Some are right and some are wrong. Be careful whom you put your faith and trust in because you could be entirely deceived. I am skeptical, but I think free energy is possible. I am simply waiting for experimental proof that I can replicate at a reasonable cost. Don't post links for my benefit. I've seen them "all" already. Of course, it is impossible for me to say I have seen them all, but I have seen enough. The inexpensive experiments have all turned out to be useless or obvious hoaxes. Still, if you don't understand your opposition's point of view, how can you present a reasonable objection? You can't. You are wasting your time and everybody else that has to read it.

Bottom line? Make it an enjoyable journey and think deeply before you open your position to ridicule.
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Old 02-20-2016, 12:21 AM
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Thanks hazmat rules are extremely important for health and safety.
It should be the "why" that should reinforce safety disciplines but
the direct method DO NOT is really misunderstood, it is a good thing.

Go Beyound JJ thompson for understanding:
Since gravity waves are proven fact look at the balance point inside capacitor
see what can be learned with miliken drop experiment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnO3mkCLYsI

With the right safety setup and procedures and care the experiment is
tolerable which falls into category of ionization dielectric xrays and particles
being studied in very precise controlled conditions. Much of the subject of
resonance and transmutation is just not talked about because
hacker jack experimenters insist on doing nuclear boy scout projects.

I don't need to polarize to be motivated to experiment but safety
comes first, school became very expensive ticket so should you stop ?
Go beyond but be careful. Believe the gieger counter.
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I hope you are able to absorb and understand what these two posts are saying. I've been on this forum for close to 5 years and just about every point in these videos has been both supported and contradicted. In other words, some people are on one side and some are on another side. And, take it at face value, there are more than two sides or positions. You will be entertained when you read all sides of a thing, but a lot of these views are incompatible. They cannot all be true. Some are right and some are wrong. Be careful whom you put your faith and trust in because you could be entirely deceived. I am skeptical, but I think free energy is possible. I am simply waiting for experimental proof that I can replicate at a reasonable cost. Don't post links for my benefit. I've seen them "all" already. Of course, it is impossible for me to say I have seen them all, but I have seen enough. The inexpensive experiments have all turned out to be useless or obvious hoaxes. Still, if you don't understand your opposition's point of view, how can you present a reasonable objection? You can't. You are wasting your time and everybody else that has to read it.

Bottom line? Make it an enjoyable journey and think deeply before you open your position to ridicule.
The animation is milliken experiment with respect to gravity
Wayne's insertion shows lack of reading compreshension.
An assalt on my charecter imputing wrong motives.
Disrespect for my entire life's work in alternative energy.

Wayne make your tin foil hat position clear but don't imply I am an agent of
disinformation or the opposition or wasting others time.
A better place for you is instructables.
You are in the hot seat for not comprehending and making the above claims.
The finite adjustment in the milliken is very important and the concept
is for those who can use it, no time for extremist arguments.

I'm done ignoring Wayne's trouble maker comments.
His discrediting individuals is obvious and intent very questionable.
who cares Jack we need people who want to Go Beyond who
can comprehend concepts and do things safely.
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For the sake of your own health that of others around you, please do not attempt to replicate the experiment where Eric Dollard collects radiant energy from a light bulb powered by a Tesla coil.
Its an impressive experiment, but very dangerous.

Please see this short video to find out why.

https://youtu.be/5gcwvPcEi2k
Excellent video. Many thanks. It pretty much confirms my conclusions about what radiant energy is after four years of research. Tesla often spoke of harnessing nature's power to do work so the next logical step is to move from artificial man made radiant energy to harnessing the natural production of radiant energy which is radioactive materials.

What initially took me down this road were the stories about the 1931 Pierce Arrow electric car Nikola Tesla produced that could power a home when not in use as a vehicle. After all that research I believe the Pierce Arrow used a nuclear battery somewhat like those in use today to power space probes like the Voyager spacecraft that were launched back in the 70's that are still functioning and sending back data today. They are far beyond any possible use of solar panels to obtain their power much less 1970's solar panel use.

The attached document is a shortened summary of my four years of research. It points out the need to understand the science of the day to understand what Tesla was working toward at the time.

You may find some of it useful.
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I enjoyed reading your summary. You did a wonderful job of summarizing your extensive research. Thanks for sharing!
The current nuclear batteries are extremely inefficient. Have you found any sound evidence from the past on how radioactivity of weak sources can be dramatically increased? I have seen patents where a simple capacitor is made in vacuum with Po210. Although many KV are generated, the coulumbs from the Po are far too low to charge the plates rapidly enough for the sort of power we would need.
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So this experiment was dangerous?




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Great work, thx1138! But please check and double check your sources. Especially when you see the name G. Vassilatos. I have reasons to believe that the Pierce Arrow story is fabricated, and probably by this man.

I have developed a "Tesla ray detector" (TRD) by using a green tritium light which is being monitored by a photo-transistor.
Everything is of course shielded so no other light can reach the photo-transistor.
The idea was that, according to Tesla, these rays induce radioactive decay, so it may increase the rate of decay in tritium and thus the tube might produce a little more light when exposed to these rays.
The detector clearly responds when the Tesla-coil powers the vacuum tube, but unfortunately, if I remove the vacuum tube the detector responds in much the same way.
So it appears as if my coil produces some effect in my TRD.
there could be a direct effect on the photo-transistor ?
or some rays that illuminate the fluorescent coating of the tritium light ?
or, as Tesla said, the tritium decay is sped up a bit ?

I'm afraid I will not heed Pomodoro's well meant advice.
Too many interesting things to be found.


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Old 02-21-2016, 12:23 PM
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The current nuclear batteries are extremely inefficient.
The ones in use in the space probes are Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators (RTG) and it is that conversion of heat to electricity via the Seebeck Effect that is inefficient part - typically <10%. But the space probes actually need the heat for their circuits so it's an acceptable trade off in that case.

There have been other attempts to increase the efficiency through direct conversion but nothing I've seen so far produces what we would need to power a home economically enough to be feasible.
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Have you found any sound evidence from the past on how radioactivity of weak sources can be dramatically increased?
There was some talk about a Thorium plasma device that used the thorium to power a laser (or maser?) to heat water to spin a turbine but as far as I know it's not come to anything as yet.

I've seen articles about Thorium fluoride increasing the energy density of the Thorium but that gets into industrial scale devices.

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I have seen patents where a simple capacitor is made in vacuum with Po210. Although many KV are generated, the coulumbs from the Po are far too low to charge the plates rapidly enough for the sort of power we would need.
The USSR used RTG's to power lighthouses around the Arctic circle that are in darkness for extended periods and inaccessible to a large degree that ran for decades but I don't have any idea how much power that required for each lighthouse.

There are quite a few methods of direct conversion being researched but most of the ones I've seen are about power for micro scale electronics projects.

Energy density is the real problem with almost all alternative energy projects that attempt to extract energy from the environment whether it is telluric, magnetic, atmospheric, cosmic rays, etc. As the energy density goes down the scale of the project must go up to accumulate usable quantities of power.

It appears, however, that Lockheed Martin may be on to something that can be built as small as a tractor trailer trailer (40' float?) that could power "a small city". It's supposed to be demonstrable next year.
Compact Fusion

That doesn't do us much good, though.

I built a radiant energy collector as outlined in Tesla's original patent which sort of worked, the power being minuscule but present none the less. I've been considering coating the insulated elevated plate with some form of very low level radioactive material like pitchblende to see if it increased the output but haven't done that yet.

Please post here anything you find. I'm still interested in this avenue but into other projects at the moment.
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Great work, thx1138! But please check and double check your sources. Especially when you see the name G. Vassilatos. I have reasons to believe that the Pierce Arrow story is fabricated, and probably by this man.
I'm with you 100% on the veracity of Vassilatos' work. I don't use him for a source other than the mis-directions he sends people off into that can be explained with conventional thinking once the history of discovery is understood. He states things as fact that can't be known unless he was actually there and they happened before he was born. That and the fact that he has absolutely no references make his work, in my eyes, pure fiction.

If I remember correctly the Tesla Pierce Arrow story was around long before Vassilatos' work. Maybe the 1950's or 60's. That said, the info is still dubious because Peter Salvo, who was supposedly the source of the info, wasn't all that convincing either.

Arthur Matthews, Tesla's last assistant, referenced an electric car by Tesla but he is not very believable either.

Still, most myths have a grain of truth in them somewhere.
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What initially took me down this road were the stories about the 1931 Pierce Arrow electric car Nikola Tesla produced that could power a home when not in use as a vehicle. After all that research I believe the Pierce Arrow used a nuclear battery somewhat like those in use today to power space probes like the Voyager spacecraft that were launched back in the 70's that are still functioning and sending back data today. They are far beyond any possible use of solar panels to obtain their power much less 1970's solar panel use.
All I have to say about the Xray accusations is maybe someone should ask Dollard before accusing. That would be the scholarly and correct thing to do. Or maybe you could just proof some film or an exposure badge or something to prove it.

Not to stray on the subject to far but it was brought up, why did the car have to have a nuclear battery?

Apply Occam's razor, "the simplest explanation is usually the correct one" to that story and it does not hold up. A Nuclear battery anyway. When did he ever build a nuclear battery or something to the like before.

A simple yet elegant answer to the cars power source is, Tesla was broadcasting the energy to run the car at a remote location the black box with big antenna was broadcasting radio location. He knew how to broadcast energy and even focus and aim it through the earth. This was the entire course of research leading up to his demise as a builder.

So ask again Why was there a nuclear battery? How does this result come into play when there are 3 articles discussing the car and account of the nephew when none of them have any technical premise to them.
I have heard so many explanations for what was under the hood and I have been laughed at for asking the same question of everyone about all the over complicated stories around that and still no one can give an answer that fits Occam's razor,given what we know he did.

Just curious, not wanting to have fight or anything.

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...given what we know he did.
That's the real problem. We don't really know anything about the car. We've got 2nd and 3rd and 4th had reports from reportedly unreliable sources.

I've heard the theory about transmitted energy. Here's my problem with that: all of his transmission patents have earth grounds. How do you earth ground a moving vehicle? We could speculate about "virtual" grounds but it's still speculation. Is there any proof that he had a functional power transmission system other than in Colorado Springs? I've seen the rumors of a station built in Canada but no photographs or legal documents proving it existed. I think most of that story came from Matthews as well. It seems to me that there would be photographs of any working power transmission system in Canada had it been built because Tesla surely would have used the occasion to promote the system. And how would the transmitter track a moving car? It could be done through his teleautomatics I suppose but that again adds more complexity. As far as I know his transmission system relied on nodes at fixed locations but I guess the frequency could be changed to to move the nodes along with the car but, again, more complexity.

In fact all of the info on the car, even the nuclear battery, is just speculation based on unreliable reports from Salvo and Matthews.

But why was Tesla interested in the price of radium around the same time frame as the 1931 Pierce Arrow story? That interest in radium is documented in magazine articles. IMO, the antenna was a red herring intentionally added to the car, if it existed, to misdirect the inquisitive. It's said he was very secretive about the car but again it's speculation.

Thinking about the box with vacuum tubes reportedly used in the car also reminds me of Dr. T. Henry Moray's device in that it has been said Moray used valves (vacuum tubes) with radioactive materials inside them. But that's just more speculation.

That leads back to pomodoro's question in an earlier post, "Have you found any sound evidence from the past on how radioactivity of weak sources can be dramatically increased?" I didn't think of that in my earlier post although I don't know if one could call that "sound evidence".
The Sea of Energy - T. Henry Moray

We have to keep in mind that all of this happened before radioactive materials were controlled by governments so although novel at the time, they wouldn't come under the scrutiny they would today.

Thinking of Occam's razor, which would be simpler in the 1930's, the self contained nuclear battery or the vehicle tracking, node moving power transmitter?

But in the end it's still all speculation until someone builds and documents it.
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Incredible discussion !
OK go easy on Dollard, his latest video he is under 1 watt. Because wayne has a point
that some transforms are soft xray but handled as an exception rather than conspiracy.
Some of you are batting 70 -80 % that is excellant so lets not beat somebody
for some xray sins of 1973 because the problem is big we are doing the best we can.

Along with the THX comment the NASA isotopic vanadium and cesium diodes.
Lets catagorize these as regulatory run labs, What is the chance of portable thorium
fusion getting DOE funding ? What is the right way to appeal to get some of those
into regulatory like joint desaliationr program ?

If you can say something nice about Tom Bearden I don't like that
anyone getting bad rap, I think he is a good guy and it's disclosure issues
the same marginalizing when some people just cannot go there?

Take your time keep the focus. Tnx
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Call it what you like ,
A coil induced by a magnetic field that is in motion, changes every micro second , even faster than that, the speed of light I suppose.
I read and re-read Tesla over and over , Tesla found the secret speed ,I believe he kept that to himself , He gave hints , We have to figure it out.
I believe it is in the collapsing field, It causes no drag on the generator ,if timed right.
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Great work, thx1138! But please check and double check your sources. Especially when you see the name G. Vassilatos. I have reasons to believe that the Pierce Arrow story is fabricated, and probably by this man.

I have developed a "Tesla ray detector" (TRD) by using a green tritium light which is being monitored by a photo-transistor.
Everything is of course shielded so no other light can reach the photo-transistor.
The idea was that, according to Tesla, these rays induce radioactive decay, so it may increase the rate of decay in tritium and thus the tube might produce a little more light when exposed to these rays.
The detector clearly responds when the Tesla-coil powers the vacuum tube, but unfortunately, if I remove the vacuum tube the detector responds in much the same way.
So it appears as if my coil produces some effect in my TRD.
there could be a direct effect on the photo-transistor ?
or some rays that illuminate the fluorescent coating of the tritium light ?
or, as Tesla said, the tritium decay is sped up a bit ?

I'm afraid I will not heed Pomodoro's well meant advice.
Too many interesting things to be found.


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Mmm, I started out on that post because I wanted to say something. Then in the excitement of writing I forgot what I wanted to say.... And now I remember again....

There is (is there) a chance that, just like my TRD a geigen müller tube responds to a number of different things.
A geigen müller tube is basically a vacuum tube in which a gas gets excited by high energy radiation. But we know that a luminous tube lights up in the vicinity of a Tesla coil because the low pressure gas inside gets excited. That looks very similar to me, so could it be that a geigen müller tube also responds in the vicinity of a Tesla coil?

The experiment shown in the video at 1:45 (or thereabout) does actually indicate that this may not be the case. Alpha radiation will probably not reach the tube over that distance, beta radiation would have been blocked by the aluminium, so that leaves EM radiation or particle radiation (of a not yet recognized type).
EM radiation comes in 3 types of which only 1 (transverse EM radiation) is recognized. Tesla mentions particles of some type that travel faster than light, which are obviously also not recognized. So this alone gives you 3 alternatives besides the possibly dangerous TEM radiation.

So, if these radiations are TEM, could these be harmful?
Looking up the BD10A Tesla coil, we learn that it produces 10,000 to 50,000 V @ 500 kHz.
That is less than 1/3 of the voltage in a dentist x-ray machine (150 KV).
Since the energy of the radiation is reason for it being harmful to living tissue and this energy depends on the voltage, I would think that the experiment in this video does not pose any threat to anyone. Or at least not through TEM radiation.

In my experiment with Tesla's single terminal vacuum tube (high vacuum, described in his patents 685,957 and 685,958) at roughly 1.2 MV I have until now not found much evidence of TEM radiation. There could be some, but certainly not much.

I am not saying that everyone should now ignore pomodoro's advice. One should always use as much common sense as one has available, and in may cases more.


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Mmm, I started out on that post because I wanted to say something. Then in the excitement of writing I forgot what I wanted to say.... And now I remember again....

There is (is there) a chance that, just like my TRD a geigen müller tube responds to a number of different things.
A geigen müller tube is basically a vacuum tube in which a gas gets excited by high energy radiation. But we know that a luminous tube lights up in the vicinity of a Tesla coil because the low pressure gas inside gets excited. That looks very similar to me, so could it be that a geigen müller tube also responds in the vicinity of a Tesla coil?

The experiment shown in the video at 1:45 (or thereabout) does actually indicate that this may not be the case. Alpha radiation will probably not reach the tube over that distance, beta radiation would have been blocked by the aluminium, so that leaves EM radiation or particle radiation (of a not yet recognized type).
EM radiation comes in 3 types of which only 1 (transverse EM radiation) is recognized. Tesla mentions particles of some type that travel faster than light, which are obviously also not recognized. So this alone gives you 3 alternatives besides the possibly dangerous TEM radiation.

So, if these radiations are TEM, could these be harmful?
Looking up the BD10A Tesla coil, we learn that it produces 10,000 to 50,000 V @ 500 kHz.
That is less than 1/3 of the voltage in a dentist x-ray machine (150 KV).
Since the energy of the radiation is reason for it being harmful to living tissue and this energy depends on the voltage, I would think that the experiment in this video does not pose any threat to anyone. Or at least not through TEM radiation.

In my experiment with Tesla's single terminal vacuum tube (high vacuum, described in his patents 685,957 and 685,958) at roughly 1.2 MV I have until now not found much evidence of TEM radiation. There could be some, but certainly not much.

I am not saying that everyone should now ignore pomodoro's advice. One should always use as much common sense as one has available, and in may cases more.


Ernst.

I agree here entirely Ernst.

Yes, it is true. RF can send a Geiger counter mad. I know that for a fact.
A friend of mine experienced this first-hand. He was experimenting with Blacklight devices and found his Geiger counter went crazy around RF. It is a design flaw around many common Geiger counter circuits.

My friend (An electronics guru) re-designed and produced a Geiger counter specifically for use around RF fields where the RF would not interfere or produce a false positive with RF. I believe he even has these as kits for sale or the boards at least.

Also the video does not give a value of the X-Ray radiation reading that is being claimed. What is the count? What level?

By the way I am a current holder: “License to Use or Handle Radioactive Substances”; “Licence to Operate An Ionising Radiation Apparatus” and also a Radiation Safety Officer.

So I'd have no issues reproducing this experiment.
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Here is my latest video and last test of the setup. In this video Pb only is shown to block the rays.

I hope many of you will replicate this cheap experiment, especially if you already have a quality Geiger counter.

For replicating please use a new 'vintage' bulb. High vacuum electron tubes are useless as a small amount of residual gas is required. This is extremely important. You must use the vacuum bulbs exclusively.

The long ones as Dollard and I both used are best. The prettier bulbous ones were not as strong.

The Geiger counter needs to be of good quality with all metal construction and not some of the digital ebay toys. You may need to put the plastic ones in a metal box.

Be sure to obtain a strong pulling affect on the foil and keep the KVs at maximum.

Keep Geiger close enough for a good reading from the vintage bulb but with absolutely no signal when discharging through any type of normal fluoro or incandescent bulb. You should find that sparking the wire to the foil will also give no signal.

The video is intended to show that Xrays are present. A proper licensed Xray authority should be contacted for definitive readings.





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Another good video. Thanks.

If I remember correctly, some of the Bedini builds used thoriated (Thorium treated) welding rods as coil cores. It might be advisable to see if they are putting out any radiation while running.
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Would these do, for the experiment that we should not do?

I should have asked before I ordered them, but they make a nice ornament if I can not use them .

I will also try the Tesla design tube (single aluminium half spherical electrode) at low pressures instead of high vacuum. Funny actually, that this thread was opened just when I started on my vacuum tube tests.

If you can get lead such as they use for roofs (sheets of 1 mm thick), then you can test how many sheets you need to stop the radiation, or to reduce it to half the original strength. That will give you some information on the energy of these rays.

I think your conclusions, based on the current understanding, are quite good. There is just one strange thing about this experiment and its results.
Let's say that the filament is at a 50KV level compared to the outside of the bulb. That means that electrons can reach a maximum energy of 50 KeV. That is not much.
In a röntgen tube electrons with energies of 150+ KeV are thrown on a high density target (often tungsten), so to slow them down as quickly as possible producing the most "bremsstrahlung". Not only is the energy less in your case, also the target (glass) has a much lower density.
If "the current understanding" is correct you can at best produce some very soft x-rays, maybe even just outside the UV-range. I'll have to read up on how to calculate this because this is all too long ago for me...

It will take some time before I get the tubes, but I can evacuate a Tesla tube to a few microns and see what it does.

Thanks for sharing the "forbidden experiment" . Once I have results worth mentioning, I'll post a video.


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I've seen the rumors of a station built in Canada but no photographs or legal documents proving it existed. I think most of that story came from Matthews as well.
The Tower was built in Ste Flavie if memory serves me well and my partner visited the site and like in Long Island, only the cement slab remains.

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Ernst those bulbs will all give some Xrays. I have tested the round one and
although less powerful it still gave a reading. The only other one I have tried is the long one, which was the best out of the two. It could also have to do with the degree of vacuum in them.
Which shape did you get?

In my powder Xray diffractometer I use a maximum of 35KV. Below 20KV I don't get enough Xrays, so 50kV should be enough.

You can also try powering the bulb with mains and putting the tesla on the glass bulb, perhaps with an Al foil cap. I'd assume you need a high current tesla coil to keep the 50kV across the bulb then as the resistance in the tube would be quite low , but who knows? I won't try it as I've been exposed enough.



As a final test to remove all doubts I irradiated a radiation badge for 45 seconds two feet away from the tube, which would be about the dosage I copped.

I will know in a week or two what those results are.

and happy replicating.
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Here some pics taken during the evacuation of the Tesla tube.
Quite decorative.
The coil produces about 10 KV at 374 KHz, only 1/5 of the BD10A coil, and at none of these stages I can detect x-rays, and neither is aluminium foil attracted (maybe just a little bit when the "milky white light" appears)

I do not have a 50 KV coil handy here...

With a high vacuum tube there is an eerie pale blue-greenish light which is difficult to photograph, a small attraction to the alu-foil and no definite signs of x-rays (my GM counter is in the post).


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Hi Ernst, you need to reach the stage where no streamers are visible. Forget any condition where sparks,arcs or glow discharges occur.

The device I have is essentially a HF spark tester, used to determine how much vacuum is present in a glass structure.

The green fluorescence on the glass is a good indication. Electrons are slamming against the glass causing it to fluoresce green.

Unfortunately, the 10kV is much too low for any descent Xrays.

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Hi thx1138,

The Tower was built in Ste Flavie if memory serves me well and my partner visited the site and like in Long Island, only the cement slab remains.

Take care,

Michel
The story as I heard it is that during a holiday to Canada, Tesla built this second Wardenclyffe.
First, knowing Tesla's passion for completing this project, it strikes me as unbelievable that Tesla makes no mention of this anywhere. Nor does he seem to try to provide his proof through the second tower.
Second, the phrase "during a holiday" sounds as if during a rainy Saturday afternoon he didn't have anything to do and so he build a second Wardenclyffe tower. Is that believable to anyone?
Third, there is no historical evidence (newspapers etc.). (if there is, please provide a link! I would be very interested!)
Think of how much time would be involved and how many people. And think of articles like this one. Think of the money involved, where did he get that? why didn't he use it to complete the first tower?

The cement slab your partner saw could be from anything....

The story appears very unlikely to me.....
Make that "extremely unlikely".

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The story as I heard it is that during a holiday to Canada, Tesla built this second Wardenclyffe.
First, knowing Tesla's passion for completing this project, it strikes me as unbelievable that Tesla makes no mention of this anywhere. Nor does he seem to try to provide his proof through the second tower.
Second, the phrase "during a holiday" sounds as if during a rainy Saturday afternoon he didn't have anything to do and so he build a second Wardenclyffe tower. Is that believable to anyone?
Third, there is no historical evidence (newspapers etc.). (if there is, please provide a link! I would be very interested!)
Think of how much time would be involved and how many people. And think of articles like this one. Think of the money involved, where did he get that? why didn't he use it to complete the first tower?

The cement slab your partner saw could be from anything....

The story appears very unlikely to me.....
Make that "extremely unlikely".

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I think the conjecture about the Canadian Wardenclyffe-like transmitter probably comes from Arthur Matthews who has no credibility.

I was interested about what he said about Tesla's car in the following article but his statements just don't make sense. One statement is "Another one of his great inventions was the electric car. He built the first one in 1897 and he drove from New York City to Buffalo, New York and it had an average speed of 94 miles an hour."

First the roads of the day wouldn't allow that kind of speed and everything else I've read about it said it was a 1931 Pierce Arrow which would have been rather hard to come by in 1897. I don't think anyone would want to do 94 MPH in any of the 1897 automobiles.
1897 automobiles

And what Matthews states about the Canadian Wardenclyffe-like installation has the same tone of just whipping one together. And there's no explanation of the power source. We have to remember that Wardenclyffe used a steam powered generator as the source of the power to transmit.

The first part at the following link is Matthews talking about he and Tesla building a transmitter in Canada.
Arthur Mathews about Tesla

THE WALL OF LIGHT - NIKOLA TESLA AND THE VENUSIAN SPACE SHIP

Google search "arthur matthews nikola tesla"

It looks like Arthur Matthews might have been the first scammer to make a buck off Nikola Tesla's name.
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I have looked into this Arthur and my conclusion is that he is a joke.
Even more so than G. Vassilatos.

Arthur mentions:
a colour tv, a voice operated typewriter, a translator device for any language....
After reading that, the tears in my eyes prevented me from reading more of his BS.

Tears of laughter, tears of pain, I don't know, my mind went blank.


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Ernst ,

I have myself done this experiment and no Tesla coil is needed to accomplish it .
I used a hair pin circuit with my own home made HV capacitors . I used a old microwave oven bulb as they seem to work the best but even an regular incandescent bulb will work but not as strong a reaction .
The metals I used to experiment with were al , cu ,ar ,pb,
Fe . All were attracted to the bulb and remained so even after it was shut off for up to 10 seconds . All metals were grounded so to alleviate any static attraction .

I used 10kv a.c. as a power source and detected no radiation .

Maybe if higher levels of power are used it my well be as stated , but the experiment can be reproduced at safe levels . I believe Mr. Dollard knows what he is doing and since neither he or I were present we can not comment .
If anyone feels unsafe in this experiment then don't do it .
Yes all precaution should be taken to be safe , but in all fairness was only his reproduction of the experiment he can speak for and give valid claims to . Most certainly not mine ,and mine were done several years ago as were Mr. Dollards with no present or lasting effects .

As to the production of artificial radiation by Mr. Tessa
I believe that he did accomplish this . You need only look at the work of Mr. Lebonn to see how it's done . Also the work of another French physicist who's name escapes me at the moment . I believe he also used carbon rods in his experiments , much like the gray tube has a carbon resistor and was said to give off beta radiation .
Anyway all interesting stuff , be safe but don't stop experiments because of some radiation . Shield it and continue .

Best to all,

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The monitor resuts are back!

And I have to eat my words.

The badge received zero uSv of photon energy.

I'm still confused, but it looks like no Xrays are produced.

I'll have another look at this one day, but hopefully someone else can do some further investigations with faraday cages and the like.
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Thanks for the update!

I think that only makes it more interesting!


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Thanks for the report !

I think you initial words of caution were very important for experimenters
to read. X Rays or similar need safe protocols in place ...so Ernst can play
with them ...

thank you very much for sharing !

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