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You still have not answered the question of why you think the silver, copper and Teflon wire you bought qualifies as a G2 HTS.

Thanks for the references. Quite a lot happening at 77K.
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I missed something, what is 77K ? I missed the reference to this term or site.

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I missed something, what is 77K ? I missed the reference to this term or site.

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Hi wantomake,

Sorry, I tried to detail it out best I could with references to the exact posts. But in a nutshell: BM for some reason thinks and seemingly infers that Thane Heins is using superconducting technology, specifically G2-HTS. I have been following his work for a while and suspect it is not the case. I was about to say something when another member chimed in and commented that it was nice to see Thane working at 77k. BM hasn't a clue to what that means even though several of his posts as recent as a few months ago on this thread contain detailed explanations of it. He thinks 77k means $77,000.

77K (-196ēC) is the temperature at which liquid nitrogen boils. To use G2-HTS one must cool the conductors to 77K. This is much higher (although still very cold) than the near absolute zero temperature needed for superconducting requiring liquid helium, which is far more expensive than liquid nitrogen. BM also claims he has bought some G2-HTS wire. It is obvious to me and I suspect to member Iamnuts that BM has no clue so we are calling him on it. That's all.

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Ok. Liquid nitrogen is way beyond my understanding at this point.

If I may jabber a bit. I was a educator in Japan for five years. But only to fill a position that the school had. Upfront i informed the school of my education level. At the time was pursuing a BA in asian studies. But the American teachers are few in Japan so they asked to teach plus attend college at the same time.

The facility knew my education level and helped me along. I learned to not be something above your knowledge level. Those around you will spot your knowledge and at times point it out. Especially this type of higher education level. I've been studying and trying to replicate here for six years and not ashamed my lack of knowledge. But some will post above their heads and others do notice. I'm 61 and just starting to learn and want-to-make as many free energy devices as possible.

Stating all that I can't agree or disagree professionally here. But I think Thane Heins ideas are worth the conversation and study. I've been following his work as much as possible. I can't build TH coils yet. Trying with smaller motors is my method, but to no avail.

Sorry for the long babbling. But the sad conclusion for this forum is the lack of passionate teachers to start a new thread with good organizational steps to follow. There are a few good ones. Ufopolitics, Turion, Madmack had step by step instructions. To name a few I followed.

But just my thoughts and opinions,
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... But I think Thane Heins ideas are worth the conversation and study. I've been following his work as much as possible. I can't build TH coils yet. Trying with smaller motors is my method, but to no avail.
My issue is when I see a guy like BM making statements which are obviously BS. I don't believe Thane has used liquid nitrogen cooling therefore has not used G2-High Temperature Superconducting. BM implies he has and also says silver plated copper with Teflon is a G2-High Temperature Superconductor, which it is not. Such BS as comes from BM only confuses and leads astray would be replicators such as yourself. I feel it best to expose blatant BS when it is recognized, don't you?

Then when confronted, BM will not back up his statements or address the technology. Instead he insults me and questions my character and motive. How about fact and truth? That is what I want to see.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:16 AM
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Having built several versions of a large generator run by a small pulse motor, I can tell you there are TWO very important points you need to incorporate into your thinking to get things to work like you want them to. Thane has shared BOTH of them, but unless they are COMBINED in the same build, you will beat your head against a wall trying to get the results you want.

The first is you must have a high impedance coil. What does that mean? Who defines what high impedance is, and when do you get there. Different sized wires have different lengths before they become "high impedance" when wound on a coil.

The second is that even though your coil is high impedance, it will not give you the right results unless run at the right frequency. What determines the frequency? The size of the rotor? The number of magnets on the rotor? The rpm's of the rotor? Or all of these?????


I have a generator that I can run, and it will speed up under load when run at the correct frequency. At five rpm under that, a load will slow it down. I didn't "Luck" into the right combination of wire length, rotor size, number of magnets on the rotor and correct rpm. I got there by winding a lot of coils, having a lot of coils not work, and wasting a lot of money and time. I know several combinations that WILL work, but as yet I have not developed a formula for determining what needs to be changed in order to get a particular setup to work.

Until we have some common language to discuss this, you are shooting in the dark. What NEEDS to happen is a group on like minded individuals need to say that they are all going to attach a 12" rotor to the shaft of a razor scooter motor, with 8 magnets on it that are such and such distance from center and such and such distance from each other, and then they are going to start testing different coils and wire lengths. I tried to bring this about by starting a thread entitled "Your Basic Coil, but got tired of the nonsense. I have too much research to do to waste my time arguing with people.

I will say that the correctly wound coil run at the right speed with the right size rotor and the right number of magnets WILL speed up under load. But then you have to start looking at WHY it did that and whether you really WANT it to do that.

So much to do. So little time.
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The voice of experience is worth it's weight in gold. Yes I
agree that we are shooting in the dark, however IF we
generalize when we look at THANE'S rig we gain an idea
that like you say a 12" rotor is in order to start a decent
test.

Next are your basic coils. One patent says to use magnet wire
the others call for type 2 HTS wire for an infinity output. I am
not rich so like the rest I will start with what I have and then
if and when I get some results, the improvements can come.

Yes I agree, based on what THANE (The grand Master) has
pointed out about minimum critical frequency, to me means
that the operator must wind the coil to run in REGENX
mode at say 7mph on a scooter so that this same coil will
not only begin recharging the battery as soon as possible
but also charge the battery at higher rpm's on up into the
upper limits of the bike.

Once the frequency is reached the sky is the limit so we can't
scrimp on wire length's. Why? Because Thane has shown us
that a long thin wire will begin to operate in REGENX mode at
a low frequency where shorter and or thicker wire will require
much high RPM's.

Everyone is a beginner and should not be trying to find REGENX
mode at 10,000 rpm's with a 250 foot section of wire like we find
on a conventional coil. Ding.

Why would I make such an absurd statement? Because this is
what people first think when they see a batch of coils pinned to
a ply board rotating around. Just throw coil on and start it up
right? No.

This message is for the beginners. Turion is far advanced into
this understanding as he has pointed out so many times.

Running a bearing even at 5 grand with homemade magnet
mounts is not only dangerous but will probably explode from
vibration.

Buy some dern wire or get a job so you can buy some dad gum
wire Now we have the wire say a $100 spool to kick things
off right? Now that wasn't so bad was it?

Next 1" Magnets are not all that expensive either plus some $10
sets of bearings. Thane started running rmp's of 50-300.

Wind very long very thin wire coils. Wind it as a bifilar or trifilar
so a great coil "self capacitance" can be reached. Don't use a single
continuous section of wire if you are planning to follow THANE's
construction guide.

SELF CAPACITANCE and RESONANCE is key to optimizing and
finding the "HAPPY SPOT"
(The warm and fuzzy spot should be left left off as a personal matter)

Common guys let's not mix business with monkey business.

If anyone is serious about building an OU device in the form listed
go back in the record of THANE HEINS video's and he gives you
exact resistance values for a slow speed coil for beginners.

A SLOW SPEED COIL is a REGENX coil that starts assisting the
rotor acting at say 100 rmp's and used a 5X longer coil.

5X longer than what length than what? Conventional coils. What
is the length of a conventional coil? If you are not willing to sign
up for class to study rocket science and come back in 8 years to
answer THAT question, just unwind a motr to find the answer.

For instance a Gerard Morin Pump motor for washing machines
have 2 spools of wire on them, unwind them and measure.

I just saved you 8 years of schooling so that should be worth
something shouldn't it?

More later, like Dave says I have to work for a living or in his
case work for pleasure. Thanks Dave for any help.
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The problem here has always been the same thing. NOTHING is standardized. You use one size rotor. I use another. You use one size magnet wire, I use a different one, yet we ALL expect the same results. It isn't going to happen. John B went a long way toward helping us out with that when he came out with the monopole kits because everyone who bought one had the same unit...for a while...until changes were made. And now we are back in the same old boat with every man for himself, and you replicate something I do but it doesn't work because your rotor was different or your magnets were different or you used a 12 volt battery and I used a power supply at 18 volts. I use a pulse motor and you use a stock DC motor, and you wonder why yours doesn't work.
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With all due respect a Bedini monopole coil is not very different
from a REGENX coil, though you are right in your analogy of the failure
comparisons. Monopole coils are easy as all specs are listed.

Not a REGENX coil.

I think the Monopole coil and the REGENX coils overlap in
some areas of operation. Such as the "SELF CAPACITANCE"
brought about by winding coils in the bifilar, trifilar, quadfilar
and so on way of winding.

I think it is significant, that the Bedini motor could be
fitted with REGENX generator coils very easily, in fact I think
that John Bedini did make his generator coils long enough for
a delayed lenz to occur. John Bedini also has shown his
generator coils to be bifilar wound in some experiments so
the coils resonant function could be reached at the needed
RPM.

The RMP being very slow, but none the less anyone with
a monopole can assist rotor action thru the delayed lenz
REGENX coil, if this is what we desire to call it.

The term REGENX coil is only one set of circumstances that
one man has enacted to bring about his effect plus name
he put on it. That is fine I think he should.

For this I am grateful. Thane has more definitively illustrated
what I believe John B. generator coil did at the slower speed.

Now concerning being lost without a compass John B did not
do that as you pointed out and I do not think we should say
that THANE has abandoned us either.

There is a huge difference in what THANE is doing as compared
to what John B. did. John showed us years of refined work with
a step by step list of parts that he put together over a 30 year
period. This was a side line. John B builds electronic gaming
devices, John spent most of his life building amplifiers to pay the
bills.

So what John has shown he has freely given.

On the other hand THANE makes his living, solely off of
the technology/research and development we see as REGENX
or transformers with a delayed lenz.

This is very significant to note. One has made very little
money working in the field of building alternate energy products
for his lively hood, while the other makes ALL of his money to
pay the bills by selling his technology, so YOU CAN BUILD IT.

When you see that, you see more clearly and you can
understand why experimentation in the area of the REGENX
technology becomes important. The monopole path was
refined over 30 plus years and is no challenge to get it
to do what was promised. I love it and we all needed that.

Thank you John.

The REGENX is an off shoot of the same tech, bifilar (Tesla Style)
coils with the axial motor magnets hurling by. Some use hall effects
triggers, some use an adjacent triggering coil to transistor or just
a plain ole everyday commutator.

These wheels with magnet passing by coils produce many things
such as the magneto effects John B. gave us and depending we
use these axial motors in a wide range of devices today.

If all of you remembered the Bedini generator coil work you
would know that the length of that coil was 5X longer than
the hundred foot energizer coils were. The generator coils
were intended to be used exactly the same way Thane uses
these coils he calls REGENX coils.

I looked back in the history of what THANE HEINS said about
who he gives credit to for finding the answers to build his
motors. Thane said he got the ideas from his work with
the Bedini devices. This was a start but not to ignore his
continued research and development with regenerative
braking at the university.

It doesn't surprise me, how about you?

This message is only meant to stimulate and encourage others
to think outside of the box so they may gain some insight on
how they could proceed with their experiments and does not
require anyone to answer the questions or address statement
made for educational purposes ONLY.

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Time is up, back to the bricks.

Thane Heins has opened a new channel for the newest
innovations with his work and more chalk board instruction.

Happy learning
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Here is a great intro, Thanks A Million Thane.







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Good ole Conrade thinks systematically. It is the small effects
that his basic setup shows how we can get the extra energy.

You will note that Conrade uses very long sections of wire in his
coils constituting a high impedance. If these coils were made of
short thick wire I suspect that the rotating magnet would put
down the drive motor to a great degree before even connecting
a load.

Not all coils give the same result.

All tests need to be done separately. Run a dc motor by itself
measuring the energy used before bringing any coil into a close
proximity with the magnet.

Next bring the coil in question that you have wound near the
rotating magnet then measure the DC drive motor watts again
before and after loading.

Conrade is a simple genius. Go Conrade Go!!!!


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Hi, may I chime in?
Unfortunately this test is incomplete. Conrad took as reference the condition that load is maximum (max. voltage and max. current).
Please do not see this post as destructive but we need to get true facts. This is unfortunately one of those cases where a truly sincere experimenter fools himself.
There might really be something to it but those tests do not reveal it.

Here my penny to it: See delayed Lenz effect from Naudin lab: The Delayed Lenz Effect exploration and tests

BTW: Are you fixed on self accelerating generators only? In the advanced handbook we learn how low drag performs. In case somebody cares I can elaborate on this.
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Well, in the advanced book they show why the energizer is of low drag type. The main energy is being produced hust arond TDC where Lenz does not act sideways. (see page 51/ I hesitate to add pics here because they might be copyrighted and you should own the book yourself)
Things get better if the wheel is bigger. Therefore tiny energizers will not work. I like teh idea to own a wheeel with 1m diameter. Bedini is tolde rto have stated in early days that if you want to extract real power you should have a wheel in the size of truck wheels and coils in the size of coffee jugs.

If we stand away from, the idea to get the very whole range of magnetic interference but restrict ourselves to the area around TDC it will work fine.

In the book they show the circuitry at the gen coil: diode, capacitor and the LED load (see page 41). This is very smart because only while charging the cap initially the whole range of magent passing is being used and normal drag occurs.
If the LED load is tuned poperly (let's say charge peak 14V and discharge inbetween charge pulses decay to 12V) - then only the very center around TDC wil cause current. This is dead simple and dead smart. Voltage difference and the diode perform the switching almost for free.

And Bedini again and agin showed his giant fan at his bicycle wheel and stated again and again that the effectivity will rise under moderate load and of course he had his very first publication with the energizer out there ..... do you get the idea?

Note: We should stand away from the idea to have an OU generator and at same time get deliberately any power within the range at will like mains. Almost all of them are tuned to a certain load. Nevertheless we can switch on and off gen coil after gen coil in order to face the power need.

Additional idea:
1.
We should understand that our current electric science deals with current and therefore with resistance and losses. And we can harvest current in the vicinity of TDC with low or very low drag.
Did you notice that at rotoverter they do the vey same?
It needs to be tested how we can convert the gen coil as boost converter along active pulsing in order to get the voltage needed.


2.
If I charge a coil with current (aka magentism) I have the north pole at a certain end - the magnet field is being driven by current. But if I stop current - will the magnetic field reverse for the discharge time in order to drive itself the current? I found no textbook explaining this detail. If the answer is yes we have the point where to accelerate while extracting power.

1+2
Given 1+2 holds true we can short circuit the gen coil around TDC actively and discharge it after that generating accelleration.

Unfortunately I have up to now no setup for testing and free time is severly resticted. Therefore take this as thought food. And next idea as well.

At driving circuitry we need to spend some thoughts as well - same thing: extremely smart circuitry but tricky to understand. But this seems not to be the right place for this because here we deal with generators.
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Hi, may I chime in?

Please do not see this post as destructive but we need to get true facts.

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I would like to hear what you are thinking.
Hey John I want to hear what you think about this ReGenX
stuff. If it is not fantasy then how does it work.

I created this thread to learn and so far all across the world
no one understands it or can explain it.
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Still pondering on it and did not get any grip up to now.
Normal theory is insufficient. If you store energy in the coil along textbook knowledge you need to have an energy flow and that is only possible via current.
My question above is real. I red somewhere that a collpsing magentic field reverses compared to the steady orientation before. If that is true one can engineer that.
At my last post I pointed how Bedini engineered the lenz effect and uncovered it in the advanced handbook.

Nevertheless I know radiant will become real power if one side (or both) of a capacitor plate is a coil (see Utkin paper). But I doubt we deal here with these effects Utkin describes. But it shows very clearly how controverse the reality is compared to our notions we feel they were true. BTW: electrolytic caps and foil caps are coiled ......

But yes I believe it is something to that with regenx. But inventors know only the ingredients to tweak it but do not know the true explanation. So we are so blind like them. Their advantage is they have something and we lack it.

If you study the very early researches in matters of elctricity they had no clue, no theory, no terms for that - we are like they were. Even Tesla used in later times terms like electricity and frequency in a very different meaning (e.g. frequency were only those steep DC pulses and not sine AC any more and elctricity was static voltage only)

Sorry, those are all my notions I can share just now :-( I would eagery use my lab for experiments but there is no chance for next 20 month.
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I red somewhere that a collpsing magentic field reverses compared to the steady orientation before.
Hi John,

The collapsing magnetic field does not reverse. The field and associated current maintain the same orientation or direction. It is the potential difference or voltage which reverses polarity when the field starts to collapse compared to the polarity induced when the magnetic field was initiated.

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Still pondering on it and did not get any grip up to now.

But yes I believe it is something to that with regenx.

Sorry, those are all my notions I can share just now :-( I would eagery use my lab for experiments but there is no chance for next 20 month.
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Would you like me to point out the main theoretical principle?
I know right where 2 video's are on a black board.
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@bromikey: yes, please guide a blind man
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@bistander: Thanks a lot
@bromikey: yes, please guide a blind man

Okay well I found it but I don't know who can understand it.

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Well you can understand it! :-)
What the guy says is:
1.
If a coil builds up voltage because of an approaching magnet it charges its own "parasitic" capacitance first. This takes some time.
Take as rough imagination the circuit for driving a spark gap see left side. C1 is being charged first before the spark gap ignites. In our case we have of course not this digital behaviour but merely an interlieving between internal and external current.
2.
It is not the high impedance per se that is requried but with some few windings like e.g. a car alternator you cannot get this inherent capacitance big enough. You need some more windings - best bifliar like Tesla tought. The more windings the lower the threshold where we are in the business. Therefore a big wheel with many magnets rises the frequency without necessity of high rpm.

3.
This inhernet capacitance is something very special and is not subject of text books because it is seen as "parasitic" effect only. Some inventors state that it does not fulfill all request for a normal known capacitor e.g. it charges obviously not with uniform current like an external capacitor. Somehow this internal charging process produces no external magnetic influence (needs to be tested out). It might even be possible that the internal capacitance charges without current at all. Such things are blind spots in our "all knowing" science.
At Utkin paper I recently mentioned, we have a similar but reverse effect. If you make a coil part of a capacitor it will produce current in the coil just by cycling voltage at the capacitor in unidirectional way. The goodie is: it adds more energy than allowed by science. That is the magic at those famous radiant machines we saw in the past.
The law of conservation of energy is only the effect of symmetrical systems that are 99.999% of our applications. So let's break the symmetry ....

4.
At low frequencies this delay effect is of now importance. While the delay is constant and the frequency (RPM) rises there is a crossover point where the magnet passes while internal capacitance is still charging. There the magic begins.

This guy clearly states that we deal not with resonance but with a threshold after that the effect grows. Of course we head here at our sweet spot towards the resonant point but he states that at his setup the threshold is around 9° phase shift - far away from resonant frequency. Resonsnce is another effect being caused by this phase shift but will happen far above our sweet spot. Same delay mechanism but with much more phase shift. But it is known that a coil will not resonate nicely with its parasitic capacitance. That gives a hints that this capacitance is somehow different. In early ham times they had these basket coils in order to have far less parasitic capacitance and add their "good" external one. And Tesla suggested bifilar winding in order to grow exact this effect and engineer it. BTW: winding with isolated foils will give very good "parasitics". Try aluminum adhesive tape two layers (bifilar) - if copper available it will far better. It gives highest capacitance and low resistance compared to wires. My calulation gives: Tape 2" wide and 0.075mm thick gives a resistance that is comparable to copper AWG 13/14 (2.4 sqmm) but HIGHHHHH capacitance.
Note: The "magic" here is the charge of internal capacitance that obviously hides the Lenz effekt. His invention is that he is able to engineer this neglected and "parasitic" part of electricity.
5.
If you intend to use this effect along a Bedini wheel you need to account for its genuine sweet spot. It might be far lower than the threshold for the regenx coil as wound from first guess. Therefore length of wire and diameter of the gen goils need to be checked and tested. So you might want to get first a jig where you test your regenx coils along variable rpm and then optimize them in order to comply to Bedini wheel sweet spot.
Nevertheless the low drag effect of the Bedini energizer (as recently mentioned by me) as explained in the advanced handbook is still present at the regenx coils and overlaps it. So do not ignore it if you start your work. Both effects need to be engineered.

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Please take this as personal opinion. Partly it does not comply to science - I know that. Almost all inventions begun with violating well known scinece. First they laugh, then they ignore and in the end they claim to have known it from the very beginning. That's human - unfortunately.
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Well you can understand it! :-)
What the guy says is:
1.
If a coil builds up voltage because of an approaching magnet it charges its own "parasitic" capacitance first. This takes some time.
Take as rough imagination the circuit for driving a spark gap see left side. C1 is being charged first before the spark gap ignites. In our case we have of course not this digital behaviour but merely an interlieving between internal and external current.
2.
It is not the high impedance per se that is requried but with some few windings like e.g. a car alternator you cannot get this inherent capacitance big enough. You need some more windings - best bifliar like Tesla tought. The more windings the lower the threshold where we are in the business. Therefore a big wheel with many magnets rises the frequency without necessity of high rpm.

3.
This inhernet capacitance is something very special and is not subject of text books because it is seen as "parasitic" effect only. Some inventors state that it does not fulfill all request for a normal known capacitor e.g. it charges obviously not with uniform current like an external capacitor. Somehow this internal charging process produces no external magnetic influence (needs to be tested out). It might even be possible that the internal capacitance charges without current at all. Such things are blind spots in our "all knowing" science.
At Utkin paper I recently mentioned, we have a similar but reverse effect. If you make a coil part of a capacitor it will produce current in the coil just by cycling voltage at the capacitor in unidirectional way. The goodie is: it adds more energy than allowed by science. That is the magic at those famous radiant machines we saw in the past.
The law of conservation of energy is only the effect of symmetrical systems that are 99.999% of our applications. So let's break the symmetry ....

4.
At low frequencies this delay effect is of now importance. While the delay is constant and the frequency (RPM) rises there is a crossover point where the magnet passes while internal capacitance is still charging. There the magic begins.

This guy clearly states that we deal not with resonance but with a threshold after that the effect grows. Of course we head here at our sweet spot towards the resonant point but he states that at his setup the sweet spot is around 9° phase shift - far away from resonant frequency. Resonsnce is another effect being caused by this phase shift but will happen far above our sweet spot. Same delay mechanism but with much more phase shift. But it is known that a coil will not resonate nicely with its parasitic capacitance. That gives a hints that this capacitance is somehow different. In early ham times they had these basket coils in order to have far less parasitic capacitance and add their "good" external one.
Note: The "magic" here is the charge of internal capacitance that obviously hides the Lenz effekt. His invention is that he is able to engineer this neglected and "parasitic" part of electricity.
5.
If you intend to use this effect along a Bedini wheel you need to account for its genuine sweet spot. It might be far lower than the threshold for the regenx coil as wound from first guess. Therefore length of wire and diameter of the gen goils need to be checked and tested. So you might want to get first a jig where you test your regenx coils along variable rpm and then optimize them in order to comply to Bedini wheel sweet spot.
Nevertheless the low drag effect of the Bedini energizer (as recently mentioned by me) as explained in the advanced handbook is still present at the regenx coils and overlaps it. So do not ignore it if you start your work. Both effects need to be engineered.

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Please take this as personal opinion. Partly it does not comply to science - I know that. Almost all inventions begun with violating well known scinece. First they laugh, then they ignore and in the end they claim to have known it from the very beginning. That's human - unfortunately.
John
Thank You John

I think yer a giant thinker. I have been longing to hear any
kind of higher explanation than I give. Me way down here and
I am happy with that. Spelling out the goal or purpose of this
effect using normal scientific terms is something I lack.

However what I do is to listen to the other guy as he shows
his experiment (Like Thane or John B) and stay with it long
enough to get their message. In a few days I am able to
see a potion of their life's work sometimes and actually
make an informed statement.

I hope you stick around for the fireworks.
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Thane is at it again showing his latest video calling
the regenx coil complimentary.




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I reviewed the patent and the inventor states very clearly what his coil does and why. (Of course there might be some occult contribution that were not disclosed)
Patent US20140111054 - Generator and Improved Coil Therefor Having Electrodynamic Properties - Google Patents

2. A generator coil according to claim 1 comprising sufficient inductance, impedance and self-induced capacitance when operated at a sufficient frequency to, in the regions prior to TDC, disallow current to flow in the coil and store energy externally around the coil in the electromagnetic field as an inductor, but will force the coil to store useful energy internally in the electrostatic field capacitively until substantially the moment of TDC wherein this maximum internally-stored energy is released as a magnetic field of identical polarity to the receding rotor magnetic field with substantially its full instantaneous force being exerted upon the magnet pole.
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5. The coil of claim 2 wherein said disallowing of current to flow is achieved by employing bi-filar coils and while substantially maintaining the prior art DC coil resistance, wire gauge and turns ratio

6. The coil of claim 4 wherein said inductance of the coil forms a tuned circuit with the capacitance of the coil causing it to become self-resonant.

7. The coil of claim 2 wherein said stored electrostatic energy is released to be exerted upon the stator magnet pole at substantially the 45 degree mark

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10. The coil of claim 9 further comprising a step up or step down transformer.

Comment. That might be the clue: Tuned self resonant primary coil and take off of energy via a low resistance secondary transformer winding. The resonant circuit of course needs to be refueled by the rotating magnets but the trick is the delay he achieves via this energy transformation in order to bypass Lenz at least to a certain usable amount. One should try a bifilar open (or maybe shorted - see below, maybe tuned resistor according to the overall impedance??) coil with many thin bifilar windings. On top of this apply fewer turns with thick wire. If Heins shows his coils they look like this but internally he seems to have the hidden bifilar winding. Thus he can maintain the high resistance and capacitance while delivering sufficient current to outside world. Charging the internal parasitic capacitance seems not to cause Lenz's law to be involved (just an idea). We know from many inversions that Lenz's law holds for special cases only.

That is not rare. De Palma e.g. detected that Newton's low holds for not rotating objects only. If rotating the mass owns less inertia. So Newton as well covered a special case only. This diminishes NOT the value of their contribution but tells us that laws are valid in certain environment only and are limited. They need to be explored with caution and wise attitude.

see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjv7RGMYmcs as well and understand that higher frequency is not like DC. A short circuit is not necessarily a short (see above) and a line can be capacitive or resistive depending on how high the frequency is. If you look e.g. inside a satellite LNB you will find many tiny stubs on the PCB that are tuned in length and width as capacitors or inductor as needed. Many FE inventions apparently make use of HF knowledge and transfer it to the lower frequency area where such knowledge is very sparse. Tesla was the first who did it.
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Thanks John

You sure do know many things. I really enjoy your take.
Always feel free to share your knowledge with us.

Here is part two where can see seen a ReGenX-Coil ready for use.
You can see it also is covered with copper tape.

Thane called it a 10amp coil. nice work Thane.




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Mmmh, copper outside?
In old POTS (Plain Old Telephone System) times they covered relais coils with a massive copper layer. This caused - because of the short circuit - a delay for making contact and a delay for releasing it (up to 30ms).
But at a generator I would assume we get too much loss. On other hand if we have increased frequency the current circulating in the copper cover might not reach very high values because it takes time to build up current there. Thus it might add some additional delay.
On other hand the copper coat reduces inductivity.

Still pondering. That guy is very smart :-)
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Well I hear Thane talking about capacitance all of the time
maybe the tape helps somehow with capacitance. Also tape
helps to keep in or out wanted or unwanted (From outside)
distortions or harmonics that throw off coil values during
high frequency operation.

These are all speculative guesses and some is based on what
I read from Thane posting his early research. I can't be sure
until I go back and dig.


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Mmmh, copper outside?
In old POTS (Plain Old Telephone System) times they covered relais coils with a massive copper layer. This caused - because of the short circuit - a delay for making contact and a delay for releasing it (up to 30ms).
But at a generator I would assume we get too much loss. On other hand if we have increased frequency the current circulating in the copper cover might not reach very high values because it takes time to build up current there. Thus it might add some additional delay.
On other hand the copper coat reduces inductivity.

Still pondering. That guy is very smart :-)
There is aluminum shielding or foil and I have heard of Tesla based
transformers having some sort of wrap between layers to change
capacitance. A spacing changes capacitance too. I need to do some
winding of transformer like this but after I am all done I don't
know what I am looking for.
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I do not feel the outer shell of copper is for shielding. We can very clearly see that the tape is solderd heavily (silvey stain) in order to close the cover as conductive cylinder.
Yes, you are right. Tesla used such a conductie ciylinder (it was iron - I remember) in order to get special effects but I do not remember what it was. Nevertheless we know that such measures DO HAVE effects that are commonly not known and researched. So we need to do it.
1. Bifilar winding with thin wire (alternative with aluminum foil for SEVER capacitance)
2. Keeping bifilar winding open, shorted or connected to a tuned resistor or maybe connected somehow to secondary winding
3. Secondary winding for power output with thicker wire
4. Outer sleeve from copper (this might apply to motor / generator in one unit only because we saw coils from Thane wher we can see very clearly the windings on outer layer.) But we need to understadn that these sleeves were often manufactured out of wire that was not enamelled and teh winding was then shorted to itself. This was much more simpler than manufacturing a solid sleeve.

BTW: Vladimir Utkin pondered on shorted windings as well: Vladimir Utkin's Free-Energy Secrets - March 2012 see chapter "SECRET 2
SWITCHABLE INDUCTANCE"
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Here s the answer for how the ReGenX coil works.

ReGenX Generator Load Current Delay Explained

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