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 BroMikey 02-04-2016 09:34 AM

Here is a Patent document that speaks about wire type
and the timing issue for tuning. If you are not using
"Type II superconducting High temp wire" for building
coils, you have missed the entire experiment.

Infinity Generator
( 15 Feb 2005 )

Description of Operation

List of Components ( Figure 1.0 [ Not vailable ] )

4 Permanent magnets; M1, M2, M3, m4
4 Type II High Temperature Superconducting Wire and Coils C1, C2, C3, C4

As the inner coil C1 and C2, rotates around magnets M1 and M2, a current is induced in the wire/coil.

According to Lenz’s Law an electromagnetic force is produced around the wire/coil which acts to stop the rotating action as shown in Figure 1.0 by Force 1 and Force 2 (The Conservation of Energy).

The inner coil C1 and C2, which is surrounded by magnets M1 and M2, dictates the magnitude and direction of current flow, which in turn is determines by faraday’s ;aw;

When a magnet approaches an infinitely long wire or coil an electric voltage is induced in the wire.

The magnitude of induced voltage (Emf) if determined by:

1 --- The number of turns in the coil, N

2 --- The strength of the external magnetic field, B.

3 --- The area perpendicular to the magnetic field or the area of the coil, A.

4 --- The rate (speed) at which the magnet approaches the wire, Delta T.

The inner coil C1 and C2, has a greater number of turns N, a stronger magnetic field strength B and a greater area perpendicular to the magnetic field A than the outer 2 coils C3 and C4 which correspond to Magnets M3 and m4.

As the current I flows out through the outer 2 coils C3 and C4, an electromagnetic field is produced --- Force 3 and Force 4, which encourages the direction of rotation rather than opposing it as was seen by the inner coils and the forces F1 and F2. This can be explained by the Left hand Rule of Electricity for Motors and the right Hand Rule for Electricity respectfully, where the thumb points in the direction of force applied F, the index finger points in the direction of the magnetic field B, and the middle finger in the direction of the current flow I.

Because Type II High Temperature Superconducting Wire/Coils are employed there is no resistance in the wire and no loss of output due to the windings resistance in the exterior coils.

Image 2 details what magnitudes and directions of torques are produced within the generator.

The calculations show that by changing either the magnetic field strength B, or the length of the outer coil L, o the length of the lever are 3 or 4, the complimentary toque produced at the outer coil can be greatly affected and utilized to negate not only the negative emf’s but resistance in the bearings and the wire if a conventional generator design is utilized, i.e., copper or silver wire.

Risks and Uncertainties

There is an assumption being made in this design proposal which suggests that current will flow from the inner coil out through the outer coils and that the outer coils will not generate their own current. If there is an initial current being generated in the outer coils it will be overcome by the current generated by the inner coil because the inner coil will be designed to produce a current of greater magnitude and duration.

Care must be taken to ensure that coils C3 and C4 and the rate (speed) at which the wire/coil approaches magnets M3 and m4 Delta T, does not have a negative effect on the generator’s performance.

Current sensitive switching may be employed if needed to ensure the desired direction of current flow.

 BroMikey 02-04-2016 10:56 AM

 BroMikey 02-04-2016 11:16 PM

I have not yet read all patents yet and reviewed all Thane
Heins data but I have this. And alsoa common sense quote
from the patent that calls for precise calculations in
timing to assist rotor torque.

Shade tree experiments are destine to fail, random tests
without understanding coil calculation millisecond timing
are futile.

I have looked on many sites and NOBODY and I mean NOBODY
is showing how they arrived at a timing calculation mathmatically
to confirm that they are qualified to understand these systems.

I will be back to address the similarities of the BiTT and ReGenX.

Patent quotes in RED.

http://flyer.thenetteam.net/ThaneH/ReGenPat1.jpg

4 --- The rate (speed) at which the magnet approaches the
wire, Delta T.

The inner coil , has a greater number of turns N,
a stronger magnetic field strength B and a greater area
perpendicular to the magnetic field A than the outer 2 coils
which correspond to Magnets .

The calculations show that by changing either the magnetic
field strength B, or the length of the outer coil L, o the
length of the lever are 3 or 4, the complimentary toque
produced at the outer coil can be greatly affected and
utilized to negate not only the negative emf’s but resistance
in the bearings and the wire if a conventional generator
design is utilized, i.e., copper or silver wire.

Risks and Uncertainties

There is an assumption being made in this design proposal
which suggests that current will flow from the inner coil
out through the outer coils and that the outer coils will not
generate their own current. If there is an initial current being
generated in the outer coils it will be overcome by the
current generated by the inner coil because the inner coil
will be designed to produce a current of greater magnitude
and duration.

 BroMikey 02-05-2016 12:30 AM

lets say we had the proper HTS magnet wire and the right
core material for producing or replicating the AUL effect that
lowers input power while assisting rotor torque.

I didn't say just AUL I said AUL that LOWERS input power and
assists rotor torque.

I didn't say having just AUL or acceleration under load.

This brings me back to the BiTT work that I did for understanding
the ReGenX coil arrangements. Unless you can see the effect
with the BiTT, I don't feel that you have started from the beginning.

The BiTT operates at 60hz on a completely different type of
core material than conventional cores use yet everyone insists
on using just whatever they have kicking around wondering
why their rig was a flop.

The BiTT and ReGenX use a phase shifted voltage to current
reactive power and the BiTT uses 3X-5X the number of turns
on a core that requires this. WHY?

The BiTT is an AC transformer so pole reversals are continuous.
The ReGenX coils are AC and poles also constantly reverse yet
special transformer core materials such as grain oriented are
used to reduce heating, WHY?

I have AC coils that magnetize any metal around it. WHY?

WHY do conventional cores operating in AC still need special
materials?

If you have a set of 2 or 3 homemade motor coils for motoring
running at .5 milliseconds at 3600 RPM'S which in some cases
are where convention coils run, what coils calculation would
you show to assist that timing?

Multiple choice: @3600 RPM

A: a coil that has a 10 millisecond TC

B: a coil that has a 3 millisecond TC

C: a coil that has a 5 millisecond TC

At what phase angle would you want your assisting coil to
engage?

Would it be 45 degrees?

Would it be 75 degrees?

Would it be 90 degrees?

Would it be 180 degrees?

Depending on which value you have chosen will give the proper
coil dimensions, number of turns, size and type of wire.

If I have a coil and magnet interacting every .5 milliseconds
somewhere in between the time it takes to get from point A to
point B my calculation for assisting will be made.

If I have a .5 millisecond motoring coil timing and I use a
5 millisecond Regenerative coil in the experiment, at what
phase angle will this 5 millisecond coil enter into the equation?

Will it come into play 5-10 poles down the line?

 BroMikey 02-05-2016 01:51 AM

In these pictures the rotor on the back is incomplete.
The holes are drilled but the magnets are not yet installed.
The rotor plate is also moves back so we can SEE.

Thane is showing progress. But the important thing is that
we envision the 24 magnetic pole alternating N to S on
each side and the opposite ends of coils have the rotor 1
magnet out of sinc with the other side.

In other ways of stating this the opposite ends of all coils
have an opposite pole magnet passing by it to produce an
AC wave. Yet the coils do not operate all by themselves.

The coils are a set of two as shown in the patent. Not
one coil passing over one magnet, no, that is not how it is.

Each thing we talk about is based on some past innovation
in motor design and what Thane has done is to combine as
many of these improvements as possible into his systems.

The patent declares that one or two is responsible for the
higher result when the rest of the story remains to be scene
only by those who are applying themselves in this work.

Special wire (Superconductors Type) special cores but the
delayed lenz to be calculated based on timing that will assist
motor action.

Without numbers we are building a radio without a tank circuit
and trying to find a radio station we like.

I am trying to think this through and will be back with some math.
Thane specifically pointed out one of his devices operating at a
78 degree phase shift delayed coil action.

Another video Thane comes back and shows a great big ReGenX
coil that he says is only 2 ohms and works well. Others are 3,4,5,6
ohm coils but the timing is a relationship between motor coil
timing and RegenX/Assisting coil timing to get that phase angle.

Math.:thinking:

http://flyer.thenetteam.net/ThaneH/ReGenMot3.jpg

http://flyer.thenetteam.net/ThaneH/ReGenMot1.jpg

 BroMikey 02-05-2016 08:47 AM

Here is one important Patent for the ReGenX coils and
acceleration Under Load. Here you will find the math needed
to build your replication. Anyone who can run the math will
be close enough to experiment.

US Patent
Application for Generator and Improved Coil Therefor Having
Electrodynamic Properties Patent Application (Application
#20140111054 issued April 24, 2014) - Justia Patents
Search

Some math highlights.

FIG. 2: The Time Constant Rise Time in a Series Inductor Circuit.
The ReGenX coil's inductance contributes to the coils rise time
post TDC which in turn contributes to the 45 degree current
time delay.

FIG. 14: Isolation Oscilloscope Shot Showing ReGenX Coil
Current 135 Degree Delay

FIG. 25: Bi-Filar Wound Parallel Connected Coil

FIG. 26: Bi-Filar Wound Series Connected Coil

Total Inductive Reactance (XL) of a Generator Coil:

XL=2πFL

where: XL is the total inductive reactance
F is the operating frequency of the coil
L is the inductance of the coil
As can be deduced from the above equation, as the
operating frequency of the coil is increased, the coil's
inductive reactance must also increase.
Total Impedance (ZT) of a Generator Coil:

ZT=XL+RDC+XC

where: XL is the total inductive reactance of the coil
RDC is the DC resistance of the coil windings
XC is the capacitive reactance of the coil
As can be deduced from the above equation, as the inductive
reactance of the coil is increased, the total impedance of the
coil must also increase.

If we employ Ohm's Law which states that:

I=V/ZT

We can deduce that, as the coil impedance increases, the
current flow decreases accordingly.

As a magnetic North pole approaches a coil, its magnetic field
intersecting with the coil increases and causes an electromotive
force (‘EMF’ or voltage) to be induced across the coil, in
accordance with Faraday's Law and Lenz's Law, as given by
Equation (1.1), where we take advantage of the fact that
since flux ΦB for a coil is given by ΦB=NAB⊥ where B⊥ represents
magnetic field perpendicular to the coil and the number of
turns of the coil N and perpendicular area A remain constant, to
obtain the second form given

Conventional generator coils employ coils of low inductance
whereas the ReGen-X coil has inductance values and time
constants that can be five times greater. This has an important
role to play in the coils ability to allow current to flow through
the coil.

The effect of an inductor in a circuit is to oppose changes in
current through it by developing a voltage across it proportional
to the rate of change of the current. The relationship between
the time-varying voltage v(t) across an inductor with inductance
L and the time-varying current i(t) passing through it is described
by the differential equation:

At the instant the magnet is coaxial with the coil the situation
is as illustrated in FIG. 9. Because the rate of change of the
magnetic flux is instantaneously zero, the impedance of the coil
drops rapidly and magnetic field in the core is ‘discharged’ back
towards the rotor, repelling the passing North magnetic pole and
attracting the next South magnetic pole in the series. It is
postulated by the inventor that in this situation Lenz's law
applies in the opposite sense and so the EMF generated by
the coil is defined by Equation (2.2).

 BroMikey 02-05-2016 08:58 AM

Stages of coil operation.

First two Conventional stages then ReGenX have three stages.

Patent US20140111054 - Generator and Improved Coil Therefor Having Electrodynamic Properties - Google Patents

Conventional Generator Coil Operation, Stage 1 and Stage 2

FIG. 9 shows what happens when a North Pole rotor magnet approaches
a conventional coil which is connected to a load, current flows to the
load and the coil produces both a repelling resistive electromagnetic
force as seen by the approaching rotor magnet as well as an
attractive resistive electromagnetic field as seen by the receding
magnetic field. The net effect is more externally applied force must
always be applied to the rotor magnets to keep them approaching
the coil or they will decelerate and eventually stop if the load current
is great enough. The higher the current magnitude flowing in the coil
the stronger the coil's induced magnetic field and the more force must
be applied to the rotor.

When the North Pole rotor magnetic field begins to move away from the
coil's core as shown in FIG. 10, the current flow direction changes
direction as well and the coil's induced resistive magnetic field changes
from a repelling magnetic field to an attracting magnetic field which
resists the North Pole rotor's departure.

ReGen-X Generator Coil Operation, Stage 1, Stage 2 and Stage 3

In Stage 1 as shown in FIG. 11, when the rotor's magnet field
approaches the ReGen-X coil above a certain critical minimum
frequency the coil impedance delays current flow in the coil and
it does not peak until the rotor magnet passes TDC. TDC is the
point in time when the rotor magnet is neither approaching nor
receding the coil and it is
essentially stationary. FIG. 5 shows the current sine wave in the
ReGenX coil (B) which is minimal prior to TDC and maximum
after TDC. When the rotor magnetic field approaches a ReGenX
coil above the coil's critical minimum frequency the current is
delayed and the resultant repelling magnetic field is minimal as
shown in the isolation

diagram below FIG. 12.

FIG. 12 shows the current sine wave for a conventional generator
coil (A) which peaks at the 90 degree mark (TDC). The resistive
repelling magnetic field produced by the coil increases in magnitude
until it peaks at 90 degrees and then changes direction to a
maximum magnitude resistive attracting magnetic field after the
90 degree mark when the current flow in the coil also changes
direction. The current flowing in the ReGenX generator coil on
the other hand is small prior to the 90 degree mark and does not
peak until after TDC or until the rotor magnet is already moving
away from the coil's core. The NET result is the post
90 degree (accelerative) repelling forces are greater than the
pre 90 degree (decelerative) repelling forces exerted by the ReGenX
coil's induced magnetic field on the rotor's rotating magnetic
field and rotor acceleration occurs under load.

FIG. 13 shows Stage 2 for the
ReGenX generator coil when the rotor magnetic field is TDC,
neither approaching nor receding from the coil's core.

At TDC the impedance of the coil drops to the low DC resistance
of the
coil while the induced voltage in the coil is at a maximum. The
maximum induced voltage can now be dissipated through the
coil's low DC resistance which produces maximum current flow
through the coil and to the load. The ReGenX coil's current flow
is delayed by the coil's inductance rise time as shown in FIG. 2.
and maximum current flow
and corresponding maximum magnetic field produced around the
coil does not fully manifest itself until 45 degrees post TDC. Once
the rotor's magnetic field begins to move away from the coil's core
at TDC the ReGenX coil's delayed and peaking magnetic field repels
and accelerates the rotor magnetic field in the same direction as its
original trajectory and accelerates its departure away from the coil
at a faster rate than it otherwise would be.

FIGS. 14 & 15 show Stage 3 for the ReGenX coil operation where the
rotor's rotating magnetic field has moved past the coils core at TDC.
When the ReGen-X coil discharges its delayed magnetic field which is
the same polarity as the receding rotor magnet it accelerates the
magnet's departure at a faster rate while simultaneously attracting
the opposite pole on the rotor which is now moving into position. The
net effect is less externally applied force can be applied to the rotor
magnets to keep them approaching the coil as opposed to a
conventional generator coil which requires an increase in eternally
applied force. The higher the current magnitude flowing in the
ReGen-X coil the stronger the coil's induced magnetic field and the
less force is required to keep the rotor rotating and the generator
producing electrical energy.

 BroMikey 02-06-2016 09:51 PM

Back around 2000 Thane was working on this stuff and here
is one of his first entries in 2003 that is easy to read. Very short
and to the point.

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Direct...eia_patent.pdf

Here is an 8 year old entry stating that Thane Heins has nothing.
Or have I read this wrong. You see our problem here? If statements
like this are to be retracted then why hasn't the retraction come?
I guess now we can see why Thane no longer comes here.

No Useful Output

On Feb. 6, 2008, Peter Lindemann, DSc, writes:

I have reviewed all seven video links. In all fairness, I would like to
say that Thane has built some nice demonstrations and spent a lot
of time running experiments. That said, the films show nothing
important. First of all, the films do not show enough detailed
information to evaluate the demonstrations. Second, no free
energy is shown. In fact, the generators are never shown
producing any useful outputs. They are either shown
producing voltage in "open circuit" mode, or they are shown in
"short circuit" mode, where the generated voltage drops below
one volt. So, ZERO WATTS are produced in either case.

The changes in mechanical drag are due to changes in inductance
and hysteresis. Back in the 1980's, both John Bedini and I
independently worked with "variable reluctance" generators.
We both saw that these designs work like an inverse to a
standard induction generator. That is, they produce maximum
drag in "open circuit" mode, and minimum drag in "short circuit"
mode. John found that the point of maximum benefit in this situation
is to charge a battery, where the impedance of the generator
"sees" the battery as a "near short circuit". Under these
circumstances, the generator free-wheels and the battery
charges quickly.

Unfortunately, Thane is not showing any useful benefits from
the generator output. So, there is no "efficiency" to calculate
because there is no output!

The real problem with these demonstrations has to do with his motor
drive. The motor driving his system is a single phase induction motor.
This type of motor has almost zero starting torque, and only
produces its rated power at rated speed. So, the rated speed of
his motor is
probably in the neighborhood of 1725 RPM. Running this motor in
the 100 RPM range converts 98% of the input electric power to HEAT.
He says he has a capacitor in the input circuit to the motor, but
this is never shown in schematic, so we don't know how it is hooked
up. If the capacitor is connected in SERIES with the motor winding,
it will act as a current limiter, and skew the power factor of the
motor towards reactive power. This is fine, IF you want to limit
the mechanical power of the motor as well. If the capacitor is
connected in PARALLEL with the motor winding, it will act to
produce reactive power for the motor locally, and reduce the
amount of power it draws from the wall. But again, this would
only be significant at rated speed.

The effect he shows when a magnetic field is applied to the motor
shaft would be undetectable if he was operating the motor correctly.
It is a very weak effect. It is probably caused by the external
magnetic field interfering with the induced magnetic field of the
rotor. This would not happen if the motor coils were not being
severely current limited and the rotor was not "slipping" severely
in the rotating magnetic field of the stator.

My GUESS is that the capacitor is in SERIES with the motor winding.
This will limit the current to the motor to a specific maximum. At the
speeds he is running these motors, the only other mechanism to hold
back the input current would be the resistance of the wire in the
motor coils. If that is all he had, the motor would quickly over-heat
and melt the insulation right off the wire. The fact that the motor
is running hot is proved in the seventh film where a large black fan
is shown blowing on the motor!

From the data presented, my best estimate of the efficiency
of the demonstrations is that over 90% of the energy going into
the motor is converted to heat. The changes in drag of the
generators is standard behavior for variable reluctance topologies,
so accelerations or decelerations of the motor DO NOT represent
energy production, just changes in HYSTERESIS DRAG. Since no
output energies are ever measured, the input to output efficiency
ratio is ZERO.

Thane Heins may have more important discoveries in his lab,
but they are not demonstrated in these videos.

I'm really sorry to have to comment negatively on Thane's work.
He is exploring a new effect, and he is pretty brave to put out his
data. It took John and I years to figure out what these kinds of
generators were really doing and why. It is not obvious, and it
takes a lot of experimenting and thinking to work it out.

Thane really needs to show the complete schematic of his test
apparatus, including the strength and orientation of the magnets
on his generator wheel, as well as the specifications on his drive
motor. There is a lot of important data missing from the demos.

 BroMikey 02-06-2016 10:57 PM

next is a world renowned entry right after Peter's (Dr. Peter L.)
This entry reinforces the assumption that Thane Heins has made
a mistake in his experiments and is not infact getting any excess
power. In other words Thane is fooling himself.

Calling him an incapable EE. Now who is the fool?:)

Perpetual Motion Claim — If It's a Hoax, It's a Good One

Nothing more than a hysteresis brake

• On Feb. 6, 2008, DMBoss wrote:
• Quote from: blindsangamon on Today at 02:45:23 AM
• It appears that the Perepiteia Motor is nothing more than a
hysteresis brake. Placing the steel rods (wound by coils) near the
spinning magnets induces alternating magnetic flux within the
rods, the resulting magnetic hysteresis causes drag on the rotating
disk, and heat losses within the steel rods. Shorting out the coils
effectively shields the steel rods from the disk's magnetic field,
eliminating the hysteresis drag. This causes the motor to speed
up - but not as much as it would if the steel rods were removed
completely.

• BUSTED!

• Hi:
• blindsangamon is correct. This is a common phenomenon
regards "generators", but one often not commonly known about
if you are not working with AC motors and generators all the
time. So the professor at MIT may not have this practical
engineering savvy to identify the issues at first glance.
• An hysteresis brake is one way to describe the apparently
anomalous increase in speed when you short the generator coils.
What EVERY ferromagnetic core does when exposed to varying
magnetic fields is to have it's domains rock or flip direction in
accord with the magnetic field changes impinging on them.
• This consumes power in the "friction" between domains as they
sort of scrape past each other. It results in the material heating
up. In addition to this hystersis "loss" is an eddy current effect
within bulk steel from the very same time varying magnetic fields,
also making heating of the core. These two effects combined are
commonly termed "core loss".
• Core loss produces a reaction torque in a generator, in that the
domain "friction" resists their aligning with the external field - causing
more drag torque. Eddy currents make magnetic fields which oppose
the fields making the eddy currents too, making more drag torque.
• Now "core loss" in any ferromagnetic core material is directly
proportional to the induction, B. Put another way the higher the
delta flux density, the more core loss you get. (it is also
proportional to the frequency, but let's assume a constant freq
here, even though it is not at a constant one - it speeds up and
slows down, again a neophyte mistake - you must measure things
here at common speeds/freqs to make comparisons accurately)
• And the induction, B is then what produces the coil voltage
via Faraday/Lenz laws. That is voltage is the time derivative of
delta flux. So people, when you short a generator coil and it's
voltage drops to near zero, you can be certain that the delta B
within the coil's core is also near zero!
• So if you started with a delta B of say 1,000 gauss at no load
on the coils, and your core material produces say 15 watts of core
loss per pound of core (solid steel is in this ballpark, which is why
we laminate special steels for transformers which takes the core
loss down to about 2 watts per pound) then you'd have some
serious drag torque experienced by the drive motor with coils
open circuit.
• Now if you short the coils and drop the delta B down to say
10 gauss, you have REDUCED the core loss by a factor of
1000/10=100 times less core loss when shorted than when
open circuited!
• This means 100 times less drag torque felt by the drive motor!
(therefore the common shaft speeds up when coils are shorted,
duhhhh)

[*]This is amateur hour gone mad - both in the videos and mostly
in these lists! Which does nothing but hurt the cause of getting
O/U to the masses in my view, as it simply reinforces to the
powers that be in the scientific community that it is a bunch
of flakes and idiots making these claims!

• Now I will also say, that heavily loading certain geometry of
generator, can produce some gain. I have several examples on the
bench which do. But they are proprietary and I don't care to share
this with lists. BUT you have to do proper energy/power balances to
measure this gain. And you have to endeavor to reduce core losses
to a minimum and account for core loss change when you heavily load
the coils too.
• I have one which gets a gain in excess of the entire core loss value,
both eddy and hysteresis - therefore the gain cannot be from this
artifact that plagues all coil/core systems. But it is a modest gain,
and yes the rotor does want to speed up. But you have to manage
same shaft speed, because friction and windage change too when
speed changes.
• Then you have to measure True power at the shaft input via
torque sensing and speed, against True output power, including friction,
core loss, coil heating and direct electrical output for a complete
energy/power
balance. In fact there is an IEEE protocol for doing
a complete power balance on motors and generators, which includes
all these things.

[*]This person did few if none of these things properly and is
delusional about the apparent speed increasing meaning it is O/U.
There could be a small amount of gain in his sloppy and amateurish
system, but it is completely overriden by mundane, conventional
effects as "blindsangamon" correctly points out.
• Sorry for being so terse with you folks, but it is very annoying to
watch so many people do harm to the cause by spouting off without
really having a grasp of conventional ElectroMagnetics. Both amateur's
like in these videos, and indeed a large percentage of the armchair
critics populating these lists! Do your homework before putting foot
in mouth!

• There's a few rational voices out there, blindsangamon being one,
and most of you then deride these voices with nonsense and blind
faith!
• here's a simplified protocol for measuring a generator's complete
power balance:
• Pick or know the optimal final speed of the system. Use only this
shaft speed for all measurements.
• 1 Measure all parameters in a generator "no load" condition
including: 2 Friction alone, meaning with no magnets or mag fields
acting on the cores. 3 Then include the mag fields and measure the
input drag power (torque times angular velocity).
• The difference between 3 minus 2 is the core loss at no load.
• 4 Measure the DC resistance of all coils as they would be connected
in a loaded condition (i.e. series or parallel).
• 5 Load the generator at the same speed as the no load tests.
• 6 measure input power via torque times speed.
(Newton-meters times RPM times 0.1047 = shaft power in
watts)
• 7 measure True output electrical power. Not with
DMM's. but with appropriate True Power meters or analyzers.
• 8 measure coil current, and calculate coil's "Joule heating"
via I^2R.
• 9 measure and compare coil voltage compared to no load
voltage for a ratio with which to discount core loss.
• Then take the loaded input shaft power in watts as INPUT
to system.
• Against this Input, you add the following:
• a electrical output in watts
• b friction in watts
• c core loss via no load core loss times the voltage drop ratio
(so if no load core loss were 37 watts, and no load voltage was
125V and loaded voltage is 83V, then the ratio is 0.664. Multiply
0.664 times no load core loss of 37 watts to equal 24.57 watts
output core loss)
• d coil heating via I^2R
• Add up item a through d for the total system OUTPUT.
• Now divide Output by Input for your COP. (Coefficient of
Performance)
• Note friction, core loss and coil heat are legitimate outputs....
they heat the room! Useful output is an arbitrary distinction based
on subjective criteria. If you want shaft power then heat is not
useful. If however you want a heater, then shaft power is not
useful! So to know in the absolute sense if a thing is over unity
or not, you have to account for ALL outputs in a balance sheet.
• That's another pet peeve of mine - those who dismiss everything
they deem as "not useful"! Now suppose you had a system which
routinely produces 200% more heat output in coil heating and core
heating while it turns a shaft as in some newfangled motor. The
shaft power COP is only 35%, but overall the system is 200% gainful.
These persons I refer to would dismiss this as not being useful
because the shaft power is under unity!
• When in fact a home heating system would require a heat
exchange mechanism to get heat from your machine to the air,
thus it requires a pump - moving air or water or both. So you could
make "use" of both the excess heating and the shaft power from
said system!
• My point is at these early stages it is imperative that you
measure all aspects even if you may "think" they aren't useful.
For complete energy balances and because overunity may not
come in the form you wish it to!

 BroMikey 02-07-2016 01:15 AM

In Thane Heins Patents he cites prior art and also uses the
name of a device that was another man's name for using
lenz law to assist rotor torque.

"THE INFINITY MOTOR" remember?:)

Again a motor that AUL Accelerates Under Load.

His name is Mark Wesling Mark: weslingm@msn.com

 BroMikey 02-09-2016 10:28 AM

Testing for ReGenerative (ReGenX) acceleration using a wood
rotor.

 BroMikey 02-14-2016 01:16 AM

Here is another example of AUL Acceleration Under Load
using a monopole Motor and high impedance Generator
coils. Whenever we have made Bedini coils following
instructions we use a set length of 130 feet of twisted
wire and if the generator coil length instruction is
followed, you end up with a much bigger coil. It dawned
on me that John bedini has been Accelerating his monopoles
under loaded conditions using the high impedance generator
coils, just like we see with the Thane Heins approach.

It is my belief that John Bedini explains things differently
than does Thane Heins but both are operating the same
principle to extra energy.

If anyone remembers how that the generator coils were
much longer and thinner wire. This means that the more
power that is extracted (To a Point) from the generator coils
the more the rotor accelerates and the more energy is
generated for output. It's been right under our noses
all of the time and because very few people followed through
with adding generator coils, little information is available
on the similar effects Thane is reporting.

Notice the 3 generator coils in the video.

http://flyer.thenetteam.net/ThaneH/BediniAUL.jpg

 BroMikey 02-14-2016 08:04 AM

7 years ago Thane did these tests and these video's are
no longer present on his channel.

 BroMikey 03-05-2016 11:16 PM

Thanks Christian

Quote:
 Originally Posted by lorinrandone (Post 286624) hello everyone my name is Cristian Alba, and I'm the same of the thread >>Magnet Motor revelation< <. Today I bring my research on the effect commented on this thread. Few expenses, with common materials by hand of any people here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjoav6SwFvg and here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_Z...ature=youtu.be please comment. Best regard.

 BroMikey 03-31-2016 07:04 AM

I would like to point out that I am a beginner in the
regenx work of Thane Heins. Also that no one has ever
pointed out an important detail needed to replicate
Thanes coils.

This shows me how little effort has been put forth
by what we call serious experimenters.

First a picture of type 2 HTS wire called for by the
construction details and secondly the words from the patent.

Hopefully this can show us why all of the test data offered
by those who claim adept status in the art continue to
confirm only failing results.

This information is critical and equal to the type of core
materials used to produce the effects.

If anyone has a source for 2G HTS wire we could all get
to work with the proper stuff. Bifilars wound parallel
connected series is no problem but let's use the right wire.

http://wpcore.wpe.s3.amazonaws.com/w...at-2nd-gen.jpg

Because Type II High Temperature Superconducting Wire/Coils
are employed there is no resistance in the wire and no loss of
output due to the windings resistance in the exterior coils.

Image 2 details what magnitudes and directions of torques are
produced within the generator.

The calculations show that by changing either the magnetic
field strength B, or the length of the outer coil L, o the length
of the lever are 3 or 4, the complimentary toque produced at
the outer coil can be greatly affected and utilized to negate
not only the negative emf’s but resistance in the bearings
and the wire if a conventional generator design is utilized,
i.e., copper or silver wire.

 BroMikey 03-31-2016 08:12 PM

It is also important to note that the direct drive wind turbine
axial motor/generators not only use advanced core materials
but use the G2 HTS Motor WIre.

Here is the beginning for required reading to get started
with any practical application.

For those of you who have followed Thane Heins know that
in at least one of his presentations Thane used a technician
for a demonstration to show a corporation some progress.

In the video the operator had some powerful heating of
the REGENX coils. The wire coils are made from HTS A.K.A.
HIGH TEMP SUPERCONDUCTOR materials. During this episode
a wide range of functions were shown, such as regen/braking
and other configurations for that review.

HIGH TEMP wire that is a SUPERCONDUCTING material has
been offered in the past in the from of copper wire plated
with silver then a teflon coating.

Other forms that are less expensive have emerged.

Look back in the record in Thanes videos and you will
see his coils were wound with teflon insulated wire.

Thane has not come out and written all of the details
on anyone persons forehead thereby given away years
of work in a single expose, instead has sprinkled many
bread crumbs for those of us who follow in his foot steps.

Many other variations exist on out into infinity but unless
a single experiment can be thoroughly researched/ properly
following direction all of the other unlimited possibilities
will probably not be realized either.

http://
www.superpower-inc.com/system/files/2011_0225+Barcelona+Wind+Seminar_Selva.pdf

http://www.superpower-inc.com/content/hts-
materials-technology

AMSC

http://www2.egr.uh.edu/~vselvama/Pro.../Project_1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-N5mC2Ff7N0...wire_group.jpg

 Iamnuts 03-31-2016 08:58 PM

Nice to see Thane's working at 77k.

 BroMikey 03-31-2016 09:09 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Iamnuts (Post 287329) Nice to see Thane's working at 77k.
What is 77,000 for? \$\$\$???

 bistander 04-01-2016 12:16 AM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by BroMikey (Post 287330) What is 77,000 for? \$\$\$???
I think he meant 77K.

 BroMikey 04-01-2016 07:07 AM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Iamnuts (Post 287329) Nice to see Thane's working at 77k.
For the book worms 77k relates to QUANTUM EFFICIENCIES
This value being directly related to super conductor processes.
Thane has not confirmed any of these facts for me other than
Thane has all of details listed in his patents.

4 Permanent magnets; M1, M2, M3, m4
4 Type II High Temperature Superconducting Wire and
Coils C1, C2, C3, C4

As the inner coil C1 and C2, rotates around magnets
M1 and M2, a current is induced in the wire/coil.

According to Lenz’s Law an electromagnetic force is
produced around the wire/coil which acts to stop the
rotating action as shown in Figure 1.0 by Force 1 and
Force 2 (The Conservation of Energy).

The inner coil C1 and C2, which is surrounded by
magnets M1 and M2, dictates the magnitude and
direction of current flow, which in turn is determines

 BroMikey 04-01-2016 08:24 AM

Reading the patent to understand coil construction.

The REGENX coil and the BI-Toroid coils are 3X-5X longer
than a conventional motor coil. This affects resistance
and since we know that the goal is to store voltage
by using a greater length of wire to lower losses 2g hts wire
or copper conductors (Wire) plated with silver or nickel
will lower resistance.

Winding configurations also play a part to lower resistance.

In comparison to the conventional coil design which employs large gauge windings with the aim of minimizing resistive losses within the coil (q.v.) the ReGen-X coil can use relatively small gauge wire, and this leads to many more turns being used in a ReGen-X coil than in a conventional coil. A consequence of this design characteristic is to raise the inductance of the coil so that above a certain frequency the current flow is delayed until TDC while the self-induced capacitance is increased. The high inductance, high impedance, high DC resistance variant of the ReGen-X coil produces a large repelling magnetic field and useful increases of kinetic energy and motive force into the system but they do not deliver much useable electrical energy because it is primarily consumed by the high DC resistance of the coil itself.
[0101]
The same “acceleration under load” effects can be achieved equally well by employing the bi-filar coils as previously described without requiring small gauge wire, or a large turns ratio. This IP variation provides large additions of positive motive force/kinetic energy into the system with useable electrical power being delivered to a load.

For example, an inductor often acts as though it includes a parallel capacitor, because of its closely spaced windings. When a potential difference exists across the coil, wires lying adjacent to each other at different potentials are affected by each other's electric field. They act like the plates of a capacitor, and store charge. Any change in the voltage across the coil requires extra current to charge and discharge these small ‘capacitors’. When the voltage changes only slowly, as in low-frequency circuits, the extra current is usually negligible, but when the voltage changes quickly the extra current is larger and can be significant.

The coil of the present invention operates at a higher frequency than conventional coils, with coils of higher inductance and, in some embodiments, employs parallel wound series connected bi-filar windings which increase coil impedance and self-induced capacitance by 200% or more.

Connecting the bi-filar coil into a series wound coil increases the coil's self induced capacitance and changes the on-load characteristics (when operated above the minimum critical frequency) from a counter-electromotive-torque producing coil to a complementary-electromotive-torque producing coil which accelerates the system rather than decelerating it.

 bistander 04-01-2016 11:14 AM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by BroMikey (Post 285781) In 1987, materials were discovered that exhibited superconducting properties at temperatures as high as 90 K. This class of materials was called High Temperature Superconductors or HTS. While this is still very cold, it was a significant breakthrough. These materials could now be cooled by liquid nitrogen which is much easier to work with, more readily available without supply issues and, most importantly, considerably cheaper than liquid helium.
Do you ever read what you post?

 BroMikey 04-01-2016 06:41 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by bistander (Post 287339) Do you ever read what you post?
No I have not read ALL of the material, DID YOU?

I can tell you this, "YOUR HONOR" that superconductor
processing has evolved beyond the history you read, since 1987.

The point is not about who is the most knowledgeable
about "SUPERCONDUCTOR" designs for cost effective
or observed the experiments and writing of one Thane Heins
who replicators claim they have followed exhaustively.

I am not a superconductor scientist but if I was I would'nt
be able to relay everything with a simple figure such as "90K"

Can you be more specific? Do you have a source for a 1987
design for these special conductors? That would be practical.

Here is what I have done. I bought some silver plated wire
also teflon insulation of solid copper that qualifies as G2 HTS wire.

 bistander 04-01-2016 07:09 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by BroMikey (Post 287340) I can tell you this, "YOUR HONOR" that superconductor processing has evolved beyond the history you read, since 1987. ..... Can you be more specific? Do you have a source for a 1987 design for these special conductors?
It was your quote from this very page, 8 weeks ago. Ask yourself these questions.

And why in the world do you think silver coated copper is a superconductor? And what does Teflon insulation have to do with it?

 bistander 04-03-2016 05:10 AM

77k

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroMikey (Post 287340)
Quote:
 Originally Posted by bistander (Post 287339) Do you ever read what you post?
No I have not read ALL of the material, DID YOU?

Not all but I did read post #33; the one from which I lifted your quote which I used in post #55, the one to which you just replied. After I pointed that out to you and asked you a question here:
Quote:
 Originally Posted by bistander (Post 287345) It was your quote from this very page, 8 weeks ago. Ask yourself these questions. And why in the world do you think silver coated copper is a superconductor?
I get no reply from you but notice you instead join discussion on another thread and suggest G2 HTS to thedude, here:
Quote:
 Originally Posted by BroMikey (Post 287368) WOW great progress DUDE:thumbsup: Ultra fast diodes? G2 HTS wire?
You still don't get it, do you? HTS stands for High Temperature Superconductor. High Temperature is relative. In this case it is relative to absolute zero. Or 4K to be more accurate. The temperature for LTS. K stands for Kelvin. 4K = -269ºC = 452ºF below zero (not counting wind chill). This requires liquid helium. Nitrogen boils at 77K and can be used in its liquid state for G2 HTS. That is -196ºC. I was about to mention this when another member beat me to it with post #50 here:
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Iamnuts (Post 287329) Nice to see Thane's working at 77k.

I guess you never did bother to read what you apparently copied and pasted (without noting the actual source) in your post #33 which appears to be a decent description of HTS. The diagram you posted in #48 (without credit to source) shows silver plated copper outer layers. This material is not the superconducting material but used for other reasons to stabilize and protect the micrometer thick film of HTS. Afterall if it is a zero resistance material, how thick does it need to be to conduct enormous current? But take note that your copper/silver wire is not HTS.
Quote:
 Originally Posted by BroMikey (Post 287340) Here is what I have done. I bought some silver plated wire also teflon insulation of solid copper that qualifies as G2 HTS wire.

 BroMikey 04-03-2016 06:05 AM

You are an insulting person and far from fully
informed. You are an intelligent clown. To engage
conversation with you only shows that you love to
pick a fight, to show your buttox.

I am sure you are not after peace or tranquility in any
way shape or form. You will get the same in return, boy.

waiting for the rest of your pack members to chime in

You have shown a track record of continued harassment
and have offered nothing, answered nothing, proven nothing
have no experiments, no device, only elevated mental rants
out into who knows where.

For the sake of others who may want to engage in discussion
in a sane format I address you as the person you project.

Adolescent. I wouldn't mind speaking to a younger man who
shows respect. With respect to the facts you are addressing
I would have to say that a superconductor is a conductor
such as a copper wire that has been improved in it's ability
to conduct.

Yes many definitions of what a superconductor are continually
evolving with each new process but unless you are going to
experiment your comment can only be speculation.

Many forms of energy exist beyond what JOHNNIE is taught in
schools so for instance a conductor such as a copper wire
coated with tin will improved the coppers ability to conduct
ENERGY not electricity and in essence qualifies as a
superconductor.

The latest forms and processes will be obsolete in a short time
and are therefore only a small picture of what constitutes a
superconductor.

Whether or not I understand all of the intricate details of
the latest processes at 77k are irrelevant. This does not
get the REGENX built.

The basic definition is to improve a conductors ability to
pass energy at a lowered resistance as compared to a solid
piece of plain materials.

3D printing may offer some new forms and list will continue.

I am not going to ignore you completely, just most of what
you say is not worth reading or thinking on. You are a hateful
person who does not like himself and for this I will hope that
better days will come for you.

Show some respect and you will command respect, this is how
you would know this. You are a perfect example of emotional
conflict and feel it is your RIGHT to attack all of those whom

This is very sad, not just for us but for you.

out this figure and I am not surprised YOU chimed in when he
Talks because you did that before. It is my belief that you are TOO>

I will answer you to correct your poor manners but how can you
you? Nobody likes that.

Yeah I get it look at this motor :sshh: Class is not out yet.

http://www.cca08.com/pdf/
presentations/1A-07-HAYASHI.pdf

HTS Coils - Custom Products - HTS-110 Ltd.

http://www.istec.or.jp/web21/pdf/13_10/E-all.pdf

 bistander 04-03-2016 08:59 AM

77k

You still have not answered the question of why you think the silver, copper and Teflon wire you bought qualifies as a G2 HTS.

Thanks for the references. Quite a lot happening at 77K.

 wantomake 04-03-2016 02:05 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by bistander (Post 287379) You still have not answered the question of why you think the silver, copper and Teflon wire you bought qualifies as a G2 HTS. Thanks for the references. Quite a lot happening at 77K.
Bistander,
I missed something, what is 77K ? I missed the reference to this term or site.

wantomake

 bistander 04-03-2016 03:09 PM

77k

Quote:
 Originally Posted by wantomake (Post 287380) Bistander, I missed something, what is 77K ? I missed the reference to this term or site. Thanks for your help, wantomake
Hi wantomake,

Sorry, I tried to detail it out best I could with references to the exact posts. But in a nutshell: BM for some reason thinks and seemingly infers that Thane Heins is using superconducting technology, specifically G2-HTS. I have been following his work for a while and suspect it is not the case. I was about to say something when another member chimed in and commented that it was nice to see Thane working at 77k. BM hasn't a clue to what that means even though several of his posts as recent as a few months ago on this thread contain detailed explanations of it. He thinks 77k means \$77,000.

77K (-196ºC) is the temperature at which liquid nitrogen boils. To use G2-HTS one must cool the conductors to 77K. This is much higher (although still very cold) than the near absolute zero temperature needed for superconducting requiring liquid helium, which is far more expensive than liquid nitrogen. BM also claims he has bought some G2-HTS wire. It is obvious to me and I suspect to member Iamnuts that BM has no clue so we are calling him on it. That's all.

bi

 wantomake 04-03-2016 06:20 PM

Truth

Thanks bi,
Ok. Liquid nitrogen is way beyond my understanding at this point.

If I may jabber a bit. I was a educator in Japan for five years. But only to fill a position that the school had. Upfront i informed the school of my education level. At the time was pursuing a BA in asian studies. But the American teachers are few in Japan so they asked to teach plus attend college at the same time.

The facility knew my education level and helped me along. I learned to not be something above your knowledge level. Those around you will spot your knowledge and at times point it out. Especially this type of higher education level. I've been studying and trying to replicate here for six years and not ashamed my lack of knowledge. But some will post above their heads and others do notice. I'm 61 and just starting to learn and want-to-make as many free energy devices as possible.

Stating all that I can't agree or disagree professionally here. But I think Thane Heins ideas are worth the conversation and study. I've been following his work as much as possible. I can't build TH coils yet. Trying with smaller motors is my method, but to no avail.

Sorry for the long babbling. But the sad conclusion for this forum is the lack of passionate teachers to start a new thread with good organizational steps to follow. There are a few good ones. Ufopolitics, Turion, Madmack had step by step instructions. To name a few I followed.

But just my thoughts and opinions,
wantomake

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