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I got a couple PM's from MadMack. He is out of the hospital. He said NOT to continue with the PM motor work. He has a better design he has come up with, and will be sharing soon. You might pass that along on the other thread.
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Jeeeesss, i am glad i haven't cast those forks yet.

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GlenWV, i dont get what are you heading to, reading your post... I would humbly advice you to write it for yourself clear I did that mistake, eager to start building something, excited of the posts in the already locked thread... It could spare you lots of time if you rethink it more. Probably first answer yourself honestly: What are you expecting?
Greetings:

Thanks for the very good advice. I appreciate it. The 'writing it out' part is good.

I need to print a few more patents out and that part will be done.

While my ex-window motor is in the machine shop, I plan on reading, and re-reading, the material presented in this thread, Aln's material from ESF, and the material from OU.

Erfinder's videos got downloaded this evening, so I'll go over those carefully and see what can be gleaned.

Now, the ex-window motor is going to need basic field coils no matter what. I have 9 or 10 strands of #20 gauge, or 22 gauge wire that I'm going to untangle and use for those fields.

My first thought was to wind each of the field coils with one strand .....
Then, I got to thinking about using multiple strands.....
Then, I got to wondering about how many strands per field coil.

Using, let's say 4 strands per field coil, opens the possibility of using a couple for energy recovery.

The possibilities are endless, so if you have advice to share, I am a guy who will listen.

What I am expecting is to build a machine which I will get to know by fiddling with it. Trying a little this, and a little that, I hope to see usable output for little cost.

Then, the thing will be to grow the output while lowering the cost.

Again, I appreciate your interest.

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Greetings:

Thanks for the very good advice. I appreciate it. The 'writing it out' part is good.
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Erfinder's videos got downloaded this evening, so I'll go over those carefully and see what can be gleaned.
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The possibilities are endless, so if you have advice to share, I am a guy who will listen.

What I am expecting is to build a machine which I will get to know by fiddling with it. Trying a little this, and a little that, I hope to see usable output for little cost.

Then, the thing will be to grow the output while lowering the cost.

Again, I appreciate your interest.

glen
Hi Glenn,
I meant to write the most important thing you expect on high level, as (just examples):
1. Free energy generator ...
2. Efficient motor ...
3. Educational tool for research of ...

Going directly into a specific mechanical topology without high level targets will put you in the middle of (as you mentioned) endless possibilities and will prevent you by definition of the general target (if you have such)

About patents and Erfinder's videos - yes watch them very carefully and they could help you in definition of your main or important priorities... The patent he quoted few post above is really going to give you an answer about main priorities, although the patent itself doesn't give practical solution but just high level claims and descriptions

If the targets include the free energy generator, i would advice you to consider very carefully whether you can figure it out on your own or you will need specific support, which i am not qualified to provide you, but you know who to contact.

If your main goal is just to educate yourself without targeting a speciffic result, you can go in any direction, you feel is right (in this direction the terms are very stretchy IMO) ...

Good luck,
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I got a couple PM's from MadMack. He is out of the hospital. He said NOT to continue with the PM motor work. He has a better design he has come up with, and will be sharing soon. You might pass that along on the other thread.
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Great news!!!
Thanks Dave for sharing this here. I totally lost track of the subject matter here. Hope Mack gets well.

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Tesla Correspondence Scherff 2 0146-0147-0148-0149-0150

Sorry posted in wrong thread. Thanks

Michel

P.S. This thread needs a little clean up. Too much bickering going on, the spirit of the search for the basic coil is lost in unrelated statements.

Gotoluc, great work... Many thanks for your efforts.
erfinder, I have much respect for your achievements and contributions here and at OU but you should move on if you are done stating your position on sharing knowledge..

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you should not assume so much about Lucs path ...
and possible direction, However you should know there will be no secrets
and you should be aware that business will not be the focus.

there is much talent involved here and many dots being connected [people dots].

Towards the same goal !

And as Erfinder is quite upset about Peeps running to the patent office [first]
as he went out of his way to "cut off" Romero UK the other day at Ou.com when Romero was mentioning a solid state path !!
with A "PATENT" fear comment .

I get it now !!

yes there are fellows that play Poker together in smoke filled rooms with these techs ,telling themselves that they can do "it"
get the Patent reward and so on and so on....

good luck with that fellows !!

I must add
these men that work for the patent have to justify all the time and money they spend to family and persons around them
they must hold up the "its for us and our Future" comment !
I get that ...its just the price here is too high for just you and your families...

I have the same problem in my life with my time and my explanation to those in my family...

a big issue I can assure you !



IMO
Patents are a trap

Never hand a man a stick to beat you with !!

the Patent mouse trap is always set for a true Free energy [perspective] device...





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HHMmmm
not even a case of I'll show you mine if you show me yours??

Just .....show me yours ...NOW ....Tick tock Tick tock ....??

Does that work for you often ?

barbosi ,it may be a language barrier ,or cultural ? or just plain "entitlement issues"
or a misunderstanding ??

?

what have you built that escapes the grasp of "groundhog day" ?

normally I would of course not have to ask this question however My crystal ball is in the shop ?
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You two felt that the reason Luck showed that coil shorting Vid with acceleration was to
Light the way ??


Not to put it to bed ??

I thought that was made c!ear ?

You two are pointing ....it would seem.. to an enlightened path .
And speaking of community ?

That sounds Great !!

The floor is yours !!

Quite sincerely

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and barbosi if your intuition is telling you there is truly interest here

I would have to agree.
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Not sure who his majesty is or many other things you are saying

It is true that the more serious amongst our group hunt in the LENR ,electrostatic ,Magnetic
NMR etc etc etc
And also the gravitational field
And yes .... Many EE's and scientists ....too

Not sure where you got just two...from day one it was more than two 7 years or so ago

However the ten foot pole comes out when patents are on the table
Peter is passionate about open source and covers all expenses to run his forum



Its Family Day here (or trying to be

This is good to do , Grievances and adjustments ...

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This was posted on my youtube video and though of posting it here as it is the way I see the effect at this time.

Posted by deslomeslager 3 hours ago
First of all: nice build as usual! And thank you for sharing. I watched it with pleasure, and hope to see the next one soon. I think of the rod as a piece of elastic band. And the prime mover as an up-down shifting device as an analogy). The coil is the 'closed end' for the standing waves. As you move the coil you are actually shortening the piece of elastic band (or cord, perhaps it should not be elastic at all). I hope the analogy stands for a bit. What it does not explain or what is not in proportion is about the phase shift. There will be a point where the emf will help rotating the prime mover. On the other hand, if the closed end of a cord is changed in an open end, the amplitude can go to twice it's maximum value since there is a returning wave which adds up. Is this a bad comparison?

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I'm thinking of the core more like water. The magnet flux, like a wave on the water. The wave is first created by the magnets movement which moves through the core like a wave on water. The coil represent an obstacle to the wave. So if it's close to the beginning of the core the coil reflects the wave back to the magnet which happens to be the same pole the wave was created causing a braking effect to the magnets movement (Lenz Law). Now move the coil back far enough on the core and by the time the wave hits the coil and reflected back to the magnet, the magnet may have had enough time to rotate to the next pole (opposite) which will cause an attraction (acceleration) which is the reverse of Lenz.
As for why different coils cause different result is caused by the coils time constant (charge time) which will dictate on how much time it take for the wave to be reflected back the magnet.
Also, another variable is, If the coil is under load at the same time, this will dictate on how much of the waves force will be reflected back to the magnet, hence reducing its capability of assisting.

I would tend to think the most efficient energy transfer (using this effect) would be to adjust it so the time constant and load completely absorbs the wave and nothing is returned which will cause no lost in magnet movement and no gain.

Now, to say there are no losses to the magnets movement would not be completely correct, as we know Eddy currents in water cause losses and are also present in the core material. However, using the newest technology in thin core material will alleviate much of these losses.
Hope this helps. Luc

Luc,
I'm new to FE and do want to learn more. Therefore thanks for the great analogy and dumbing it down for me. Have been studying your YouTube vids and replicating various projects as I can. Being 61 it's hard to think of a EE degree or such. Evolving from teacher to FE hobbyists has created a solar powered shop and enthusiasm among family and friends. Trying many coil and core setups. To find any AUL will be a great experience for me. Thanks again.

Turion,
I went back to page #1 to get a new appreciation of your purpose for starting this thread. Would be great if the focus remained there.

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Here is the problem, the great work was done 100+ years ago and yet, we cheer our ground hog day as the dawn of a new day. We need to move on!

And speaking of moving on....


I got stuck in this thought that actually, we are not moving on.... erfinder said he would love to... He said he would share his thoughts if we could put him into position of doing so, by asking pertinent questions. (and what we are doing? we don't have pertinent questions and yet we have prefect solutions, and perfected variations of them, and so on)

I will try to ask erfinder (for any of us) a few questions, apparently futile:
  1. What is EMF?
  2. What is CEMF?
  3. What is the difference between the two?
  4. What is the common denominator of the two?
I know the communication may seem difficult, but in your first grade learning the alphabet was easier? How about addition and subtractions? Yet it was you then, and now the same person may experience the same mental driven hardness. It's the same you at a different period in time. It is ok to do some mistakes. An answer will eventually reveal a childish error, but without questioning, there will be no answers. And I'm not encouraging you to ask erfinder over and over all the questions you may have. He is a mere mortal like us. But as he suggested, in time you will dare to ask all the questions to yourselves. This is called thinking. And if I could call for a reference to my help, I would refer to THE PROBLEM OF INCREASING HUMAN ENERGY

Regards.

PS: I won't be surprised if instead of an answer, erfinder will ask back to us a question that will make each of us to put our noodles at work. Also, I won't be surprised clowns to show up. There are everywhere, look at our/your leaders.
Hi Barbosi,

Yes, please make us move on... from basic coil to electricity and its properties...

Wait.... What is the basic coil? (... in a motor, solenoid, generator, etc)

What are its physical properties? Core size VS diameter VS Length . (... in a motor, solenoid, generator, etc) I only saw once in an old magazine the recommended ratios as applied to a solenoid.

And what of the composition of the basic coil? wire size, length, positioning and method of winding.

Since as you want me to believe the coil is something we don't need to revisit, I beg of you to enlighten my path.

Just asking....

Take care,

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tell us... since you made it clear you obviously know better.

Then show us you're the real stuff

Expecting to be impressed

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Hi Barbosi,

I read carefully and here is my take on it:


- First I did not asked why we were here so where does that come from: "I will try to explain what I expect from this open discussion,"

- And I did not ask about Lenz Law governing the speed of a motor (rpm) (If you feel like explaining which question it relates to?)

- And I did not ask you to take up on reading copyright free magazines relating to Tesla, Marconi, and others.

- And I did not asked you to mend fences as I erected none.


I just asked specific questions so we all start on the same footing (according to what you expect from these open discussions).

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making deals with the business men

here I brought you a movie to watch during intermission, to Give the
private developers of business Models perspective !
Oh it runs itself with significant gain and there are NO BATTERIES !!

a repost from OU.com

here IT. Self Powering Motor

Tinsel
You are witnessing a Con in this Vid ,Thieves trying to steal from Terry ...* Added SOME LIFE LONG FRIENDS and associates too]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlHIA2HWJXw

the very ugly side of humanity ![he was unaware at the time]

@Brad
The power input for a few seconds has been explained ,the Pony can't get it where it has to be to run
and the drive motor is being Baby'd and not abused by just smoking it up to speed on the mains from a standstill.

once running close to speed with the Pony it gets plugged in to bring it the rest of the way
then unplugged [after the wrestling match with other components]

then it does what it does forever with no input whatsoever ..[ while running a significant load ]
IT is a work in progress ....

I just wanted to clear that up

Oh and Tinsel, he doesn't need any help testing....


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I suggest you create a new thread since these F***ing idiots have hijacked this one with their endless bla bla and trash videos…

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I suggest you create a new thread since these F***ing idiots have hijacked this one with their endless bla bla and trash videos…

Mario
You wont moderate a thread this way, you will only inflame those you disrespect. Use the ignore function and that will clean the thread for you.

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...now about this coil thingie....

.....we'll start with a 'Beggism':
"The main things are the plain things, and the plain things are the main things."

Having printed Erfinder's early posts from OU.com and the patents referred to there, I started reading what the man said.

What did the man say in those first few posts? What was he trying to get people to see? What does he harp on and hammer in?

Reminded me of the Gabriel Kron stuff that Bedini has posted.
Reminded me of Dave's 3BGS motor running on potential difference. (I don't have the schematic here, so I'm going from memory.)

This is just getting started, I'm sure there's more in there. Had to stop and ponder a bit on how that material could be applied to the coils on the former window motor when it gets home from the machine shop.

Twas supper time, too.

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.....we'll start with a 'Beggism':
"The main things are the plain things, and the plain things are the main things."

Having printed Erfinder's early posts from OU.com and the patents referred to there, I started reading what the man said.

What did the man say in those first few posts? What was he trying to get people to see? What does he harp on and hammer in?

Reminded me of the Gabriel Kron stuff that Bedini has posted.
Reminded me of Dave's 3BGS motor running on potential difference. (I don't have the schematic here, so I'm going from memory.)

This is just getting started, I'm sure there's more in there. Had to stop and ponder a bit on how that material could be applied to the coils on the former window motor when it gets home from the machine shop.

Twas supper time, too.

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Stop!

I can speak for myself.

I don't need you nor anyone to interpret my posts. When a person knows what they want, and understands what I'm offering, they can ask me direct!

Interpretations of my posts will get you no where.

The OU posts are old! If you are really interested in what I have to say, if you are really interested in comprehending where I am now, and what this whole rant is about, then stay in the now, that's where I am. If you want to see what I see, then do what is necessary to see what I claim to see, otherwise, drop this subject and give your attention to one who has something that can be easily replicated.

It's clear I am wasting my time and that of the community, so I removed myself from the discussion. Do not waste your time trying to interpret my posts here and elsewhere, it would be a complete waste of your time, nothing and I do mean nothing will come of that effort. I was here ready to participate in a serious discussion which never happened. I am no longer interested in a discussion. Those who want more will have to pay, it seems that folks only take things serious when they want it enough to pay for it.


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The Tesla patent and the JLN tests (DLE 18-20) speak to me thusly: it is not just "how much", but "when".

To me, this

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=p...s/US524426.pdf

says that the electrical field in the 4 coils travel much faster than the (induced) magnetic fields in the cores. By tuning the length of the cores, it is possible to make all of the N's arrive at the same time at the 4 poles of the rotor.

AUL is just a subset of this effect.

Lenz' Law is just a subset of this effect.

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hi all. has anyone seen or tried building a generator with 3 elements. we automatically think of motors and generators as having 2 elements. a rotor and a stator, so it is written. but could there be some merit in a 3 element design, think something like a torque converter, or a planetary gear set, but with a mechanically driven central rotor with magnets, around that spins a freewheeling multi core/winding with slip rings for output, then outside that is a stator ring of magnets, as an example of 1 possible layout. maybe if some coil currents are switched on and off at times when there is a motor action on the freewheeling element, by the fixed stator, such that it is driven to turn/ or at least pushed, in the opposite direction to the driven rotor, efficiency gains might be found somehow , as an example of 1 possible strategy to try.
all conjecture and harder to engineer than 2 elements, but maybe something to consider.
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hi all. has anyone seen or tried building a generator with 3 elements. we automatically think of motors and generators as having 2 elements. a rotor and a stator, so it is written. but could there be some merit in a 3 element design, think something like a torque converter, or a planetary gear set, but with a mechanically driven central rotor with magnets, around that spins a freewheeling multi core/winding with slip rings for output, then outside that is a stator ring of magnets, as an example of 1 possible layout. maybe if some coil currents are switched on and off at times when there is a motor action on the freewheeling element, by the fixed stator, such that it is driven to turn/ or at least pushed, in the opposite direction to the driven rotor, efficiency gains might be found somehow , as an example of 1 possible strategy to try.
all conjecture and harder to engineer than 2 elements, but maybe something to consider.
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Could draw an example of what you thought it would look like? Including its actions?

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sure matt. i think the concentric approach would have an imbalance,some assymetry regarding forces on the freewheeling element,based on different radiuses, and the linear style would be 50/50 if the setups at both ends are identical, the expectation then being that the free element would rotate at around half the driven input speed.
take the scheme on the left. if the driven central element is going clockwise, then the lenz effect causes a mechanical push on the free element in a clockwise direction.but it would appear that the lenz effect reaction from the outer stator is mechanically pushing the free element in the counter clockwise direction, so i'm wondering if it's possible to manipulate the lenz effect, an electrical effect, or otherwise make gains, when you split the mechanical effect and make it cancel or greatly reduce itself.
it's probably nuthin new or special and may well lead nowhere.
I just thought it might be worth some people out there mentally exploring the idea. conceptualize as many magnets and coiled cores and slip rings as you like, or think about different layouts.
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