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Old 01-13-2016, 10:11 AM
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The goal for some is acceleration, its not mine either, acceleration is an effect associated with properly configured systems. Some refuse to recognize that there is an upper limit to this effect. To make matters worse, they refuse to see that the dropping of input is "THE" indication that CEMF is increasing, and not in a beneficial manner.... Folks worshiping this concept are saying basically that they don't want this effect in their motors, but, its OK if its in the generator?!?

There is a difference between tearing itself apart and tearing itself apart. My method is resonance. I am not just dealing with a simple phase shift. I am moving from a condition of parallel LC resonance into series LC resonance. My machine is a Mag Amp. One where impulse currents and alternating currents are combined and related in such a manner that the two augment each other.


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My device is far from perfect, while there is little BEMF in the powered field coil there is inevitably some in the armature. The BEMF that would have been in the powered field coil is now in the output coil as a forward EMF or generated current.

When current is drawn from this generator coil the motor accelerates giving even more generated current. This is the opposite to a normal motor generator setup and I refer to this action as self compensating as the motor rises to the load. Yes there is an upper limit to the effect and the output is always less than the input but i have narrowed the gap.

The transformer action is not the same as the generator action, the generation is totally conventional. The transformer action, when properly phased occurs in the same place, at the same time as the generation. The trick is getting it in the same direction and this can be done.

At this point we have one input and two outputs, one generated and the other induced like a transformer. I think this is similar to what you are talking about. Efficiency is higher because we have only one iron loss and one friction loss and one copper loss.

Im sure resonance will be a factor too but as of now i haven't achieved the speed to get the desired frequency successfully but you can hear it trying, sort of a waa wa wa wa waaaa sound as the speed goes up.

In truth my device isnt a motor at all, its a self exciting generator and the topography of the generator causes rotation at the same time and place as the generation. The powered field coil is simply an energizer as some would call it. It is self exciting because i feed the output of the generator into the powered field winding and armature in series with the load.

There are problems but no need to confuse people until they get the basic concept.
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Well whether or not you want to hear from me or not, I for one am grateful for what you have shown. It all of sudden makes sense of what you have discussed in the past. Without the visual past discussions sounded like fantasy, and there is a lot of that floating around.

And I understand your position on sharing, I have been there for a while on other things.

Again Thank You. Also I apologize for my behavior in the past.

I'll leave it alone now.

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Well, if this thread does nothing except get Matt and erfinder talking to each other, it will have accomplished something extremely valuable.
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Erfinder, thank you for detailed and valuable explanation. Much appreciated.
If I remember correct, John Bedinin used term "transformer" in reference to one (perhaps more than one) of his machines.
I just made another small rotor as you have shown and yes, I wanted to build this setup first time when you posted video ( a year or more ago) and I asked you some questions in PM. To me it isn't the same watching or listening and having device on my bench which I can work with and "feel it".

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I know it's not your cup of tea Erfinder, but the more of these demonstrations you do, the better at explaining what is going on in there you get.


I don't mind doing private consultations via Skype, I learn a lot, but I think by you doing these videos, more people can learn all at once. You are a good teacher whether you know it or not and you are getting better all the time. Your work in this specific area is second to none.

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I am looking for a serious audiance. I desire to exchange with serious researchers. Instead I am attacked when I just post text.....when I post a video..... crickets.....
In the link you will find a vague video demonstration of the effect you all want, acceleration under load. This time around, I show you that it can be done using one low resistance, low inductance coil operating at low frequency. You didn't listen to me the last time, when I posted a video of a two coil axial setup demonstrating the exact same thing, I doubt you will pay attention this time around either.

IF this is all you are looking for....heaven help you, acceleration under load is not the solution, not even close. The effect is a teaching instrument, you are supposed to be learning something, to find out what that is, I recommend you stop copying and pasting and start formulating and asking the proper questions.

https://vimeo.com/151417537


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Hey, I've been trying to view your videos and on this one get to 2:19 and the audio disappears and the picture doesn't change but the timer moves right along, is that on my end? MAybe I need to update something. Tried it a couple of times, same thing. Happens on the newer video too so I'll try some one else's computer tomorrow. Crickets on my end cause I am sponging it up, don't want to prove too foolish yet.

I see that the pain has not subsided from the "breakdown in communications" I am sorry to read that. I am as guilty as any for "copy and paste" I will try to be more engaged in discussion after I can view you new video's. Probably not to anyone's benefit. Aln
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Thanks for the vid. It was very interesting.
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Hi folks, and thanks for sharing what you have thus far erfinder.
I was going to get all deep with my reply, though i realize that is probably like oil and water.
So, here is my offering and this is to all humanity.
The pain one carries, is the love one withholds.
One can teach a man to fish and that will feed him for his life.
However, if this man has no knowledge of a fishing pole or the design and building of such a device, that teaching may be fruitless or take far longer to bear fruit.
And finally.
All humans are equal, if one suffers, all suffer at some point in time.
Let us try and rise above that suffering and wish the highest good of one and all.
Let us try and share freely, love freely and forgive freely, without condition.
Anything less, is just keeping that snowball of suffering going.
We each have a choice, regardless of what appears external to us.
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All very informative.
I pull generation out of my coils at the same time as they are motoring.
But I have so many different configurations to pull out the power , it's a very tedious task
Some show gain and some show loss.
Erfinder, I watched your last clip , I'm at a loss , I must be missing something, It sped up with greater amp draw, isn't that to be expected?
I use stored voltage in caps to fire my electro-magnets, so I don't know what kind of current is involved.
I am finding that the sequence in which the coils are powered and which bank of caps are discharged, makes a big difference, still trying to figure it out.
When I dump a cap bank it creates drive, which in turn causes generation,which replenishes the bank I just dumped.
Building switches is the hard part.
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Question Thane Heins

I was watching this video of Thane's and noticed a couple of things rather interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osYN5f35Bc

One of which is storage by means of an electrostatic field instead of an electromagnetic field.

He also mentions how the coils he uses only work within a specific range (critical minimum frequency).

Erfinder, does some of this hit home?

I know you and I have talked about capacity and that works for me. I'm just curious if Thane might be using terms that are not only incorrect, but unnecessary.
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E,

Back in the day, before we went nutz, you were showing me a system. You were/are light yrs ahead of me, so it was extremely difficult for me to understand. Is what your doing now, the same work? If so, are your transferring energy through the motoring side and capturing it on the other side/gen side? Then, when the gen bank fills up, senting that gen energy back through the motor to the side bank?


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I was watching this video of Thane's and noticed a couple of things rather interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osYN5f35Bc

One of which is storage by means of an electrostatic field instead of an electromagnetic field.

He also mentions how the coils he uses only work within a specific range (critical minimum frequency).

Erfinder, does some of this hit home?

I know you and I have talked about capacity and that works for me. I'm just curious if Thane might be using terms that are not only incorrect, but unnecessary.

Every coil, no matter how it is wound has two intrinsic inverse or reciprocal properties. Inductive / current / magnetic.... and .... Capacitive / voltage / electric.

When a frequency of electric, magnetic or electromagnetic impinges on the coil, the two aspects will react in two different ways. High frequencies will greatly "affect" the capacitive nature of the coil, low frequencies will greatly affect the inductive nature of the coil. At one particular frequency (the fundamental) they meet in agreement. At this frequency they both have the same "resistance" or impedance" they meet in harmony, equality, about an axis of symmetry etc. This line of equilibrium, fulcrum or whatever you want to call it is where the two inverse qualities meet in the realm of time (frequency). IF the coil was simply let to resonate (imagine a tuning fork) it would resonate at this frequency.

Turns out there are other frequencies of interest too, but the most interesting one, the most basic one etc, falls at the fundamental, the others are all variations on this.

Figure out how the most simple systems act, react, what the significance of each is. Then you can apply. Think of the progression of Euclids Elements, how do we construct a working model.
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Every coil, no matter how it is wound has two intrinsic inverse or reciprocal properties. Inductive / current / magnetic.... and .... Capacitive / voltage / electric.

When a frequency of electric, magnetic or electromagnetic impinges on the coil, the two aspects will react in two different ways. High frequencies will greatly "affect" the capacitive nature of the coil, low frequencies will greatly affect the inductive nature of the coil. At one particular frequency (the fundamental) they meet in agreement. At this frequency they both have the same "resistance" or impedance" they meet in harmony, equality, about an axis of symmetry etc. This line of equilibrium, fulcrum or whatever you want to call it is where the two inverse qualities meet in the realm of time (frequency). IF the coil was simply let to resonate (imagine a tuning fork) it would resonate at this frequency.

Turns out there are other frequencies of interest too, but the most interesting one, the most basic one etc, falls at the fundamental, the others are all variations on this.

Figure out how the most simple systems act, react, what the significance of each is. Then you can apply. Think of the progression of Euclids Elements, how do we construct a working model.
Hi Armagdn03,

It's been a while since I seen you post!

Nice that you dropped in

Always valued your video demos, views and information which my Resonant coils experiments were inspired by.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3x0xTqM_k

The coil used in the demo has 5.3 Ohms dc resistance and between 26 to 27mH at any point on the 1/2" round rod core.

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Update,

most who have been experiencing this AUL (acceleration under load) effect may of noticed it's easier to achieve it with a higher impedance coil (more turns) then a low impedance coil and also using higher rotor rpm = higher frequencies.
Many, including myself (2 years ago) would of thought the coils Inductance was part of the effect seeing it happened with higher impedance coils.
I have now confirm (to myself anyways) that the effect is not based on the coils Inductance by testing the super low impedance coil I showed in my video.
It's inductance is 16uH with a resistance that's so low, it's unmeasurable.
With this special wounding geometry coil I can achieve AUL with the magnet rotor as low as 35Hz which is a new record for me.
The great thing about being able to achieve AUL at a lower frequency is, drastic reduction of core losses caused by eddy currents and hysteresis.

Just thought I would share my new findings

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This was posted on my youtube video and though of posting it here as it is the way I see the effect at this time.

Posted by deslomeslager 3 hours ago
First of all: nice build as usual! And thank you for sharing. I watched it with pleasure, and hope to see the next one soon. I think of the rod as a piece of elastic band. And the prime mover as an up-down shifting device as an analogy). The coil is the 'closed end' for the standing waves. As you move the coil you are actually shortening the piece of elastic band (or cord, perhaps it should not be elastic at all). I hope the analogy stands for a bit. What it does not explain or what is not in proportion is about the phase shift. There will be a point where the emf will help rotating the prime mover. On the other hand, if the closed end of a cord is changed in an open end, the amplitude can go to twice it's maximum value since there is a returning wave which adds up. Is this a bad comparison?

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I'm thinking of the core more like water. The magnet flux, like a wave on the water. The wave is first created by the magnets movement which moves through the core like a wave on water. The coil represent an obstacle to the wave. So if it's close to the beginning of the core the coil reflects the wave back to the magnet which happens to be the same pole the wave was created causing a braking effect to the magnets movement (Lenz Law). Now move the coil back far enough on the core and by the time the wave hits the coil and reflected back to the magnet, the magnet may have had enough time to rotate to the next pole (opposite) which will cause an attraction (acceleration) which is the reverse of Lenz.
As for why different coils cause different result is caused by the coils time constant (charge time) which will dictate on how much time it take for the wave to be reflected back the magnet.
Also, another variable is, If the coil is under load at the same time, this will dictate on how much of the waves force will be reflected back to the magnet, hence reducing its capability of assisting.

I would tend to think the most efficient energy transfer (using this effect) would be to adjust it so the time constant and load completely absorbs the wave and nothing is returned which will cause no lost in magnet movement and no gain.

Now, to say there are no losses to the magnets movement would not be completely correct, as we know Eddy currents in water cause losses and are also present in the core material. However, using the newest technology in thin core material will alleviate much of these losses.
Hope this helps. Luc
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People.....wake up.....it's not about AUL.....
Yes, I agree and known that for a few years.
If you read my post below yours you will see that is not what I'm recommending to do with the effect.

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Now what?

You people took testing to a whole new level on the other forum, and got.....well the testing continues....please....no more testing....

You got years you say....what's it going to take to make this practical....what is practical in your opinion?


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To make a generator that when under load has no effect to its prime mover?
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Or better put, your sharing is only a confirmation on what was shared before regarding the acceleration under the load.

... just making sure there is no frivolous attempt to patent it ...

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Okay, what is practical in your opinion?
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Or better put, your sharing is only a confirmation on what was shared before regarding the acceleration under the load.

... just making sure there is no frivolous attempt to patent it ...

What I refer to as "NEW" is me doing a public video demonstration of the effects of moving the coil on a core with different loads.

I'm not into patents, so I don't get your remark... make me feel you are insinuating something you think I do.

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Okay, what is practical in your opinion?

I'm not positive about Erfinder, but I can tell you what I'd be impressed with:

A device, started with a pull string, that runs up to some predetermined RPM and stays constant. This device can be connected to a water pump via the shaft and the RPM will remain constant. The device also has electrical connections that can be connected to a heater element and will continue to maintain the same RPM and provide constant electrical power. Or you can do both electrical and mechanical at the same time. Call it an all-purpose power plant.


Erfinder highlighted something I think is really important:

"This can be done using a small amount of power from an external source providing voltage while the coil itself will add the amperage resulting a magnification process."

I partially understand it, but I think a little more verbiage will help nail it down. Where do we add this voltage and how?
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Technically Luc, you didn't answer my question.....
Well then, I guess we're going nowhere.

Sorry for taking everyone's time on sharing useless stuff that everyone seems to know.
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I'm not into patents, so I don't get your remark...
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=p.../US8555867.pdf
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I did not apply for that patent and obviously would not waste any money on such a thing.

Do you have any other evidence to prove what you are insinuating?

Remember, the one you got this information from has been proven to manipulate events and information (Eric Dollard fiasco) and lost much credibility over it.
The difference with me is I didn't bother exposing this and just walked away.

Who do you trust?... someone that sells books and videos for profit on secrets that are never revealed... or someone that has always freely shared and has never even activated advertizing (to profit) on his video?

Prove me wrong that I have patented or made a single cent with what I have shared over the years.

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You are repeating what you are already well versed in. If you want to continue in that direction then yeah, in my opinion, which shouldn't matter to you, you are going nowhere. On the other hand if you try to approach from the perspective of one who has nothing to prove, you might see that there is an entirely new world just waiting for you to explore, one where your scope will do nothing for you.

What is practical in your opinion?


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Well, you obviously know what I want and everyone else who are doing the hard work. The thing is, we are possibly not where you are. So do share to help us reach that place were we don't need a scope to see the results... or else, what's the point of telling use we are not seeing what we should be seeing if we can't see it?
Do you think telling us this over and over will help?
So far you haven't shared or made obvious anything I'm not aware of.
So if you're tired of the loop throw in something new.

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Okay... then tell us what you know

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I and I know many others appreciate what you do for all of us, Thank you and don't worry about the detractors.


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Well, you obviously know what I want and everyone else who are doing the hard work. The thing is, we are possibly not where you are. So do share to help us reach that place were we don't need a scope to see the results... or else, what's the point of telling use we are not seeing what we should be seeing if we can't see it?
Do you think telling us this over and over will help?
So far you haven't shared or made obvious anything I'm not aware of.
So if you're tired of the loop throw in something new.

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@Gotoluc,

What I would like to see you test more then anything is the effect adding a permanent magnet to back end of the coil core would have, if any, on the distance the output coil would need to be from the magnet rotor to achieve AUL wave reflection. Can you try this for us please with both polarities?
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