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Old 12-31-2015, 11:15 AM
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Earth resonance

I was wondering if anyone else besides Tesla has verified that the Earth can be thrown into electrical resonance at 11.772822296 Hz (or thereabout ).
(I am NOT referring to the Schumann resonance at 7.83 Hz, 14, 20, 26, 33, 45 Hz etc., those frequencies refer to resonance in the Earth's atmosphere, not in the Earth itself.)

Does anyone know?
Is there a report available on i-net?


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Is this a trick question my witty Dutchmen?

You're not planning to split the earth now are you?

Anyway... My research turned up inconclusive. You might as well be the first to verify, deny or provide a more accurate value.

Wishing you the best with your endeavours next year!

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Old 12-31-2015, 08:30 PM
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https://www.google.com/patents/US1333095
Charles Harvey Roe
No mention of earth resonance here but he is using earth as a conductor and NOT Schumann cavity. Double ground.
Looks like you just might have to be the first to verify Tesla's claim on earth resonance Ernst.
oh and this patent is transmission of power not radio signals
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Thanks for the answers and your wishes!
Of course, I too wish all of you the very best for this new year

Strange patent, Jeff! Seems utterly useless to me after Tesla's system, which is MUCH more effective. Then he claims to have useful improvements????
Silly Charles....

Well, that is of course if Tesla's claim can be verified. Which is something I am currently working on. It is the final proof that I need concerning Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter.
Then we will have a machine that not only transmits electrical energy, which is as some believe its only function, but also taps a still unused source of energy.
Oh, that reminds me, next we need to verify at what rate we can extract energy from this source. If Tesla is correct on that point too, then we will never need another source again.

First things first. Earth resonance....
It appears much more complicated than one would think at first.
Not to create resonance, but to prove that it is the Earth which resonates.
Anyways....
small proofs are stacking up, the plot thickens....


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I agree with you on that patent I just posted it because of Earth conduction instead of Schumann cavity. It supports that part of Tesla's claim. I have not been able to find ANYTHING on earth resonance besides Tesla. All it seems you can find is people calling Schumann resonance Earth resonance which are two completely different things. From your post it sounds like you have measured something and are trying to verify it is the Earth you are measuring.
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Old 01-01-2016, 09:03 AM
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From your post it sounds like you have measured something and are trying to verify it is the Earth you are measuring.
That is correct.
I have a number of (different) experiments that seem to point in that direction but are not definite proof.
I am not out of ideas, yet. But I thought if someone already had done it, I could learn from his experiment.


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If I may ask a favor ?
I will completely remove this post if inappropriate .

We have a researcher in the UK that did some preliminary testing of
Barbosi type apparatus ,and whilst ringing or sweeping the earth between two ground rods
Did notice more power coming back to his oscilloscope probe than he was
Sending out (,at certain frequencies)
Much more

Would you be adverse to investigating this here or explain ?

The other threads on this topic seem to get very noisy and our friend would just like to take small steps and understand this better.

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Oh and happy new year to all.

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Old 01-02-2016, 02:39 AM
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@ RAMSET,

OK, let's have a look.
But let's also try to keep the noise at the other thread .
To explain it would be a little premature based on what you write, but a few thoughts come to mind.
Can you first give a more precise description of his experiment.
- what kind of apparatus is he using both for sending and receiving
- at what power levels is he transmitting (also at what voltage)
- at what frequencies or frequency ranges does he get excess power
- how does he measure the received power
- how much power does he measure

A very preliminary explanation could be that his receiving system is also picking up signals from others, such as radio stations and maybe even an occasional Tesla coil or some natural source.


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Very good indeed , I believe Grumage will be redoing the experiments
Shortly ,I will discuss this with him in the AM (will get answers to all your questions) and see if we can
Tighten up the whole experiment so as to give some solid explanation
For this extra power he is seeing.

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Dear Ernst and Chet.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I fear Chet used the wrong term, I was seeing an increase in received AC Voltage at certain high frequencies between two Copper earth rods about 8 M apart. Voltage, not power.

It was a simple experiment. Two rods sunk to 0.6 M @ 8 M apart send signal was from my 20 V p/p signal generator onto remote rod with Ch 1 looking. Both gnd connections joined, Ch 2 looking at the received signal. Both scope and SG were sat on a fully insulated platform and powered by my fully isolated UPS so as not to get involved with my service providers earth system.

The scope traces matched in amplitude until about 800 kHz when the receiving signal stated to grow in amplitude but as my SG is only able to reach 1.6 MHz I could not pursue the experiment further.

Your comments would be gratefully appreciated.

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Dear Ernst and Chet.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I fear Chet used the wrong term, I was seeing an increase in received AC Voltage at certain high frequencies between two Copper earth rods about 8 M apart. Voltage, not power.

It was a simple experiment. Two rods sunk to 0.6 M @ 8 M apart send signal was from my 20 V p/p signal generator onto remote rod with Ch 1 looking. Both gnd connections joined, Ch 2 looking at the received signal. Both scope and SG were sat on a fully insulated platform and powered by my fully isolated UPS so as not to get involved with my service providers earth system.

The scope traces matched in amplitude until about 800 kHz when the receiving signal stated to grow in amplitude but as my SG is only able to reach 1.6 MHz I could not pursue the experiment further.

Your comments would be gratefully appreciated.

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Let's see if I got this right.
I guess I will have to ignore Dragon's diagram?
Two ground rods sunk to 0.6 M @ 8 M apart. Clear. Let's call them R1 and R2.
A 20 V p/p signal (from an isolated generator) connected to R2.
Scope gnd connected to SG gnd.
Scope Ch1 signal connected to R2.
Scope Ch2 signal connected to R1.

The first strange thing is that you get a matching amplitude at low frequencies. That would mean that there is no voltage drop over 8m ground. That is extremely unlikely, especially with such low voltages. There is some resistance of the earth and the ground connections, there is a current flowing, so there MUST be a voltage drop.
I am not saying that you are lying, but there must be something wrong with either the experiment or your measurements. For if it were as you say, you could replace the SG with a battery and the scope with a 12V light bulb and the bulb would light up as if connected directly to the battery. I must admit I have not tried that but I don't think it will work.
You know what, I have ground rods here and batteries and all, I will test and get back later.

Can you describe the voltage rise that you see. Is it a steady rise of let's say 1V / KHz or does the rise increase at higher frequencies. Also, what values did you measure?

It would also be interesting to see what current is drawn from your SG. (at all frequencies)

I'll be back soon.

Meanwhile it looks like I have got my proof for Earth resonance complete!

(ready to split the Earth. Which half do you want Slick?)


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@ Grumage,

mmmm.....

Ok.....

So I was wrong. (my mind is still too much with my own success )
I have 2 ground rods here, one about 17 m deep, one 3 m. roughly 8 m apart.
I measure a voltage of 0.060 V between them, which inhibits a good resistance measurement.
Also I pick up various signals between 400 KHz and 500 KHz between them.
When I put 12V AC on one, I measure almost the same value on the other (one line connected directly, one line going through the Earth). So the resistance of this ground connection is small compared to that of my multimeter (and most likely that of your scope).
You can not light a bulb because that needs more current, obviously.
So having this point cleared up, up to the next...

You know what, could you make a (5 min) video showing this experiment. That would probably be much more effective, so I (we all) can look over your shoulder as it were.

Maybe I can repeat the experiment and see for myself. That is often the most effective anyway. I do not have a good scope, though. But I have SGs that go to 30 MHz.
I won't have time to do this within a few days, but maybe later this week. Meanwhile your video could help.


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Dear Ernst.

Thank you for your prompt reply.

We currently have Mother Nature doing her best to extend N Wales into the Lake District!! Rain is falling relentlessly.

I will try and put something together when things get a little dryer. For the meantime I have linked a couple of videos showing the rough layout of rods, and perhaps another slightly curious effect.

https://youtu.be/x__NQOtrzf0

https://youtu.be/JcPu4Ie47vA

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Dear Ernst.

I'm one of a few that have had " hands on " experience with earth testing having spent nigh on 2 decades with an Electricity Board ( before privatisation) involved with the commissioning and maintenance of HV substations. Aye many a happy and unhappy hour spent trudging across fields armed with cable drum spike and hammer.

Most tests were done with DC to plot the ground resistance around a point that might, depending on the results be chosen for a future substation.

The hindsight bit, no sight like it !! Having thought a little perhaps a small load resistor across Ch 2 would have been a good idea or even a very low wattage incandescent lamp? Perhaps whilst the deluge continues we can formulate a plan of attack for a concerted effort at some future date?

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Dear Dragon.

I'm sure you're well aware that Ernst meant no disrespect regarding your drawing ?

I'm still toddling whilst you're into the marathon !! With not having anything better to pursue this effect I moved on to other topics but it would appear that you have carried this line of research much further? Please PM me.

I realise that I may have inadvertently turned this thread in a different direction, after all Ernst was discussing Earth Resonance so may I convey my sincerest apologies and leave Ernst to his original and first post.

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I didn't take it as any disrespect, I find the whole "earth" energy quite fascinating. Some quick calculations led me to the approximate frequencies... depending on one's location...

full wave at 23.5 hz
half wave at 11.75 hz
quarter wave at 5.87 hz

It doesn't seem they would vary to much - a few hundred feet plus or minus.

Ernst, if you do split the earth, give a fair warning so I know which half of my property I should build on.... I'd hate to get stuck on the bum half... although I do own some property on mars....
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First, thank you Dragon for your contribution here. I know Earth currents and related electrical effects are fascinating. I have done some experiments in that line too, but was unable to create useful effects. Perhaps you should post your findings in a thread on telluric currents, so they are easier to find for those who are interested. If I am correct there already is such thread here and if not, please do open one and post your experiments there. They are interesting enough!
In this thread they will get lost, because I do not see how they are related to Earth resonance, which is the subject of this thread. For that same reason I am not going to respond to it here. I hope you'll understand and also hope that you will elaborate on your experiments (but in another thread).

@ Grumage,
I thought it always rains in GB? I was surprised to see it didn't rain in those two videos!
Was that the slightly curious effect you were referring to?
I can imagine that pressure waves in the ground increase the resistance and thus cause a (locally) higher voltage, but I would not have expected the effect to be that large!
The effect that RAMSET mentioned could be caused by some natural resonance in the Earth, so I think it is OK to investigate this here.
Resonance effects that I have seen have a different signature than that what I read about your experiment. But it could also be that my interpretation is wrong and therefore a video would help a lot. Still better would be to replicate your experiments here, which I can and will do later this week.
So, no apologies needed. Let's see what is happening here.

The initial intention of this thread is related to this:
1908, The Future of Wireless Art:
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When the earth is struck mechanically, as is the case in some powerful terrestrial upheaval, it vibrates like a bell, its period being measured in hours. When it is struck electrically, the charge oscillates, approximately, twelve times a second. By impressing upon it current waves of certain lengths, definitely related to its diameter, the globe is thrown into resonant vibration like a wire, stationary waves forming, the nodal and ventral regions of which can be located with mathematical precision.
1909-12-24, Nikola Tesla's New Wireless:
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Mr. Tesla adds that in his experiments in Colorado it was shown that a very powerful current developed by the transmitter traversed the entire globe and returned to its origin in an interval of 84 one- thousandths of a second, this journey of 24,000 miles being effected almost without loss of energy.
1913-11-09, Nikola Tesla's Plan to Keep "Wireless Thumb" on Ships at Sea:
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The earth is a conductor of electricity, and as such has its own electrical period of vibration. The time of one complete swing is about one-twelfth of a second. In other words, this is the interval the current requires in passing to, and returning from, the diametrically opposite point of the globe.
1916: Pre-hearing interview:
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At the first moment, this current propagates exactly like the shadow of the moon at the earth's surface. It starts with infinite velocity from that point, but its speed rapidly diminishes; it flows slower and slower until it reaches the equator, 6,000 miles from the transmitter. At that point, the current flows with the speed of light -- that is, 300,000 kilometres per second. But, if you consider the resultant current through the globe along the axis of symmetry of propagation, the resultant current flows continuously with the same velocity of light.
Whether this current passing through the centre of the earth to the opposite side is real, or whether it is merely an effect of these surface currents, makes absolutely no difference. To understand the concept, one must imagine that the current from the transmitter flows straight to the opposite point of the globe.
1921-09-24, Interplanetary Communication:
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While I am not prepared to discuss the various aspects of this subject at length, I may say that a skilful experimenter who is in the position to expend considerable money and time will undoubtedly detect waves of about 25,470,000 m.
As you can see he mentions the frequency, the period, the wavelength and explains the mode of propagation so you can calculate these for yourself.
He could not be more specific. Yet people continue saying that he was talking about the Schumann frequencies.
The most important thing to break through this wall of disbelieve (let me use a friendly term here ) is to show what Tesla was talking about and prove that it is true.
No one that I know of has done so up until last week.
So I am still interested to hear about attempts by others, especially successful ones!

Here is a preliminary image of my proof. These are 6 fragments of an experiment captured with a high speed camera. I have cut pieces of each frame showing:
- two anti-parallel blue LEDs showing the phase of the input current (50Hz)
- 1 super bright white LED showing resonance in a receiver coil (not relevant in this test)
- the spark gap
The yellow sine wave is simply derived from those two blue LEDs. At its top the power supply is feeding 22KV into the system, at the bottom it is 0V.
Each line shows a powerful break of the RSG at the left, because that break takes place during a maximum from the power supply.
The second break (to the right) takes place just after a maximum and lasts for only 1 frame, the next frame the RSG is dark again, meaning that the caps are drained.
Then exactly 85 ms after the maximum of the first break we see the spark gap fire again.
As the power supply is at 11KV (not enough to cause a break) and the primary caps are drained, the coils have discharged their energy, there is no energy in the system to cause this second (third if you like) break. So this energy has to come from outside. It is the echo of the first pulse, coming back into my secondary coil.
One probably needs some time to understand the meaning of this picture and my explanation may not be as clear as intended.... But a video and pdf will follow as soon as time allows.


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The initial intention of this thread is related to this:
1908, The Future of Wireless Art:

1909-12-24, Nikola Tesla's New Wireless:

1913-11-09, Nikola Tesla's Plan to Keep "Wireless Thumb" on Ships at Sea:

1916: Pre-hearing interview:

1921-09-24, Interplanetary Communication:

As you can see he mentions the frequency, the period, the wavelength and explains the mode of propagation so you can calculate these for yourself.
He could not be more specific. Yet people continue saying that he was talking about the Schumann frequencies.
The most important thing to break through this wall of disbelieve (let me use a friendly term here ) is to show what Tesla was talking about and prove that it is true.
No one that I know of has done so up until last week.
So I am still interested to hear about attempts by others, especially successful ones!
Ernst.
So given the wavelength given by Tesla, 25,470,000 meters, the Frequency calculates out to 11.7785 Hz. Or approximately, 12Hz.

So for argument sake let’s take that from Tesla as being 100% correct.

So for an Earth Resonance Effect, I would need to strike the Earth with my “electrical hammer” 12 times per second?

Suppose I have a Tesla coil with a main carrier Ro frequency is 1Mhz. Suppose the Tesla coil is configured for monopolar transmission into the earth. At the 1Mhz carrier frequency I would not achieve earth resonance.
But if I pulsed the 1Mhz carrier frequency or modulated it at 12Hz, (or harmonics thereof), I might then expect to detect return earth echoes or effects of earth resonance?

Likely the optimum carrier frequency is much lower than 1Mhz, as Tesla was using around 30Khz to 80Khz, or thereabouts which he states is optimal for Earth transmission.

I wonder what the minimum force (or strike effort) would be necessary from my “electrical hammer” to invoke a reflection from the other side of the earth to receive a detectable return or echo through the earth?
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Woo Hoo congragulations Ernst.
and could Sputins PWM his 1Mhz signal at 11.7785 for the earth to see it as the lower freq
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So given the wavelength given by Tesla, 25,470,000 meters, the Frequency calculates out to 11.7785 Hz. Or approximately, 12Hz.

So for argument sake let’s take that from Tesla as being 100% correct.

So for an Earth Resonance Effect, I would need to strike the Earth with my “electrical hammer” 12 times per second?

Suppose I have a Tesla coil with a main carrier Ro frequency is 1Mhz. Suppose the Tesla coil is configured for monopolar transmission into the earth. At the 1Mhz carrier frequency I would not achieve earth resonance.
But if I pulsed the 1Mhz carrier frequency or modulated it at 12Hz, (or harmonics thereof), I might then expect to detect return earth echoes or effects of earth resonance?

Likely the optimum carrier frequency is much lower than 1Mhz, as Tesla was using around 30Khz to 80Khz, or thereabouts which he states is optimal for Earth transmission.

I wonder what the minimum force (or strike effort) would be necessary from my “electrical hammer” to invoke a reflection from the other side of the earth to receive a detectable return or echo through the earth?
Yes, to all your statements and questions except for the last to which my answer is:
According to Tesla about 1 HP (roughly 750 Watt, but I forgot where he said so). I could see effects at 800 Watt, but could not at 100 Watt. The voltage is also important; as virtually the entire resistance is at the point of entry the higher the voltage at that point the better. The first tests in which I noticed something "odd" I was producing about 520 KV, the current tests are 800 KV - 1.1 MV.

Also a "Yes", to Jeff's question.


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Yes i do think resonance or some harmonic plays a part in Grahams experiment
He did mention a very specific frequency where things took an abrupt
Direction .

Also to note I was unaware of you eminent planetary subdivisions , perhaps
You should proceed with great care as i have heard lately that the planet could be... flat...

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First, thank you Dragon for your contribution here. I know Earth currents and related electrical effects are fascinating. I have done some experiments in that line too, but was unable to create useful effects. Perhaps you should post your findings in a thread on telluric currents, so they are easier to find for those who are interested. If I am correct there already is such thread here and if not, please do open one and post your experiments there. They are interesting enough!
In this thread they will get lost, because I do not see how they are related to Earth resonance, which is the subject of this thread. For that same reason I am not going to respond to it here. I hope you'll understand and also hope that you will elaborate on your experiments (but in another thread).


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Dear Ernst.

I managed to put together a hurried video today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXPtdzhSdfw

This time earth rod separation was nearer 10 M but nowhere near the marked observations made last year. Possibly the rather wet condition ??

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Yes, to all your statements and questions except for the last to which my answer is:
According to Tesla about 1 HP (roughly 750 Watt, but I forgot where he said so). I could see effects at 800 Watt, but could not at 100 Watt. The voltage is also important; as virtually the entire resistance is at the point of entry the higher the voltage at that point the better. The first tests in which I noticed something "odd" I was producing about 520 KV, the current tests are 800 KV - 1.1 MV.

Also a "Yes", to Jeff's question.


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Thanks for answering my question that I was attempting to ask, pretty well exactly with the words of Tesla.

“I could see effects at 800 Watt, but could not at 100 Watt”.

So likely, I would not be successful to achieve an earth “ping” with a 100W TMT rig. However given a 1KW rig, then I might have half a chance.

Also the words; “The voltage is also important; as virtually “the entire resistance is at the point of entry” – So there is an initial “resistance” at the point of entry to overcome…

And thus:

“The higher the voltage at that [entry] point the better. The first tests in which I noticed something "odd" I was producing about 520 KV, the current tests are 800 KV - 1.1 MV”.

Okay. Does Tesla elaborate on what he means or what occurred for Tesla to say, “I noticed something odd”?

Your system might be indeed be producing an "earth pings", it certainly is powerful enough. - So if you have achieved that and can show it, then you really have something, or reward for effort.

You'll just have to find a method of apparatus for your system to enable a sweep modulation within the 3 to 20hz range... Maybe you already have.
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A quick reply, because I have to go....

@ Sputins,
You are mixing up my words with those of Tesla.
“I could see effects at 800 Watt, but could not at 100 Watt”. are my words, the "I" referring to me.
Well, in short, the whole reply are my words.
The "odd" thing I first noticed is that my 520 KV coil got "growing streamers" indicating a possible rise of potential to about 1MV. I will show you it in my next video, although there should already be one on the web somewhere.
I already have means for exact modulation. I have a RSG of which its rotary speed can be controlled with a 6 digits accuracy.

@ Grumage,
Thanks, I will have a look later....

@ dragon,
None needed. Thanks for understanding!

@ RAMSET,
So my initial interpretation was wrong. See, that is why video's are so helpful.
If there is a very abrupt change, then that could be the signature of resonance.

Ok, more later.


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@ Sputins,
You are mixing up my words with those of Tesla.
“I could see effects at 800 Watt, but could not at 100 Watt”. are my words, the "I" referring to me.
Well, in short, the whole reply are my words.
The "odd" thing I first noticed is that my 520 KV coil got "growing streamers" indicating a possible rise of potential to about 1MV. I will show you it in my next video, although there should already be one on the web somewhere.
I already have means for exact modulation. I have a RSG of which its rotary speed can be controlled with a 6 digits accuracy.
Oh okay, sorry for the mix up. And usually you put some reference note with any quotes from Tesla. - So Tesla said 1HP but that reference is yet to be located.

Generally from your observations and the 1Hp value Tesla mentions, a minimal power level for a TMT rig to produce “Earth Pings” would be around 1KW.

Perhaps as the TMT produces its currents, with a specific modulation, these currents resonate or ping with the earth itself. During this process, it might be feasible that a tiny percentage of Natural Telluric Currents from inside the earth couple with the currents produced by the TMT to give rise to an increase in the overall TMT output?
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Old 01-06-2016, 04:50 AM
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@ Grumage,

here some pictures of my replication in very dry ground.
One ground pin (17 m) reaches ground water (at 10 m), the other (3 m) is in relatively dry ground. The pins are not so far apart. First I thought about 8 m, now I think it is more like 5 m.

Blue is SG (that is Signal Generator, not School Girl. For the Bedini enthusiasts )
Yellow is return wire.
(Not much care has been taken to fully isolate the system. More like none. Also the 3m ground pin wire is running along side mains for a couple of meters.)

Starting at roughly 500 KHz I see a higher amplitude on the return wire.
Starting at roughly 2 MHz the amplitude on the return wire gets lower.
Around 1500 KHz I get a lot of interference, starting around 1 MHz, increasing to 1500 KHz and then very rapidly disappearing again.
This pattern, first slowly rising, then more rapidly and then a sudden drop, that is exactly what resonance would do.
But the maximum of 1500 KHz is suspicious. Why not 1516.76 or 1493.64?
1500 KHz is probably something artificial.

More later. I have to think about this.


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Old 01-06-2016, 02:21 PM
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Just thinking out loud... with the distance between the rods being 5 meters, an approximate quarter wave length of around 15 Mhz - 1.5 Mhz might be a sufficient stimulus.

My grounds are 30ft apart (N-S) N is 60ft deep (into the water table) and S is 15ft deep. A quarter wavelength of approx 8 Mhz and the magic number of 1.6 Mhz seems a sufficient stimulus for a return p-p voltage in excess of the original signal.

Is it the depth/length of the antenna picking up the signal, the distance between them or is it traversing the entire globe and returning?
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Well, something is happening, so we will have to vary all parameters, one at a time, to see which could be the guilty one. That seems the most logical path to me.

Since Grumage does not have a SG that covers the range that we need, perhaps you could check these out.
There are 2MHz, 5MHz, 8MHz, 10MHz modules and I think they have added a 12 MHz version too. But the 5 MHz one would do just fine.

If we can establish that, as Dragon says/thinks the resonance frequency could be a function of the distance between the ground pins, then Grumage could be helped by putting them further apart thus bringing the frequency within the range of his SG.

I would need to go out into my "garden" armed with ground pins, wire, SG and scope. Something I may do when time and weather allows.


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Do the waves travel straight out of the earth connection and traverse the earth then return or is it more like ripples in a pond extending outward? We know we can connect an exciter to one ground and see the results on the other and/or add another coil tuned to the same frequency and excite the second coil. So, we could effectively find this circular wave length (ripple) and drive several receiving exciters from the epicenter at various points and distances within that circle of ripples.

We know we can establish a voltage gain between grounds and we know there is a telluric current flowing within the established gain so it would stand to reason that we could theoretically establish a power gain by combining our input with these existing currents.

Ernst, Since you've reached your original goal here - it would be interesting to hear a little about your end game for this experiment. We might be able to expand into this area with you. I've established my own goals for this research and as you've stated isn't necessarily the direction your taking.
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