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Old 12-07-2015, 04:14 AM
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Arrow Radiant spike puts out more than current

Secondary coil puts out many many more times than the primary coil



This is the pure currentless radiant spike being used to do work.
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Secondary coil puts out many many more times than the primary coil



This is the pure currentless radiant spike being used to do work.
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It's about damn time Patrick! Now please tell me...that you have applied this to the larger machines, and that you have maximized the effectiveness of the for lack of a better way of putting it "distillation" process?

The small group who are working on a similar project should take note, because this is how its done (I should also say that this isn't limited to any particular switching model, its a free for all when you know what you're doing.


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It's about damn time Patrick! Now please tell me...that you have applied this to the larger machines, and that you have maximized the effectiveness of the for lack of a better way of putting it "distillation" process?

The small group who are working on a similar project should take note, because this is how its done (I should also say that this isn't limited to any particular switching model, its a free for all when you know what you're doing.


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You are correct my friend - too many egos all over the place to even give credit where credit is due.
Well, at least maybe some good people will prevail out of all this.
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Secondary coil puts out many many more times than the primary coil



This is the pure currentless radiant spike being used to do work.
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Hey Pat glad to see you again.

I watched your video with my 12 year old sitting here with me.
I have been looking for a good home school science project for him.

One question: When you hook the cap up do you think the change
caused more current draw on the battery? I guess the scope
wouldn't show that anyway.

Either way it is an eye catcher for my son with that LEGO build.

I realize you are constantly involved with these spikes and look at
what you are doing much differently than those of us who almost
never do this stuff.

The first problem for me and I am almost certain for others is that
it looks like 2 coils? One bigger that is bifilar? and another coil that
is nothing like the other only guessing what it is.

The cap and the diode part with the transistor is easy for the 12
year old but I don't think he knows how to do those coils. I think
I know how the coil on the right is done.

If you have a circuit diagram for him that would help.

What it seems like you have done in this video is to power up
a Bedini solid state osc on the right in very slow motion. 1 pulse
per 2 seconds.

Then the pulse goes into an extra coil to kick the pendulum?

So I will assume the extra coil has a common ground with the OSC?

Thanks again.

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Hi folks, Hi minoly, thanks for sharing.
Yes, a circuit diagram would be great and coil details.
Thanks.
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Secondary coil puts out many many more times than the primary coil.
This is the pure currentless radiant spike being used to do work.
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Also I must address these few words you have posted.
First you say coil 1 puts out more than coil 2. I don't
understand that statement. Coil 1 acts as a generator
and coil 2 acts as a motor coil. This is only speculation
on my part so please don't think i am trying to correct
your circuit in any way.

I am attempting to understand why you think the receiver
coil gets more work done. This is what I want to start my son
out on learning so I need to figure it out first.

Next you say only radiant powers the coil. Yes but when you
put a cap in the line the radiant changes the energy to power the coil with current, I think.

So with the cap coil 2 is getting several volts@so many mili-amp burst?

This is how I see the circuit. If this is wrong please feel free to
explain why and where I missed something.

Yes without the cap coil 2 get much less because it needs a translation
or converter and the cap does this just fine.

What I was hoping someone would affirm is that the receiver coil
always gets more back than the original source pulse due to radiant
energy pumping.

But then you are not running coil 1 in HF oscillation, just a spike
every 2 seconds.

For many decades men have used the sender/receiver coil to seek
to increase output energy. This is Tesla based thinking I have heard
for sometime.

Great going, got me thinking that's for sure.
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Joseph Newman's work might shed some light on it mike.
Newman has some motors with fine wire and many volts, like the flyback spike and his motors do much work.
Minoly's driver coil is doing no obvious work, but is being converted into obvious work by the receiver coil, which is more efficient in the arrangement shown.
The capacitor is probably dropping the volts a bit into the receiver coil to give the small current needed.
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Joseph Newman's work might shed some light on it mike.
Newman has some motors with fine wire and many volts, like the flyback spike and his motors do much work.
Minoly's driver coil is doing no obvious work, but is being converted into obvious work by the receiver coil, which is more efficient in the arrangement shown.
The capacitor is probably dropping the volts a bit into the receiver coil to give the small current needed.
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Hey Sky

I like John Bedini better than Newman. Bedini is honest and has a
window motor design that does all the same things with the spike.
You don't want to get me started on Newman because I get a
bad ass knot in my gut everytime I hear his name.

Sorry Sky nothing personal against you. I just know to much
about people.

You on the other hand lighten my day, like Pat's video. You see
Pat's video is very subtle, he shows what is a simple experiment
that everyone does. But do people understand the coil send/receive
strategy.

It really is hard to get people to work together, they all have their
own notions or even misconceptions but if they will experiment
this is a beginning. Like you are a fine experimenter. Pat experiments
all of the time.

I think John Bedini pointed this out many times when he talks
about the simple spike and the last time I saw his post he was
talking about running a motor just on capacitors, it was the
window motor.

But again this is reflected energy from the same pulsed coil and is
not the same thing.

If we could come to some sort of experiment that shows a send/
receiver coil set relationship that produces more than it should then
I think others would jump on board and express their ideas with
their personal set of terms to explain their experience.

In the past we have pulsed the SSSG like Pat has there and not
so much pulsing the SSSG into another coil. In the past we pulsed
batteries looking for a good response and got it. The radiant
spike Pat is focusing on for years lowers the resistance of the traveling
or pumped energy and at the same time this "EVENT" may draw
in a small portion extra. Not always, depending on getting your
tuning just right.

Then when you get what you came for it is so small, only a proof of
concept amount for a huge apparatus. I think guys like you and I who
are more of less beginners have spent our time learning to make
a circuit pulse and were happy with that.

Now it is time to move beyond. I think Pat is on to something. I am
sure he has thought is through more than I have lately. It would be
more conclusive for each of us to pulse our own coils to see if it seems
like extra energy. How else could we tell?
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:42 AM
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Hi Mike, Skywatcher and All,
And thank you for taking the time to put some very thoughtful words to “paper” here. I’ll do my best to help clarify what I’m using. I’m a big fan of any twelve-year-old taking on projects like these. That was about my son’s age when his interest in all this peeked and my daughters as well. I hadn’t thought about this as a science project but now that you mention it. It would be fantastic! Mostly because of the simplicity taking measurements and whatnot…

So you are describing the build to a T. if you check out this thread CPD mod - capacitor potentiometer diode modification I talk about the CPD mod, but all that is is a way to control how you put the battery across the coil. I think you have plenty of experience with that already. One can use almost any bifilar coil as the primary. What I have done is to choose a combination that uses as little current/energy from the battery as possible while still putting on a big spike. The ON time is tiny! Just enough to put out a spike.

The spike is isolated from the battery so whether I put the spike to the LEDs or the coil or another battery, there is NO more draw from the “run” battery. I’ve been running this for 72 hours and the battery is still at 4 volts. I'm not going to bother with video of the scope or people would accuse me of some sort of trickery. This spike is as close to pure radiant as I have ever been able to put out. The ON time is tiny tiny tiny. Yours does not have to be for this to work, but you will want to prove it to yourself anyway.

Ok so on the front and you DO NOT have to use these exact specifications! I have used several other combinations and they all work fine. This one is aluminum 18awg 2.7ohms of wire wound with 30awg copper same amount of turns. The thinner trigger wire allows for the quick pulse to the base which of course translates to very little ON time for the transistor and therefore very little current.

The second coil, which can also be almost any other coil I have in my box. I have used 30awg copper wound about a drinking straw for a total of 60ohms NO CORE. The key is finding the right size capacitor to put in parallel with that coil. On this particular coil with the size of spike I am sending to it. If I put a smaller cap say 1uf film cap… the cap and coil will oscillate like an LC and the magnet will move back and forth! If I go too big, nothing happens, the cap and coil eat up the spike so you just have to play around with different values, wish I had the math for you on this one, maybe your son will derive it for us :-) If you start out with a high impedance coil and a low value CAP that will help to get you in the ballpark.

Finally, that second coil is placed in the same exact spot the charging battery is in JB’s SS SSG same as the LEDs – only NOT using the neg to neg mod. To isolate the coil from the battery the ckt has to be just like the solid state SSG. The only thing that 2nd coil touches is the positive side of that battery. You can run it the other way but then you start adding more current from the primary into the system…

Hope this helps – stay COOL
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Hi Mike, Skywatcher and All,

So you are describing the build to a T. .......................

Finally, that second coil is placed in the same exact spot the charging battery is in JB’s SS SSG same as the LEDs – only NOT using the neg to neg mod. To isolate the coil from the battery the ckt has to be just like the solid state SSG. The only thing that 2nd coil touches is the positive side of that battery. You can run it the other way but then you start adding more current from the primary into the system…

Hope this helps – stay COOL
holy guacamoly I didn't realize that Pat. Only one wire connected?
HUH? Now I am surprised. I had no idea.

You see I have never done an experiment like this one so I will
give it a try. Now I see why you are very excited also. This would
blow their minds in a classroom, let me tell you what. The conventional
wisdom says it ain't so.

One time I did some "IMPULSE COILS" but the negative lead was used
and I didn't follow the experiment very long. That one works also.

Well it's late and the old man is down the road.Nice work
I have some extra excitement now.
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another investigation

the "pulse"

being investigated here also ?

Accurate Measurements on pulsed system's harder than you think.

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the "pulse"

being investigated here also ?

Accurate Measurements on pulsed system's harder than you think.

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They should just listen to JB in the first place. Get those machines off of the SSG.
Charge 2 batteries for 1, that is use 1 battery to charge 2 batteries and be done with it.
That's what the original forum was all about. Other want-to-be's go down a rabbit hole.
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I should also comment on the CAP, John Bedini has been talking about this for years. That it is one of the methods we can use to convert the spike into usable energy. Another method which everyone is familiar with is charging a flooded lead acid battery.

I think everyone that is around these forums has experimented with using Mr Bedini's SSG to charge a battery. Most, not all, just through a few wires, some components of their own choosing, whatever magnets they have laying around etc. They prove it can charge a battery, however since they fail to see more out than in, they quit and decide it does not work as prescribed and they announce to the world - I failed so it does not work! Although, they do leave out the "I failed" part.... I too failed for years, until one day someone hinted, aside from building to specifications! ... I should try adjusting the load, the charging batteries...

So here is a simple little experiment that makes it easy to see that the type of cap, the size of the cap does matter. One has to size the load correctly to take full advantage of any given spike. THIS GOES FOR THE CHARGING BATTERY as well. Now, once we play around with this little setup, aside from the other obvious benefits that are implied, we can also see how choosing the correct cap matters when we are making a cap dump circuit for the SSG.

Sincerely hope this helps someone...
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In relation to the load, This is from:
Aaron Murakami Mod >to: Mohammad Yaseen • 10 months ago
About the wheeled version:

"Reducing friction helps increase efficiency and COP but very slight. Not sure where to get super conducting wires, but wheel in vacuum could help a small amount.

Actually, low resistance batteries are part of what is necessary. At Bedini's shop about 10 years ago maybe, Peter and John were doing a LOT of tests with 2000 ah 2 volt batteries wired into 2 different 12 volt banks. The impedance of the batteries were so low it was nearly impossible to measure. This is KEY. On one charge test that Peter did, the batteries received a lot more load powering capability than what left the power supply - it was unmistakable and was very high COP. When you have a longitudinal impulse propagating, any impedance greatly reduces the potential energy there... but this large battery bank, which came from a cell phone tower, had low enough impedance to allow the gains to show up.

Also, under these circumstances, the batteries actually do turn into negative resistors. Read this carefully: [url=http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html[/url]...

When polarizing a battery with impulses of nearly pure potential and virtually no current, the battery develops its own internal charging current that did not come from the impulses... and it is not a tradeoff between voltage and current. That battery gets polarized with a high potential difference between its terminals and that polarizes the vacuum source potential around it to come into the battery and causes not only the battery to go into charging mode, but to actually give it a strong charge that is not just a voltage increase, but a load powering capacity increase.

With smaller batteries, Peter and John did thousands of charging/discharging tests - smaller meaning golf cart batteries. As long as the charge/discharge cycles were VERY CONSTANT, the batteries were able to deliver more energy than what left the power supply. Over the weekend when the charge/discharge cycles were not going on, these gains disappeared. There are countless charts that show this very consistent behavior.

Very few people have seen this because most people building these machines are hobbyists and are not setup to have these tests going on day in and day out so 80-95% or so is what they see in battery recovery alone - not including mechanical work from the wheel, which is free."

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I should also comment on the CAP, John Bedini has been talking about this for years. That it is one of the methods we can use to convert the spike into usable energy. Another method which everyone is familiar with is charging a flooded lead acid battery.

I think everyone that is around these forums has experimented with using Mr Bedini's SSG to charge a battery. Most, not all, just through a few wires, some components of their own choosing, whatever magnets they have laying around etc. They prove it can charge a battery, however since they fail to see more out than in, they quit and decide it does not work as prescribed and they announce to the world - I failed so it does not work! Although, they do leave out the "I failed" part.... I too failed for years, until one day someone hinted, aside from building to specifications! ... I should try adjusting the load, the charging batteries...

So here is a simple little experiment that makes it easy to see that the type of cap, the size of the cap does matter. One has to size the load correctly to take full advantage of any given spike. THIS GOES FOR THE CHARGING BATTERY as well. Now, once we play around with this little setup, aside from the other obvious benefits that are implied, we can also see how choosing the correct cap matters when we are making a cap dump circuit for the SSG.

Sincerely hope this helps someone...
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It's about damn time Patrick! Now please tell me...that you have applied this to the larger machines, and that you have maximized the effectiveness of the for lack of a better way of putting it "distillation" process?

The small group who are working on a similar project should take note, because this is how its done (I should also say that this isn't limited to any particular switching model, its a free for all when you know what you're doing.


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As always, nice to see your around and I've been thinking about your words about the spike as I watched Patrick's video. from over 2 years ago..

"The spike.....inductive kickback.....here is where we leave Kansas. To a force which can overcome any impedance....impedance becomes synonymous with conductivity...."

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you got it alman,
all this stuff has been said... so few actually listen and even fewer prevail.
Thanks for posting those.
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About the wheeled version:

"Reducing friction helps increase efficiency and COP but very slight. Not sure where to get super conducting wires, but wheel in vacuum could help a small amount.

Actually, low resistance batteries are part of what is necessary. At Bedini's shop about 10 years ago maybe, Peter and John were doing a LOT of tests with 2000 ah 2 volt batteries wired into 2 different 12 volt banks. The impedance of the batteries were so low it was nearly impossible to measure. This is KEY. On one charge test that Peter did, the batteries received a lot more load powering capability than what left the power supply - it was unmistakable and was very high COP. When you have a longitudinal impulse propagating, any impedance greatly reduces the potential energy there... but this large battery bank, which came from a cell phone tower, had low enough impedance to allow the gains to show up.

Also, under these circumstances, the batteries actually do turn into negative resistors. Read this carefully: [url=http://www.icehouse.net/john1/index11.html[/url]...

When polarizing a battery with impulses of nearly pure potential and virtually no current, the battery develops its own internal charging current that did not come from the impulses... and it is not a tradeoff between voltage and current. That battery gets polarized with a high potential difference between its terminals and that polarizes the vacuum source potential around it to come into the battery and causes not only the battery to go into charging mode, but to actually give it a strong charge that is not just a voltage increase, but a load powering capacity increase.

With smaller batteries, Peter and John did thousands of charging/discharging tests - smaller meaning golf cart batteries. As long as the charge/discharge cycles were VERY CONSTANT, the batteries were able to deliver more energy than what left the power supply. Over the weekend when the charge/discharge cycles were not going on, these gains disappeared. There are countless charts that show this very consistent behavior.

Very few people have seen this because most people building these machines are hobbyists and are not setup to have these tests going on day in and day out so 80-95% or so is what they see in battery recovery alone - not including mechanical work from the wheel, which is free."
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As always, nice to see your around and I've been thinking about your words about the spike as I watched Patrick's video. from over 2 years ago..

"The spike.....inductive kickback.....here is where we leave Kansas. To a force which can overcome any impedance....impedance becomes synonymous with conductivity...."

Al
Hey! I'm still here....a lurker.... my words still ringing in your ears...eh?

Have you found the force yet? I got yanked off the stage before I could start describing what I see.....

Patrick isn't using it, no one is as far as I know. Can't use it till you distill it, a process akin to what's implied by "splitting the positive" is necessary. Indirectly JB is starting to discuss such things.....unfortunately, I have yet to see anyone ready to receive and process these new impressions. Oh well....I hope you find it!

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Hey! I'm still here....a lurker.... my words still ringing in your ears...eh?

Have you found the force yet? I got yanked off the stage before I could start describing what I see.....

Patrick isn't using it, no one is as far as I know. Can't use it till you distill it, a process akin to what's implied by "splitting the positive" is necessary. Indirectly JB is starting to discuss such things.....unfortunately, I have yet to see anyone ready to receive and process these new impressions. Oh well....I hope you find it!

Be blessed..


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Anyone else having problems posting or even view this website?
I'm having to use Tor Browser to get here....

anyway... hello erfinder, I'm not surprised I'm not "using it" as I have no idea what you are talking about. My ears are very open however, and am very interested so please share.
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Hey! I'm still here....a lurker....

I got yanked off the stage before I could start describing what I see.....

Can't use it till you distill it, a process akin to what's implied by "splitting the positive" ..............................Oh well....I hope you find it!

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Is there a way to apply your knowledge to Pat's experiment?

So we can get the beginnings of your theory.

Thanks E and you be blessed also Sir.

It seems like this thread could do nicely to get you heard.
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Anyone else having problems posting or even view this website?
I'm having to use Tor Browser to get here....

anyway... hello erfinder, I'm not surprised I'm not "using it" as I have no idea what you are talking about. My ears are very open however, and am very interested so please share.
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Patrick,

You're having trouble seeing this forum without Tor? If you PM me your IP I can see if it is blocked for some reason.
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I'm having to use Tor Browser to get here....

anyway... hello erfinder, I'm not surprised I'm not "using it" as I have no idea what you are talking about. My ears are very open however, and am very interested so please share.
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I'm glad you are open. Open is good, I am not going to go down this road again where I start sharing something I feel passionate about and things gets all weird. Besides, its all speculation anyway, no point discussing a force no one is in the position to use.

With that I have a question for you. You are one of the more dedicated SSG replicators, you have been around for a while, you have many mods under your belt. In my opinion, one of the most important devices presented was the Ferris Wheel. The hub motor is awesome, if you get it.....I don't think anyone does.

JB demonstrates zero cross switching, meaning, the switch is activated when the sine goes to zero. We have never seen the wave that the device generates, however, we are told and shown that when the black dot on the coil and the black dot on the rotor magnet align, the circuit fires, with this information we can speculate as to when he is switching.
  • Have you ever tried getting a machine to spin when firing at the zero crossing?

I tried non stop for about a year after the 2010 conference, and couldn't get it to function. I can understand why so many gave up. People throw in the towel too quickly. When I finally got it to work, imagine my surprise when it didn't take off like a bat out of hell as one would expect it should, owing to the fact that you are switching at a point where CEMF is neither rising nor falling..you know....no current limitation. Instead, consumption is lower than when CEMF is limiting the input current....go figure... There is no quadrature relation between rotor and stator fields, so torque is crap, and because of this, one expects high speed operation, but its not....snails are faster....

I can hear the question....what in the hell does this have to do with the subject. In a word....everything.


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Is there a way to apply your knowledge to Pat's experiment?

So we can get the beginnings of your theory.

Thanks E and you be blessed also Sir.

It seems like this thread could do nicely to get you heard.
Nope....this cannot be applied to what Patrick is doing. It can't be applied to anything that anyone is doing. It was probably premature for me to even mention it.


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Old 12-12-2015, 03:18 AM
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Nope.... It can't be applied to anything that anyone is doing. It was probably premature for me to even mention it.


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I can hear the question....what in the hell does this have to do with the subject. In a word....everything.


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So does that mean I won't be able to hear you out on your discovery
this year or next year or the year after that? When? I am only asking
it isn't going to be a problem if you can't share it.

But seeing how you offered, I figured someone should take you up
on your offer. But it is probably hard to teach something that is
such a remote concept and then there is the question of your
ability to teach. Tolerance and forgiveness is very important when
you try to teach a large across section of the public because you
may have to endure one smart ash and two dumb bells or who knows
what comment of slander will come your way.

But after the smoke clears and you've grown past all of those different
responses looking at it like they are normal/ it is what it is. Come on
"E" hurry up before I an some others who haven't given up on you decide
to take other projects this time around.

In other words, sooner is better, not the other way around.

If you have a coil and some magnets whipping around in a circuit and
the circuits motor and generate the fields any number of ideas
have been used to collect pumped energy.

It can't be so hard that you are the only one who is operating
these motor/generators in an Over Unity condition, if that in fact
is what you have implied.

I am getting anxious to understand your take on this subject that
has been producing more on the output than the input but better
yet maybe you have time, unlike all of the rest, to teach.

One thing is certain, you won't have any impact on people til you
do what say Don. Smith did, spending untold hours in front of
a group getting their minds conditioned to receive from you.

So in light of these facts, maybe it won't matter if you mention
a line here or a line there about what you feel you have found
because no one can put it all together like that anyway.

Here is what I am seeing, I am seeing many elderly men who
wished they would have shared their stuff right away but instead
waited til they were in they 70's and by the time they get their
point across and someone follows their work, it is game over.

It takes 10 years to move us forward AFTER some new effect
has been discovered and another 20 yrs to perfect it. That ought
to be just about right.

Remember I grew up in Detroit with the Bros........
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Old 12-12-2015, 08:15 AM
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So does that mean I won't be able to hear you out on your discovery this year or next year or the year after that? When? I am only asking it isn't going to be a problem if you can't share it.
Your posts are way too long man....

No I will not share my "idea" of the force I mentioned. I am trying to understand it myself, and as such don't have the time nor patients to help you nor anyone else see what I see.

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But seeing how you offered, I figured someone should take you up
on your offer. But it is probably hard to teach something that is
such a remote concept and then there is the question of your
ability to teach. Tolerance and forgiveness is very important when
you try to teach a large across section of the public because you
may have to endure one smart ash and two dumb bells or who knows
what comment of slander will come your way.
I didn't make an offer...My job is not to teach anyone anything, its your job to teach yourself, be your own guru.

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But after the smoke clears and you've grown past all of those different
responses looking at it like they are normal/ it is what it is. Come on
"E" hurry up before I an some others who haven't given up on you decide
to take other projects this time around. In other words, sooner is better, not the other way around.
I recommend you and the few you speak for should give up. I know you wont find what you are looking for in those other projects, but by all means try!

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If you have a coil and some magnets whipping around in a circuit and
the circuits motor and generate the fields any number of ideas
have been used to collect pumped energy.
Stop....just stop, you have no idea....

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It can't be so hard that you are the only one who is operating
these motor/generators in an Over Unity condition, if that in fact
is what you have implied.


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I am getting anxious to understand your take on this subject that
has been producing more on the output than the input but better
yet maybe you have time, unlike all of the rest, to teach.


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One thing is certain, you won't have any impact on people til you
do what say Don. Smith did, spending untold hours in front of
a group getting their minds conditioned to receive from you.


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So in light of these facts, maybe it won't matter if you mention
a line here or a line there about what you feel you have found
because no one can put it all together like that anyway.
Not interested....

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Here is what I am seeing, I am seeing many elderly men who
wished they would have shared their stuff right away but instead
waited til they were in they 70's and by the time they get their
point across and someone follows their work, it is game over.


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It takes 10 years to move us forward AFTER some new effect
has been discovered and another 20 yrs to perfect it. That ought
to be just about right.


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Remember I grew up in Detroit with the Bros........
I mean you no disrespect, like you I call it like I see it. I am curious, do you think before you post? I value every statement I put into the public domain. Folk know you by your work, and see you through your comments. If your posts are a testament of your knowing, and a representation of the individual you would like others to experience ........then one word sums it up for me,

....damn.....


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Old 12-12-2015, 09:45 AM
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My post are not as long as you make when you are trying to
sound like you have the answers.

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Hey! ......................my words still ringing in your ears...eh?

Have you found the force yet? I got yanked off the stage before I could start describing what I see.....

no one is as far as I know. Can't use it till you distill it,
So you want me to feel sorry for you?

Fair enough then I will leave you alone and each time you suggest
that you have something and try to string everyone along like
you might have the secret answer we will all be sure you are not sure.

Fair enough, I didn't realize that, my apologies. I made the mistake
of misinterpreting you thinking once again you might have something to
share, other than that attitude you always bring out.

It is a chip on your shoulder. This is my opinion and I will never address
you again because I feel that you have made me out to be a liar.

You are the one who has suggested that you know the answers
not me. Also I will warn those who might fall into this trap with
you as I did from the first day I came on these forums.

You are the same now as you were then.

I don't trust anything you say and if you were the last man
on earth with the answer I needed I know I wouldn't get any
help from you.

This is my personal observation and the general consensus of
many others who you have belittled, making any question out to
be some sort of issue. Like I said I feel that you have dealt
dishonestly with more than just me.

I apologize for any delay in discussion of another mans thread
that I feel is a deliberate invasion here, so until "E" is no longer
posting his garbage attitude I will no longer be making any posts
where he posts. Oh yeah and you run around blessing people
then stab them in the back.

Of course you would never do that.

Very dishonest SIR. Very few people trust you enough to speak
with you without some sort of stink being stirred up, why is that "E"?

Cut the the shiny gold tooth/show boat big me and little you
routine and get on with it boy. Like I said you won't ever hear from
me again.

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Your posts are way too long man....

No I will not share my "idea"

I know you wont find what you are looking for in those other projects, but by all means try!

Stop....just stop, you have no idea....

I am curious, do you think before you post?

Folk know you by your work, and see you through your comments. If your posts are a testament of your knowing, and a representation of the individual you would like others to experience ........then one word sums it up for me,


....damn.....
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Old 12-12-2015, 11:19 AM
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I will never address you again because I feel that you have made me out to be a liar.

I don't trust anything you say and if you were the last man on earth with the answer I needed I know I wouldn't get any help from you.

I will no longer be making any posts where he posts.

you won't ever hear from me again
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Old 12-12-2015, 06:13 PM
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I went to Minoly's earlier video that explains some of the basics behind the video at the beginning of this thread. "The Spike":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKUbVAMFZqw

I find both of these videos to be important pieces of work.
Minoly starts off the above video "The Spike" by saying:
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"...The three things I want to talk about in relation to the Spike are: How to create it, how to harvest it, and how to use it."
and at the end,

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"... on the forum, let's get into how to create it, how to harvest it, and how to use it."
He shows that the spike produced from discharging a charged cap thru a diode into an inductor has greater amplitude peak to peak than when discharged thru a FWBR. There's some serious energy to be harvested here, but we have to look at new ways of setting up our coils to capture it (in my opinion).

Something from JB that I keep coming back to in my thoughts:
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...At a different point in time I will discuss what the coil is and how quantum mechanics plays an important part in all of this and how you get the extra energy out of the system. I did write a paper for University of Edinburgh along with Dave Clemons that explained the way the coil works in the system as an energy pump and how the SSG in attraction mode works. This is why I said, the Back EMF is always lower than the battery voltage. If you look at the coil in space it can be viewed with vectors all pointing in but not coupled to form energy. As the coil is pulsed compression and decompression takes place these vectors get sucked in through the Bloch Wall while it is in compression mode forming magnetic poles, North and South. This was never released to the public as it would drive everybody nuts. The Engineers at the school answered me with; we never looked at it this way. But the analyses were correct and explained why some machines work better in different areas of this God forsaken planet. Yes Gravity plays an important part in all of this. It’s only a matter of time when you will tap that Gravity wave for energy as that is where my experiments have led me in my work. I know you will read this many times to understand what I have just said and you all know the meaning of this if you do it. If we take this further you now have discovered the answer to the TPU. Some say that the Shaman resonance is responsible for this but the energy is driven by gravity that permeates everything throughout space it’s just a matter how it’s taped for energy. Solid state devices detect this wave if arranged correctly and then the TPU becomes not complicated anymore with windings and high frequency’s oscillators that is what powered Tesla’s car, the box with many vacuum tubes, so again the term Free Energy is wrong as you must put some form of energy in to start the process of conversion and hope you get more out.
Just remember that the energy cannot be destroyed it can only be converted into another form, for example the last version of the SSG...
John Bedini
Source: http://www.energeticforum.com/266282-post3336.html

Erfinder, please keep posting. I've followed your work and always find your reflections on harvesting CEMF a light in the darkness of the reigning electrical thought.

My sense here is that topology key in capturing all that this spike, above and below the zero voltage line, has to offer.
Bob
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Old 12-12-2015, 08:39 PM
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Hi theMinoly,

great video. Loved it. Can I ask how the capacitor is configured in regards to the secondary coil? Im assuming its a diode off the collector and not a bridge rectifier. Is the cap in parallel with the coil?

Erfinder, its good to see you here again

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Old 12-12-2015, 11:34 PM
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Can't use it till you distill it, a process akin to what's implied by "splitting the positive" is necessary. Indirectly JB is starting to discuss such things.....unfortunately, I have yet to see anyone ready to receive and process these new impressions. Oh well....I hope you find it!

Be blessed..


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Like a bifilar winding with the beginnings connected and the ends shorted through the load?
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:35 AM
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Like a bifilar winding with the beginnings connected and the ends shorted through the load?
Bob
Bifilar with the ends shorted is not what I am suggesting. We already have the distillation process, however, the geometry of these system keeps us from being able to appreciate what we have, and what we already know.


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