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#31
12-13-2015, 07:36 AM
 erfinder Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 435
Quote:
 Originally Posted by ren Hi theMinoly, great video. Loved it. Can I ask how the capacitor is configured in regards to the secondary coil? Im assuming its a diode off the collector and not a bridge rectifier. Is the cap in parallel with the coil? Erfinder, its good to see you here again Regards Ren

It's been too long! Hope all is well with you and yours.

Regards
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#32
12-13-2015, 06:22 PM
 THEminoly Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 50
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Bob Smith I went to Minoly's earlier video that explains some of the basics behind the video at the beginning of this thread. "The Spike": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKUbVAMFZqw I find both of these videos to be important pieces of work. Minoly starts off the above video "The Spike" by saying: and at the end, He shows that the spike produced from discharging a charged cap thru a diode into an inductor has greater amplitude peak to peak than when discharged thru a FWBR. There's some serious energy to be harvested here, but we have to look at new ways of setting up our coils to capture it (in my opinion). Bob
I’m still having problems getting to energetic forum as well as energyscienceforum. Internet is working everywhere else…

Hi Bob,

At the end of that video I pose the question… paraphrasing: Can we harvest more of the spike with the FWBR? So when I employed the FWBR or even just add two diodes instead of one, the scope showed a bigger spike….

The reason we see the spike on the scope is because it has nowhere to go. Example: in the SSG if we leave the charge battery off we see a huge spike, when we put the charge battery back on the spike is smaller. This is the battery soaking up the spike. This is a big indicator here of how we can choose a good charge battery, one that will soak up the spike. The same goes for a capacitor. Now the trick is and the hole that many of us fall into including myself, is for the same reasons we can also kill the spike without taking advantage of it at all. Example - Put the spike to a cap and a (bulb/resistor) in parallel, and that is one fantastic way to kill the spike all together. The bulb will light up because of the “back current” not because of the spike

So the hunt to harvest and utilize goes on :-)
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#33
12-13-2015, 06:28 PM
 THEminoly Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 50
Quote:
 Originally Posted by ren Hi theMinoly, great video. Loved it. Can I ask how the capacitor is configured in regards to the secondary coil? Im assuming its a diode off the collector and not a bridge rectifier. Is the cap in parallel with the coil? Erfinder, its good to see you here again Regards Ren
Hi Ren,

it is exactly as you describe.

Diode off the collector goes to a cap and 2nd coil in parallel.
the neg of the cap/coil goes to the + side of the battery.
I hook it up to the + side of the primary to prove there is no other current coming from the primary............ now...... if you would like to add some current..... connect it to the neg of the primary and you will get both, thereby creating another BIG spike. This will allow us to place a lower resistance coil as the 2nd and will allow us to charge a 2nd battery or send to yet a 3rd coil.... it gets complicated to balance it all out

gotta run....
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#34
12-13-2015, 10:52 PM
 Bob Smith Silver Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 795
Quote:
 Originally Posted by THEminoly I’m still having problems getting to energetic forum as well as energyscienceforum. Internet is working everywhere else… Hi Bob, At the end of that video I pose the question… paraphrasing: Can we harvest more of the spike with the FWBR? So when I employed the FWBR or even just add two diodes instead of one, the scope showed a bigger spike…. The reason we see the spike on the scope is because it has nowhere to go. Example: in the SSG if we leave the charge battery off we see a huge spike, when we put the charge battery back on the spike is smaller. This is the battery soaking up the spike. This is a big indicator here of how we can choose a good charge battery, one that will soak up the spike. The same goes for a capacitor. Now the trick is and the hole that many of us fall into including myself, is for the same reasons we can also kill the spike without taking advantage of it at all. Example - Put the spike to a cap and a (bulb/resistor) in parallel, and that is one fantastic way to kill the spike all together. The bulb will light up because of the “back current” not because of the spike So the hunt to harvest and utilize goes on :-)
So if it's a question of not killing the spike, my mind immediately goes to "what kind of secondary will not affect the primary?" The best fit that I can think of is the series wound bifilar secondary, which as I understand it, does not induce secondary reflection back to the primary. Does this seem like a plausible approach to you?
Bob

Edit: So what I'm talking about then is not so much a secondary, as a pickup coil.
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#35
12-13-2015, 11:06 PM
 erfinder Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 435
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Bob Smith So if it's a question of not killing the spike, my mind immediately goes to "what kind of secondary will not affect the primary?" The best fit that I can think of is the series wound bifilar secondary, which as I understand it, does not induce secondary reflection back to the primary. Does this seem like a plausible approach to you? Bob
I don't know where the idea of "killing the spike" comes from, but you cannot. Opposition to change is the mechanism for generating the spike, opposition to change is the inherent characteristic of the coils inductive and capacitive aspects. Therefore killing the inductance or capacitance is the only way to kill the spike.

You do not want a bifilar coil, but you do want the field augmenting aspect that the bifilar configuration brings. So the question would be how to establish those relations, without winding a bifilar coil.

Contrary to popular belief, you want reflection! Impedance becomes the means by and through which reflection becomes practical.

Nature doesn't work like we want it to work, it works how it works, we must observe its ways, comprehend them, and then engineer our systems so as to accommodate Nature.

Regards
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#36
12-14-2015, 01:25 AM
 Bob Smith Silver Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 795
Quote:
 Originally Posted by erfinder I don't know where the idea of "killing the spike" comes from, but you cannot. Opposition to change is the mechanism for generating the spike, opposition to change is the inherent characteristic of the coils inductive and capacitive aspects. Therefore killing the inductance or capacitance is the only way to kill the spike. You do not want a bifilar coil, but you do want the field augmenting aspect that the bifilar configuration brings. So the question would be how to establish those relations, without winding a bifilar coil. Contrary to popular belief, you want reflection! Impedance becomes the means by and through which reflection becomes practical. Nature doesn't work like we want it to work, it works how it works, we must observe its ways, comprehend them, and then engineer our systems so as to accommodate Nature. Regards
Got it. I slipped into conventional thinking, ignoring what I've seen on my own bench. Thank you for waking me up. Now I'm going to go by what I've seen...

I have found that the right amount of impedance in a simple transistor-inductor circuit creates a very productive stress between a lead acid battery and the aether/dielectric. This raised impedance, at the proper point in the circuit, stresses the dielectric and causes it to respond.

I really have to take some time to shift my horizons a little in order to reconsider Minoly's circuit in this light.

As you say, Steve, we want reflection. Perhaps what needs more consideration here is how and where to raise impedance in order to place a productive stress on the dielectric, and then to capture what it offers.

Again, thanks for the wake up call. I hope I haven't led things off track.
Bob
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#37
12-14-2015, 04:39 AM
 OrionLightShip Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 414
@Minoly

Nice work and setup!
So in conventional energy transfer, it's all about impedance matching.
In this case, infinite impedance would be the ideal condition for spike creation and reflection or at least using a capacitor with a low ESR discharging fast enough that the primary coil never reaches the point at which any appreciable current passes through before the kickback. I guess you could call that high impedance in some sense of the word?

I can't help but wonder if the spike hitting the cap is creating a longitudinal displacement wave that is responsible for the power transfer. That said, I would ask that if possible, you might try a "natural" capacitor. Perhaps a simple two plate diy cap, or leyden jar, or even a salt water bottle cap setup? I have to wonder if modern caps don't eat a large portion of what you are searching for?

Just a thought.....and I have to say I know nothing about this.....just something that I would want to try if I had the time.

OrthoParameter lost his email address and password and gained a ninety year old Mother in his house due to neglect in assisted living facility. Too busy to do anything anymore. good luck
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#38
12-14-2015, 02:42 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,235
Axilliary flyback coil and LC resonance.

@Minoly,

You maintain that your auxilliary flyback coil is correctly matched to a capacitor value that produces LC resonance. You go on to infer that the resonance is generating a magnetic field in the coil that is doing meaningful work. My personal research and experimentation confirm your theory: First with the "Tesla Coil Builder" bifilar electro-magnet strength test, and again; Measuring a simple rise in Ohmic resistance from ringing a "Series connected solenoid bifilar coil" on a high-perm ferrite rod.

The creation of a magnetic coil field from LC resonance is an "Overunity Effect", the importance of which can't be stressed strongly enough! Very nice test video.
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#39
12-15-2015, 01:23 AM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,235
Resonant LC freqency and primary pulse in hertz.

Resonance occurs when an LC circuit is driven from an external source at a frequency \omega_0 at which the inductive and capacitive reactances are equal in magnitude. The frequency at which this equality holds for the particular circuit is called the resonant frequency. The resonant frequency of the LC circuit is:

\omega_0 = {1 \over \sqrt{LC}}

where L is the inductance in henries, and C is the capacitance in farads. The angular frequency \omega_0\, has units of radians per second.

The equivalent frequency in units of hertz is:

f_0 = { \omega_0 \over 2 \pi } = {1 \over {2 \pi \sqrt{LC}}}.

It's very simple to tailor the frequency of the flyback spike,, controlled by the primary pulse, to the LC resonance of the auxilliary tank. You can see Minoly tune it in with his potentiometer, without the algebra.
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#40
12-15-2015, 01:33 AM
 THEminoly Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 50
Thanks Allen and Orion.
Erfinder that was a nice post you put up at OU – I hope you do not mind if I quote you here. It’s a bit out of context here, however, I will also provide the link to your vid that might help others:
https://vimeo.com/148736377

“What you are doing is one of many directions. If you take this to where I have been, you will see that its in harmony with what you have been trying to do.”…

Erfinder, by this might you be suggesting something similar in nature to John Bedini is doing with his Ferris Wheel – if so, now I might have some direction as to what you are talking about…

“ The way I do what you have been demonstrating is a more direct, and all encompassing method. When you get the magnetics in both the inducer and the inducing in the proper relation, you can take advantage of inductive kickback via transformer action. Doing such you can do the same thing you are suggesting, without sacrificing and or rerouting the potential generated at the switch. This translates into...work on the rotor, plus an electrical out, plus the electrical that you recover at the switch.....some would and have called this more out than in....I don't share this view, I humbly say its a step in the right direction.

Always keep in mind that we are not collecting the collapsing magnetic field, we are collecting a potential which is induced by the collapsing magnetic field. Since we are not collecting the field itself, we can position ourselves to take advantage of its inducing power. Proper phase relations must be established, or we cause the system to fight itself in accordance with the well established laws.

In the end, you will learn much from this if you choose to. I found that if you are trying to prove something to someone other than yourself, you end up making too many references to what we already know, this leads to the premature introduction of measurement equipment. I hope you leave the scope out of this one, and just feel your way through this one....its well worth it.

My time with the wave forms you are now beginning to explore have revealed a far superior way of doing things. One of these days I will get around to shooting a video of it in action. Don't hold your breath though....I take my time with these things. That being said....in light of my new direction, I don't recommend you get too comfortable.”
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#41
12-15-2015, 01:58 AM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,235
Axilliary flyback coil and LC magnetic field resonance.

The important thing to understand in Minoly's flyback test video, is that the magnetic field strength of the secondary coil does not come from the small amount of power in the flyback spike. The magnetic field strength comes from the LC tank resonance. This is a "Free Lunch"! The magnetic field is created at perhaps tens of thousands of times per second. The exact resonating frequency is very simple to calculate from the proportion of the capacitance in Farads and the coil inductance in Henries. All the flyback spike does is to drive the oscillation at a harmonic interval, and discharge the capacitor into the coil for the power pulse. The oscillation is what powers the coil's magnetic field, not the energy in the flyback spike. This is an important "Overunity Effect"!

The really exciting aspect of Minoly's test demonstration is that it appears as if it may be feasible to "Daisy Chain" any number of LC resonant flyback pulse coils in series.

I believe we're on the verge of a major breakthrough!
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#42
12-15-2015, 04:43 AM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,235
Oscillation frequency and LC resonance.

The Hertz factor is the oscillation frequency of the primary coil, triggered by the pendulum magnet and controlled by the base resistance potentiometer. The primary backspike must be an A.C. signal that matches the LC tank self resonant frequency for it to power the auxilliary (capacitor-coil) oscillation. The power in the flyback must build the capacitor charge to it's maximum discharge level where it then fires into the inductor. The polarity of the discharge must be controlled by the position of the capacitor electrodes. Therefore a second LC auxilliary (capacitor-coil) should drop the combined pulse frequency by half. Perhaps no overunity here after all!
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#43
12-15-2015, 07:04 AM
 erfinder Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 435
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Allen Burgess The Hertz factor is the oscillation frequency of the primary coil, triggered by the pendulum magnet and controlled by the base resistance potentiometer. The primary backspike must be an A.C. signal that matches the LC tank self resonant frequency for it to power the auxilliary (capacitor-coil) oscillation. The power in the flyback must build the capacitor charge to it's maximum discharge level where it then fires into the inductor. The polarity of the discharge must be controlled by the position of the capacitor electrodes. Therefore a second LC auxilliary (capacitor-coil) should drop the combined pulse frequency by half. Perhaps no overunity here after all!
A tank is a very special circuit in my opinion. In all the years that I have spent in these circles, I have never seen these questions asked. I hope you don't mind my asking you.

What do you think is being exchanged between L and C at resonance? Is it power? Energy? Both? Or Neither?

Via what mechanism is this exchange made possible?

Regards
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#44
12-15-2015, 09:46 AM
 THEminoly Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 50
In previous videos, you were able to produce the effect and for brief moments the rotor sped up when you removed the hall/trigger (shut power off) at the same time the voltage on your primary source buffer cap increased. Have you been able to prolong the ring? What “distilling” process are you aiming for?

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 Originally Posted by erfinder A tank is a very special circuit in my opinion. In all the years that I have spent in these circles, I have never seen these questions asked. I hope you don't mind my asking you. What do you think is being exchanged between L and C at resonance? Is it power? Energy? Both? Or Neither? Via what mechanism is this exchange made possible? Regards
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#45
12-15-2015, 11:06 AM
 erfinder Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 435
Quote:
 Originally Posted by THEminoly In previous videos, you were able to produce the effect and for brief moments the rotor sped up when you removed the hall/trigger (shut power off) at the same time the voltage on your primary source buffer cap increased. Have you been able to prolong the ring? What “distilling” process are you aiming for?
Are you asking me or were you prompted to ask me by someone?

I have no desire to discuss my machines in any detail on these platforms. I have been there, got booed and banned when I refused to share potential profits from selling kits.

I have no desire for my work to be copied by the one who still holds my posts and one of my generation 1 machines hostage on the other forum. I refuse to allow him to profit from my effort.

Regards
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#46
12-15-2015, 11:27 AM
 THEminoly Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 50
Quote:
 Originally Posted by erfinder Are you asking me or were you prompted to ask me by someone? I have no desire to discuss my machines in any detail on these platforms. I have been there, got booed and banned when I refused to share potential profits from selling kits. I have no desire for my work to be copied by the one who still holds my posts and one of my generation 1 machines hostage on the other forum. I refuse to allow him to profit from my effort. Regards
It's just ME asking. as you brought up distillation in an earlier post here. No worries, I understand about not sharing. I don't show half the stuff I'm working on...
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#47
12-15-2015, 11:29 AM
 erfinder Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 435
Quote:
 Originally Posted by THEminoly It's just ME asking. as you brought up distillation in an earlier post here. No worries, I understand about not sharing. I don't show half the stuff I'm working on...

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#48
12-15-2015, 04:52 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,235
LC resonance.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by erfinder A tank is a very special circuit in my opinion. In all the years that I have spent in these circles, I have never seen these questions asked. I hope you don't mind my asking you. What do you think is being exchanged between L and C at resonance? Is it power? Energy? Both? Or Neither? Via what mechanism is this exchange made possible? Regards
@Erfinder,

What I believe I've gathered from Minoly so far is that he has his auxilliary coil and capacitor in parallel, placed where the charge battery is located in the Bedini SSG. I succeeded in lighting a 120 volt A.C. LED bulb in place of the charge battery in the same circuit. The LC tank generates an A.C. current in the wires between the inductor and capacitor. It takes an A.C. current input of equal frequency to sustain the oscillation. It appears that Minoly tunes his bifilar primary oscillation to match the self resonating frequency of the auxilliary coil LC tank by adjusting the transistor base resistance with the potentiometer. The A.C. flyback current appears to be greater then what's required to sustain the LC tank resonance. The capacitor must charge to it's maximum potential, then discharge suddenly into the inductor to generate the pulse, then the oscillation resumes. The inductor already has a magnetic field level present from the oscillation when the capacitor discharges, and I believe these two magnetic fields are additive.
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#49
12-15-2015, 08:52 PM
 OrionLightShip Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 414
Quote:
 Originally Posted by erfinder Are you asking me or were you prompted to ask me by someone? Regards
stay cool no one cares about distilling unicorn poop.

Quote:
 Originally Posted by erfinder I have no desire to discuss my machines in any detail on these platforms. I have been there, got booed and banned when I refused to share potential profits from selling kits. Regards

Quote:
 Originally Posted by erfinder I have no desire for my work to be copied by the one who still holds my posts and one of my generation 1 machines hostage on the other forum. Regards
How can something like a post, placed in public domain be held hostage?

I paid you a small fortune for that kit and "The ONE of whom you speak" bought it from me for half a small fortune. It is legally and rightfully his machine, not yours.

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 Originally Posted by erfinder I refuse to allow him to profit from my effort. Regards
No one ever will, right?
You seem to be moving towards the same advertising trajectory as before.
Garnering interest and then complaining because you aren't allowed to sell them. Backdoor tactics.

Love you man....too bad you refuse to teach and share more
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#50
12-15-2015, 10:42 PM
 Matthew Jones Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,741
Quote:
 Originally Posted by OrionLightShip stay cool no one cares about distilling unicorn poop. you can't sell things for free on ebay either....try craigslist How can something like a post, placed in public domain be held hostage? I paid you a small fortune for that kit and "The ONE of whom you speak" bought it from me for half a small fortune. It is legally and rightfully his machine, not yours. No one ever will, right? You seem to be moving towards the same advertising trajectory as before. Garnering interest and then complaining because you aren't allowed to sell them. Backdoor tactics. Love you man....too bad you refuse to teach and share more
Here here brother a stand up ovation and applauses. Just tell it like it is.

Matt
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#51
12-15-2015, 11:24 PM
 stonewater Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 88
the of whom you speak

yup its my machine. had fun building it and running it. beautiful craftsmanship!! credit where credit due. took the machine the video and test equipment to a very credible over unity experimenting PHD type who has replicated every machine imaginable (newman Bedini papp hendershot) and has millions of dollars of test equipment.

its a machine that makes unicorn poop. I could post a link to my assembly vidoes and the "test videos" that show nothing.

your last words to me were something to the effect of "I will not share with people until they see what I see" no one sees what you see... thousands of posts hundreds of pages and still no one sees what you see..... NO ONE

prove my words wrong, show your machine and your work, its what everyone is asking for it can be replicated easily with 2 coils and a north south rotor, and a hall driven fet switch. oh and you need a 300 volt power supply... the harmonic square wave EFFECT does not show up at lower voltages. you want people to understand you..... or maybe you don't I just don't know.

everyone listen to Patrick, one of the smartest guy on the planet as far as I am concerned. every thing he discovers he shares, and he shows you how to do it. follow him and you will get exactly what you need.

if you would like to see it let me know I will bring it to the next conference in cour de lane we can all play with it.

Tom C
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#52
12-16-2015, 08:02 PM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 6,130
Quote:
 Originally Posted by OrionLightShip stay cool no one cares about distilling unicorn poop. you can't sell things for free on ebay either....try craigslist How can something like a post, placed in public domain be held hostage? I paid you a small fortune for that kit and "The ONE of whom you speak" bought it from me for half a small fortune. It is legally and rightfully his machine, not yours. No one ever will, right? You seem to be moving towards the same advertising trajectory as before. Garnering interest and then complaining because you aren't allowed to sell them. Backdoor tactics. Love you man....too bad you refuse to teach and share more

Quote:
 Originally Posted by stonewater yup its my machine. had fun building it and running it. beautiful craftsmanship!! credit where credit due. took the machine the video and test equipment to a very credible over unity experimenting PHD type who has replicated every machine imaginable (newman Bedini papp hendershot) and has millions of dollars of test equipment. its a machine that makes unicorn poop. I could post a link to my assembly vidoes and the "test videos" that show nothing. your last words to me were something to the effect of "I will not share with people until they see what I see" no one sees what you see... thousands of posts hundreds of pages and still no one sees what you see..... NO ONE prove my words wrong, show your machine and your work, its what everyone is asking for it can be replicated easily with 2 coils and a north south rotor, and a hall driven fet switch. oh and you need a 300 volt power supply... the harmonic square wave EFFECT does not show up at lower voltages. you want people to understand you..... or maybe you don't I just don't know. everyone listen to Patrick, one of the smartest guy on the planet as far as I am concerned. every thing he discovers he shares, and he shows you how to do it. follow him and you will get exactly what you need. if you would like to see it let me know I will bring it to the next conference in cour de lane we can all play with it. Tom C

And so ends the "Smoke and Mirrors Saga" of

"Vote for me and I'll set you free" at the "Cult of Personality"

Yes I agree that Pat is our lead man and we will have no pushing

and shoving from now on.

I'll stand back a while to see if we were all wrong.

Good to see you Tom.
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12-16-2015, 09:28 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,235
Axilliary flyback LC coil and spinning magnet.

Minoly is not using the oscillating primary coil magnetic field to do any work. Spinning a neo magnet sphere at an R.P.M. that matched the self resonating frequency of the auxilliary LC tank would permit the primary coil to do work, along with the auxilliary flyback coil. Spinning the neo sphere would also increase the overall efficiency of the circuit. Increasing the capacitance of the auxilliary LC coil tank would lower the self resonating frequency to match the neo sphere R.P.M.or; Reducing the diameter of the magnet sphere would raise the R.P.M. to match the resonant frequency of the tank. A larger capacitor coupled with a smaller ball would narrow the range toward resonance. Spinning the neo sphere would generate a much more powerful flyback spike, imparting extra punch, and higher frequency to the auxilliary flyback pulse; Probably enough to power an additional magnet rotor! This would allow us to harvest output from both coils.
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12-16-2015, 11:57 PM
 OrionLightShip Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 414
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 Originally Posted by BroMikey And so ends the "Smoke and Mirrors Saga" of "Vote for me and I'll set you free" at the "Cult of Personality" Yes I agree that Pat is our lead man and we will have no pushing and shoving from now on. I'll stand back a while to see if we were all wrong. Good to see you Tom.
BM - While I found it necessary to right a wrong, I didn't enjoy it and I don't know why you found it necessary to comment other than you seem to have a need to put your brown-nosing fingerprints on every single thread on this forum.

I like a lot of things about Erfinder. I find him to be intelligent, dedicated, witty, funny, charismatic and just plain fun to talk to. I find none of those traits in you.

Don't quote anything I say as an excuse to post....ever
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12-17-2015, 02:57 AM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 6,130
Quote:
 Originally Posted by OrionLightShip BM - While I found it necessary to right a wrong, I didn't enjoy it and I don't know why you found it necessary to comment other than you seem to have a need to put your brown-nosing fingerprints on every single thread on this forum. I like a lot of things about Erfinder. I find him to be intelligent, dedicated, witty, funny, charismatic and just plain fun to talk to. I find none of those traits in you. Don't quote anything I say as an excuse to post....ever
You don't know much of what is going on so this is why you don't
know but you go ahead and think what you like. I just don't like
being lied to or called one.

As for you, it just doesn't make any sense the way you are carrying
on. I find you offensive like Erfinder but thats just me. You are obviously
not here to make things right all the way around, it's all about you and
the strings you can pull.

I see through you also. Just someone
who got suckered into buying junk and this is more important than

I was here before you were a couple of weeks back and he lied in my face
then but you go ahead with your self righteous attitude that is no better.

I am glad that you called an ace an ace, that's all.

And as far as me speaking to folks in an interactive way that you seem
to hate, let me just say that this is what the forum is for. Is that why we
never hear from you? Because of your uncontrolled displays of irrationality?

Shame on you. If men are found to be dishonest then you shouldn't butter
them up for doing it. I don't like to see people use their wonderful gifts
and talents to deceive others and I don't enjoy seeing the fruit of their
misappropriation of those gifts. It's a dirty job yes and you did it without
joy. I commend you for this. Quite right.

If someone sells another man a kit for good money and it doesn't work
the way that it was specified then people around the world need to be
told to watch out so they don't get burned also.

Email him private if you like him so well and butter him there.

If John Bedini sold a kit that didn't work, what would people say?

Or anyone else for that matter. If you didn't want people to find out
why did you post your findings to the world?

See, you have some major problems. You are treating me no differently
than E treated me with one slight of hand trick after another.

It just isn't a proper way to communicate with one another if working
together is what you are here for.

You're a mess. And stop putting him on a pedestal. He is a fake. I
understand how you are hurt over this as you thought he was a friend.
I am sorry. I know what it is like.

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#56
12-17-2015, 04:51 AM
 forelle Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 42
May i ask you what kit do you mean from JB?What means working for you?
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#57
12-17-2015, 05:05 AM
 BroMikey Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 6,130
Quote:
 Originally Posted by forelle May i ask you what kit do you mean from JB?What means working for you?
Well John B. sells many free energy products such as his Tesla battery
technology. Or I have seen his bike wheel SSG in full operation and it
does what he says it does.

When i say working, I mean that if tuned properly the SSG kits will
do a 1:1 or a 1.1:1 COP just as stated in the user guide.

The issue is not John Bedini here, he is an honest person. As for the rest
this remains to be seen. Also Pat is an honest person, whatever he
suggests the replicator do, it turns out just like he says.

As for the rest, this remains to be seen.

I first came on the web a few years back after being away and wanted
to build a circuit called a Joule Thief and did. Next I saw John Bedini's
work and Lasersaber and Minoly (Patrick) featuring a solid state version
the the SSG called the SSSG or solid state School Girl circuit.

It worked just as Pat had shown in his diagram. For this I will always
trust him to be honest. As for the rest, this remains to be seen.

i know I am repeating myself, that's the way it is when I get cranked
up dogmatic like. I don't enjoy the shaft. John Bedini has been accused
of saying the his SSG would run your house but these are lies.

I take it you have a bone to pick with John's kits?

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#58
12-17-2015, 10:41 AM
 RAMSET Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NYC and Conn USA Posts: 1,420
the rest of the story......

Mikey
your Vid above is part of a measurement analysis series for a "magnets can do useful work" claim by TinMan.

Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.

respectfully
Chet
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#59
12-17-2015, 02:28 PM
 erfinder Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 435
With my kit, the following can be experienced:

• 30-50 percent recovery (on par with SG in intermediate)
• Transformer action, its effect and relation to recovery, how to collect at the switch and via a pickup.
• Generator action, its effect and relation to transformer action and recovery
• Coil shorting as a mechanism for boosting generator voltage
• Back charging of supply
• Harmonics and superimposition's for the production of rectangular wave shapes and energy storage

This is my machine, and my thoughts about how and why it does what it does. I could care less what these folk here are saying about my person nor the device they clearly don't comprehend. Effects and principles, mine, is all I ever offered anyone. In purchasing the kit, you were supporting my research, this was made clear to any and all prior to them receiving anything from me. I presented several ideas with this machine which I haven't seen being discussed on any of the forums.

You people (you know who you are) play it down, play it off like its nothing. Not a problem. I speak funny.....I speak in riddles....this is what is said, fact is, I tell it like I see it. You don't see it like I see it, not a problem for me. I am the one making the statements, I am not required to change, if you want and that's the key, if you want to understand something I say, you have to adapt your thinking.

mr. Parrot....You go right ahead and show the kit at a conference, I couldn't pay for better advertising. Go right ahead and bash my creation in front of a packed audience, tell them how crappy it is, make sure you tell them that our opinions are miles apart, and that in all honesty they would need to consult me to really find out what the thing is and why it was built. When enough have seen its piss poor presentation and handling, if they are thinking individuals and not a parrot like yourself, they will ask for clarification and I will be here to make you look as stupid as you do right now speaking on a subject you are totally F***ing clueless on.

mr. Parrot, you and your high paid expert barked up the wrong damn tree genius (small g). You and your high paid guy friend tried to find what was never claimed to exist, for the purpose of making me look bad. In the end guy, you look bad, as that is not nor was it claimed to be a more out than in or free energy machine. You wasted 300 dollars per hour, or should I say......he took your money.... Do us both a favor, sell the kit you got but didn't get from me, the one who made it, to one with a brain, and I'll walk that person though what it can do.

Judas....keep the love....

In all truth, an insult from Matt is always welcomed, what hurts though is I didn't take you for a joiner....
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#60
12-17-2015, 05:48 PM
 Matthew Jones Platinum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,741
Just keep hearing "magical mystery" and for some reason never seen it, and of course anybody who points that out or argues with it has to endure a psychological analysis of his/her personality traits.
Take it from experience no matter what you build someone will change the name and call it their own. Either run with it open source or keep it to yourself. And count on everyone having an opinion. You are not important because you write well.

Oh and I haven't joined anyone I was trying to follow the conversation the fact your friend slammed you just tickled me. And he couldn't more on track.

I hope Minoly posts more. I am trying to find the thread from about 6 years ago in which all this was discussed before, as well as what Woopy is covering from Gotoluc. Total energy in the spike and how to reuse it. I won't go into what I know because I cannot speak/type magically.

Matt
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