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Old 01-24-2014, 03:05 PM
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This is why we don't have free energy

This video might make you realize why after all these years nothing useful has come from any of the familiar forums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhWhoCvtRJg
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That's why we have to pin down a home brew design that can be made with existing parts that is potent enough to be worth building for yourself. Earth batteries do no good to someone in a urban setting. solar+batteries are too expensive for those that are needy enough to care. Small scale wind has noise and animal life concerns and in many places has sporadic output.

Anything put through official channels is a target. Anyone who claims to own it is due to be a crank, pariah, to disappear (either the grave or Tahiti) or simply be gagged by a government agency.

The only way to get past those fates are to have it small simple to build with some instruction and teach committed people to make it the same day your claim is submitted to a neutral patent system like Germany's. Having people pass on the practical know how keeps any sort of gag from working as there will be too many targets to track. Literally knowledge is power. If the patent is for a public license that simply puts your name on the Nobel prize, which I hear has a million dollars attached.

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Have those committed people teach other people all on the condition they pass it forward.
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Watch this video from 2:00 to 3:40 and we get an idea of how much money and resources go into control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kNcNlMNtSI

Now if anyone thinks that they don't run side tracker ops, in order to lead people
in false directions, I would say that is naive.

Simply paying people to denounce things makes no sense, it would be better
to lead them astray with some sugar, than to try to throw salt on them.

In other words I think quite a number of the so called suppressed free energy
devices are in fact the sugar. I think some fakes are highly engineered in order
to cause confusion false hopes. I think Don Smith was one of them.

At one of his question sessions a guy in a blue hat asks him to see in the box
if what is in the box is shown anyway, But Don got real nasty and made a
veiled threat about big money/powerful interests involved and that the guy did
not want to push his luck, if he knew what was good for him.

Steve Mark again another I think is suspicious. What better way to relegate
the idea of free energy to folly than to have people endlessly search in the
wrong directions.

I don't think the dark forces involved sit around and wait for people to to find free energy then suppress them.

I think they actively flood the internet and other venues with good fakes and
bad fakes alike, if they get 1 million experimenters all looking for free energy
from Don Smiths setups then that is a job well done because they are busy
chasing rainbows.

Does anyone really think if there Tariel actually had knowledge of a free
energy device such as he claims and was not on the payroll they would allow him to continue ?

I think the rabbit hole runs deep under our feet.

I see more suppression in the fakes than ever could happen from people with some skepticism.

I think we need to be more discerning and think about why some good fakes make for good suppression.

Before money all energy was free. Think about that.

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Go to 1:40 in the video below and watch clearly the demo charges in building 7.

Also earlier the reporter reported building 7 down when it was still up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Trj_5J02k

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what the American numpties saw after expensive editing

WTC2 collapse - YouTube

and the actual footage and sound track

cutter - YouTube

wonder why they altered that

It was mostly Banksters in there anyway wasn't it ? mad bastards are eating their young !
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I don't think the dark forces involved sit around and wait for people to to find free energy then suppress them.

I think they actively flood the internet and other venues with good fakes and
bad fakes alike, if they get 1 million experimenters all looking for free energy
from Don Smiths setups then that is a job well done because they are busy
chasing rainbows.

Does anyone really think if there Tariel actually had knowledge of a free
energy device such as he claims and was not on the payroll they would allow him to continue ?

I see more suppression in the fakes than ever could happen from people with some skepticism.

I think we need to be more discerning and think about why some good fakes make for good suppression.

Before money all energy was free. Think about that.

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Why not actively look? If I was responsible for the well being of an oil cartel, a billion dollars a year wouldn't be out of line to remain at the top of the energy food chain. How many buyouts, payoffs, and hit men could that buy? In my mind at that position I would see it as preserving order for the sake of billions of people and trillions of future earnings. In fact how dare those freak inventors try to throw the world into chaos by putting so many people out of their means of "earning a living".

flooding is unnecessary, cons and pranks abound simply from the desire to milk the suckers.

Suppression in fakes, once you have a few higher profile fakes you no longer have to pay as the natural number of hardcore disbelievers will denounce new comers for free.

How many of the fakes started as fakes? Invent something and show it to respectable authorities and to the public at the same time, that causes a problem. So first you threaten the lives of the people the inventor loves the most. Then tell him during a public test phase if he is exposed as a fraud and you'll not only ensure the safety of the loved ones but the inventor will be compensated after dropping of the map. The scenario leaves the public seeing no suppression, they just see another fraud and a reason to say if "it's to good to be true..." The Yıldız motor comes to mind with this scenario. He could have been intimidated into changing his motor to out himself. we might never know if it really worked.

Before money slaves could rebel, you new the name of the master and the faces of the overseers. We are slaves, money is our overseer, and the entities that issue it are the masters. Now we love our overseer and the masters don't just own us they own everything and are so removed as to be held blameless by the ignorant masses.
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I'm sorry but I can't watch the video because it is just not true that we do not have "free energy".

John Bedini has been quite open and clearly has demonstrated a free energy device for many years.

You take one battery and you charge 4 or 10 or how many other batteries you want. Then you use those charged batteries to run your devices through a sine wave inverter. You also use that energy to charge back your charging battery. Then you just continue. Anyone who researched it could have a battery bank and run many needs for their home if not their entire house with this simple system.

Or you use one large bank to charge another, run your load and turn around and recharge that bank back again and just rinse and repeat. John also showed this in his videos for many years now.

John has demonstrated this system for many years. He has published the circuits and even explained the theory. So what excuse does ANYBODY have? None.

Who out there can say we do not have "free energy" devices or plans on the market?

The problem is that people want something "new" and they don't use what they have. THAT is the problem my fiends. It is not the secret "new world order" or anything else keeping anyone from having "free energy". It as with most things in our lives, it's the person we see looking at us in the mirror that is our greatest enemy.

The principle of these "free energy" devices also has been clearly explained and if you look at any such device, the principle is the same... from Stan Meier to Rossi to Bedini.... all the same principle. But who can see it? It's simple and clear. You get that, you get how it works. While I don't agree with all of Bearden's interpretations - he explains it best.

So no excuses guys, and no one is going to be able to stop you unless you waste your time spinning your wheels in useless directions.

If you guys really knew how short time is and what is really important - I promise that you wouldn't want to do anything but get to know Jesus in a very personal way. Because that is the only thing that will help you make it through what is to soon come.

Bedini/Cejka: "Time Ends" in the 2030's (Energy From the Vacuum 20)

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Open Source Freedom...

Great Thread indeed...

Even though many of Us knew this way before this guy aired this video...

There is absolutely no "Neutral Patenting Country"...a big mistake...ALL or Majority of high developed countries and even sub developed countries are Enrolled into the PCT (Patent Commonwealth Treaty)...and guiess who is "on charge"...yes, indeed...the USPTO.

Once you patent an idea, or a model (even worst)...and it contains a threat to "National Security"...you trigger, automatically, two main agencies "interests"...the DoD and the DoE...Who are Above Top USPTO Chief Examiner...

The TPTB has already built all the Legal Laws to silence you as a "legally protected" Inventor ... ...check Inventor Secrecy Act from the 1950's...

If what this guy built...is a very powerful way of a Thrust Force/Motor/Power Train to be used to pro-pulse ships into Space...He is automatically under "High Interest Targeting"...as anything that can "easily" get off the ground...becomes a very dangerous form of transporting ...you would have to be "regulated" by the FAA...or let's call it "approved"...in order to produce it or sell it...

Do it Open Source and show others how to get off ground by building "something" in your own garage...once it is proven to be very stable...and cheap to build...spread it...there would be tons building it...then TPTB could do absolutely nada.


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what the American numpties saw after expensive editing

WTC2 collapse - YouTube

and the actual footage and sound track

cutter - YouTube

wonder why they altered that

It was mostly Banksters in there anyway wasn't it ? mad bastards are eating their young !
Hey Duncan,

What a "perfect" demolition man!!

Watch this video analysis it seem nobody noticed...til now.

Flight 175 rare video- proof of 9 11 no plane hoax - YouTube

The Second Plane left wing goes behind a further away building (according to my Architecture Studies and 3D Interaction and Perspective)...this escaped from the "Artist View" when making the Layered CGI Planes...

I just can not believe nobody noticed this major mistake in a Rushed CGI Video, to make it "On Time" to the Press Broadcasting Media...

Original Video by CNN here at normal speed, same error...:

2nd Plane WTC - facebook.com/autonomous.anonymous - YouTube

I asked myself where all this great and Infamous UFO Video Debunkers were instead of Debunking this Criminal Act?

Here is the "Real" way an all Aluminum and HSLA (High Strength Light Alloy) Plane will result when hitting a Solid Concrete Wall...Plane literally gets "absorbed" by the concrete wall...and NEVER cut through it like a knife through butter...

plane crash-test against concrete wall - YouTube

Now, can somebody explain how come it could be ever possible...to see right at the bottom of all this massive debris...a piece like that of the plane windows?



Not to mention about the "perfect condition" passport found there also...from one of the Terrorists...


Sorry as this maybe all out of context...but it is all part of this same conspiracy people...TPTB.



Bastards!


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How bout you low life's mention the name of some one you know who died at the trade center? Or on one of the plane's? What?? You don't know anyone.....Hmmm. Ya'll got alot nerve. I knew I was in the company of scum bags But DUNCAN and UFO, Ya'll take the cake. Pure F****n Trash.

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All information is out there...for FREE

All the pictures, writings, conclusions, videos, analysis and all details I have posted in prior post, are ALL out there on the NET, for anyone to make their final judgement call. I did NOT make any single conclusion than what has been published, broadcasted in all Social Media, and has been out for a very long time.

Mainly a majority of all the Families of the victims are the ones not satisfied with the results from the closed 911 Investigative Commission, which decided to close their doors down recently.

And there still much more than what I have posted here, more convincing proof and evidence, and worst mistakes made by the Planners of this Open Assassination of Thousands of Innocent American People...most of us knows that is not all.

This -supposedly- is a FREE Country, that abides the Human Rights on FREE SPEECH, FREE EXPOSURE OF YOUR IDEAS and Conclusions as to decide to be in either side...The Darkness or the Light.


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How bout you low life's mention the name of some one you know who died at the trade center? Or on one of the plane's? What?? You don't know anyone.....Hmmm. Ya'll got alot nerve. I knew I was in the company of scum bags But DUNCAN and UFO, Ya'll take the cake. Pure F****n Trash.

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What a lot of sanctimonious Crap Matt . There are plenty of active groups.

Questions about the 9/11 attacks? 9/11 Truth Movement? - 911Truth.Org

made up of large numbers of grieving relations and concerned citizens . They like the vast majority of decent people wish
the filth and the evil corruption of tptb (The powers that be) exposed.
They are joined by thousands of skilled professionals world wide out raged at what happened that day

World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth

Yes I could name some one I knew for you, but why ? Why should any particular body from that disgusting event take precedence ?
That any one of them should die in vain with out what many Thousands of fully trained architects around the world are saying loud and clear was a ' false flag' Internal operation being exposed, that would be the real truly disgusting horror.
So you seem to think calling folks F'ing trash is the way to go about things Matt, well I disagree there is IMHO a horrible rotten cankerous growth that's got into society not just America although she seems to have the lions share, but ..World wide IMHO the 7/7 bombings in London were also a 'false flag' operation, and some assassinations come straight to mind .. don't they ?

7/7 Conspiracy Theories and Connecting the Dots | Global Research

The filth that is ruling our world by evil, and slight of hand, needs exposing, the root cause examined and the perpetrators brought to book.
Some sort of sanity needs to be re- introduced to society where by our so called 'public servants'
return to that role rather than the roles they are taking on now of camp commandants and Capos.
Their criminal friends In the city of London and on wall street The Banksters, also need rapid attention a harsh bit fitted and the reins given a smart tug . Some-thing’s gone very wrong with humanity when these minor functionaries are claiming huge amounts of humanities wealth and holding countries and their populations to ransom.
It's gone pear shaped guys … very pear shaped. This forum isn't about energy .. It never was, Its about this

John Perkins, Part 2 at the VFP National Convention - YouTube

There's no shortage of energy in America or any where else for that matter. This quite clearly tells you so

The Energy Non-Crisis- Lindsay Williams -Truth about Oil and Oil prices - YouTube

what there is a shortage of is decent, incorruptible, people In positions of power. This cancer we have allowed to spread throughout the world is going to have to be tackled if humanity is to survive. And IMHO sooner rather than later. Evil thrives in the dark, its done in secret behind closed doors, stick your head in the sand like an ostrich and your children and grandchildren will have to pay the cost with huge compounded Interest , perhaps for ever because this could well be the ambition of tptb and their ilk .

EndGame HQ full length version - YouTube

So Matt I would suggest this .. If you did loose friends or family in any of these débâcle’s , don't rage and swear at UFO or Me for bringing it to light, rather rage and swear at a rotten systems that allowed it to happen and still refuses to allow proper investigation. I hate to be rude …. but your barking up the wrong tree.



If you also think the actions of those in authority who we rely on and are forced to put our trust in,
is all correct and above board regarding these horrendous incidents, then of course 'leave the joint'
you can contribute little.
I think however (and I suspect UFO does too) that the WTC the London Bombings and many hundreds if not thousands of incidents world wide are orchestrated by what we refer to loosely as tptb (the powers that be) … That is all … as if it wasn't enough ! The ****ing trash salutes you
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How bout you low life's mention the name of some one you know who died at the trade center? Or on one of the plane's? What?? You don't know anyone.....Hmmm. Ya'll got alot nerve. I knew I was in the company of scum bags But DUNCAN and UFO, Ya'll take the cake. Pure F****n Trash.

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I didn't know anyone first hand but I new the brother of one. The guy was a jerk and I never met the brother. BUT! that doesn't change the fact that The world keeps being screwed over by self serving Machiavellian architects and you go spastic over people pointing it out?!?! Then I applaud your rage quit.
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what there is a shortage of is decent, incorruptible, people In positions of power. This cancer we have allowed to spread throughout the world is going to have to be tackled if humanity is to survive. And IMHO sooner rather than later. Evil thrives in the dark, its done in secret behind closed doors, stick your head in the sand like an ostrich and your children and grandchildren will have to pay the cost with huge compounded Interest , perhaps for ever because this could well be the ambition of tptb and their ilk .
There may be one little snag in your thinking, now let's say we did have decent, incorruptible, people in positions of power. What would they do?, well they would give us total freedom and free energy and free food and everyone would be very happy and content. Wonderful, now what would all these happy people do?. Oh dear they would consume even more resources faster and most likely breed like rats moreso than today.

Now Duncan where do you suppose were going to put all these fat happy people breeding like freaking rats and consuming all the rapidly dwindling natural resources?. According to your little plan we could expect 40 billion people on the planet still breeding like rats and living in squalor because all of the resources are now gone and they will be looking for someone to blame for their own stupidity.

So Duncan I have to wonder what your going to do with all those darn people?, you know the ones who will say you are a tyrant when you try to change their self-destructive ways. The one's who would say you are evil and working behind closed doors against them because of their god given right to consume everything in their path and breed themselves out of existence.
Your barking up the wrong tree pal because what you want is to destroy the planet, the American dream.

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Now Duncan where do you suppose were going to put all these fat happy people breeding like freaking rats and consuming all the rapidly dwindling natural resources.
Your barking up the wrong tree pal because what you want is to destroy the planet, the American dream.
No Allcanadian.
Duncan wishes to save the planet from being destroyed by pollution from increasingly serious, self appointed PTB and their fuel related taxation schemes and disasters.

This is quite separate from essential population control regulation which TPTB appear to regulate via wars, disasters and pollution instead of education and regulated birth control.

But then all of this is how they are implementing their own NWO, isn't it !

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You mean tptb created pollution?, wow that is an interesting fact. Here I thought it was from all us people buying useless **** we don't need and consuming everything in sight like a herd of locusts. Well I might just go out and buy a new Dodge 4x4 hemi and add on to the house if tptb are always to blame for everything.

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In the last two years more people were born than all those who died in every war in the history of mankind. I mean if this is their idea of population control then wow there doing a really bad job of it. I would suggest you google World Population Clock, it's kind of like a giant egg timer and at some point soon I imagine it's going to need a flip. You see regardless of what we say or believe we are judged solely by our actions. We are destroying the planet and yes we will be held accountable.

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I think the real issue is that good honest hard working people just want to make a living however their "making a living" is destroying the planet. We know this as fact and no government is going to make them stop because they elect the government. So what is the solution?, someone must regulate all governments to keep them from destroying each other and the planet. It seems like the only answer in my opinion because we the people and the governments we elect have shown themselves to be incompetent through our actions.

So go ahead rage at the machine if it makes you feel better but I think we all know who is to blame don't we?, everyone is so maybe it's time to man-up and take responsibility for our actions rather than childish finger pointing.

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So what is the solution?, someone must regulate all governments to keep them from destroying each other and the planet. It seems like the only answer in my opinion because we the people and the governments we elect have shown themselves to be incompetent through our actions.
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It is the unregulatable behind their own 'governments' who have agendas quite separate from what 'we-the-people' are led to expect via elections; with taxation and manipulated currencies being how they plunder to self fund !

Solution ? Look after ourselves for food and

energy.

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let's get back ON-topic for a while. it has been said that real free energy projects (more or less open source) are buried under a pile of fake projects that only waste people's time and resources. I tend to agree with that since it's the only way vested interests can ruin the relative freedom of speech and information exchange on the internet. every research forum is infiltrated with low life deceivers or script-bots, including this one...

anyways, what I would like you to ask is this: what free energy projects are genuine, viable, efficient in practice? in other words, what free energy project is more likely capable to teach people how to build their own 'box' to power their house and their car? note: I'm not referring to solar, wind or water power.

let's see who is a deceiver and who is not.
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let's get back ON-topic for a while......

let's see who is a deceiver and who is not.
Farmhand, Duncan, and UFO. All you have to do is see the progression of the conversation on this Thread. FarmHand changes the subject and post info that is not pertinent to the conversation. Immediately Duncan in all his FAT drunk glory jumps on the opportunity to keep the material at hand flowing and add more non pertinent information. Then right behind him is UFO and his re enforcement of all of Duncan's illiterate info..
Then challenged they immediately jump. Farmhand who is halfway smart about his mis info runs away. Duncan who is full himself continues to post MORE inadequate proof that he is some how more informed than the rest of us, and UFO he tries to maintain his innocence because he is a coward like Farmhand, but his mouth gets the best of him and he can't help but to run it.

Who out of the 3 of them, have work that has been replicated? Well UFO has mislead alot of people into believing something must be special about his motors, when they are just run of the Junk. Farmhand is just poison who will make unbelievers out of anybody who tries, no work to speak of.. But Duncan take the cake. No creditable work every produce for the thousands of words he has conjugated in to paragraphs of completely useless info. None NOTTA NOTHING!!! Has ever come of that drink fools ramblings. Just useless over posting of old and non prove able materials.

If you pay attention to any one of them you lose.

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How bout you low life's mention the name of some one you know who died at the trade center? Or on one of the plane's? What?? You don't know anyone.....Hmmm. Ya'll got alot nerve. I knew I was in the company of scum bags But DUNCAN and UFO, Ya'll take the cake. Pure F****n Trash.

Done with this joint.
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I thought You were "Done with this Joint"?...I understand that means you quit...you left...are you mad because we all did not say...Goodbye Matt?

But no, You came back...

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Farmhand, Duncan, and UFO. All you have to do is see the progression of the conversation on this Thread. FarmHand changes the subject and post info that is not pertinent to the conversation. Immediately Duncan in all his FAT drunk glory jumps on the opportunity to keep the material at hand flowing and add more non pertinent information. Then right behind him is UFO and his re enforcement of all of Duncan's illiterate info..
Then challenged they immediately jump. Farmhand who is halfway smart about his mis info runs away. Duncan who is full himself continues to post MORE inadequate proof that he is some how more informed than the rest of us, and UFO he tries to maintain his innocence because he is a coward like Farmhand, but his mouth gets the best of him and he can't help but to run it.

Who out of the 3 of them, have work that has been replicated? Well UFO has mislead alot of people into believing something must be special about his motors, when they are just run of the Junk. Farmhand is just poison who will make unbelievers out of anybody who tries, no work to speak of.. But Duncan take the cake. No creditable work every produce for the thousands of words he has conjugated in to paragraphs of completely useless info. None NOTTA NOTHING!!! Has ever come of that drink fools ramblings. Just useless over posting of old and non prove able materials.

If you pay attention to any one of them you lose.

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..Wow! , I honestly like your imagination and creativity to advertise the work and expertise of the three of Us together in so short amount of words to Member Adurer...Am pretty sure He is impressed and would be checking Us out soon!

Thanks Man!

Do You want me to tell Adurer about Your awesome Methods on "How to Easily and cheaply get Electrocuted with HV"?

I honestly believe you should write a book about this...may be a Best Seller...talk to Aaron about it!

How is your chest doing?...still recuperating from those shocks?



After all I would have missed Ya if you go man...I mean, your rants that characterize you always here.


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let's get back ON-topic for a while. it has been said that real free energy projects (more or less open source) are buried under a pile of fake projects that only waste people's time and resources. I tend to agree with that since it's the only way vested interests can ruin the relative freedom of speech and information exchange on the internet. every research forum is infiltrated with low life deceivers or script-bots, including this one...

anyways, what I would like you to ask is this: what free energy projects are genuine, viable, efficient in practice? in other words, what free energy project is more likely capable to teach people how to build their own 'box' to power their house and their car? note: I'm not referring to solar, wind or water power.

let's see who is a deceiver and who is not.
Ok, then considering those criteria -no wind - solar - hydro. I would say that the Devices of The Kunel Patent, the devices of Mr Wesley Gary and Hans Coler would be a good place to start.

And good luck .

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Ranting Matt ..

Me illiterate ? Perhaps but then I'm not the pot who's calling the kettle black, am I ?

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But Duncan take the cake. No creditable work every produce for the thousands of words he has conjugated in to paragraphs of completely useless info. None NOTTA NOTHING!!! Has ever come of that drink fools ramblings. Just useless over posting of old and non prove able materials.

Let me correct this very 'literate' vitriolic paragraph you have decided to write to me. As best I may, time permitting,

But Duncan takes the cake. No creditable work ever produced after thousands of words that he has conjugated in to paragraphs of completely useless information. (None NOTTA NOTHING!!!) double negative and some unknown 'NOTTA' triple exclamation marks not required. Incorrect use of capitals best replaced by 'nothing' It is also incorrect to use an exclamation mark in the middle of a sentence with out parenthesis (!) so that sentence should read, 'Nothing has ever come come out of that drunken drink is something you do, drunken is a state. fools ramblings. Incorrect use of a full stop when the sentence isn't finished.
Just useless over posting of aged un provable material.

Quote Matt . (regards me)
'So I had talk with David and cheered up. I have never been accused of being a disinformationist but what the hell let idiots ride. I can forgive them but they may not forgive themselves. Its just to bad I admire him so much for the wealth of knowledge he holds in his head'

ah .. so fickle you see , what a difference a day makes, you didn't speak to me so barbarously when we were out picking daisy’s together a few short months ago.
oh no , then I had a wealth of useful information, now you seem more than happy to lash out at any and all comers strange behaviour indeed, are you sure its not you writing in your pots?

As for what may be proved that's for others to judge, what I write is by enlarge easily verifiable and if its conjecture then I say so ! What I don't do is post and then remove information that seems as if it may relate to a possible working device … That's rather more in your domain. as I said before I think we have a different agenda.
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:14 AM
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wow... it looks like I've opened a can of worms...
may I suggest that instead of kicking each other's a$$ to read again my question? I've only got one reply so far and I will do my homework by checking on it.

my impression so far is there are researchers around the world that are using free energy devices to power their home, but nobody succeeded in building a free energy 'box' to run their car. those researchers are sick and tired of (by?) the reaction of authorities and scientific community, and they are also disgusted by the constant bickering on free energy forums (ehem)...

like so many times in the past, those inventors decided humanity is not prepared to embrace such gift and on second thought they don't even deserve it.
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sadly there are laws which deeply hurt inventors disallowing them for example to run their cars on water or pure electric car or power your house and so one
I think a good start would be just one simple self-running device powering a LED. Just that and a proof it doesn't take energy from local radio station but here you see the problem...electronic components are mostly toys and such devices are on internet but due to many disinfo schematics nobody replicated them and saw what is the power source...
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Hi guys, it has been a while since i wrote here lasta time...

Yesterday i have watched this movie: Collapse - Michael Ruppert - A must movie for the future - YouTube

It would be interesting to ask mr Michael Ruppert on whose side is he really on?

First of all i would like you to see this: Energy Is Not Conserved | Sean Carroll

Why Does Dark Energy Make the Universe Accelerate? | Sean Carroll

Then i invite you to watch this:
The Truth Behind The Energy Lie(What The Energy Cartels Don't Want You To See) full movie - YouTube
What Happened To This Invention???, page 1

and this:
Water Car Inventor Murdered - YouTube
Stanley Meyer Autopsy Report - YouTube
1993 Speech Stan Meyer Exposes One World Government - YouTube

The whole truth is here, you just have to own (use) your own mind in order to be able to dicern good from evil, truth from lies!

God bless you!
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What Happened to this Invention???

Here you go…
Hydrogen Technology Applications, Inc. - Home
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I think a good start would be just one simple self-running device powering a LED.
from my understanding there are quite a few devices that already proved without a shadow of a doubt there is enough energy in the environment (aether, whatever) to get a COP > 1. in fact we knew that all the time, but we were too busy being blind.

I mean we see and accept that wind can push a sailboat without us moving a finger, we see and accept that sun can melt steel if focused or can charge batteries by using solar panels, we see and accept that hydroelectric power plants can power our houses. yeah, we need an initial investment to capture that energy from the environment (a ship, a mirror system, a bunch of solar cells, a dam, etc.) fact is that COP > 1 (often mistaken with overunity efficiency) was always with us.

but to be practical, a free energy device must meet 5 (five) conditions:
- to have a COP > 5
- to have a reasonable size
- to be built from readily available materials
- to employ a readily available technology of manufacturing
- to not have a prohibitive cost

this is where things get ugly. as if these 5 conditions were not difficult enough to meet, an inventor has to deal with a powerful opposition from the entire society. yes, not only vested interests try to discredit him, ruin him, intimidate him, hell... even kill him, but even the scientific community stumps on his work and calls him a fraud. isn't that enough reason to NOT have free energy devices on the market?

but wait, there's more, and I must say that pi$$es me off the most. there are a few in-the-know select researchers that 3-letter agencies serve them on a silver platter information on secret free energy technologies. in case you wonder where did they get that information from, here is where:
- from refused patents on the national security reason
- from threatened inventors that decide to sell their inventions
- from stolen inventions (ransack method) after the inventors pass away

so in order to evaluate the potential of those inventions, since they are not scientists (only spies, thieves and assassins) those 3-letter agencies come to those above mentioned researchers and ask them what they're good at. in exchange for their cooperation, those researchers are allowed to pass on to the rest of the world only breadcrumbs from what they found out for free. they claim it's their invention, they pose in heroes at biggest free energy conferences, they sell books, they have a captive group of fans. and they are on this forum.
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Existing devices that meet these requirements

WaterFurnace Residential Product Line : 700A11

Stuff is already out there. It may not be what you are looking for or even expect, but it's there.

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sadly there are laws which deeply hurt inventors disallowing them for example to run their cars on water or pure electric car or power your house and so one
I think a good start would be just one simple self-running device powering a LED. Just that and a proof it doesn't take energy from local radio station but here you see the problem...electronic components are mostly toys and such devices are on internet but due to many disinfo schematics nobody replicated them and saw what is the power source...
There's the thing you see Boguslaw he's asked for lots of power Whats next rather depends on strong and weak points, a good mechanic or better on the electrical and electronic side of things For instance
If you happen to be mechanical I would suggest you verify this simple experiment

Attraction vs Repulsion in Magnetic Fields - YouTube

having done that the operation of this bike becomes clear

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...yY9ci5pv7teDNx

there are quite a few of these machines operating in the USA, and Europe I would be inclined to contact one of the builders and go and watch one in operation if at all possible. I did open a thread on the issue but there were no takers only the expected cries of scam .. however it is clear that if identical magnets are stronger in attraction than repulsion the rest is engineering pure and simple.
The power available is very impressive having fitted all the usual nonsense, wind mills solar panels and all the rest of the normal commercial tat, this retreat high in the Alps finding its self still starved of power fitted one . Here shown on French TV

Nucl_aire_ou_nergie_libres_BOUGER_LA_VIE.flv - YouTube

anyway as the concept can be tried simply using small motors I would say as good a starting point as any .
Of course every one wants the wonder box you speak of .. and truth be known that’s what we are all striving for, those that believe and those that honestly don't, ... and aren't just agents.
I have Pm'd you two separate build sheets for the system in case you take an interest . I can't really post on open forum as its copyrighted material . Anyway as you say you'll do your own research.
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