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Old 04-22-2018, 08:12 PM
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Hi Ufo,

first I'd like to confirm If I'm visualizing the same magnetic field ken wheeler portrays in his book is the same as yours..
Ken Wheeler Magnetism.JPG

as you can see here, in your model posted by melonhead, you have only portrayed the inner part of ken's graphic of the magnetic field.. and as I see it (and understood it) you missed the part of "magnetism Forms closed Loop upon themselves" meaning if the "Dielectric Inertial Plane" as ken termed it (or simply the bloch region) is large enough you would have 2 spheres separated by that bloch region and would have a magnetic field geometry other than that of the Iron filing method (no closed loop)..
the iron filing method only got skinny because the iron was attracted, but that doesn't mean that is the actual field of the magnet..
its more stretched outward.. it has appeared like that because magnetic flux can be "guided" and the original magnetic field is not as what the "Iron filing" method has been showing..
I have worked, experimented and played with magnets with varying strength and I should know how to visualize the field not the same as is exactly as the iron filings show, but that doesn't mean the experiment was BS.

If you and ken and other think that what we see from the Iron filing method magnetic field geometry is what we visualize it as it is portrayed by the filings, you're mistaken..
but.
what we think you are visualizing in the ferro+light+magnetism, and are trying to reinstate from our minds are a mistake

here is a page in ken's book..
Ken Wheeler Magnetism4.JPG
he states that light is being "displaced" by the magnetism.

but can the light actually be "displaced" or "Bent" by magnetism?..
I saw this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY7hsXxbb0Q .. and read the comments where the inventor clearly states the Fact of what is truly happening..
Ken Wheeler Magnetism_Ferrocell_USA.JPG

If you guys are portraying the magnetic field in a "Bigger picture" including the light, then that is where the problem arises..
the bloch region indeed can be clearly depicted by that experiment but that's because the Ferro fluid is just attracted to both the north and south pole and causes a "Voidance"(got that term from ken ) of ferro fluid in the bloch region because of the attraction of magnetic north and south poles of the magnet in which ken also claims to be none existent (attraction)..

I have read his book before and I have read it again for the sake of this discussion to be sure I'm not misinterpreting anything. I do not agree with how he redefines "linear" into "radial" and "radial" into "spatial" and "counter spatial" there are some parts that I agree with (like gravity) and parts that I don't simply because I have other references that makes much more sense...

I have watched your videos and find it fascinating even though ken tries to Redefine "Magnetism" he still uses the "Lines of force" and unfortunately looks like he is contrary to your video.
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will this qualify for you that that a magnet turns the light projected through a ferrocell to align with its magnetic NS poles axis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLhgaPyoyto


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Do you actually believe that crappy you tube video qualifies as empirical data? It does not for me.

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but can the light actually be "displaced" or "Bent" by magnetism?..
no photons can not be bend by magnetic fields.

But the nanopaticles inside the ferrofluid can.

The follow the magnetic flux and reflect part of the light they receive therefore allowing them to "paint" the magnetic flux and make it visible to the human eye.

As for the attracted by both poles thing you said you are right and so are the iron filings however as I proved with empirical evidence iron filings because they very low magnetic reluctance, can not follow the flux inside the Bloch region and therefore fail to depict the flux there. superparamagnetic ferrofluid single domain nanoparticles are a different beast however and can follow perfectly even the lowest potential flux of magnetic field therefore can depict accurately a dipole magnetic field.

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You say those colored lines are the magnetic field. I say they are not. You say you have empirical data (presumably supporting your conjecture). I say show me the empirical data. You show me the colored lines.

You clearly don't comprehend the meaning of empirical.

That was VERY FUNNY Bistander!!

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Empirical evidence, also known as sensory experience, is the information received by means of the senses, particularly by observation and documentation of patterns and behavior through experimentation.[1] The term comes from the Greek word for experience, ἐμπειρία (empeirķa).
You are telling a Greek Guy...that He don't know what "Empirical" means...

And they invented this word...


That was AWESOME!!!...Regards


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Hi Ufo,

first I'd like to confirm If I'm visualizing the same magnetic field ken wheeler portrays in his book is the same as yours..
Attachment 20706

as you can see here, in your model posted by melonhead, you have only portrayed the inner part of ken's graphic of the magnetic field.. and as I see it (and understood it) you missed the part of "magnetism Forms closed Loop upon themselves" meaning if the "Dielectric Inertial Plane" as ken termed it (or simply the bloch region) is large enough you would have 2 spheres separated by that bloch region and would have a magnetic field geometry other than that of the Iron filing method (no closed loop)..
the iron filing method only got skinny because the iron was attracted, but that doesn't mean that is the actual field of the magnet..
its more stretched outward.. it has appeared like that because magnetic flux can be "guided" and the original magnetic field is not as what the "Iron filing" method has been showing..
I have worked, experimented and played with magnets with varying strength and I should know how to visualize the field not the same as is exactly as the iron filings show, but that doesn't mean the experiment was BS.

If you and ken and other think that what we see from the Iron filing method magnetic field geometry is what we visualize it as it is portrayed by the filings, you're mistaken..
but.
what we think you are visualizing in the ferro+light+magnetism, and are trying to reinstate from our minds are a mistake

here is a page in ken's book..
Attachment 20707
he states that light is being "displaced" by the magnetism.

but can the light actually be "displaced" or "Bent" by magnetism?..
I saw this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY7hsXxbb0Q .. and read the comments where the inventor clearly states the Fact of what is truly happening..
Attachment 20708

If you guys are portraying the magnetic field in a "Bigger picture" including the light, then that is where the problem arises..
the bloch region indeed can be clearly depicted by that experiment but that's because the Ferro fluid is just attracted to both the north and south pole and causes a "Voidance"(got that term from ken ) of ferro fluid in the bloch region because of the attraction of magnetic north and south poles of the magnet in which ken also claims to be none existent (attraction)..

I have read his book before and I have read it again for the sake of this discussion to be sure I'm not misinterpreting anything. I do not agree with how he redefines "linear" into "radial" and "radial" into "spatial" and "counter spatial" there are some parts that I agree with (like gravity) and parts that I don't simply because I have other references that makes much more sense...

I have watched your videos and find it fascinating even though ken tries to Redefine "Magnetism" he still uses the "Lines of force" and unfortunately looks like he is contrary to your video.
Attachment 20709

Hello Ricards,

Well, it seems you have missed one of my videos where I FULLY explain IT, in Millions of colors and 3D CAD Animations...ALL THREE PRESSURES LAYERS OF MAGNETISM...:

LOW, MID & HIGH...



MAGNETISM CAN BEND AN ELECTRON BEAM (We call it "DEFLECTION")...it has been observed with sufficient EMPIRICAL DATA (I started to like that Greek Word...) for the last two centuries with the development of the CRT...

What Ken is showing there as also on some videos he has on YT...that Light gets distorted, basically at the Center Plane...Bloch Wall, Counterspace, Dielectric Field Plane... or whatever you wanna call it.


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Old 04-23-2018, 12:53 AM
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Thanks to K. Wheeler...

Hello to All,

Thanks to Ken Wheeler...

I have been able to build a REPULSION FIELD GENERATOR...something that Academia Science will never understand it could be possible.

I have been able to deduct and build, from this new model of magnetism...that a very strong induction could be possible by making that "change" of the Magnetic Field...without moving absolutely any MASS COMPONENTS of a Generator.

The Iron Filings sprinkled over a Magnetic Field, LOCKS AND SHRINKS all the HIGH PRESSURE LAYERS (which bypass accretion disc) COMPRESSING Mid and Low layers, not allowing Us to see the MID LAYERS, which are based on Two Bubbles for each pole...

FERROCELLS and Magnetic Viewing Film Captures clearly those MID PRESSURE LAYERS, since they are not "physically" sprinkled DIRECTLY over the Field, but are SUSPENDED within a Colloidal Substance and CONTAINED between Glass lenses (Ferrocell) or within a Plastic Film...NOT DEALING WITH HP LAYERS.

I know Markoul does not agree with the existence of the High Pressure Layers...and so I did not before...but they do exist and are located at the outermost Space of the Field.


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From google: empirical definition, first hit.

The theory: Colored lines image from ferrocell represents magnet's flux field.

Offered as empirical data: Colored lines image from ferrocell.

How about some real data, like gaussmeter reading showing the line entering the magnet center is actually a result of flux?

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Time without "Space"...A Time Field.

Hello again,

Now let's see Time without "Space"...A Time Field.

Every time we refer to the Time Dimension, we ALWAYS relate it to Space...

We have read it in Minkowski's "Space-Time"...

We have read it in Einstein's "Special Relativity"...

And the fact is that "we all need to relate" the Space Dimension to be able to "see" time.

By relating space to time we automatically think of time as "linear"...traveling through space correct?

But in reality...do we need to relate time with space?

TIME is a completely "non dependent" parametrical dimension.

Time exists without the need of space...

The Problem by "permanently" marrying Time with Space...is that we will not conceive, nor accept terms like:

1- Bending a Time Field...

2- Traveling through a Time Field without "including" the Space Field.

3- Or even an object...or a person who "materializes" right in front of Us, out of nowhere...

Now related to the Magnetic Field and a Time Field

When we create "A Magnet" by passing an Electric Flow through a ferromagnetic core in the form of a Coil-Spring...

Once we remove power and disconnect all electrical wires, a Magnetic Field remains in that Core...and it could be there, exist Permanently

Permanently: For All Time, for ever...

This Magnetic Field occupies a CONSTANT (PERMANENT) SPACE which surrounds and EXTENDS over the core mass space-boundaries-limits.

So we could conclude that this Magnetic Field is within a Space-Time Field "Frame"...

And we all know we could expand or shrink that Spatial Field by outer interactions...(attract-repulse-expand to another ferromagnetic, non magnetized body, etc,etc)

But the final question here is:

Could we "alter" Time on that Magnetic Field, without altering Space Field?...and of course not referring to "terminate" life of magnet, since it will also terminate space...but alter as to modulate it?


Just thinking out loud...


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From google: empirical definition, first hit.

The theory: Colored lines image from ferrocell represents magnet's flux field.

Offered as empirical data: Colored lines image from ferrocell.

How about some real data, like gaussmeter reading showing the line entering the magnet center is actually a result of flux?

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Hello Bistander,


All my CRT Scanline Plane Experiments with magnetism show clearly Empirical Evidence.


Now, the fact that you do not want to believe it...nor "observe" there is a Partial Rotation for each pole...is just because you do not want to accept it...but "your non believer position" does not disprove it as not being Empirical Evidence.

What you want is just "Instrument Reading Data"...and not experimental data based on pure observation and scientific analysis.

That is just my opinion.


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Honestly,

After all these data and info you were presented by Ufopolitcs and others , including me, you saying that there are no empirical data!?

I find YOUR attitude quite insulting and irrational.

Here is your empirical data. Doesn't look like fantasy to me.


wrong flux pattern of the pole of a magnet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mzi...ew?usp=sharing

correct flux pattern of the pole of a magnet:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VTS...ew?usp=sharing
The above last is the correct field flux on the pole of a magnet.

it is like a rolled-in slinky.

individual flux rings are closing circuit between each pole and and the Bloch region of the magnet at its middle.

Exactly as Ufopolitics presented it at his illustration here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yLp...1Q7PNppkO/view


EM

Hello Markoul,

Friend...You can go ahead and use my Image for your papers...no need to credit me for it...enjoy it...it is Public Domain.


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Well, it seems you have missed one of my videos where I FULLY explain IT, in Millions of colors and 3D CAD Animations...ALL THREE PRESSURES LAYERS OF MAGNETISM...:

LOW, MID & HIGH...



MAGNETISM CAN BEND AN ELECTRON BEAM (We call it "DEFLECTION")...it has been observed with sufficient EMPIRICAL DATA (I started to like that Greek Word...) for the last two centuries with the development of the CRT...

What Ken is showing there as also on some videos he has on YT...that Light gets distorted, basically at the Center Plane...Bloch Wall, Counterspace, Dielectric Field Plane... or whatever you wanna call it.


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Okay now Ufo thanks I get it.. the experiment in actuality and ken's work was not totally to "thrash" the current "magnetic field" just modify and add some features.. It made much more sense now.

the closed loop is there..
the lines of force (spiral 3d)..

these are the two where the features of a magnetic field I was searching for that is clearly depicted by the Iron filing method.. and the supposed mid flux that loops in the middle are directed by the filings to the other end so its not visible..

in that video that was the outer most flux lines correct?..

but a question arises..
if the Mid Bloch region has this flow of dielectricity towards counterspace.. theoretically it should posses gravitational force (aether flow towards earth) as well? as the theory suggest.. and should be able to "deflect" the light even without the ferrous medium or view film?..
I don't remember reading something in ken's book about it's sized but the ferrocell experiment show its larger than the actual metal of the magnet..

mainstream science suggest that light (not electron beam) isn't affected by magnetic field..
and I have not seen any data that suggest otherwise..
do you know any?
or can you refer to an explanation why it shouldnot work as I theorize?....
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You say those colored lines are the magnetic field. I say they are not.

See six (6) side views.
See two (2) side views.


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Hello again,

Now let's see Time without "Space"...A Time Field.

Every time we refer to the Time Dimension, we ALWAYS relate it to Space...

We have read it in Minkowski's "Space-Time"...

We have read it in Einstein's "Special Relativity"...

And the fact is that "we all need to relate" the Space Dimension to be able to "see" time.

By relating space to time we automatically think of time as "linear"...traveling through space correct?

But in reality...do we need to relate time with space?

TIME is a completely "non dependent" parametrical dimension.

Time exists without the need of space...

The Problem by "permanently" marrying Time with Space...is that we will not conceive, nor accept terms like:

1- Bending a Time Field...

2- Traveling through a Time Field without "including" the Space Field.

3- Or even an object...or a person who "materializes" right in front of Us, out of nowhere...

Now related to the Magnetic Field and a Time Field

When we create "A Magnet" by passing an Electric Flow through a ferromagnetic core in the form of a Coil-Spring...

Once we remove power and disconnect all electrical wires, a Magnetic Field remains in that Core...and it could be there, exist Permanently

Permanently: For All Time, for ever...

This Magnetic Field occupies a CONSTANT (PERMANENT) SPACE which surrounds and EXTENDS over the core mass space-boundaries-limits.

So we could conclude that this Magnetic Field is within a Space-Time Field "Frame"...

And we all know we could expand or shrink that Spatial Field by outer interactions...(attract-repulse-expand to another ferromagnetic, non magnetized body, etc,etc)

But the final question here is:

Could we "alter" Time on that Magnetic Field, without altering Space Field?...and of course not referring to "terminate" life of magnet, since it will also terminate space...but alter as to modulate it?


Just thinking out loud...


Regards



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Ufopolitics, you might refer to what John St. Clair has to say on this in his patents. These patents may be missing critical parts IMO because they would fall under concern in national security and could then rightly be expected to be excised of critical parts: Speculating is all.

I think convention says that the magnetic field should retain a relative time inside of it's own limits, or dimensional field. Not sure it can be accelerated but logic would suggest it could be by passing it down a decreasing radius/funnel of pulsed magnetic conductors. Not too sure this is such a great idea to be messing with until we first figure out what it's actually doing when applied inside an altered area of space.

According to John St. Clair, a moving magnetic field carries a moment whose gradient then is capable of creating a wave which distorts space and which can also be used to create lift. Everything outside the field which is creating the magnetic moment might then have a kind of malleability to it in the sense that there now exists both a distortion in space and distortion in time.

Matter inside the field is now time displaced from the matter outside the field, and that enables this matter inside the field to pass through other matter outside of the field, and without effecting either of the two. All matter outside of the field would not see the matter inside the field and likely the reverse is true.

Now I think that if you then went about increasing the speed of a magnetic moment inside the already existing field it would create a movement in time, almost certain to be a forward direction, but exactly to where in the light cone would be difficult to know.

So yes I think it's possible and by spinning the magnetic field in a decreasing funnel like spiral it might be possible.

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John St. Clairs' Patent
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030209636A1/en

Abstract
This invention relates to a spacecraft which generates its own magnetic moment and magnetic field gradient in order to produce lift on the hull. The magnetic moment is generated by a large area solenoid located in the hull. A toroidal core wrapped with electrical bobbins at intervals along said core produces a traveling magnetic wave along its surface. This magnetic wave creates a spacetime curvature, similar to a tilted plate, which causes the formation of a magnetic field gradient. Power is not critical because the system uses a magnetic vortex wormhole generator to lower the speed of light in order to efficiently create highly relativistic fields due to Lorentz transformation.


BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION
[0001]
This invention, which is the subject of my present application, is comprised of a toroidal core around which are wound a plurality of electromagnetic bobbins. The bobbins are pulsed electrically to create an amplified magnetic wave that travels around the core. At the same time, a circular electrical conductor carrying direct current creates a magnetic field around its area which results in the formation of a magnetic moment. This magnetic moment, together with the spacetime curvature distortion created by the traveling magnetic wave, produces a lift force on the vehicle.


Paraphrased the rest.

By using a ring shaped conductor (transformer lamination fashioned in to a ring), which is laced with solenoids, an electric current is pulsed at a suitable frequency that then creates a slow traveling magnetic field around the edges of the spherical device.

The velocity of the wave is the square root of the frequency of the pulsed electrical charges, and divided by the conductivity and permeability of the material.

According to the General Theory of Relativity, this type of wave traveling around the circumference creates a curvature in space, and which is a distortion in the vertical direction (in relation to a horizontally located ring) which is pulsed to create the traveling magnetic wave.

The distorted space creates a magnetic gradient in the z-direction, which together with the magnetic moment that was developed by the pulsed solenoids then produces a lifting force.


*Power is not critical because the system uses a magnetic vortex wormhole generator to lower the speed of light.

Magnetic vortex wormhole generator
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030197093A1/en
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Dear Ufopolitics,

Thanks very much Ufopolitcs for your generosity! I really appreciate it! look at your pm box. I have something for you and ask for your real name I will put you at the acknowledgements section of the paper as a supporter.

That's the least I can do for you. You really have inspired me with your video series as Ken did and many others independent researchers, which are ahead of the thick sculled academics by 100 years.

My goal is to bring this independent research guys to academia. It is a difficult task and I face the danger to be ridiculed as a scientist and labeled as an heretic. But I don't care the truth must come out.

I am the guy who wrote the paper with the ferrocell showing the dynamic magnetic field of a transmitting radio antenna and it had a tremendous success. I used an MIT algorithm for motion magnification of the image by the ferrocell. I put a 900Vp-p radio signal on an antenna rod (telescopic) and used a microscope with the ferrocell. The black body frame of the antenna became miraculously transparent like glass and you can see the field inside and around the antenna. It's like a coaxial cable with the Bloch region as a black strip at the center of the antenna running along its full length! The dipolar field appears as a red pulsating halo and you can see the signal travelling as transverse sinusoidal fluctuations imprinted by the dipolar field on the Bloch dark string:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGcvh4Rb0G4


Currently I am the only academic promoting the ferrocell, Timm is my friend and we share regularly ideas, also I emailed to Ken a couple of times. He knows me.

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Thanks Al,

Different ferrocells with different light sources and different viewing angles look very different, don't they? Your first link reminds me of this:


Notice that none of the tiny compasses point to the center of either magnet.

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Hello Markoul,

Incorrect, if "Brian's Video" is PUBLISHED on You Tube, meaning have a link where you could "call it"...then the YT plugin we have here will display it...even if it is an "Unlisted Video" you still could show it in your post.

So Brian, nor anyone else can do absolutely nada to avoid video to be reproduced and played by a plugin if it is on YT.

Watch it below:



If you wanna see how I did it, quote my message and look at what I meant by enclosing it with YT Code-Brackets.

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so i put the yt brackets on the youtube link but it gave me the video on the forum black screened saying a message about permission... what i did wrong? maybe i did not copy paste correctly the link... have some troubles lately with my mouse...

okay you mean like this?



hahahaha!

Thanks friend.

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From google: empirical definition, first hit.

The theory: Colored lines image from ferrocell represents magnet's flux field.

Offered as empirical data: Colored lines image from ferrocell.

How about some real data, like gaussmeter reading showing the line entering the magnet center is actually a result of flux?

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yeah! i can do that for you. Actually i have already did that.

I used an 3 axis magnitometer nano tesla sensitive and made measurements around 360° the pole shown as a black hole on the ferrocell. Diameter was 1cm in total. Then i made with the results a surface map of the pole with the magnetic strength on the Z-axis.

Guess what? I got a surface map with a negative slope meaning the flux lines get sucked down the pole (black hole on the ferrocell) as exactly depicted by the ferrocell and not only that the trajectory of the surface map when you plot a flux line appears as an skewed elipsoid with counter rotation on the two poles of the magnet as depicted by the ferrocell and Ufopolitics illustrations!!

These are my empirical data 100% I ensure you! took them myself.

εμπειρία - root from Greek word πείρα - meaning - η γνώση που προσφέρει η πρακτική ενασχόληση με ένα συγκεκριμένο αντικείμενο·

English translation - empirical -
the knowledge offered by practical work on a particular subject

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yeah! i can do that for you. Actually i have already did that.

I used an 3 axis magnitometer nano tesla sensitive and made measurements around 360° the pole shown as a black hole on the ferrocell. Diameter was 1cm in total. Then i made with the results a surface map of the pole with the magnetic strength on the Z-axis.

Guess what? I got a surface map with a negative slope meaning the flux lines get sucked down the pole (black hole on the ferrocell) as exactly depicted by the ferrocell and not only that the trajectory of the surface map when you plot a flux line appears as an skewed elipsoid with counter rotation on the two poles of the magnet as depicted by the ferrocell and Ufopolitics illustrations!!

These are my empirical data 100% I ensure you! took them myself.

εμπειρία - root from Greek word πείρα - meaning - η γνώση που προσφέρει η πρακτική ενασχόληση με ένα συγκεκριμένο αντικείμενο·

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Great. Let's see it.
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Thanks Al,

Different ferrocells with different light sources and different viewing angles look very different, don't they? Your first link reminds me of this:


Notice that none of the tiny compasses point to the center of either magnet.

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Hello Bistander,

Of course no one of those small compasses are going to aim their poles towards the center of the magnet, no one here has said such thing.

It is Typical Common Sense here...no need to know magnetism "too deep" to understand that these small magnets will align by seeking their Opposed Polarity alignment with the Bigger Magnet Poles!

And so, no matter if you set all those red tiny magnets (compasses) around the center of the bigger magnet in a belt like shape...all their tiny North Poles are going to seek-aim towards the Bigger Magnet South Pole as all their tiny South Poles are aiming at Big Magnet North Pole.

The center of the Magnet's Mass is like a "neutral area" between its two poles, and what I mean by neutral area is that any smaller magnet you set there will receive an equal attraction pull from the bigger magnet poles, therefore the small magnets will extend along the main magnet axis in that area, but facing their opposite poles towards big magnet poles.

Same exact deal takes place when we sprinkle iron filings over a magnet...each one of those particles will get magnetized immediately due to their small mass, then will follow same exact alignment as I have described above...

Re read all of the above if you need to...and then tell me:

1-Do you really think that this alignment followed by all these magnetized small compasses (on your video above) or iron filings sprinkled over a magnet...are Portraying the true Magnetic Field?

2-Or are they just following a SPATIALLY STABILIZED CHAIN-LINKAGE STRUCTURE...BASED ON ALL THEIR ATTRACTING POLES ALIGNMENT?

Is it 1 or is it 2 your choice Bistander?


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Great. Let's see it.
Why?... no point... you will come up again with something like...


these are not real empirical data or so forth so on...
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Why?... no point... you will come up again with something like...


these are not real empirical data or so forth so on...
Why? To back up your claims.
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Hello Bistander,

Of course no one of those small compasses are going to aim their poles towards the center of the magnet, no one here has said such thing.

It is Typical Common Sense here...no need to know magnetism "too deep" to understand that these small magnets will align by seeking their Opposed Polarity alignment with the Bigger Magnet Poles!

And so, no matter if you set all those red tiny magnets (compasses) around the center of the bigger magnet in a belt like shape...all their tiny North Poles are going to seek-aim towards the Bigger Magnet South Pole as all their tiny South Poles are aiming at Big Magnet North Pole.

The center of the Magnet's Mass is like a "neutral area" between its two poles, and what I mean by neutral area is that any smaller magnet you set there will receive an equal attraction pull from the bigger magnet poles, therefore the small magnets will extend along the main magnet axis in that area, but facing their opposite poles towards big magnet poles.

Same exact deal takes place when we sprinkle iron filings over a magnet...each one of those particles will get magnetized immediately due to their small mass, then will follow same exact alignment as I have described above...

Re read all of the above if you need to...and then tell me:

1-Do you really think that this alignment followed by all these magnetized small compasses (on your video above) or iron filings sprinkled over a magnet...are Portraying the true Magnetic Field?

2-Or are they just following a SPATIALLY STABILIZED CHAIN-LINKAGE STRUCTURE...BASED ON ALL THEIR ATTRACTING POLES ALIGNMENT?

Is it 1 or is it 2 your choice Bistander?


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Hi Ufo,

"1-Do you really think that this alignment followed by all these magnetized small compasses (on your video above) or iron filings sprinkled over a magnet...are Portraying the true Magnetic Field? "

Yes, of course. Ferromagnetic material will align to magnetic field, magnetic flux, B vector, or lines of force (all being the same thing). That's how a compass has worked on the planet's surface for navigators for ages.

"2-Or are they just following a SPATIALLY STABILIZED CHAIN-LINKAGE STRUCTURE...BASED ON ALL THEIR ATTRACTING POLES ALIGNMENT?"

Actually, if the test magnet wasn't inserted in the middle, I expect the individual tiny compasses to align with the planet's field and point North. However the pivot bearings for the compass pointers don't appear high quality and many of the pivots aren't orientated properly. Some of the tiny compasses located near the center appear close enough together to influence each other without the presence of an external field.

The theory you guys are supporting claims magnetic field exiting the poles and returning to the midpoint of the magnet. If that is true, why then does not an instrument which aligns to the magnetic field point to the center of the magnet? EM claimed to measure this but won't share the data.

I noticed in the six sided ferrocell video which Al posted:
Different ferrocells with different light sources and different viewing angles look very different, don't they? That has the light source underneath and it appeared most of the magnetic field wrapped around the bottom.

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Hi Ufo,

"1-Do you really think that this alignment followed by all these magnetized small compasses (on your video above) or iron filings sprinkled over a magnet...are Portraying the true Magnetic Field? "

Yes, of course. Ferromagnetic material will align to magnetic field, magnetic flux, B vector, or lines of force (all being the same thing). That's how a compass has worked on the planet's surface for navigators for ages.
Hello Bistander.

NEGATIVE.

Not "the same thing"...


All Ferromagnetic PLUS Magnetic MASS will be Sucked in by the TWO MAIN VORTEXES, which we all know as NORTH-SOUTH POLES.
And so...whenever a given particle of smaller mass (which is the case shown on video, as iron filings sprinkled over a magnet) is located around CENTER OF MAGNET, they would be PULLED AT UNISON by BOTH VORTEXES SUCTION, which causes particle to "LINGER" in between CENTER ZONE, And of course ALIGNED pointing towards those TWO ATTRACTION AND STRONGER SUCTION FORCES.

We have established -wrongfully- that these two pulling forces (that ONLY DIRECTLY AFFECT FERROMAGNETICS) are "THE FIELD".
Without stopping for a minute to realize all effects produced -BY THIS FIELD- to other metals of different nature...like copper, alum...etc.

However, we could sprinkle as much aluminum and copper particles as we could above any magnet...and we will not observe absolutely any "specific" shape like we see with iron filings or smaller compasses...

Concluding that what we are seeing are FERROMAGNETIC BRIDGED-LINKED SPATIAL STRUCTURES...which we wrongfully call "THE MAGNETIC FIELD"...or SHAPE OF "FLUX"...



I will continue as I am on cell...
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We have established -wrongfully- that these two pulling forces (that ONLY DIRECTLY AFFECT FERROMAGNETICS) are "THE FIELD".
Without stopping for a minute to realize all effects produced -BY THIS FIELD- to other metals of different nature...like copper, alum...etc.

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Hi Ufo,

"We" have not established any such thing. I ascribe to the standard definition of magnetic field, namely "a region of space near a magnet, electric current, or moving charged particle in which a magnetic force acts on any other magnet, electric current, or moving charged particle. " [http://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetic-field] Note "magnetic force", singular, not your "two pulling forces".

And I think we (researchers in the field) have studied very closely the effects of magnetic fields on countless materials, from copper and aluminum (in electric machinery) to living tissue (in MRI).

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Hi Ufo,

"We" have not established any such thing. I ascribe to the standard definition of magnetic field, namely "a region of space near a magnet, electric current, or moving charged particle in which a magnetic force acts on any other magnet, electric current, or moving charged particle. " [http://www.dictionary.com/browse/magnetic-field] Note "magnetic force", singular, not your "two pulling forces".

And I think we (researchers in the field) have studied very closely the effects of magnetic fields on countless materials, from copper and aluminum (in electric machinery) to living tissue (in MRI).

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Hi Bistander,

There are TWO Forces, Two very well defined FERROMAGNETIC SUCTION FORCES, which works EQUALLY for non magnetized ferrous metals...BUT, VERY WELL DEFINED and SPECIFIC...for POLARIZED FERROUS METALS.

All knows that if we approach a North to a South it will attract it...HOWEVER, if we approach a South to that SAME SOUTH...well...you know what happens...don't ya?

This does not clearly defines there are TWO DIFFERENT FORCES?

Now do not confuse "spinning directions" of just one pole versus the opposite other with the WHOLE FIELD SPIN FORCE.

Realize that INDIVIDUAL (SINGULAR, POLE) spin directions is what defines attract-repulse actions.

On a separate (prior post) you made a comment...now second time you do...

The center of a magnet should not attract nor "align" any smaller iron particle...magnetized or not towards it...more than pole suction forces.

It was very clear established -on K Wheeler Theory. as on my videos- that equator is the weakest magnetic force in whole magnet.

So..
Have no idea where u came up with your own wrong conclusion about particles (small compasses) should "aim to center" according to this theory.

Center is a DISCHARGE AREA for all CENTRIPETAL (RETURNING) FORCES from SPACE.

Each pole emanates CENTRIFUGAL FORCES which attract ferrous metals towards its center of emanation...and so the exact OPPOSITE takes place at DISCHARGE CENTER (RETURNING MAGNETIC FORCES)...where iron particles would be "expelled" towards outer spatial area (reason why that "belly" (sphere) around equator-discharge accretion disc formed by iron filings.


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Hi Bistander,

There are TWO Forces, Two very well defined FERROMAGNETIC SUCTION FORCES, which works EQUALLY for non magnetized ferrous metals...BUT, VERY WELL DEFINED and SPECIFIC...for POLARIZED FERROUS METALS.

All knows that if we approach a North to a South it will attract it...HOWEVER, if we approach a South to that SAME SOUTH...well...you know what happens...don't ya?

This does not clearly defines there are TWO DIFFERENT FORCES?

Now do not confuse "spinning directions" of just one pole versus the opposite other with the WHOLE FIELD SPIN FORCE.

Realize that INDIVIDUAL (SINGULAR, POLE) spin directions is what defines attract-repulse actions.

On a separate (prior post) you made a comment...now second time you do...

The center of a magnet should not attract nor "align" any smaller iron particle...magnetized or not towards it...more than pole suction forces.

It was very clear established that equator is the weakest magnetic force in whole magnet.

So..
Have no idea where u came up with your own wrong conclusion.


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Hi Ufo,

It should be clear to you, if not, I'll restate. I do not believe in "spinning directions" of magnetic poles. And as I have said before, I really have little use of North and South designation relating to the B field. Likewise with free standing magnets in air. My interest and experience is with machinery where the field is mostly contained in the core. Like this:


{From: http://slideplayer.com/slide/4623330/}

Note the detail on the right. There is a plunger on which the magnetic field in the gap will exert a force to move it to a position which minimizes the reluctance of the magnetic circuit. This is the same force aligning a compass needle or iron powder in the field of a stand-alone magnet, only a much longer air gap and smaller plungers.

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And I think we (researchers in the field) have studied very closely the effects of magnetic fields on countless materials, from copper and aluminum (in electric machinery) to living tissue (in MRI).

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Hello B.

MRI is just an Imaging Tool...do not fix nada to our tissue...when it could as well...such a HUGE machine to our interiors...

Yes, definitively many researchers have even written books related to magnetism and living human tissue...plus also to plants growth as also worked with CRT's...know who am talking about?

That's right...that one...the one you called "bad science"...Rawls & Davis book.

They experimented with living tissue finding which pole will help grow a tumor and which would stop it...based on their "spins"...

But...yeah..."bad science"...and "fantasy magnetism"...

Right?

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MRI is just an Imaging Tool...do not fix nada to our tissue...when it could as well...such a HUGE machine to our interiors...

Yes, definitively many researchers have even written books related to magnetism and living human tissue...plus also to plants growth as also worked with CRT's...know who am talking about?

That's right...that one...the one you called "bad science"...Rawls & Davis book.

They experimented with living tissue finding which pole will help grow a tumor and which would stop it...based on their "spins"...

But...yeah..."bad science"...and "fantasy magnetism"...

Right?

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Sorry I brought that up. I was just attempting to elaborate the broad variety of materials subjected to magnetic fields in research.

Yep, I wouldn't trust Rawls & Davis on anything they have to say. I don't know how anyone could. But let's drop it unless you wish to revisit the misused term Bloch wall.

G'day. Got to run.

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Hi Ufo,

It should be clear to you, if not, I'll restate. I do not believe in "spinning directions" of magnetic poles. And as I have said before, I really have little use of North and South designation relating to the B field. Likewise with free standing magnets in air. My interest and experience is with machinery where the field is mostly contained in the core. Like this:


{From: http://slideplayer.com/slide/4623330/}

Note the detail on the right. There is a plunger on which the magnetic field in the gap will exert a force to move it to a position which minimizes the reluctance of the magnetic circuit. This is the same force aligning a compass needle or iron powder in the field of a stand-alone magnet, only a much longer air gap and smaller plungers.

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Yeah, I know you only like what you "see" with your eyes...or pure ferromagnetism.
Unfortunately a "true researcher" basically looking for FE...must at least try to see in the invisible...is the only way out to find the truth.

Btw...that C core, if fed with DC as written on image...should produce N-S Poles at end of its gap terminals...that's a "spin" of same direction...and so the "plunger" of steel inserted would be attracted to close circuit...

Regards...I also got to go


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As a discussion, revisiting the possibility of misused bloch wall
might correct any misunderstanding from observation.

Better observation.
The lighting, the array of leds to me gives reason for being skeptical.
all the vast number of youtube videos are less than accurate.
A different light source might help and now years later good lighting still avoided.
As mentioned the procedures and setup angles are important. Far from releasing a paper on.

The EL phosphor lighting tape I believe would give the observer something to compare. Possibly move ferro viewing ahead.
https://youtu.be/RJ2xGFfrND0
Also instant light powder using no electricity. Even better team up with
https://youtu.be/FPCqvdsnJwQ?t=278
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