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Other concept visualization of Magnetic field

If others concept of magnetism are welcome in this thread other than ken wheelers, I'd like everyone to inspect Joseph Newman theory on magnetism in general and how he perceived and visualized the Magnetic field. (especially UFOPolitics).

I have read Ken wheeler's book and to me It's much better to subscribe to Newman's Model... in his book and writing.. there is less hatred and criticizing of the existing model, and rather than "Redefining" magnetic field in general, he instead identified a missing piece and just made the existing model much more understandable..
there is still the lines of force..
the geometry of the magnetic field is still the same..
there is only the addition of the "gyroscopic" action instead of just a flux lines..

there are some explanation that can be explained using newman's model of magnetism..
one is the..
"why is there no current when there is no changed in flux"..
based on my understanding, the reason why there is no current because the "thing" (electrons.. that movement of it is called "current") has already been displaced by the gyroscopic action of the flux line and cannot go back to its original position since the gyroscopic flux is still there... no "thing" movement = no current..

In UFO Politics CRT display light displacement... the phenomenon can be explained without distorting the geometry of the Magnetic Field portrayed by iron filings method, by taking into account this "gyroscopic" action.. the light that is seen on the CRT is being deflected because the stream of electrons are being deflected by this "gyroscopic" action..

so basically from my point of view, the geometry of the magnetic field "visualized" by others who experiment with ferocells+magnet+light is an illusion made by the "Light" to trick the mind in perceiving a different geometry of the magnetic field other than what is clearly portrayed by the Iron filings method..

a static straight loop with gyroscopic action is much closer to reality rather than a magnetic field with orthogonally misaligned flux (sorry for the term no offense intended.. I can't describe it properly)..
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Empirical data shows only two opposite separate twisted toroid vortices hyperboloids generated out by the secretion disc on the ground state middle of magnet namely its diamagnetic plane or else Bloch region domain wall.
I really want to see this empirical data. If the OP objects to posting here, please start a thread where we can examine this data.

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Dear Gambeir,

Thank you for your kind words, a lot of labor and care is put in your writting and I really appreciate this.

However, i kindly disaagre with you. Dark matter does not hinder our understanding and enlightenment and don't get confused by its exotic name.

No more than 500 years ago the invisible electromagnetism and atoms could evenly be described with these terms dark matter and dark energy by people of this age.

Scientists and researches are today at a dead end. So we must try not to look at the tree but at the whole forest picture in order to find the truth.

Our theory accounts only for a tiny part (5% the say) of all of what is actually out there.

We will never solve the puzzle without all of its pieces.

For 2000 years and more now we are playing with 5 from the total 100 pieces of the puzzle.

All i am saying is THAT WE ARE MISSING 95 PIECES!!

... and ask you to explore unexplored territory... what more exciting than that as Faraday and Tesla did! chewing the same gum all the time is boring and no new discoveries will be made ever. Discovery is the search of unknown territory.



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Nope, they is telling you a big fat lie: I'll explain. See here now, without dark energy and dark matter then the conventional explanation for why the entire galaxy you've been spending you life living in, and why it has stayed together, won't hold up to their explanations for gravity: That's the bottom line. See, you have to understand that this is a giant lie; without which the theory of gravity holding order in the Universe is kaput! Dark matter/energy is designed to support the existing paradigm which claims to understand our Universe, and which hinges on this idea of matter creating gravity.

However there is a little problem with this concept, and it's that it don't work because there's not enough matter to create the necessary gravitational forces, which even if there were, still wouldn't work because of the distances between objects and the inverse square law of gravitation. So now they want you to swallow down a load of witchcraft about dark matter and dark energy, rather than explain it rationally by using the Electric Universe because if they do that, then all their hidden knowledge starts to become revealed. Without gravity explained by mass then we run a risk of you freeing yourself from the control paradigm, hell you might even begin to think that some UFO's are man made objects.

Now I ask you what's more rational? Believing in witches and dark energy, or believing in electricity, magnetism, and plasma? Which now do you think really explains why the Galaxy holds together? See, dark matter and dark energy and black holes all belong in the waste bins with witchcraft. Anyone who tells you these things are real is either stupid, gullible, or an enemy agent. It is that simple because if I can finally figure it out, then there's not one reason in a thousand that any of the rest of you shouldn't also be able to eventually come to the same realization.

See, if they admit that gravity doesn't hold the planets and stars to the core of the galactic center of our own Milky Way then what? Ya have to realize this problem extends far outside of sick science to the halls of the almighty, because ~don't ya know~ power must always claim to know all and to have a vision for the future and solutions to all problems. Well so anyways, they can't explain it without inventing an explanation, because they also cannot acknowledge the Electric Universe as the correct explanation since this crosses over into national security and UFO's and the corporate rulers private playgrounds.

To admit that gravity isn't explaining things adequately is a huge ass problem. That's where the invention of dark matter comes in. This is a complete invention designed to turn the wheel spokes of the the Galaxy in to a kind of solid rubber tire so that no one has to explain how the Electric Universe is correct and the other is wrong, and who then will understand and be the certified experts if not the clowns at Stanford, Yale, Princeton, ect?

Ya see now that this is giant fantastic lie? Understand now why it's BS? Those people are all vested in the existing ruling paradigm. Understand now why someone like Ken has to give his knowledge away while liars sell theirs for 40K a semester at the officially certified halls of power?

Like I said, I didn't realize that myself for a long time, but that is the lie and that's where and why this crazy as hell story about dark matter and dark energy sprung from. Don't you believe it for one second: Go check on it yourself. No one was around to give me clue or to tell me I was having my hat filled with cow crap. I'm just lucky to have enough personal experience in dealing with criminals to be able to see through the BS lies half the time, so I eventually uncovered what this crazy lie was all about and why it has to be told in the first place, which really pisses me off since good people accept that these other sources must be Ok since they are coming out of the halls of the Ivy League Towers: Hopefully soon to be joining Fox, CNN, and all the local news as the paid liars of crime inc.

Don't ya see that all these things really have to do with keeping you and everyone else in the dark, it's not called dark matter for nothing, it's a sick joke. Please don't buy into this without proving to yourself it's more rational than the Electric Universe is. Might there also be other energies? Well of course, I've said that myself haven't I? It's just that it isn't dark energy, dark light, which are also sick oxymoron's BTW, designed to make those who buy into them all the greater butts of this sick joke. See, it's like so many other things which are hidden signs people wear and don't realize it. Signs that label you as a tool, as gullible, and ultimately as fodder for use as seen fit by those whom invent these and other things.

I'm not asking you to chew the same gum, I'm telling you to put the BS detector glasses on, and to look at all people equally as any good criminal investigator would do. Nobody has more to lose than those whom hold PHD's: These are the people you need to question the most and trust the least. Almost all of them have a reason to make you believe this lie and few of them have any reason to convince you it is a lie.
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The point about having dynamic equilibrium or neutral plane at the center of a permanent magnet
appeals to me from an instrumental aspect.

I found the Felix Bloch paper called nuclear induction 1946. ( there are differences with EM )
https://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~phys1.../bloch1946.pdf

An image related to Bloch equations. The reader can add the exterior fields.
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If others concept of magnetism are welcome in this thread other than ken wheelers, I'd like everyone to inspect Joseph Newman theory on magnetism in general and how he perceived and visualized the Magnetic field. (especially UFOPolitics).

I have read Ken wheeler's book and to me It's much better to subscribe to Newman's Model... in his book and writing.. there is less hatred and criticizing of the existing model, and rather than "Redefining" magnetic field in general, he instead identified a missing piece and just made the existing model much more understandable..
there is still the lines of force..
the geometry of the magnetic field is still the same..
there is only the addition of the "gyroscopic" action instead of just a flux lines..

there are some explanation that can be explained using newman's model of magnetism..
one is the..
"why is there no current when there is no changed in flux"..
based on my understanding, the reason why there is no current because the "thing" (electrons.. that movement of it is called "current") has already been displaced by the gyroscopic action of the flux line and cannot go back to its original position since the gyroscopic flux is still there... no "thing" movement = no current..

In UFO Politics CRT display light displacement... the phenomenon can be explained without distorting the geometry of the Magnetic Field portrayed by iron filings method, by taking into account this "gyroscopic" action.. the light that is seen on the CRT is being deflected because the stream of electrons are being deflected by this "gyroscopic" action..

so basically from my point of view, the geometry of the magnetic field "visualized" by others who experiment with ferocells+magnet+light is an illusion made by the "Light" to trick the mind in perceiving a different geometry of the magnetic field other than what is clearly portrayed by the Iron filings method..

a static straight loop with gyroscopic action is much closer to reality rather than a magnetic field with orthogonally misaligned flux (sorry for the term no offense intended.. I can't describe it properly)..

Hello Ricards,

The Gyroscopic action, related to magnetism is widely covered on Ken Wheeler's book

Now, CRT do not show "light" but an Electron Beam reflected on fluorescent (phosforic) screen, then rastered into a 2D flat plane... I call SCANLINE PLANE.

Now, this plane TWISTS under the FRONTAL POLE INFLUENCE AS A GEOMETRICAL TORSION.

IMO, Gyroscopic action has "axis freedom" or RANDOM SPINS...Where CRT reflects each pole with CONSISTENT TORSIONS which are opposite for each pole spins.

Therefore, there is ZERO "Freedom" of axis rotation on magnetism, related to pole spins.

And...I can not believe...after all the proof that has been shown by all videos and experiments here...that you still believe in "true iron filings revealing magnetic fields"


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Whirlpools of Mercury Possibly "Reveal Magnetic Fields"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml85Lk60gus

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSIz...youtu.be&t=172


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just electrons forced into spiral trajectory by Lorentz force. This is all well known 100 of years now. You really rediscovering the wheel.
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so basically from my point of view, the geometry of the magnetic field "visualized" by others who experiment with ferocells+magnet+light is an illusion made by the "Light" to trick the mind in perceiving a different geometry of the magnetic field other than what is clearly portrayed by the Iron filings method..

a static straight loop with gyroscopic action is much closer to reality rather than a magnetic field with orthogonally misaligned flux (sorry for the term no offense intended.. I can't describe it properly)..
Gyromagnetic ratio of dipole magnetic fields is not describing any spin forces, you are deluded, it just describes the spherical nature of a dipole magnetic field and the fact that because it is not a perfect sphere it will on its axis under the influence of an other magnetic field nearby, wobble. It is exactly why the compass needle when you approach a magnet is going back and forth before it stops and locking at the direction of the magnet. Gyromagnetic frequency is or else larmor frequency is exactly the frequency of this oscillation and is depended by the external magnetic field.

For the hydrogen atom it is found to be about 42MHz/Tesla.

About the ferrocell you could't be more wrong. Nothing random multiple phenomena can produce this perfect geometric shape:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aRxyRuGP2c

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Also if we say that the iron filings depicts correctly the field then in an long bar magnet the field of a magnet is sugar melon shaped!!


hahahahahahaha!

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About the ferrocell you could't be more wrong. Nothing random multiple phenomena can produce this perfect geometric shape:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aRxyRuGP2c

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@Markoul:

Video below shows the Geometry much better and in all angles, frontal and sides.

Plus he also does Repulsion and Attraction under the cell.



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Ricards,

This morning I was on my cell...so could not go on detail about your whole post...but now I can.


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If others concept of magnetism are welcome in this thread other than ken wheelers, I'd like everyone to inspect Joseph Newman theory on magnetism in general and how he perceived and visualized the Magnetic field. (especially UFOPolitics).

I have read Ken wheeler's book and to me It's much better to subscribe to Newman's Model... in his book and writing.. there is less hatred and criticizing of the existing model, and rather than "Redefining" magnetic field in general, he instead identified a missing piece and just made the existing model much more understandable..

1-there is still the lines of force..
2-the geometry of the magnetic field is still the same..
3-there is only the addition of the "gyroscopic" action instead of just a flux lines..
Ok, if Newman's Model still have #1 PLUS #2 numbered by me above...or same BS lines of force plus same BS geometry...then not needed to be discussed here, Classic Hoax Magnetism already comprehend all that...and just for that Gyroscopic effect... which I wrote previously "IT DOES NOT APPLY (N/A) to Magnetism, and it is DEAD WRONG...Sorry, but it will bring even more confusion and NOT ENLIGHTENMENT.

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one is the..
Really?

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"why is there no current when there is no changed in flux"..
based on my understanding, the reason why there is no current because the "thing" (electrons.. that movement of it is called "current") has already been displaced by the gyroscopic action of the flux line and cannot go back to its original position since the gyroscopic flux is still there... no "thing" movement = no current..
Very precise and scientific wording...that "thing" on above "Theory" (if we could call THAT a Theory)...

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In UFO Politics CRT display light displacement... the phenomenon can be explained without distorting the geometry of the Magnetic Field portrayed by iron filings method, by taking into account this "gyroscopic" action.. the light that is seen on the CRT is being deflected because the stream of electrons are being deflected by this "gyroscopic" action..
Your "Assumption" is DEAD WRONG Ricards.

First off...it is not just "light being deflected" on that CRT, BUT an Electron Beam Gun, rastered and projected on Screen...it becomes "light" due to the Phosphorus EFFECT brightening E-BEAM.

Plus, IT IS not just one deflection BUT TWO PER POLE which depicts a SPIN, a Rotation...WHICH HAPPENS...that for NORTH and SOUTH are COMPLETELY OPPOSITE SPINS...

NOW, Ricards...Please, tell me...does the Iron Filings can IDENTIFY EACH POLE (NORTH-SOUTH) OPPOSITE SPINS?

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I am sorry, but "your point of view"...is very blind, small, narrow and short, which allows for ERRORS GALORE.


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the geometry of the magnetic field "visualized" by others who experiment with ferocells+magnet+light is an illusion made by the "Light" to trick the mind in perceiving a different geometry of the magnetic field other than what is clearly portrayed by the Iron filings method..
The only one being "tricked" here... are You Ricards.

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a static straight loop with gyroscopic action is much closer to reality rather than a magnetic field with orthogonally misaligned flux
Like I wrote before...Gyroscopic Movements are ANGLE FREE, NON PREDETERMINED SWINGS, RANDOM, UNEXPECTED DIRECTIONS, etc,etc.

Then explain to ALL of Us here why the CRT SCANLINE can perfectly identify a North from a South Pole?

Could the RUSTED and MUDDY Iron Filings do that?

NEVER, EVER.

NOT EVEN THE FERROCELL, NOR VIEW FILM, NOR COLOR CRT...etc,etc...could DETERMINE WITH 100% ACCURACY THE NORTH & SOUTH OPPOSITE SPINS.

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(sorry for the term no offense intended.. I can't describe it properly)..
And so...same here...no offense intended


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Im baffled..

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Video below shows the Geometry much better and in all angles, frontal and sides.

Plus he also does Repulsion and Attraction under the cell.



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Hi Ufo,

I am baffled to see whats happen at 0:36, as the magnets are placed vertically, and he twist the magnets around, the field shown in the ferrocell do not follow the physical twist. This to me, shows that the magnet is creating a field, thats somehow is not bound to the physical material. While if you put the magnet horisontally, the field follows the physical rotation. What can we make out of such observation ?? Such a clear 90 degree difference in behavior. (Yes, a magnet do have an orientation in 3D, but why differ in this aspect ?)

The field that ferrocells show, could it be considered a kind of resonance, rather than lines of ‘something’ directly related to the physics of the magnet ?

I sadly don’t have a ferrocell myself, but also wander, how will the lines shown in ferrocell with magnet below, react to iron fillings on top. Of course they will react, like putting a iron rod near the magnet, but how will the lines shown by ferrocell and iron filling reacts or interferer to each other ? Anything to conclude from such experiment ?

Would someone, in possesion of a ferrocell find it worthwhile to try out ?

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Ufopolitics,

Thanks for the video and the tip.

However Brian's video does not allow embedding

Anyway thank you.

Fessor,

don't forget this is magnetism

The field of the magnet is always induced vertically to the ferrocell surface independent of small inclinations of the magnet.

However it shows up in the ferrocell distorted when magnet is not placed at center of ferrocell due the fact that when on the edge light becomes no omnidirectional and isometric.

Always place your magnets on the center of the ferrocell if you want to project a geometrical correct field.

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Hi UFO,

thanks for that detailed reply..

I'm sure I have stated that light was deflected by the stream of electrons being deflected.. the effect was the light because the cause was the stream of electrons being deflected.. maybe you got confused?.

on north and south opposite spins... maybe I should refer you to your thread where you state that spin rotation is the same..

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Even though, I have shown on my above quoted post, that a NORTH SPIN is COMPLETELY OF OPPOSITE NATURE to a SOUTH SPIN ...

When we get TWO of this CRT SCOPES, and set them according to below CAD DIAGRAM, meaning FACE TO FACE with the FIELD IN CENTER:



It is ONLY then, when we realize that BOTH SPINS AGREE ON SAME ROTATIONAL DIRECTION, from BOTH POLARIZATIONS...NORTH AND SOUTH.


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you rotated the magnet that is why the spin that you are visualizing was the opposite...
this indicates that the gyroscopic action newman was potraying in his book (energy machine of joseph newman) was correct.. but unlike the model of ken, the vortex like in the poles are not present, but still the lines of force only have gyroscopic motion..

on the "Thing" and the "Theory".. I'm pretty sure you get what I mean.. (because you made fun of it).. if not I can explain further.

I'm sorry UFO but a CRT scanline CANNOT perfectly Identify poles like you are claiming.. YOU are the one who identified it.
the Only way to know the Poles is to get a compass set to align to the Magnetic field of earth in which the baseline of "Poles" is set.

on the lines of force that you guys are dismissing..
I will not refer you to a "Iron Filing" method (that you hated so much, even though it didn't do anything to you.) instead, I will refer you to a ferocell experiment.

http://www.ferrocell.us/references/o...Ferrocell.ppsx

that is a file you can get here references

on page 5 of that slide show you will see this.. (I have cropped the image in case you cant access the website.)
Linesofforce.png
why do those ferrous compound aligning like a "Line"..
what now is the difference of "Iron Filings" (which is micro) to ferrous compound (can be nano).. if they all just act like numerous tiny compasses?.

and forgive me for judging you guys for your ferro+magnet+light experiment.. I apologize.
I will just ask, when you visualize the magnetic field on those experiment.. do you visualized the "Light" or the "Darkened" area?.. as the magnetic field?.
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what now is the difference of "Iron Filings" (which is micro) to ferrous compound (can be nano).. if they all just act like numerous tiny compasses?.
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... can IDENTIFY EACH POLE (NORTH-SOUTH) ...
Hey Ufo,

There's an app for that.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kj-p...323248335?mt=8

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Ufopolitics,

Thanks for the video and the tip.

However Brian's video does not allow embedding

Anyway thank you.

Fessor,

don't forget this is magnetism

The field of the magnet is always induced vertically to the ferrocell surface independent of small inclinations of the magnet.

However it shows up in the ferrocell distorted when magnet is not placed at center of ferrocell due the fact that when on the edge light becomes no omnidirectional and isometric.

Always place your magnets on the center of the ferrocell if you want to project a geometrical correct field.

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Thanks Markoul,

However, maybe due to my bad English, I don't think you got my point. The field lines seems static in space when magnet is rotated at its vertical position, while moved in horizontal it perfectly follows any movement of the magnet.

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However, maybe due to my bad English, I don't think you got my point. The field lines seems static in space when magnet is rotated at its vertical position, while moved in horizontal it perfectly follows any movement of the magnet.
ah yes i know what you mean.

Pole is a circle.. so however you orient the circle it remains the same.

With other words field of magnet when looking down the magnet on its pole, remains fixed in space and DOES NOT TURN with magnet!

This is true.

Also geometry of magnetic field is not changed by physical shape of magnet and is always the same for any dipole magnet. Thus two toriudal fields back to back.

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Also geometry of magnetic field is not changed by physical shape of magnet and is always the same for any dipole magnet...
I would like to see your field geometry for a bar magnet, l, bent into a U or a C, or an O with a narrow air gap cut in it.

Also, in case you missed it:

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Empirical data shows only two opposite separate twisted toroid vortices hyperboloids generated out by the secretion disc on the ground state middle of magnet namely its diamagnetic plane or else Bloch region domain wall.
I really want to see this empirical data. If the OP objects to posting here, please start a thread where we can examine this data.

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Ufo approved using this thread for your data response.

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Ufopolitics,

Thanks for the video and the tip.

However Brian's video does not allow embedding

Anyway thank you.
Hello Markoul,

Incorrect, if "Brian's Video" is PUBLISHED on You Tube, meaning have a link where you could "call it"...then the YT plugin we have here will display it...even if it is an "Unlisted Video" you still could show it in your post.

So Brian, nor anyone else can do absolutely nada to avoid video to be reproduced and played by a plugin if it is on YT.

Watch it below:



If you wanna see how I did it, quote my message and look at what I meant by enclosing it with YT Code-Brackets.

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Hi Ufo,

I am baffled to see whats happen at 0:36, as the magnets are placed vertically, and he twist the magnets around, the field shown in the ferrocell do not follow the physical twist. This to me, shows that the magnet is creating a field, thats somehow is not bound to the physical material.
Hello Fessor,

I know what you mean...good observation!!

Ferrocell has the capability to show this (let's call it) "time delay" between physical magnet movements versus the "virtual massless, weightless field" movements...

Ferrocell displays the SPATIAL magnetic field in a kind of 3D Holographic Image, even though it is just a flat, 2D Lens...but STILL it is a holographic image of a non physical body...

You could notice this effect of delay, of retardation... also when he does a repulsion or attraction further on.

On a Repulsion, Ferrocell shows from a Sphere to an Ellipsoidal 3D geometry between two Norths or two Souths...depending on the distance between poles the "sphere" would be compressed into an ellipsoidal shape.


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While if you put the magnet horizontally, the field follows the physical rotation. What can we make out of such observation ?? Such a clear 90 degree difference in behavior. (Yes, a magnet do have an orientation in 3D, but why differ in this aspect ?)
Horizontally compared to what?...Horizontal or Vertical descriptions depends of a comparative plane and or a line at least...so I am guessing you are talking about Magnet-Pole Axis versus ferrocell screen Plane...correct?

If it is so, then when he sets the chain of magnets (which makes a whole longer magnetic field) horizontally, meaning the Field Axis PARALLEL to Ferrocell, and he moves it in a circle but still parallel to ferrocell plane, we could see that field moves (still with a delay) following physical movement.

When Magnetic Field Axis is PERPENDICULAR to Ferrocell Plane, and he just rotates magnet(s) there would not be seen any change in the curvilinear POLE FACE field...unless he TRANSLATES Field Axis, and still keeping a VERTICAL, PERPENDICULAR Positioning related to Ferrocell plane....Then Field would "follow" physical magnet movements.

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The field that ferrocells show, could it be considered a kind of resonance, rather than lines of ‘something’ directly related to the physics of the magnet ?
You are quite close Fessor...but not exactly "resonance".

When we magnetize a piece of ferromagnetic metal by wrapping enameled wire around it and running an Electric Flow momentarily (Momentary Electric Field)...We STAMPED a PATTERN on the metal molecular structure, this "opens a gate" which "invokes" a Magnetic Field to PROPAGATE on the surrounding SPACE of that piece of metal.

And yes, you are completely right, that Field is NOT "PHYSICALLY" DIRECTLY RELATED to that inert -but now aligned- piece of metal...but to the OPENED GATE.

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I sadly don’t have a ferrocell myself, but also wander, how will the lines shown in ferrocell with magnet below, react to iron fillings on top. Of course they will react, like putting a iron rod near the magnet, but how will the lines shown by ferrocell and iron filling reacts or interferer to each other ? Anything to conclude from such experiment ?

Would someone, in possesion of a ferrocell find it worthwhile to try out ?

Best of regards to all
I am sorry but comparing iron filings to ferrocell...is like dumping mud on a sophisticated 3D Camera Lenses...and that is all you would get to observe...randomly dumped mud which would completely DARK CLOUD YOUR MAGNIFICENT VIEW.

Iron Filings do not follow a uniform concentration in a colloidal viscous liquid which allows light to pass through...but more likely a pile of random MUD which gets strongly magnetized by the Field INFLUENCE, then form CHAIN LINKS of SOLIDLY AND RANDOMLY GATHER TOGETHER LIKE CHUNKS around Field.


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Hi UFO,

thanks for that detailed reply..
Hello Ricards, my pleasure.

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I'm sure I have stated that light was deflected by the stream of electrons being deflected.. the effect was the light because the cause was the stream of electrons being deflected.. maybe you got confused?.
Ricards...above you are looking at electron-light deflections...when we are referring to FIELD-ELECTRON DEFLECTIONS.
Light is just "the Painting" of Electron Beam on the screen...so why dedicate so much time to light-electron relation?

Main issue here is that Magnetic Fields DEFLECT Electron Beams...that is WHY I spent half of my CRT PART 1 video going over history of how the CRT versus the development of TV, RADAR and ALL Visuals were developed based on Coils changing their Fields polarities...then reproducing IMAGES, SIGNALS on screen...just like Old CRT Scopes also did...comprende?

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on north and south opposite spins... maybe I should refer you to your thread where you state that spin rotation is the same..
This was written on Ken's Book...Now I wonder...did you really read that book?...or you just got tired of his insults, hatred, etc...then shut it off or just went over "slightly" and not deeply enough...?

Yes, I know exactly that "phenomena" very well...still, poles are opposite spins if looked facing at your eyes.

Same as when we get a small motor running and look at its front shaft (where it connects) then look at its back end...same position...it gives us the "illusion" the shaft movement are opposite rotations...but we know that SOLID SHAFT can't do that.

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you rotated the magnet that is why the spin that you are visualizing was the opposite...
Negative, just refer to the Small Motor running example I cited above...and do not move the motor body, leave it seating on the table...You just approach your face to the front of motor, look at your watch ...then approach your face to its back end, look again at your watch...what is your conclusion now?

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this indicates that the gyroscopic action newman was potraying in his book (energy machine of joseph newman) was correct.. but unlike the model of ken, the vortex like in the poles are not present, but still the lines of force only have gyroscopic motion..

on the "Thing" and the "Theory".. I'm pretty sure you get what I mean.. (because you made fun of it).. if not I can explain further.
Thanks but No thanks!!!

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I'm sorry UFO but a CRT scanline CANNOT perfectly Identify poles like you are claiming.. YOU are the one who identified it.
the Only way to know the Poles is to get a compass set to align to the Magnetic field of earth in which the baseline of "Poles" is set.
That is plain BS, Ricards!!

You approach a NORTH POLE to a CRT SCANLINE SCREEN and it HAPPENS TO TWIST in a COMPLETELY OPPOSITE WAY THAN A SOUTH POLE WOULD!!!

ANY MAGNET, ANY SHAPE FORM OR SIZE...WILL SHOW YOU THE SAME, EXACT POLARITY DIFFERENT DISTORTION.

Watch my Video below AGAIN...obviously you pay attention to what I have written and shown here same way as you said you have read Ken Wheeler's Book.



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on the lines of force that you guys are dismissing..
I will not refer you to a "Iron Filing" method (that you hated so much, even though it didn't do anything to you.) instead, I will refer you to a ferocell experiment.
I do not "hate iron filings"...I hate who has promoted the FALSE IDEA that we are all looking at Magnetic Fields when we see those MUDDY, RUSTED, RANDOMLY DISPERSED CHUNKS OF STEEL.

They have fed Us all with those WRONG VIEWS OF MAGNETIC FIELDS FOR MORE THAN TWO CENTURIES.

And now, it is about time You ALL WAKE UP!!

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http://www.ferrocell.us/references/o...Ferrocell.ppsx

that is a file you can get here references

on page 5 of that slide show you will see this.. (I have cropped the image in case you cant access the website.)
Attachment 20704
why do those ferrous compound aligning like a "Line"..
They align like a "line" because you are ZOOMING at the ferrocell Nano Particles alignment.

But if you get your eyes OFF THE ZOOM....then you will see PLAINLY CURVILINEAR SHAPES AROUND MAGNET...NOT STRAIGHT LINES.

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what now is the difference of "Iron Filings" (which is micro) to ferrous compound (can be nano).. if they all just act like numerous tiny compasses?.
I will ask you...

What is the difference between a HUGE PILE OF CONCRETE PLUS SAND MIX...PLUS A HUGE CONTAINER OF WATER...VERSUS A FINISHED CONCRETE BUILDING WITH A BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE?

A Ferrocell contain nano particles of ferromagnetic metals...BUT, THEY ARE SEPARATED IN A VISCOUS - TRANSPARENT-LIQUID ON WHAT IS CALLED A COLLOIDAL SUSPENSION STATE (Search Colloidal, learn it) which happens to ALLOW LIGHT TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE SPACE BETWEEN THEM...FORMING A UNIFORM LIGHT SPECTRUM

Same way Magnetic Viewing Film does but Ferrocells are like HD (HIGHER DEFINITION) MEANS TO VIEW FIELDS.

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and forgive me for judging you guys for your ferro+magnet+light experiment.. I apologize.
I will just ask, when you visualize the magnetic field on those experiment.. do you visualized the "Light" or the "Darkened" area?.. as the magnetic field?.
Let me ask you Ricards...Could you get a Couple of Bottles of Glass...cut with diamond blades the rear (bottom) of each ones...frame them with wire and add some legs to it...would they serve to be used as PRESCRIBED READING GLASSES?

Or simply...could you try to see trough their rough bottom glass just like you could see with a perfectly made, non distorted piece of glass?

Do you believe is the same result to "RANDOMLY SPRINKLE" Iron Filings around a Field...just like we "sprinkle grains" feeding pigeons or chickens...randomly...or to have a FERROCELL to view Fields?

Finally...we do not look at either dark or light areas...we look at the BIG PICTURE, THE FIELD SPECTRUM Created by the Light going through the EVENLY DISPERSED ALIGNMENT OF THOSE NANO PARTICLES...which happens that LENS can be POSITIONED AT DIFFERENT DISTANCES in order to AVOID Field DIRECT and STRONGER INFLUENCE...going spherically, 3D around Field.

I could use a simple comparison...PIXELS...HIGHER DEF versus LOW DEFINITION, what is it all about?

HD just have smaller sized divisions on screen (DOTS) which gives Us a much higher definition of IMAGES we see.

Now...if we all would get the SAME "IMAGE" whether using Iron Filings or Ferrocells...then why to argue about it right?

But it happens that NOPE, THEY BOTH DO NOT SHOW SAME IMAGES OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD.

Plus...it Happens that NOT ONLY FERROCELLS...But also COLOR CRT's PLUS MAGNETIC VIEW FILM SHOWS EXACTLY SAME FIELD SPECTRUM...What a "COINCIDENCE" UH?

Now, tell me what else could we get, what other technology...to see magnetic fields which portraits same shape as Iron Filings do?

Above I have cited THREE METHODS...All different...but same results.

Please watch video below...it would help visualize all I have written above.



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Ufopolitics,

No point of wasting effort and time to convince everyone.

For whom who still believes that old grandpa iron filings shows the correct image geometry of the magnetic dipole...

have a nice day!




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As soon as someone understands that ferrocell is totally transparent to the magnetic field of a magnet and shows therefore both poles fields flux simultaneously overlaped and interlaced everything becomes clear.

As I told before, in order to see the correct geometry of the field in a pole you need Brian Kerr's super sensitive ferrocell, hold a strong bar magnet (poles are physically more apart than say a ring magnet) and hold it a couple of cm away from the ferrocell so tha the field of the opposite pole don't gets induced in the ferrocell and only the field of one pole get's induced in the ferrocell. Also holding the pole of the magnet on an angle facing down the ferrocell and not vertically above the ferrocell, helps.

Then interlacing and overlapping effect of the two poles on the ferrocell goes away and you will experience the true field on one pole of a magnet.

As I showed before it is like a rolled-in slinky toroid shaped.
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Ufopolitics,

No point of wasting effort and time to convince everyone.

For whom who still believes that old grandpa iron filings shows the correct image geometry of the magnetic dipole...

have a nice day!


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No empirical data afterall. Just false claims, fantasy magnetism and insults.

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Honestly,

After all these data and info you were presented by Ufopolitcs and others , including me, you saying that there are no empirical data!?

I find YOUR attitude quite insulting and irrational.

Here is your empirical data. Doesn't look like fantasy to me.


wrong flux pattern of the pole of a magnet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mzi...ew?usp=sharing

correct flux pattern of the pole of a magnet:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VTS...ew?usp=sharing
The above last is the correct field flux on the pole of a magnet.

Sorry guys I had to take the above two links down, this is publishing material.

it is like a rolled-in slinky.

individual flux rings are closing circuit between each pole and and the Bloch region of the magnet at its middle.

Exactly as Ufopolitics presented it at his illustration here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yLp...1Q7PNppkO/view


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Honestly,

After all these data and info you were presented by Ufopolitcs and others , including me, you saying that there are no empirical data!?

I find YOUR attitude quite insulting and irrational.

Here is your empirical data. Doesn't look like fantasy to me.


wrong flux pattern of the pole of a magnet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mzi...ew?usp=sharing

correct flux pattern of the pole of a magnet:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VTS...ew?usp=sharing
The above last is the correct field flux on the pole of a magnet.

it is like a rolled-in slinky.

individual flux rings are closing circuit between each pole and and the Bloch region of the magnet at its middle.

Exactly as Ufopolitics presented it at his illustration here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yLp...1Q7PNppkO/view


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You say those colored lines are the magnetic field. I say they are not. You say you have empirical data (presumably supporting your conjecture). I say show me the empirical data. You show me the colored lines.

You clearly don't comprehend the meaning of empirical.
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will this qualify for you that that a magnet turns the light projected through a ferrocell to align with its magnetic NS poles axis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLhgaPyoyto


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