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Keeping It Simple...Science.

Hello to All,

Great posts!!, Thanks to all contributing here!!

@Markoul: I believe you are establishing that Dark Matter is the Aether...am I correct?

According to K. Wheeler... Magnetism, Gravity as Electricity are All Aether Disturbances.

On my end, I like to keep Science as simple as possible, even having very positive and maybe unexplained results, according to conventional science...

In my point of view, complicating our language by using terms which are still in another scientific "limbo" does not help our research, as it would be worst for others outside our experimenting world to "digest" it.

So I do have to agree above with Mikrovolt post.

Getting back to magnetism, I have tried to respond to myself as to why the Mass Particles within the Magnetic Field carrier do not show an alignment which is the same as the Spatial Field (according to Wheeler) meaning, showing a center difference and aligning from center toward each pole?

Then after all my research with CRT Scan line Plane, concluding that North-South are spinning in the same exact direction, and so the whole magnet is just one single spin force, no matter if Spatial Field is being generated exactly from the Gravitational Center of Field Carrier, no matter geometrical shape...I clearly understood my original question above...

The Molecular structure of the Ferromagnetic Material is being Oriented based on what we could call a Single Directional Spin, no matter if it was originated in the center of the geometry towards the ends of the mass...still, it is one, and only one single direction.

I could have explained my question by using the Higher Pressure Levels of return which flow from pole to pole...but, (yes you are right Markoul) we have not being able to reveal them clearly with any one of the advanced techniques to image magnetism so far...


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I can only say Ufopolitics that I agree with the author of the Article: "Flying Triangles and The Black Holes On My Fridge." Magnetism is an organized something, and that this something is evidently all around us in un~organized forms. We know that certain materials and certain patterns can focus this energy to create a detectable form which we call magnetism.
Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge

When objects move sufficiently fast enough they can begin to emit light. Movement is energy and light is therefore a product of moving energy. As a crystalline form cannot itself be moving, then whatever creates magnetism must itself be moving, as any other conclusion is illogical.

A logical conclusion is that crystalline patterns (known as lattices) are capable of guiding hereto previously un~regarded energy to a point where it's condensed form is ejected outwards, and as the construction of the matrix which forms this lens is self enforcing, it then follows that the material which was injected from the focused point is self cycling caught up in the crystalline lattices motive powers.

As shape and form dictates energies action, then the shape or form of crystalline patterns dictate the outcome of energies, and factors like heat and cold influence those patterns physically and obviously whatever energies are conducted by them. Manifestly such changes are the result of physically altering the lattice structure by expansion and contraction, but other unknowns may exist which over time can break down the lattice bonds, or otherwise diminish the motive powers.

On the surface a magnet appears to be a magnifying lens of sorts, as this is the first thing to simply explain the whole, but undoubtedly the whole is more complex, and likely these patterns could be seen as acting like or forming accretion discs; for the whole of a magnet acts like a jet ejected from center core.

The entire and foremost quality of a crystal is that it replicates, and that what it replicates is itself, and that above all else, this replication represents a frozen moment since it does this in an endless cycle. It is therefore logical that the energies this form eject are then take back in and recycled on the whole.

A magnet is evidently functioning in a similar manner to an accretion disc, and so if that's the case, then whatever it is which produces magnetism is, for reasons completely unknown, first flowing inwards and then being ejected outwards from a center core: This is the behavior of an accretion disc.

So either the unknown material is moving or else this unknown material is guided by forms. To say it flows means it's capable of moving like water is capable of moving: It may be a raging torrent or a still pond but either way it's still water. Whether this unknown energy is actually flowing or just capable of flowing I cannot say: It may be either or both. In the case of a magnet this unknown energy must be moving in order to create the magnetic field, so either energies are already moving and simply being guided by shape form, or else the shape and form are acting so as to divert and accrete this energy. The nature of the crystal and it's lattice is suggestive of a mass~array, like a hundred million billion tiny magnifying lens all focused upon a central point.

Now if form alone can create a magnetic field than one might suspect that any type of form, that is a shape could produce an effect regardless of what the shape was constructed from. We of course know of pyramid power, and some may also know of the late great Joe Parr and his experimental work in this field of shape power energies.

However, I don't think anyone I know of has mapped out the lattice form of a magnet and replicated that in some other material, say perhaps cardboard, and that would be interesting to see the measured results. So if you then have a cardboard model of a magnets' crystalline lattice and that then produces a magnetic field, well that then would rather strongly suggest that there's unknown energies out there doing some strange things.

The debate here seems to be whether or not the magnetic field is flowing. A crystalline pattern cannot be acting as rock in stream. Those patterns cannot be creating eddies which then produce the manifestation of magnetism because that is a diminished form of energy, whereas a magnetic field is a condensed form of energy and we know this since adding magnets only strengthens the field. Whereas breaking a magnet in half leaves half the strength but now gives two magnets, or two accretion discs if you will.

Physics says that there is an inverse square to energy, wherein the breaking of a magnet would create greatly diminished magnetic fields if the fields were themselves only subject to inactive objects. Logic seems to say that the fields are created by activity. I suspect that the unknown energy does both. It can exist in both moving and un~moving forms as water or air can, but as to what it's doing in a magnetic field, then I think it's clearly moving and cycling for the most part.

The work of Joe Parr and our knowledge as the physical effects of pyramids show that this energy is all around us, and either it is moving and can be condensed by more movement, or it can be coaxed or enticed to follow certain shapes, possibly both. To focus in only on the action of electrons and orbitals ignores what we already do know about the effects of shape and form. There is clearly a cross correlation going on between geometry and relative action of power and there is clearly something we don't know practically anything about in the way that shapes can effect space.
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hehe! good one! I know what a ****ing magnetron is...thank you!

that was just for comparing it with the electron!...okay then call it magneto if you like... but please don't mix it this time with X-men

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The real field of a magnet and concerning dark matter...

Ufopolitics,

Thank for your kind reply.

I am not complicated guy, all what I am saying essentially is at the exact spatial string where we have truly electric field E=0 magnetic radiation gets ejected out from dark matter into ordinary matter in two opposite 180 degrees distinct jets, thus a magnet and that is the reason why magnetism can exist in ordinary matter only as an dipole.

We all know that magnets are made by electrification by applying an electric voltage (potential) at its two ends with a coil wrapped around the magnet, thus every magnet has electrically charged matter and also unbalanced between its two ends (poles)(+/-).

Guess where the electric charge in a magnet gets balanced and E=0?...

Exactly an it middle (if it has a uniform charged rest mass) at the Bloch region!

Don't you see the connection?

Ken Wheeler was right about on one thing Electric vector is -180 degrees opposite to magnetic vector. The 90 degrees are applying only for travelling electromagnetism not for static.

He is however wrong about the image he sees in the ferrocell because the fact that ferrocell is completely transparent to magnetic flux coming from both poles of a magnet. there is no reciprocating fields.

The flux lines of the two poles are overlapping in 3D space and are projected essentially at the 2D ferrocell with a bit of depth of field information. So what you finally get on the ferrocell is a compressed 3D fully interlaced and overlapping image of the flux on both poles of the magnet.

To see the single true field on the pole of a magnet use not a cube or ring magnet but an enlogated bar magnet with its two poles quite apart and keep the approaching pole at a distance, couple of cm, away from the ferrocell:

wrong flux pattern of the pole of a magnet:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mzi...ew?usp=sharing

correct flux pattern of the pole of a magnet:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VTS...ew?usp=sharing

The above last is the correct field flux on the pole of a magnet.

It's like a rolled-in slinky.

So yes Ufopolitics you were right in your initial ilustrations of the magnetic field the below illustration is the correct one:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yLp...ew?usp=sharing



Ken has to rethink this...

hahahahahahaha! Anyway he is a genius but even geniuses make mistakes.


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Ufopolitics,

We all know that magnets are made by electrification by applying an electric voltage (potential) at its two ends with a coil wrapped around the magnet, thus every magnet has electrically charged matter and also unbalanced between its two ends (poles)(+/-).

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Markoul, your statement grates because it's your assumption this is how things work. It follows convention, does it not, that you're making an assumption about the way things work. You then you go on to describe the results as a manifest cause and effect, when really all you're doing is explaining one way to create a magnet. It does not automatically follow that the results are the consequence of having applied polarity to each end with an electrical charge. That outcome seems to be a consequence of the now arranged molecules within specific matter and not for any other reason. It is natural to expect this outcome if the force used was an polarized electrical charge applied to the correct materials.

Are you following? I'm implying that the input helps to form the output, but the output is dependent upon the materials involved because their internal molecules are capable of being reorganized by this technique, and so it's possible to imagine other outcomes with other energies being the format for the crystalline lattice bonds which make up a magnet. It implies that something like say X~Ray's could be applied to another material with a similar result as the outcome.

To say a magnet has a storehouse of electrically charged matter suggests it is either a capacitor or a battery of sorts. Which may be telling, not sure, but interesting to think about as a kind of incomplete capacitor with the other half being in the so~called dark matter, or air around us as is more likely. Certain materials are conducive to having their molecular bonds assume a conductive plane with the application of an electrical charge. Otherwise we could take any old piece of material and should then expect that we could also magnetize that by the same methods which we know we cannot do.

We can, however, use alloys to produce organized crystalline lattice bonds in other materials and thus create magnets which were previously thought impossible. So really it's the structure within the magnet that is the key. It suggests that a load stone is a natural creation not formed through the use of electrical charge, but purely upon the arrangement of it's internal structure, and what that implies is this idea or notion of how magnets work is a partial understanding. For all we know there's something akin to X~ray magnets laying around or which might help to explain radioactive matter as another form not unlike magnetism.
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Gambeir,

It's the material magnets are made off that is more susceptible to the induced field but really it is the induced electric field which makes a magnet.

And of proof of this is the following:
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Making an steel bar a magnet by magnetic induction (double touch method)

Place a steel bar on top of two strong bar magnets facing with opposite poles each other and an air cap in between less than lenght of the steel bar so that stee bar can sit on the two magnets.

Aproach two strong bar magnets from above with inclined angles and the same polarity as the bottom magnets.

On the steel bar slide several times on its one surface the two top magnets with opposite poles in this fashion of movement

<--N|S-->

starting from the middle (|) of the iron bar.


-----------------------------------------------------------------

That proves that magnetism originates from the Bloch domain region of a magnet, its middle (|).

Try to make the steel bar a magnet with the opposite movement as described above:

N-->|<--S

good luck!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAL1huieyxk

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Gambeir,

It's the material magnets are made off that is more susceptible to the induced field but really it is the induced electric field which makes a magnet.

And of proof of this is the following:
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Making an steel bar a magnet by magnetic induction (double touch method)

Place a steel bar on top of two strong bar magnets facing with opposite poles each other and an air cap in between less than lenght of the steel bar so that stee bar can sit on the two magnets.

Aproach two strong bar magnets from above with inclined angles and the same polarity as the bottom magnets.

On the steel bar slide several times on its one surface the two top magnets with opposite poles in this fashion of movement

<--N|S-->

starting from the middle (|) of the iron bar.


-----------------------------------------------------------------

That proves that magnetism originates from the Bloch domain region of a magnet, its middle (|).


Try to make the steel bar a magnet with the opposite movement as described above:

N-->|<--S

good luck!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAL1huieyxk

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Hi EM,

Doesn't this kinda disprove your proof?



From: Method of Magnetisation - Excel@Physics

Essentially same results.

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no it does not.

In your left picture the first halfway movement from the left is obsolete.


You can create the magnet just by moving the magnet above from the middle of the bar to an end.

However, if you move from an end of the steel bar to its middle no magnet is created. Try it out!

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no it does not.

In your left picture the first halfway movement from the left is obsolete.


You can create the magnet just by moving the magnet above from the middle of the bar to an end.

However, if you move from an end of the steel bar to its middle no magnet is created. Try it out!

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All of which demonstrates there is nothing different or particularly interesting in the middle of the magnetized bar. It is the same as the rest of it, composed of orientated microscopic domains.
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Gambeir,

It's the material magnets are made off that is more susceptible to the induced field but really it is the induced electric field which makes a magnet.

And of proof of this is the following:
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Making an steel bar a magnet by magnetic induction (double touch method)

Place a steel bar on top of two strong bar magnets facing with opposite poles each other and an air cap in between less than lenght of the steel bar so that stee bar can sit on the two magnets.

Aproach two strong bar magnets from above with inclined angles and the same polarity as the bottom magnets.

On the steel bar slide several times on its one surface the two top magnets with opposite poles in this fashion of movement

<--N|S-->

starting from the middle (|) of the iron bar.

Magnetism can only result if there is an organized geometric formation. An electric charge organizes the bonds in limited materials. There's no evidence ~whatsoever~ that it's also sustaining the magnetic field. To say that a supplied electric charge results in magnetism is to lay a claim on perpetual motion.

The evidence suggests a more sensible alternative explanation: That the electric charge provides a formatting service by the simple method of inducing a temporary magnetic field in conductive matter, and it's this passing charge which then induces a realignment of the lattice structure since these are themselves electrically conductive.

Thus the electric charge is a primer; acting as a software to format the conductive bonds to another pattern. Thus creating an enabling path for subsequent energies which themselves provide the magnetic field.

Cycling of the original charge is corollary to it's innate attraction to the magnetic, and as having formatted the lattice bonds to function as a form of superior conductor for it's own energies, it then follows automatically that any other like minded energies are going to be equally obsessed with flowing inwards through these same conductive passages.
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Magnetism can only result if there is an organized geometric formation. An electric charge organizes the bonds in limited materials. There's no evidence ~whatsoever~ that it's also sustaining the magnetic field. To say that a supplied electric charge results in magnetism is to lay a claim on perpetual motion.

The evidence suggests a more sensible alternative explanation: That the electric charge provides a formatting service by the simple method of inducing a temporary magnetic field in conductive matter, and it's this passing charge which then induces a realignment of the lattice structure since these are themselves electrically conductive.

Thus the electric charge is a primer; acting as a software to format the conductive bonds to another pattern. Thus creating an enabling path for subsequent energies which themselves provide the magnetic field.

Cycling of the original charge is corollary to it's innate attraction to the magnetic, and as having formatted the lattice bonds to function as a form of superior conductor for it's own energies, it then follows automatically that any other like minded energies are going to be equally obsessed with flowing inwards through these same conductive passages.
Great post Gambeir!

I agree 100% with that way of thinking...

The electric FLOW through the wrapped wire around a ferromagnetic core, "stamps" a pattern on the ferrites molecules, particles or nano components...

So, We could say this SPECIFIC SPATIAL Electric Flow (WRAPPED) AROUND the Core acts as the "Software"...which sends the commands to the Core and its Inner Particles, which constitutes "the hardware"...

And it is very simple, we could wrap wire back and forth from end to end, straight along core axis surface ...not wrapped around axis like a normal coil method...and then we get NADA, NO MAGNETISM FORMED.

And so, on this analogy we have the software, and then the hardware...but what is the SPATIAL FIELD generated as a result of these two components?

IMO, the Spatial Field is the final product, the result in our space of an "anomaly" generated by the geometry of the dynamics exchanged originally...

Now, if we go a bit deeper on this...we all know that depending on the relationship to where we set the positive and negative terminals of the coil wire...OR the direction of the turns...will DICTATE the EXACT COMMANDS in order to generate the NORTH-SOUTH positioning on the ferromagnetic core...

Now, related to the molecular alignment on the core, (after magnetization takes place, of course) it would ALWAYS follow a STRAIGHT LINEAR ALIGNMENT, PARALLEL to Core AXIS...no matter where the North or South end is at...

Concluding that no matter where we set + or - on terminals (1), or what direction we choose to wrap our wire (2), the core molecular alignment would always be linear along axis...only the so called "poles" will change their positioning whenever we change either one of these two configurations (1 or 2 above).

Further on, if we sprinkle iron particles around magnetized core, all this particles would align, exactly as the core particles are aligned, meaning linearly along core axis...and of course, they will show a semi-round area around ends where poles are...

BUT, AT ABSOLUTELY ANY POINT, WE COULD DISTINGUISH, BASED ON IRON FILINGS DISPLAY OF THE MAGNETIC FIELD, WHERE THE NORTH OR SOUTH POLES ARE LOCATED.

Like we all can tell, -for example- when we approach a North or a South to a CRT SCREEN SCANLINE, We observe different (Opposite) SPINS for North and South Polarizations.

Like I have shown on my THREAD plus on all related YT Videos.


All this "data" tells Us that the iron (ferromagnetic) molecular configuration (whether on inner core or the sprinkled filings) follows the "linear" representation of the electrical flow...while the Wraped Copper Wire Direction effects basically the spinning direction of the SPATIAL FIELD...which iron particles fails to reveal at each pole...

Only an electron spatially forced flow, at very high speeds, screened on fluorescent material like we have on a B&W CRT, then rastered into a scanline...will clearly reveal these polarization's spins.


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My main purpose is to help uncover truth. Not to assist one side or another unless it helps to obtain the truth. My advice is to consider dark energy suspect and to instead focus on time. Time is rotationally connected to magnetism as magnetism is connected to spin through time frame dragging.

High spin states in radiation says that time is controllable through crystalline patterns found in specific forms and in specific materials. Radioactive matter acts like a magnet in the sense of very high spin states. Meaning that whatever produces that energy is also very likely to be doing so in the same manner as a magnet produces it's own: Logic would say both magnetism and radioactivity are acting in the time field via time frame dragging at a sub~microscopic level. Time exists and to explain the excited state of matter it must flow and there must be conductors for time; as it is with any other energy: Make sense?

We know that time is a part of the magnetic field because it's associated with magnetism and anomalous events. There appears to be a clear connection between magnetic anomaly and time warps, so magnetism is therefore also a quality of spin state in passing energies which are focused and accreted through the passages within the magnets crystalline patterns. A magnet condenses the magnetic field out of thin air. It is not pulling in another dimension in the traditional sense of a hidden unknown hypothetical, such as dark matter, but time is itself the divider; time creates partitions which can be understood as dimensions.

Previously I mentioned X~ray's and radiation as other possible forms of energies which, in the case of radiation, might be better understood by understanding radiation as a kind of super magnet taking in time. Radiation is time dependent. It's like a kind of accretion disc or mass arrayed lens focusing or condensing time. I would bet a dollar to a donut that there is a unique crystalline pattern which radioactive materials share. Thus the idea here is to understand the format produces an outcome, and in this sense of organized lattice bonds, then the outcome is radiation and not magnetism. Both however are energies being focused or accreted by conductive structure.

We are ourselves creatures of time, locked in time, and what's interesting to me is that the treatment for radiation involves crystals like iodine or salt. Which suggests that the introduction of these chemicals interacts to break the crystalline bonds in radioactive materials, thus reducing their intake of radioactive energies, which I can only think of as being time.
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Nature has always been humanities first teacher: Nothing has changed in that department. We don't know half of what we think we know. It isn't that we are a stupid species as some have suggested, rather it is we have been interfered with and monkeyed with, had our creativity wiped. That's actually one of the functions of public schooling: to destroy the innate creativity in each one of us. Here we are thousands upon thousands of years after the pyramids and still we can't even explain a magnet with certainty: You think that's accidental?

The question is, are we are ready to begin solving this mystery, or will we continue to march down a pathway to extinction. Either we solve this or eventually Universe will give up on us, and it doesn't want to give up on humans, it's standing right in front us ready to help just as it always has. These energies, magnetism and radiation, they are manifestly interacting with nature to produce an outcome.

Stop trying to explain magnetism solely by convention because it's not working. This means that there is something unknown. It doesn't mean that electrical theory is wrong, it just means it's not capable of explaining the net outcome all by itself. It needs the addition of new information, most of which is hardly new information, it's just information which is compartmental and shuffled off in to astrophysics, geology, geometry, and few others. What it means is that a new understanding is required, one which does away with compartmental knowledge, because that's what's required in order to understand the basics of Universe. Once we adapt to this idea, then we are very likely to discover new ways forward, and very likely new energies as well.
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great replies guys...

but i am still waiting for an answer Why a magnet is not created when swiped from one end to the middle?
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great replies guys...

but i am still waiting for an answer Why a magnet is not created when swiped from one end to the middle?
Hello EM,

I could easily answer that but await your answer to my question which I posed first. Doesn't stroking the entire length of the metal bar with a single pole and causing equal magnetism to your method demonstrate there is nothing in the center of the magnetized bar different from the rest of its length, and why would a logical thinking person believe otherwise?

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I think i already answered your question. didn't I?
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I think i already answered your question. didn't I?[/QUOTE]

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no it does not.

In your left picture the first halfway movement from the left is obsolete.


You can create the magnet just by moving the magnet above from the middle of the bar to an end.

However, if you move from an end of the steel bar to its middle no magnet is created. Try it out!

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Hi,

I think i already answered your question. didn't I?
If that was what you consider an acceptable answer, then use this for my answer, but looking back I see no question from you.
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All of which demonstrates there is nothing different or particularly interesting in the middle of the magnetized bar. It is the same as the rest of it, composed of orientated microscopic domains.
Stroking in only one way the entire length of the bar aligns its domains in a uniform direction throughout the entire bar making the middle the same as all the rest of it. This demonstrates there is nothing different in the middle.

So explain why you think, and provide some logical deduction from evidence, that the bar transforms into two domains, one at each end, separated in the middle by a Block wall.

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"bar transforms into two domains, one at each end"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4A6VJodow


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that's a hoax
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This is getting tiresome

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So explain why you think, and provide some logical deduction from evidence, that the bar transforms into two domains, one at each end, separated in the middle by a Block wall.
I think you are not paying attention.

I already have inside all my previous threads I even gave my own theory about black mater relation to electromagnetism.

I also suggested to you an experiment proving that magnetism can created by only moving from the middle to one end of a steel bar but not the other way around. If Bloch domain as you say is nothing special, why is this? I believe this clearly proves that magnetism is a diamagnetic field transformation and it is from where it generates.

Also magnetism is best described by quantum mechanics and needs therefore a ground state to operate thus the Bloch region of a magnet AND NO it is not the same as the other regions of a magnet. It is well known in science as the domain wall of a dipole magnet and magnetic strength drops to nearly zero in this region meaning you magnetic domains are not parallel to poles axis.

Magnetism is not created by material structure lattice of magnetic unpolarized material (not a magnet) but by the electrical field applied electrically polarizing the material structure of it.

So NO electricity makes a magnet and not its material structure. material structure makes only a material more susceptible to magnetism.

Please, it is fine to object but there is no point in endless debate.

let us agree that we disagree.

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that's a hoax
So are these:

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the bar transforms into two domains, one at each end...




Is this a hoax and is it only fluid dynamics?




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The above is correct using electromagnetism general theory.

Magnetization and magnets are however better explained today by quantum mechanics therefore a better illustration of the magnetization process and a magnet is the bellow illustration:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TCa...ew?usp=sharing

notice the two opposite ejected jets or vortices North and South are what we call dipole magnetism, however both get ejected from the monopole scalar magnetic field of the dark matter domain, that is why it is called domain wall (Bloch wall).

Why this is hapening at the Bloch region?

Electric fields act as a barrier for magnetic radiation (think about it like a shield), the don't like each other and repel each other.

Only where electric field is nullified E=0, magnetism ejects out of the dark matter domain and pushes back and shrinks electric field in both directions. That is why you will not able to measure any voltage across a ferrite magnet. To demagnetize you have to apply via a coil to the magnet an external electric field which will close the cap on the Bloch region and stop the magnetic radiation poring out.

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EM wave vs magnetic field

EM,

I think your problem is you confuse electromagnetic waves and static magnetic fields.

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Electromagnetic radiation consists of waves of electric and magnetic fields, but not all configurations of electric and magnetic fields are described as "radiation." Certainly static fields, like the Earth's magnetic field and the other fields you describe, are not called "radiation."
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no i am explaining electromagnetism at its genesis

as for EM waves these are due free electrons.

Electromagnetism is caused always by a electrons unbalanced distribution on a medium either if its due free electrons (waves) or polarized bond electrons (static) it is still called electromagnetism as such is a magnet it is a quantum electromagnetic machine.

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The Purpose of this Thread...

Hello to All,

Now, to all posting here:

Guys, the main reason of this Thread, as all others I have put together related to Magnetism and the True Magnetic Field, is to reach an Enlightenment, just as Title says...hoping that we ALL reach an Agreement.

So, "agreeing to disagreeing" WILL NOT GET US ABSOLUTELY ANYWHERE!

@Markoul: It is great to have you here posting , besides all your knowledge... you belong to the "Academy"...or call it "The Scientific Establishment" ...and it really pleases me to see someone like you seeing Magnetic Fields different than Conventional Physics.

However, arguing about the "ORIGINS" or whatever Magnetic Fields "step out from", like now - according to you- Magnetic Fields are not coming from the Aether, but from "Dark Matter, or Dark Energy"... this arguments does not contribute to HELP UNDERSTAND MAGNETIC FIELDS.

Arguments about where the Field COMES FROM, ORIGINATES FROM, is kind of "The Origins History of the Magnetic Field" and that is fine and dandy, "nice book"...but serves like a big ZERO to help understand the Magnetic Field.

Second; If You re-read the Title of this Thread it reads clearly that is SUPPORTING K. Wheeler THEORY in a 100%, Therefore, and please, do NOT come here to write that Ken's Theory is wrong...and you are right.

With all due respect, the Day that You put together a STANDALONE NOVEL THEORY BOOK ABOUT MAGNETISM (meaning not "backed up" by Quantum Physics, nor ANY other one) BUT YOUR OWN THEORY, in a BOOK, like Ken did, of as many pages, illustrations, REAL EXPERIMENTS, etc,etc...then you could open a Thread and render all your findings there.

And so, I will be more than happy to read it and offer all my opinions about it.

But so far, HERE, that's all we have.


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Finding a "Common" reasoning between Two Theories...

Now, related to my opinion about all arguments here:

1- ELECTRIC VERSUS MAGNETIC FIELDS

I do NOT think that "JUST ANY" Electric Field will generate a Magnetic Field.

Electricity (or an Electric Field) is just "ONE OF THE MANY COMPONENTS" to build ("put together", if you like) a Magnetic Field.

But that Electric Field MUST COMPLY WITH A SPECIFIC GEOMETRY in order to create a Magnetic Field.

That "Geometry" anyone knows what it looks like: A COIL OF CONDUCTIVE WIRE WINDING, or call it a SPRING LIKE SHAPE but that spring type shape MUST BE WRAPPED AROUND THE FERROMAGNETIC CORE.

If that spring is just around the "sides" of core, but not including it WITHIN (like we all know) then, even there is an Electric Field...there would NEVER BE any Magnetic Field generated, PERIOD.

Conclusion: Electric Field Geometry must be SPECIFIC to generate a Magnetic Field, hence we can not just consider that "any electric field" will generate magnetism.

Much less the term "Electricity" (or electrical flow) is completely incorrect to say it will create magnetic fields, "just like that".

Otherwise, if true, then by just connecting two terminals positive and negative to any iron bar ENDS...will magnetize that IRON core...True?...of course NOT, NEVER!!

2- FERROMAGNETIC MOLECULAR POLARIZATION (DOMAIN ALIGNMENTS) VERSUS MAGNETIC FIELD SPATIAL SPECTRUM

Here I would like you to, please, try to "see in the invisible"...

I believe -like I wrote before- that the molecular ferromagnetic alignments due to the presence (Influence) or CARRYING a Magnetic Field are true, as we have been taught, meaning, FERROMAGNETIC CORES do not establish any difference in their molecular center.

This Particles, molecules or as you like to call them...are completely STATIC, meaning they can NOT MOVE within the core material, therefore all they do is to get polarized.

Sprinkling Iron filings over a ferromagnetic bar magnet will ADAPT, AND SHOW AN EXACT ALIGNMENT as that Bar "assumes".

All of the above does NOT mean at all, that we are looking at the REAL MAGNETIC FIELD SPECTRUM, based on either inner core or outer particles alignments.

Only way I can find, so far to example this is by comparing it with a light bulb...it could be an incandescent or even an LED would do...

When we send electricity through the Light Bulb terminals, right at the Incandescent Filament is where we can "see" an Electrical Flow, due to all the properties of that conductive metal, plus the vacuum of the environment...we get very dark glasses and we only see a straight and flaming bright wire...a line.

But now, Does that incandescent short and fine FLAMING wire represents the LIGHT SPECTRUM, or the REAL LIGHTING VOLUME OF THOSE TRILLIONS OF PHOTONS ILLUMINATING THE ENTIRE ROOM?

OF COURSE NOT!!

In an LED we also have two elements, like the two terminals holding the Tungsten Filament, except here cathode-anode are not connected by any wire...but kind of a "semiconductor" a diode...all those COMPONENTS make the Light Spectrum Volume

Same way as when we apply a specific electric flow around a ferromagnetic core...and that core will show a flow...that we can see with some specific instruments (domains alignment)...but that alignment does not represents the MAGNETIC FIELD SPECTRUM SPATIAL VOLUME, even though they are both (MASS ALIGNMENTS-SPATIAL SPECTRUM) using same Dimension, same Space-Time.

Hope you all understand this analogy.


No more time...end


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Dear Ufopolitics,

Thank you for you valuable insight concerning these matters and fields.

The debate about matter generating field or field generating matter reminds the old, the chicken made the egg or the egg made the chicken.

I am not disputing Ken's theory and I am intrigued by his intellect. However, this does not take me the right away to notice some discrepancies in some points of his theory shown by empirical data we have so far in order to improve the theory.

See it as my small contribution to Ken's theory.

For example the are no flux reciprocating direct from the two poles.

Empirical data shows only two opposite separate twisted toroid vortices hyperboloids generated out by the secretion disc on the ground state middle of magnet namely its diamagnetic plane or else Bloch region domain wall.

These directly implies that since magnetic radiation originates from a specific region and we can not see the interaction taking place in this region, that it must get ejected in someway from an invisible not known yet energy or matter domain interacting with our know matterial word thus as we call it ordinary matter and energy.

Call it aether or dark matter, doesn't really matter.


So magnetic field of dipole is 3D geometrically essentially not a sphere but two hemispheres separated by the Bloch domain wall.

There is no direct connection from North to South pole. Look it as two monopoles joined via the ground state domain wall.

To say otherwise without empirical data available to support it, is plain wrong.

Also notice gyromagnetic ratio of of magnetic dipole is preserved since field geometry elementary is not changed since it consists from two hemispheres.

So i am not an disputer of Ken's theory but merely a contributor.

Also i find injustice to project on me when there are real disputers of Ken Wheeler's theory in this thread here.

Nevertheless, i would like thank anyone in this thread who coped with me and wish you the best for finding enlightenment.

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[QUOTE=Markoul;309663]Dear Ufopolitics,

Thank you for you valuable insight concerning these matters and fields.

The debate about matter generating field or field generating matter reminds the old, the chicken made the egg or the egg made the chicken.

I am not disputing Ken's theory and I am intrigued by his intellect. However, this does not take me the right away to notice some discrepancies in some points of his theory shown by empirical data we have so far in order to improve the theory.

See it as my small contribution to Ken's theory.

For example the are no flux reciprocating direct from the two poles.

Empirical data shows only two opposite separate twisted toroid vortices hyperboloids generated out by the secretion disc on the ground state middle of magnet namely its diamagnetic plane or else Bloch region domain wall.

[B]These directly implies that since magnetic radiation originates from a specific region and we can not see the interaction taking place in this region, that it must get ejected in someway from an invisible not known yet energy or matter domain interacting with our know matterial word thus as we call it ordinary matter and energy.

Call it aether or dark matter, doesn't really matter.


Markoul;
This isn't intended to be nit~picking: That isn't my intent: I can see that you're making honest explanations based on what you believe right now, some of which I find useful and interesting, and I want you to be aware of that so that you understand I appreciate your work since writing is labor intensive. Your labors are not in vain, and not un~appreciated, which I think is important to communicate to you personally.

However, as painful as writing these posts often are, they do come with the benefit of refining knowledge, even as our errors are exposed by doing so, which then enable the refinement of ideas we ourselves hold: None of us are immune to the way the blade slices. Markoul, I agree with you in the sense that the magnetic field is flowing out of an un~recognized energy field. I do not, however, feel it is an unknown energy field, merely it is an un~recognized energy field.

There is a significant difference between unknown and un~recognized; what I've suggested is it is likely we already do know aspects of the this field because it already has exposed itself in some forms in the existing space around us right now. So I have to disagree with you when you say that it doesn't matter how we define the space from which the magnetic field flows out from. It matter a great deal in my opinion. What is likely is that there is a cross correlation between what we think we know and what we haven't yet thought of which spans across to explain cause and effect, and so it's likely that neither the known or the unknown is entirely correct; if that makes any sense at all?

Dark matter/energies is a concept that puts us in the realm of witchcraft, where nothing is known, and so I have to reject it and revert to other known means which puts us back in the realm of honest science where we at least have some knowledge and proven concepts. One of which appears to be time frame dragging which shows that speed and time are correlated to each other and that both are correlated to distortions in time and space.


The problem with dark matter is that it is a manifest invention with a primary function designed to up~hold conventional explanations about the way things work on a galactic scale. Thus, dark matter/energies is an invention designed explicitly as an expedient; a back~door way to block more rational explanations from gaining their proper station in the realm of scientific discussion. Simply put, pure mumbo~jumbo, whereas if we divest ourselves in this spectral suppositions, which are honestly drawn out of the historical context of witchcraft trials, and instead revert to the tried and true, then supportable notions drawn from known physics and the interaction of matter and energy in motion will get us much further along with understanding phenomena through experimental tests and hypothetical suppositions than reverting to explanations where in witchcraft is used to explain an unknown result, and that's all dark matter is. It's just pure nonsense is what it is. It isn't even remotely rational in my opinion, even though I once also thought it was rational~ LOL~

If we instead take time as a model to try to explain the outcome then here we have an explanation for cause and effect. We already know that time exists, that it can be altered, we know this. We know that speed and time are correlated. If we all would divest ourselves of this dark energy babble then I think we all might see where other things you've written make sense. So in no way am I saying all that you've posted is gibberish at all. What I am saying is that dark matter is more than just anything. It's a veil in a very wide sense and it's blocking and obscuring clear thinking, just as it was intended to do when it was invented. That is it's purpose.

Ya know the main problem I'm seeing, beyond the intentionally designed plots of the powers that be, which includes this dark matter witchcraft, is that people cannot get past this evident highway formed by the re~aligned crystalline patterns in a magnet. Ya look at that and it's all lined up like a one way road, and that's the trick to this thing, it is a one way road with all roads leading to the center: All roads lead to Rome. It's that kind of highway system. It's why I've said it's like a bunch of magnifying lens all focused upon the center, or like a mass array lens in this sense.





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So magnetic field of dipole is 3D geometrically essentially not a sphere but two hemispheres separated by the Bloch domain wall.

There is no direct connection from North to South pole. Look it as two monopoles joined via the ground state domain wall.



What if it isn't a wall Markoul, but rather the ingestion intake point; the realm of an accretion plane, the point where in space there exists a so~called "event horizon." In that case then both hemispheres are joined, they just appear to not be, and the illusion is due to the description of a "Bloch Wall" (which is incorrect). It isn't a wall, it's something akin to a vacuum point such as an accretion disc induces in space.

NASA's idea of a Puslar.


https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienc...ar_diagram.png

Russia's idea of a black hole accretion disc ~ well maybe...just guessing really.



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To say otherwise without empirical data available to support it, is plain wrong.

Also notice gyromagnetic ratio of of magnetic dipole is preserved since field geometry elementary is not changed since it consists from two hemispheres.

So i am not an disputer of Ken's theory but merely a contributor.

Also i find injustice to project on me when there are real disputers of Ken Wheeler's theory in this thread here.

Nevertheless, i would like thank anyone in this thread who coped with me and wish you the best for finding enlightenment.

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Well I hope that this post, despite taking a general position of opposition, does nevertheless also show that I do find you have contributed which, personally speaking, I found useful and which helped me to have another view on the whole.

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Dear Gambeir,

Thank you for your kind words, a lot of labor and care is put in your writting and I really appreciate this.

However, i kindly disaagre with you. Dark matter does not hinder our understanding and enlightenment and don't get confused by its exotic name.

No more than 500 years ago the invisible electromagnetism and atoms could evenly be described with these terms dark matter and dark energy by people of this age.

Scientists and researches are today at a dead end. So we must try not to look at the tree but at the whole forest picture in order to find the truth.

Our theory accounts only for a tiny part (5% the say) of all of what is actually out there.

We will never solve the puzzle without all of its pieces.

For 2000 years and more now we are playing with 5 from the total 100 pieces of the puzzle.

All i am saying is THAT WE ARE MISSING 95 PIECES!!

... and ask you to explore unexplored territory... what more exciting than that as Faraday and Tesla did! chewing the same gum all the time is boring and no new discoveries will be made ever. Discovery is the search of unknown territory.



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