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That was funny Bistander...lol

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Hi Ufo,

I didn't think that was the case. So I did some looking around and found someone who agrees with me at physics.stackexchange.com.

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The word "flux" is something of an accident of history. See for example it's use in Gauss' law or as a magnetic flux. Nothing is actually flowing e.g. for a static charge we would still refer to the flux through a surface surrounding the charge even though the system is time independant.
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That was really funny Bistander!!...

"An Accident of History"??!!...Wow! for God sake really funny, Oh, my stomach hurts...!!

It sounds like a Soap Opera!!

"The Accident of History"...watch the final chapters soon!...lol

You will see the Real "Accident of History" pretty soon...

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I will post this link. The first two animations show the fields in question here very well (without arrows). Magnets in Motion
Hi Ufo,

I guess I didn't realize your quandary was with the fact there was no difference between the magnitude of the repelling force between two identical magnets N to N, vs S to S. I think the animations to which I linked do an excellent job showing the fields independent of arrows and Ns & Ss. The first animation will look the same if it is N - S, or S - N. And the second animation will look the same regardless if it is N - N, or S - S.

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That was really funny Bistander!!...

"An Accident of History"??!!...Wow! for God sake really funny, Oh, my stomach hurts...!!
I'm glad you're amused. I do hope you noticed the part I'll highlight below:

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See for example it's use in Gauss' law or as a magnetic flux. Nothing is actually flowing e.g. for a static charge we would still refer to the flux through a surface surrounding the charge even though the system is time independant.
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I find this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5GY...&nohtml5=False from this new thread from this forum ("Plasma Vortex Motor".) quite useful to the discussion.

UFO don't you think ?
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Absolutely it is tough to work with the invisible
RELIGION

so your tryign to prove a theory without an object now. so your not even trying to prove how a magnet works. and i dont see how a magnet can work. yuo just claim it works. you didnt attempt to bother with the paper i linked to up there. you claimed you are right by using your own, comment.

thats not scientific. you said you dnot need the hurricane.. well then where did the hurricane go?

so again your not even proving how a magnet works. a vortex is a concept and you claim Im wrong based on your own comment you used for making it up, you claim your own theory is right because, you just made it up.

thats not scientific. you dont belong in science. and you didnt even attempt to use the scientific method. you have zero critical thinking your even attackign me in here with, DARK MATTER.

JUST CHANGE THE TOPIC TO BLACK HOLES ARE REALLY REALLY REAL SINCE YOU DONT CARE WHICH FALSE MADE UP JUNK YOUR TRYING TO PROVE, IF ITS A MAGNET IS A VORTEX, YOUR NOT EVEN TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING ANY OBJECT ANY MORE. SICKENING TOPIC JUST AS MUCH AS YOUR VIDEOS. WHEELER WHORING TO OTHERS HOW TO BE SICK LIKE HIM AND *****. AND YOUR RIDING HIM ARENT YOU. YOUR ATTACKS ON A VIDEO HOSTING SITE UP THERE, VIMEO SHOWS YOUR REAL STATUS OPERANDA.

THATS MY STANCE UNTIL PROVED AND SHOWN OTHERWISE. YOULL TAKE ANYTHING YOU CAN LIE ABOUT THROUGH YOUR TEETH.

I HOPE PEOLLE GET SMART BEFORE THEY DESTROY THE INTERNET PRETENDING YOU IDIOTS WITH YOUR BREAD BUTTER OH PLEASE KEEP ME MY JOB IDIOTS LIKE EVEN MATTER EVER IN ANYTHING LIKE EVER ****GIN STUPID.

HERES MORE ABOUT A VORTEX BEIGN FAKE IVE NOT WATCHED IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH YET BUT AND ITS BILL GAEDE AGAIN, HES FRIENDS WITH STEVEN CROTHERS, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbtP6J-IIvo

AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MAGNETS WORK, HERES A SIMPLE VIDEO ITS WAY SIMPLER AND IT EXPLAINS YOULL UNDERSTAND.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfUTmx0uh8

SO UNTIL YOU COME UP WITH AN IDEA, DONT ASK OTHERS TO JOIN OR WAST ETHEIR TIME AND WITH YOU YOU BEGGING FOR MONEY

I POSTED THEM video links up there becuase they actually explain the topic, and quell peoples wonder for what the **** A MAGFNWEWT IS. and an explanation of your hog ****. it explains to me, and i dont expect yuo to comment or be able to joint he conversation or anything. you know

whatevcer who cares.

screw yoru concept of a vortex that has never ever been proven. its a fake comic bood scare tactic word. and now you thijnk you dont need anything and when other people bring up these things you think your right and you use your own comment to attack with. and you USE DARK MATTER TOO! this is unscientific, you not discussing with anyone, your only begging for money. end this topic.

if you have nothing to prove about what i asked, shut up
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how is that, Professor Eric Laithwaite gives a demonstration of a large gyro wheel , a magnet?
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how is that, Professor Eric Laithwaite gives a demonstration of a large gyro wheel , a magnet?
"two magnets on a tread"

"vortex on a tread"


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hey bromikey this is your zionist antiwhite hate comment here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_deFJD2hNI
your the kind of guy who would never state somethign by yourself and only mob attack like those punks in that video did. you are a zionist i can see your comments on that video bro mikey.

but anyway ill never step into a temple, a building you worship.
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Red and Blue lines represent the two different polarized fields...North is Blue, Red is South.

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Flux Meaning (Physics):


The rate of flow of a fluid, radiant energy, or particles across a given area.
synonyms: continuous change, changeability, variability, inconstancy, fluidity, instability, unsteadiness, fluctuation, variation, shift, movement, oscillation, alternation, rise and fall, seesawing, yo-yoing
"the flux of vapor in the tube"

antonyms: stability

the amount of radiation or number of particles incident on an area in a given time.
the total electric or magnetic field passing through a surface.

a substance mixed with a solid to lower its melting point, used especially in soldering and brazing metals or to promote vitrification in glass or ceramics.

a substance added to a furnace during metal smelting or glass making that combines with impurities to form slag.I really get goose bumps whenever any of you guys start using old terms as baptized in the Classic Physics...lol

According to above definition, the basic Flux Meaning bolts down to Flow

No, magnetic flux means this:

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the total electric or magnetic field passing through a surface.
That is right out of the definition which you quoted. Magnetic flux is not flow.

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The CAD below show the magnetic steps involved in an Attraction:

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The Image above is a Link to my Photobucket Acct, there it could be zoomed and scrolled for better viewing of each step.

A Brief description:

LINE 1 IMAGES - Two Magnets approach from South>><<North

LINE 2 IMAGE- At certain distance which depends upon magnet strength, size, or spec's in general as composition etc,this stage could develop at longer or shorter distance.
What develops here:

PRIMARILY TAKES PLACE THE HIGH PRESSURE EXCHANGE BETWEEN CLOSER POLES OF THE TWO MAGNETS:

A) Left Magnet South HP Vortex starts connecting with Right Magnet HP South Gate (at center of North Pole)

B) Right Magnet North HP Vortex also connects with Left Magnet HP North Gate (at center of South Pole)

The way this takes place is by a Common Center Spiral exactly at the mid space between both magnets faces, this dual vortexes spinning at the same direction create a Higher Counterspace Accretion Disc.

SECOND, IMMEDIATE MID PRESSURES FROM BOTH MAGNETS STARTS CONNECTING ALSO TO THE NEW HP GATES LINKS EXCHANGE

A) Left Magnet South MP Vortex brakes connection with magnet center accretion disc to start entering Right Magnet Higher Pressure Gate.

B) Right Magnet North MP Vortex does exactly same process as above...

I represented the old MP connections in faded colors red and blue.

THIRD, FURTHER MP STARTS CONNECTING TO NEW FORMED CENTERED ACCRETION DISC

A) Left Magnet North MP Links with Center Spatial Accretion Disc.

B) Right Magnet South MP also links to new formed Center Spatial Disc.

This two latest MP connections assists HP Attraction Forces as each magnets center accretion counterspace disc starts approaching Main Center Spatial Disc from both ends and reducing immediate MP Vortexes into "voidance".

LINE 3 (THIRD IMAGE) is a closer approach not making physical contact yet, small gap still, to notice the shrinking of Inner MP Vortexes as both dielectric fields from each magnet get closer to Main Center one.

In 3D this connections looks like two spheres shrinking.

The old method with loose Iron dust model can not define but one single sphere forming between both magnets, however, color CRT Imaging , Viewing Film and Ferrocell Lens depicts this center separation/compression of the two spheres perfectly well.

LINE 4 (FINAL IMAGE) is the full new magnet formed, it has added the strength from both, and the original structure as a single magnet is finished.

You know All this steps takes only fractions of seconds.

This process is completely reversible, meaning, as we brake both magnets apart, the whole process will be reversed also in fractions of seconds.

There are two ways to visualize this interaction...one expensive method and another one cheaper.

HD Cam on tripod filming in slow motion, while magnets run inside a clear plastic tubing...

Or cheaper, get two identical magnets with holes running from pole to pole...and using fine long brass or 100% stainless bolt & nuts to separate air gaps while taking pics...then screwing them together in steps...

CRT SCREENING:

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MIXED UP VIEW FILM AND CRT:

[IMG][/IMG]


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Hi Ufo,

A short while ago I replicated this using magnetic viewing film and bar magnets. The magnets were identical. I was able to get results looking like lines 1 and 2 in your diagrams. The lines you drew in yellowish green appear as light lines on the viewing film right over the center of each magnet and centered between the two magnets as shown in the center frame of your last posted image. However I could not get these center lines to move off of magnet mid-point no matter how close together I brought the magnets, even touching. In other words, I was unable to replicate lines 3 & 4 in your diagrams.

This was repeated numerous times using two different sets of bar magnets. I haven't seen you do the actual experiment. Perhaps you could do it when you get a chance.

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Hi Ufo,

A short while ago I replicated this using magnetic viewing film and bar magnets. The magnets were identical. I was able to get results looking like lines 1 and 2 in your diagrams. The lines you drew in yellowish green appear as light lines on the viewing film right over the center of each magnet and centered between the two magnets as shown in the center frame of your last posted image. However I could not get these center lines to move off of magnet mid-point no matter how close together I brought the magnets, even touching. In other words, I was unable to replicate lines 3 & 4 in your diagrams.

This was repeated numerous times using two different sets of bar magnets. I haven't seen you do the actual experiment. Perhaps you could do it when you get a chance.

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Bistander,

This Tests has been seeing/done from many different other people/sources including Ken's Book...and His Thread...

However, now you are attempting and it happens it don't work (for you)...

So, first, let me say that Magnets MUST BE BALANCED as strength, even being identical, and normally ceramics are lousy magnets to do this kind of specific testing since they are not as compact in magnetic strength as Neo's are.

But, no matter what, here I did a sequence on the same cheap, Unbalanced Radio Shack old Ceramic rectangle cubes:

1-TWO MAGNETS TOGETHER (TOUCHING EACH OTHERS) RENDER A SOLID, SINGLE DIELECTRIC BETWEEN BOTH (NO MORE SEPARATED DIELECTRIC PLANE FOR EACH)

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2-A SMALLER GAP...YOU COULD SEE CLEARLY HOW DIELECTRIC FIELD ON RIGHT STARTS SEPARATING)

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3-A WIDER GAP THAN #2..

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4- A LARGER GAP THAN #3..

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5- A LARGER GAP THAN #4...

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This tests must be done precisely, gaps could be measured separators, or non magnetic bolts/nuts with a flat surface adaptors, etc,etc...
Some magnets when they are not IDENTICAL in strength, the stronger one would be the one which dielectric move less (prevailing one) than weaker one.

Obviously on Tests above, Right Magnet is stronger than Left one.



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Nice post Ufo, thanks. I used Nd magnets. Maybe I can get pictures later today and post them.

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I find this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5GY...&nohtml5=False from this new thread from this forum ("Plasma Vortex Motor".) quite useful to the discussion.



UFO don't you think ?
Thanks Nathan,

Yes, indeed it is a very interesting video and Thread. It would be VERY interesting to add a center dual (two part cut at 180) iron ring mounted on ceramic (non magnetic) bearings to center bar...

However, I am trying NOT to mix Electric Fields with Magnetic Fields together at this time...in order not to bring confusion as I mentioned before...we get to distort the magnetic field with the electric field influence, therefore, we do not see the fields as they really are under no influence from absolutely nothing.


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It can be expected that graphic representation is difficult at present level.
It is good to try to isolate a basic magnet in an unmolested state.
The most basic form always having the same charecteristics can serve as an anchor.
We can also try to follow along with electromagnetic space weather.
The models are natural, The integration of concepts. Seeing simularities.
The filamentous tentacles nature of the magnetosphere.

The coronal mass being one entity and the magneto sphere is another.
The approach also trys to isolate the two entities. Even artifacts having both.
So the question: What impact does one have on the other ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc8K5n1PjQU
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Nice post Ufo, thanks. I used Nd magnets. Maybe I can get pictures later today and post them.

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Hi Ufo,

Here are some photos of my tests. I am no photographer.



Magnets separated by .25 inch fiberglass sheet.



Magnets separated by .015 inch Nomex paper.



No separation between magnets.

Viewing film and magnets bought from K & J Magnetics. Magnets are coated N-42 rectangular magnetization axis thru the thickness (shortest dimension).

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Hi Ufo,

Here are some photos of my tests. I am no photographer.



Magnets separated by .25 inch fiberglass sheet.



Magnets separated by .015 inch Nomex paper.



No separation between magnets.

Viewing film and magnets bought from K & J Magnetics. Magnets are coated N-42 rectangular magnetization axis thru the thickness (shortest dimension).

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Hello Bistander,

I can see you are no photographer...lol

Ok,just kidding, pics look great, first let me ask you a couple of questions...

I do not have clear what shape are those magnets?

Are they Hexagon Bars?

It would be great if you could show the full magnet (just one) and then put the view film over it AND at its bottom face...to see its X Ray in 2D.

If they are hexagon bars and magnetized along the main axis, you have to mark the exact faces (or edges) where dielectric is at both ends, hopefully 180 apart.

However, I can tell you that the Right One is weaker than left, and it did moved its dielectric towards center space, where it bridged to center spatial line, as I hope you've noticed.

Try not to do this test above a solid steel vise like in the two first pics...set them away from any ferromagnetic influence that is too close. Or Field will be distorted somehow it could "prefer" to bridge to heavier steel from a point you are not seeing.

If you had any rectangular shape magnetized along smaller face (like I showed on my pics) or cylindrical magnetized through their center (equator) would be much better than round or hex magnetized through their axis for this testing.

Neo's are very compact fields, so dielectric is very fine.


Hope this helped you and thanks for sharing pics!


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Some Dielectric Testing Video

Ok, here is a quick video I put together for you...about Dielectric Displacement.



VIEW FILM DIELECTRIC DISPLACEMENT



This video is set as Unlisted, so it will not appear at YT Chanel.


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Hello Bistander,

I can see you are no photographer...lol

Ok,just kidding, pics look great, first let me ask you a couple of questions...

I do not have clear what shape are those magnets?

Are they Hexagon Bars?

It would be great if you could show the full magnet (just one) and then put the view film over it AND at its bottom face...to see its X Ray in 2D.

If they are hexagon bars and magnetized along the main axis, you have to mark the exact faces (or edges) where dielectric is at both ends, hopefully 180 apart.

However, I can tell you that the Right One is weaker than left, and it did moved its dielectric towards center space, where it bridged to center spatial line, as I hope you've noticed.

Try not to do this test above a solid steel vise like in the two first pics...set them away from any ferromagnetic influence that is too close. Or Field will be distorted somehow it could "prefer" to bridge to heavier steel from a point you are not seeing.

If you had any rectangular shape magnetized along smaller face (like I showed on my pics) or cylindrical magnetized through their center (equator) would be much better than round or hex magnetized through their axis for this testing.

Neo's are very compact fields, so dielectric is very fine.


Hope this helped you and thanks for sharing pics!


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Thanks Ufo,



Here is the shape, what I called rectangular, off the K & J web site. And the iron vice was 3 or 4 inches below the magnets. Basically I saw no difference in the pattern when holding the magnets and when the separater was clamped in the vice. I just needed my hands to snap the photo.

I suspected unequal strengths on the magnets. Also the radius corners and coating on the magnets, as well as the lighting and camera angle all affect the patterns on the viewing film. It is not easy to get clear repeatable results.

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Thanks Ufo,



Here is the shape, what I called rectangular, off the K & J web site. And the iron vice was 3 or 4 inches below the magnets. Basically I saw no difference in the pattern when holding the magnets and when the separater was clamped in the vice. I just needed my hands to snap the photo.
Thanks,

Did you watch the video I posted?, did it helped?

Do you have any other type where the Dielectric Plane is located in a wider area?...like I showed the cylinders at equator for example.

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To have better view/pics for magnetic film you need Dual Lighting...a white background and indirectly illuminated (back light) so you could see the film translucence brighter, then better defined the darker field areas.
The front lighting must not hit the film surface creating any reflections on film that could be seen through camera.
Film should be mounted to a clear plexiglass in order that would not bend, and camera must be set at straight angle 90 to film surface.


To film/photograph Ferrocell is the opposite and more complex...need black room, black, non reflective surface for background...no rear no front light, just side ring of LED's not seen through the cell or the Camera... just hitting the field...magnets should be matte black heat shrink...Camera must be on higher ASA (400/800/1000), and Flash Off.

Now Timm has developed a new kind of cell which you could set the magnet on top of lens and what you will observe is the reflection from the field. So the lens don't need to be that sensitive as before when you observed the field Through the Lens. (The more sensitive the darker the amber color in lens).

It is tricky to do this in the beginning...but once you get it right, then it is just a matter of clicking and done deal.


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It can be expected that graphic representation is difficult at present level.
This is not a surprise when you try to draw a concept on paper. Oh man i could burn yuo guys, all day with this.

Thats what the black hole guys say, too.

You guys stop, your just drawing these, weird pictures to ooh and aw people, to trick them into your little scam.

Let's see here have I any thing else to say. .. hmm.

See if your trying to .. lets do this, you need objects to do a test with. your trying to prove a concept, with no objects in it. And you'd stop if you realize your not even trying to show howwwwwww a magnet works, which you guys dont know.

so your not testing anythign at all whatever, none. zero. Your trying to prove a concept, a vortex, with Nothing. There is nothign to test. You;ve seen nothing done nothing and you guys PUSH the black hole crap more than ANythign else that you do. This topic should be shut down talking about ****ing vortexes. Your wrong and you guys are stupid. Espeically Wheeler.

Vortex, fake. Anything related to a vortex, not a funnel, is fake. Fake vortex hard drives- Fake vortex grass cuttting fueling with burned grass vortex- both of these, where spewed with this idea, of a magnet works with a vortex by Wheeler.

You guys are fooled by that idiot. I could care less about how many books he writes, i was a kid once and had a crt and a magnet. OOh ahhh. Ive done all that. really you could of not made teh book.

Really where is this you guys think vortexes are real coming from? see i just proved everythign you've hyeard about them are fake. there is nothign real about a vortex. you cant even see it. ive never believed in them. bye.
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Hi ldrancer,

Another fool who believes that:

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THE DOUBLE VORTEX
WITH THE SPINS ALONGSIDE
Noticing the last illustration, it is evident that the "whirlwind" or "tornado" effect
is present and that there are two vortices present at each "pole".
An interesting and important piece of in
formation, though, is that these vortices
are not all the same, as is shown in pr
evious illustration for clarity. Notice the
distribution of the spins:
Howard Johnson The Secret World Of Magnets

It's illustrated too.

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WOW dude you got issues .

Apparently the observation of nature is not your strong suit . You have never seen a tornado or hurricane let alone experienced one . If you did I think you will change your thinking on the NATURE of the vortex . And would be convinced it is very real . Yes sir I question your powers of observation .
So you think this topic should be shut down because you believe it's fake ? So no one else can question your superior intellect with obvious observations of nature .
Science is the study of nature and it's functions , that is ie....
It's natural laws.

Did you even care to look or try the experiments ?
I think not !! If you find this topic so offense to your
Intellect ; your free to never return . I think non here would suffer greatly without your scientific incite and surely we could do without your verbal abuse and insults .
And with that I wish you well ; good bye to you !

@ UFO Thank you for your work in the study of this most interesting subject . Also for you efforts to make and post your videos . But mostly for your well thought out experiments . Though it seems some are not able to draw usable conclusions from them . I see where your going with this in your design of generators and motors .
I look forward to seeing what you will present .

I do not post often but have been reading your threads for years I much appreciate all of your efforts .
Am glad that you find the time and effort to make this info known to others .

A fellow researcher ,

Jeff
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tornado=swirl. do you telling me that if i have a 2-liter and do that tornado, thing right its a tornado? no argument? no objection no comment? fine. then, i have a ? in your words a vortex? a vortex in a 2 liter bottle?
..noo

ive seen the picture. are you guys asking me to give my opinion? i dont really.. have that much an idea here but im just telling you to look at it different. im not attacking everybody else unless you blindly follow, but just to the theory here.

I said a vortex is a concept. I've proven this now. You can't do science with concepts.

Im not going to .. give...my opinion on what is happening here, but you guys shouldlook at it a differnet way, just cause wheeler said it dont mean nothing. he also said, vortex hdd's, and a vortex feeding itself its own fuel lawn mowers. no it wouldnt be a vortex if thats even real;this vortex lawnmower, it would be a vacuum. like a vacuum cleaner. guess why you never seen it.

ive gave 3 proofs that vortexes are concepts. yuo guys havent gave one. and thats the topic here, though isnt it? a magnet is a vortex? and you know HOW magnets work which is what the topic is, and your saying its becuase its a vortex. which that isnt science if you use concepts. the magnet still works without your idea.

3 proofs, bill gaede, the website link to the pdf, and the 2-liter bottle example. i just wonder why you guys continue plodding along some religion for. freedom of religion guys so i can say what i believe here, i believe real things not fake so i can talk. if you guys can answer my question. then you could quit talking.

you guys cant even define what your talking about going back to my point about a tornado 2-liter. your trying to prove a concept to be real, youcant be consistent with your word.
you say a magnet works by cause it IS a vortex, then after I say a vortex is a concept you say a magnet works by using a concept vortex. again the entire vortex is a concept. if a magnet works its not by a vortex. a vortex is a concept. maybe, you since you seen all these thigns and all this, crap maybe you should look at it different what makes you think your so right? wheeler? ! that guy insults me and cant answer one of my questions. hah. maybe he should respond to this vortex and his magnet theory. not you bunch of guys

and as for them pictures you have the middle blanked out ive explained this before like at least once ? ok. fine. or if you dont blank out the middle the side lines go out into nowhere. your drawing an infinity symbol and thinking its an object. infinity another concept.. edit: and wouldnt you know after wirting that i searched for it, infinity concept, Infinity Is a Beautiful Concept ? And It's Ruining Physics
also, too you couldnt draw an infinity cause everybody knows it wouldnt work. thats the plain truth right there showing you it dont work. everybody knows an infinity symbol doesnt show, infinity working. it breaks. and thats exactly what your trying to draw using a vortex. thats why it dont work and yuo see it doesnt work. thats good reason.
ive played with magnets and crts since i was a kid. dont do that yuoll, freeze the tv

for real. 4 evidences proving magnets arent a vortex or an infinity symbol. come on yu gus need to resond tome. show me a picture that shows it going round and round.. and working without just ending up creasing itself.

it was made an object of this, concept, but it locks in the middle, it cant spin. you guys seen it right? the metal ball that he had in the one video. actual thign but it doesnt function. hes siting there with it in his hand and cant come to the idea hes wrong.wtv it doesnt matter.

is there not one part of a car that doesnt spin to work? the pistons spin round round the crankshaft. the wheels spin round round the bearing. the balls in that spin round round the races. the axels spin round round the transaxle. trans shaft spins round round the flywheel. you spin the wheel round round. the wheel son the busssssssssssssssssssssssss goooo come on this is 5 year old stuff. some guy playing with tvs and magnets your going to believe? a vortex? no vortexes are not real.
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No Vortexes Uh?

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so your not testing anythign at all whatever, none. zero. Your trying to prove a concept, a vortex, with Nothing. There is nothign to test.
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Vortex, fake. Anything related to a vortex is fake. Fake vortex hard drives- Fake vortex grass cuttting fueling with burned grass vortex- both of these, where spewed with this idea, of a magnet works with a vortex by Wheeler.
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Really where is this you guys think vortexes are real coming from? see i just proved everythign you've hyeard about them are fake. there is nothign real about a vortex. you cant even see it. ive never believed in them.
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I said a vortex is a concept. I've proven this now. You can't do science with concepts.
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a magnet is a vortex? and you know HOW magnets work which is what the topic is, and your saying its becuase its a vortex.
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you say a magnet works by cause it IS a vortex, then after I say a vortex is a concept you say a magnet works by using a concept vortex. again the entire vortex is a concept. if a magnet works its not by a vortex. a vortex is a concept. maybe, you since you seen all these thigns and all this, crap maybe you should look at it different what makes you think your so right?
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for real. evidences proving magnets are a vortex ...come on you guys need to respond to me. show me a picture that shows it going round and round..
Idranter,


I will show you not just "a" picture...but 10 minutes of video with thousands of frames/pictures...where Magnet's vortexes are spinning round and round and reversed when flipped...and then forward to then reverse it again and again and so on and on...



MAGNETISM HYDRODYNAMIC VORTEXES


Enjoy it...


But then again...that video may not be enough proof to you.


Hope you are taking your medicine...


Take care


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About the magnetic Hydro Dynamic Vortex Video...

Hello to All,



The set up is very simple...a glass container, a strip of copper surrounding the inner mid section and connected to positive. The Electrode was a brass rod connected to negative.

The reason why I chose to connect the electric field developing inside electrolyte to be that way is simple...a Magnet Vortex is Centrifugal, meaning it evolves from center to outer space...so I wanted to reproduce the E-Field that same way in order not to be opposed which case could mess up reading in directions of vortexes for each polarization. So, if Electrode is at very center of container, electrons will travel outwards (centrifugal as well) towards the positive closed copper plate.

The main chemical to add to water is the Potassium Hydroxide (1 Tablespoon). However, the only available concentrated drain cleaner I found had also Sodium Hydroxide (kind of a salt, but very caustic)...but it worked out just fine.


WARNING: PLEASE DO NOT HANDLE THIS ELECTROLYTE WITHOUT RUBBER GLOVES SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO WORK WITH THIS TYPE OF CHEMICALS!!

This chemicals will eat your skin, making it first very soapy like...as it will damage any plastics or electronics like a Camera.

As you could realize...non of this additives to water is Ferromagnetic, therefore, there is absolutely no magnetic influence to any of the observed floating/moving/spinning particles, which majority are debris from reactions to the copper strip plate catalyzed by the E-Field (Electron Bombardment) action.

I believe spinning direction is clearly observed for each polarization....I used an HD Cam...and tried that all the video formatting process did not affect viewing details in high quality.

I am not that happy with illumination though...I wanted to be able to observe bubbles much brighter...and you noticed when I am moving a front light trying to...

Original tests supposed to have all power connecting metals to be 100% Stainless Steel, I did not had those at the moment...so debris was created with copper. And instead of a strip...it was a whole stainless bowl as container and positive conductor...but then camera could only have a top view, which is not what I wanted.

Also, 12 Volts is the recommended voltage...

I hope you enjoy seeing a Vortex on a Magnet...since Lorentz disregarded this possibility many years ago, since it does conflict with his mathematics...However, Vortex is there...and clear.


Regards



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a model of a vortex has already been made. the concept was imagined probably from a person who seen a magnet. your not doing nothing new then in that case. can you explain where a vortex concept came from? you act like its proved but then again you act like you invented the damn idea, then go off on me about it. but you never explain it like i asked. you cant prove it, you use the same thign what started the concept of that vortex and claim a non-working model, is how a magnet which actually does work, works. no cause the work is actual real physical and affects the world. a vortex is a concept and cant be used in science. it is 100% and ive proved it 4 or 5 times now its a concept and does not belong in science, your not doing science. when you do this, stuff, your doing religion

thats what this whole thread is is a religious thread. knew when i heard the word vortex i should of ran, wait i did. i never stayed around for wheelers next buy from me stuff buy stuff from me pitch.

debunk one of my actual proofs beofre you go calling me names you nut

or let wheeler do that. he is the one who is supposed to.

here ill give you an idea. you say, you flip the magnet then it switches the rotation direction. ok heres something that acts exactly like that. guess what it is. ... ROPE.
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a model of a vortex has already been made. the concept was imagined probably from a person who seen a magnet. your not doing nothing new then in that case. can you explain where a vortex concept came from? you act like its proved but then again you act like you invented the damn idea, then go off on me about it. but you never explain it like i asked. you cant prove it, you use the same thign what started the concept of that vortex and claim a non-working model, is how a magnet which actually does work, works. no cause the work is actual real physical and affects the world. a vortex is a concept and cant be used in science. it is 100% and ive proved it 4 or 5 times now its a concept and does not belong in science, your not doing science. when you do this, stuff, your doing religion

thats what this whole thread is is a religious thread. knew when i heard the word vortex i should of ran, wait i did. i never stayed around for wheelers next buy from me stuff buy stuff from me pitch.

debunk one of my actual proofs beofre you go calling me names you nut

or let wheeler do that. he is the one who is supposed to.

here ill give you an idea. you say, you flip the magnet then it switches the rotation direction. ok heres something that acts exactly like that. guess what it is. ... ROPE.
Idrancer,

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO ABOVE?!
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Idrancer,

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO ABOVE?!
stupidest topic ever. ya i seen it like, before. when i see a magnet in a fish tank of water i know what the videos about..

Not going to explain yur religion to you. yea i seen these videos a long time ago. why is it you keep repeating the same video over and over? and you have not took the responsiblity of answering my question to you after being debunked. so i owe you and noone else nothing. a rope explains it, its one thing and boom. you keep repeating the same video and why dont you explain the middle there, but you make some vortex claim. im really tired of thsi topic you have been told 5 times how your debunked, and showed 2 different working debunking models of your theories, destroying it both ways. your gone dude bye. religious fanatic.

you just dont pay attention your shown and you just refuse to take your responsiblity to answer questions.

why do you say video what does it mean ANYWAY? you don't, see a vortex. and you keep saying it, but your the one who makes the videos. so. easy for you to say when you try to force someone to answer all the frames of your movie as questions. its a ****ign magnet swirling water, youve done it before too and it does not have a vortex in it. the worst drawings of vortexes arent workign models.

its been made in 3d what is yoru major malfunction!? it doesnt work, a CONCEPT VORTETDX = NO WORK. It doenst FUNCTION. IT PERFORMS NOTHING. LIKE YOUR VIDEO AND YOUR CLAIM IT PEFORMS NOTHING.

there is NO evidence.
and quit spamming to me your stupid ****ing theories also.

ive debunked you 5 times shown 2 working models debunking you or 3 or more.
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this video is completely mine, i made it, mine...mio, me, myself and i did it.. Understand that retard?

So, you could not have seen it "a long time ago", tard.
ive seen it before if you knw what it is. its a magnet swirling water. i can find it but im not going to. where did you get your idea from or did you copyright it tard your not even doing any functions yourself, who gives you you orders? wheeler? are you his cheerleader?

i dont get it, you dont get it, ever like you know it never ends with you. did you originally make the video? ive seen a magnet in a tank of baking soda before with energy stuck to it. interesting but nothing is shown. anyway do you get it? its been done, ive seen it was my point. dont you get it? did you make the first video cause i just said that. I SEEN IT. are you just intentaionly pissing people off? how about well the fact i just explained it and didnt mention me watching your recent video you linked to. how about getting the idea from my explanation of it that its been done once before. this conversation cant go nowhere you dont get past present. or if somethign isnt there or is. i think your just hallucinating

i guess being fanatic enough does that to you? huh?
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