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After watching some of Ken’s videos showing the Ferrocell demonstrations, which I do find quite interesting…

A straight forward question: Has anyone purchased one of these Ferrocells?
Available from: Home

They are the invention of Timm Vanderelli, (they’re not Ken’s invention).
Hello Sputins,

The Ferrocell is THE BEST Higher Definition 3D Method to observe the real magnetic fields that I have ever tested.

I have tested magnetic interactions which are not experimented in Ken's Book...and the results are excellent.

In the first pages of the book Ken mentions the Ferrocell as the invention of Timm Vanderelli and Ferrocell USA.

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They seem to be a useful tool for the experimenter. There are lots of videos viewing various magnets or lasers etc. But I can’t find any as yet showing the view from small electromagnetic coils.

Let alone what a resonant coil may look like through one of these Ferrocells.

For around $100 they seem like a good educational toy or piece of test equipment.

Any opinions?
They are very useful, but they are very fragile as well, the cell could be burnt if let for too long time exposed to a strong field and would take weeks to clear up in the best of cases...

I have a few of them, and thanks for posting the link to the new set that Timm is offering with the led ring assembly...that saves a lot of time to build one with the right spec's.

The perfect illumination is required to achieve best and stronger development of field in order to be captured properly by cam, normally the magnet must not make any reflections or refractions due to chromed surface that could lead to artifacts and wrong interpretations...so it is better to paint it flat black or just use some heat shrink tube...

It would be a great idea to use it to observe electromagnets as well

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Hello Sputins,

The Ferrocell is THE BEST Higher Definition 3D Method to observe the real magnetic fields that I have ever tested.

I have tested magnetic interactions which are not experimented in Ken's Book...and the results are excellent.

In the first pages of the book Ken mentions the Ferrocell as the invention of Timm Vanderelli and Ferrocell USA.



They are very useful, but they are very fragile as well, the cell could be burnt if let for too long time exposed to a strong field and would take weeks to clear up in the best of cases...

I have a few of them, and thanks for posting the link to the new set that Timm is offering with the led ring assembly...that saves a lot of time to build one with the right spec's.

The perfect illumination is required to achieve best and stronger development of field in order to be captured properly by cam, normally the magnet must not make any reflections or refractions due to chromed surface that could lead to artifacts and wrong interpretations...so it is better to paint it flat black or just use some heat shrink tube...

It would be a great idea to use it to observe electromagnets as well

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Thanks for the feedback Ufopolitics

The Ferrocells do seem to be a unique viewing device for magnetic fields. I was after some feedback from people that may have had direct use and experience with them.

They do seem like they show up the field of strong magnets rather well, however noted the caution of them being fragile and not allowing strong fields near them for too long...

Do they work okay with the weaker magnets?

Would for example an alternating current (say 50Hz) through a small electromagnet show up a steady view of the resulting magnetic field? Regardless of the frequency? Or would there be a limit to the frequency response? (I would say at a guess, it would show the resulting average magnetic field at whatever response the ferro-fluid could react to..

Nevertheless, the 62mm demo Ferrocell with the RGB LED’s power supply and magnet for $99 seems like a reasonable deal for a 3D magnetic field viewing device that every experimenter should probably have. (Regardless of what people may think of Ken’s theories)

Now they’ll just have to invent a cell that shows what the Dielectric Field looks like in 3D.
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Thanks for the feedback Ufopolitics

The Ferrocells do seem to be a unique viewing device for magnetic fields. I was after some feedback from people that may have had direct use and experience with them.
Hello Sputins,

Good luck...Honestly I do not think you would get absolutely any huge feed back on this Forum, related to experience with Ferrocells...except from just a few, maybe three or four members including Ken Wheeler and me...plus, of course Timm Vanderelli who is also a member on this Forum.

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They do seem like they show up the field of strong magnets rather well, however noted the caution of them being fragile and not allowing strong fields near them for too long...

Do they work okay with the weaker magnets?
It depends basically on the sensitivity of the cell...If you would be dealing ONLY with weak magnets, then make sure you specify Timm to build it for this type of magnets...HOWEVER, You must realize that a higher sensitivity Cell would definitively get burnt VERY EASY under an N-52 huge Neo long exposure...or at least it would loose sensitivity once you start playing with stronger magnets.

So, you would need a specific one for lower intensity fields and another one for Higher ones.

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Would for example an alternating current (say 50Hz) through a small electromagnet show up a steady view of the resulting magnetic field? Regardless of the frequency? Or would there be a limit to the frequency response? (I would say at a guess, it would show the resulting average magnetic field at whatever response the ferro-fluid could react to..
Like I wrote before, Ferrocells take some time to fully develop the whole visible field, they do not react fast or immediately to field influence...then obviously they would not be good for a constant and fast changing magnetic field, like from an AC or pulsed Source.

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Nevertheless, the 62mm demo Ferrocell with the RGB LED’s power supply and magnet for $99 seems like a reasonable deal for a 3D magnetic field viewing device that every experimenter should probably have. (Regardless of what people may think of Ken’s theories)
I agree, also believe so...

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Now they’ll just have to invent a cell that shows what the Dielectric Field looks like in 3D.
Dielectric Field is not a Spatial Field...so the only way to show this kind is by observing how a spatial entity will be sucked inwards this "crack" of counterspace.

Someone posted here a video from Ken where he shows how a green laser beam disappear when reaching/passing by this middle part of a magnet, and filmed through a Ferrocell lens...I don't have time to look it up now, but link is a couple of pages back.

Like I posted before, and like Ken has written originally on his book...Magnetic Viewing film shows clearly the dielectric plane right at center of any magnet, weak or strong...no matter.

Some people would not believe this is the dielectric field...but like Galileo once said..."it still moves"...


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it dont matter anyway. you havent explained a magnet, which noone understands or the galaxies which you show to prove that You know what you're talking about. Either way your wrong.

And I'd like to think since your wrong and can't even prove your theory theoretically, like imagined or in real life, like a working model without throwing out other thigns that noone understands to pretend you know what your saying, which is the opposite of the truth you dont know what your saying your full of crap you dont know what your doing you are LYING.

Id like, to think kens idea is just a model, since he cant prove it himself and neither can ANY of you, show, prove, theorize or try to attempt to give an answer without using something else that noone understands either.. then I SAY ITS just a THEORY OF PERPETUAL SLAVERY. it goes around, then around without being explained and keeps on keeping you guys, going on and on and on about, nothing. Bwahahhhaaa. Yea. It goes around then you guys talk about it and talk about it, then nothing gets explained. Then it comes around, again and you guys, go off again.

ITS PERPETUAL SLAVERY AND tHEORY THEREOF you ****ing idiots. i dont want to hear about this BULL****.

wheres those vortex lawn mowers ken? oh wait thats right hahaha. vortex hardrives? oh right nothing. but a big mouth.

his idea of an invention is screwing you over until your forced to give him money to do something. like the mechanics that break your crap. car mechanics, yea the same idea he is and einstein the physics monkey mechanics.

You guys think in all your mouths openning and running yuo can explain yru stupid theory without it being a model for perpetual slavery, and get it away from that model or you gonna pull a race card every 2 seconds to get through another discussion arguement..

I believe you brought up this topic so you could DISCUSS it, and have it being a big thing on this forum since it is a model for perpetual slavery. there. now, can you shutup or sway away from the model or not talk about it. then. or is this how, you guys, engage in conversation daily?
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There is a less complicated approach but it is Howard Johnson.
If you don't mind Ken, I am bringing up magnet flipper video.
I think your book is really incredible work.
Reference can be made to publication "Uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism" page 86
The pictures of a dielectric plane (Johnson labels it zero) in both a strong and weak magnet. A helpful distinction.

magnet flipper video:
There are 4 vortices that lead somewhere ?
This video trys to explains an opinion by Howard Johnson in simple terms.
Here is the point trying to be made by Magnet flipper and raises question why has science not taught this ?
Howard Johnson makes this statement:

" Here is really what the magnetic particles look like !! "

The diagram shows a line perpendicular to the pole N and S that is labeled zero and
is there are width measurements indicated and 4 vortices; north has 1 CW and 1 CCW and the south has same.

Later in video he shows the N S flux is spinning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A

What about the width of the bloch wall ?
the round or elliptical or egg shaped anomolies possibly distorted by the monitor ?
these 4 vortices are inside the inscribed square ?

What are they good for in better using magnetic energy ?
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There is a less complicated approach but it is Howard Johnson.
If you don't mind Ken, I am bringing up magnet flipper video.
I think your book is really incredible work.
Reference can be made to publication "Uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism" page 86
The pictures of a dielectric plane (Johnson labels it zero) in both a strong and weak magnet. A helpful distinction.

magnet flipper video:
There are 4 vortices that lead somewhere ?
This video trys to explains an opinion by Howard Johnson in simple terms.
Here is the point trying to be made by Magnet flipper and raises question why has science not taught this ?
Howard Johnson makes this statement:

" Here is really what the magnetic particles look like !! "

The diagram shows a line perpendicular to the pole N and S that is labeled zero and
is there are width measurements indicated and 4 vortices; north has 1 CW and 1 CCW and the south has same.

Later in video he shows the N S flux is spinning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A
Nice video Mikrovolt,

There are absolutely NO FOUR (4) Vortexes on a Magnetic Field, Each Polarized End have a Main ONE (1) Spiral.

Like when He does the first part of video on Color Monitor...This below is what actually we are observing:

[IMG][/IMG]

[IMG][/IMG]

So, what happens is that Color CRT Screen serves as a splitting surface that cuts a SINGLE VORTEX in TWO(2) Parts, so it looks like two vortexes, but they are absolutely NOT!

A closer approach (right On) he shows with a Single Electron Beam TV (B&W):

At minute 2:51 He is actually showing the North Pole which when projected against a B&W TV it shows CCW Spin, on a SINGLE VORTEX/SPIRAL.

At minute 3:00 He shows CW Spin which is the South Pole.

Once he loads more magnets the image gets distorted...lots of magnetic strength for the Electron Beam Vector of force...so it goes crazy and makes that Black Hole on screen...however, still sees the rotation sense clearly.

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What about the width of the bloch wall ?
the round or elliptical or egg shaped anomolies possibly distorted by the monitor ?
these 4 vortices are inside the inscribed square ?
We are trying to view a Three Dimensional Field with a Flat 2D Screen...so a lot of distortions are going to take place...while a lot of "artifacts" will merge as wrong imaging.

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What are they good for in better using magnetic energy ?
The understanding of the REAL MAGNETIC FIELD will lead Us all to horizons we never, ever expected to walk through, my friend...NOT only Free Energy, MPM, Gravity Control...BUT, Healing ourselves...fixing our DNA...Repairing Terminal Diseases/Sickness in every Biological entity...we can ever think off...

Other words...Paradise on Earth..."Tomorrow's Land..."

Hang on am making a video where it shows the real MAGNETISM PARTICLE DYNAMICS...


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The aether is a concept. what is 0 if aether is everything??? that is nothing, like, you know? what, is 0? i mean then? there isnt one. unless then you gotta have big bang black holesand that concepts, but.. or you know retarded ideas, but,
if you say aether is a concept and odesnt explain this, great.
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Harold Johnson's diagram depicting a width of what he calls zero possibly means that
the dynamic nature of that zone is variable with respect to the boundry or square.
This is to help us to see that calculating this uses probability. The self centering
as the temperature decreases eventually changes the resistance and pinning seen in
superconductors.

The anomalies do exist and have been repeated so that there is a basis to
investigate them as artifacts. They do not have to be magnetic but are an entity
of what we call magnetic.

The rigid wire model having only two ports is insufficient at this level.
The artifacts can reside outside the glass when the magnet is present
just as a residue when water evaporates.
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(2) Dark matter is exactly like the aether. The inferences are unsound because the assumptions are unwarranted, and
we are waiting for the discovery of a new fundamental principle of physics, a new annus mirabilis from a new Einstein if you like,
to tell us what that new, previously unknown, principle is.

My money is on (2), because for all of the elegance and explanatory power
of the standard model (at large scales) and quantum mechanics (at small scales), we can be absolutely certain about one thing.
They are wrong (or at least incomplete) in at least one particular. How can I be so sure?
Easy, because even the most ardent supporters of the theories admit that certain of their conclusions are currently irreconcilable.
This means that one is wrong or the other is correct or they are both wrong. As a matter of simple logic, they cannot both be correct.

Is Dark Matter the 21st Century Aether?


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Aether is a concept. or you dont know what, a concept is? like the definition.
Dark matter is a lie. you win the big lie spammer award in this topic. unless ken comes back.
..why the big reverse in the thread for. who cares about dark matter thoughtwe wanted to talk about how magnets, pull things. right the only thing about them we dont get? or push?

anywayyy me trying to make sense here made me realize the whole concept heree. Dark matters only ****ing thing that matters about it, is it argues about push which is something that they cant come up with why it happens. screw dark matter retarded crap, you think things are floating out there?
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“In our new study, we obtained for the first time a direct observational proof of the presence of dark matter in the innermost part of the Milky Way,” co-author Miguel Pato from Stockholm University explained in a press release. “We have created the most complete compilation so far of published measurements of the motion of gas and stars in the Milky Way, and compared the measured rotation speed with that expected under the assumption that only luminous matter exists in the Galaxy. The observed rotation cannot be explained unless large amounts of dark matter exist around us, and between us and the Galactic centre.”

Prior research has found evidence of dark matter in the outer reaches of the galaxy, but this is the first to report it from the inner region. Because dark matter does not interact with light or radiation at all, it cannot be seen, and therefore must be observed indirectly. This can primarily be done by watching the effects of gravity acting on ordinary matter, such as the rotation of gas and stars within a galaxy. Detecting dark matter is easier to do on the outer fringes of the Milky Way, but it becomes difficult to see these effects on the inner galaxy because of our proximal vantage point and high mass density.

Researchers Claim To Have Found Evidence of Dark Matter In Inner Milky Way | IFLScience

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Thanks UFO!

I really appreciate the work you've put in to make it possible to give a visual understanding of the aether flows in magnetism, it's helped me to get a much better grasp on the theory. Keep up the great work!
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Your lyign and making stuff up that isnt there.

draw it and i already PLAIN AS DAY SHOWED YOU GUYS but too STUPID.

it doesnt matter anyway its not me its you guys. making me absoilutely sick. get off this forum.

youve proven nothing your movies dumb.

your wasting time just like, black holes and warped space, dark matter wastes everyones time. when you have no arguements against me you bring up time wasting topics like that dumb movie up there, that dark oooh ghosts and apparitions energy video.

you guys are believing in religion and saying your seeing things. THis topic is ****ed up. i told you guys plain as day nose on your face, ken wheeler had a analog version of that in his hands in a video and it locks in on itself. you guys are trying to claim an infinite sign is free energy or how a magnet works.
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everywhich way you follow that line your model is broke, all over.
and you dont need movies either why dont you debunk me on the model the actual real life model he had that one time? huh? instead of these fake users and you still going on on a fake model.
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Ken Wheeler, thank you sir for the time and dedication you put forth in search for a deeper and more correct understanding of magnetism!!! Ive watched all your vids and read most of the 4th edition and my head fell right off my shoulders lol.

Id like to continue the discussion with some observations, thoughts, and questions. UFO, maybe you can chime in, Ive ready many of your posts, you're brilliant!

Ive done some testing using the ferrocell for a deeper understanding of magnetism and Ive been stuck on a thought. Photo below shows a cube magnet under a ferrocell, notice either points of inverse spin.

Photo Apr 06, 11 00 26 PM.jpg

Now see pic below of iron dust over a bar magnet. Notice the field lines and the difference from the above pic, they are 90 degrees apart from each other. Looks to me more like a representation of the dielectric field in the iron dust.

Photo Apr 06, 11 01 18 PM.jpg

Now, see pic below of the electric field. Its understood the red lines below represent the magnetic field and the blue lines the dielectric field. The magnetic field is trying to pull apart the blue spheres (conductors) and the dielectric field is trying to pull them together.

Photo Apr 07, 1 59 52 AM.jpg

So here's where Im stuck. Ken, you say if you draw a line from left to right in the pic of the electric field that will be the dielectric inertial plane. However, I see the dielectric plane drawn from top to bottom separating the conductors (blue spheres) of inverse spin ie the poles. Whats going on here???

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Ken Wheeler, thank you sir for the time and dedication you put forth in search for a deeper and more correct understanding of magnetism!!! Ive watched all your vids and read most of the 4th edition and my head fell right off my shoulders lol.

Id like to continue the discussion with some observations, thoughts, and questions. UFO, maybe you can chime in, Ive ready many of your posts, you're brilliant!

Ive done some testing using the ferrocell for a deeper understanding of magnetism and Ive been stuck on a thought. Photo below shows a cube magnet under a ferrocell, notice either points of inverse spin.

[IMG][/IMG]
Hello Guy, and thanks for your kind words.

Now let's start by first image above, a cube magnet under a Ferrocell.
You've got it right as your interpretation, and below is the Dielectric Plane in green as the two polarization holes:

[IMG][/IMG]

One hint about looking at magnetic fields through ferrocell lens...

First, you have to realize you are looking at a 3D Spherical Volume of the magnetic fields, while the lens are completely flat...so, if the magnet is too close to the lens you will be seeing only fragments of the optical intersection between a 2D Plane (your ferrocell lens) and the spherical lines of the magnetic field vortexes-spirals...and a lot of distortion would occur at the closer lines to the lens.
Here it all has to do with the LED Ring lighting the fields and the positioning of a separate lens until you could see the spherical volume in Focus at the proper distance.

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Now see pic below of iron dust over a bar magnet. Notice the field lines and the difference from the above pic, they are 90 degrees apart from each other. Looks to me more like a representation of the dielectric field in the iron dust.

[IMG][/IMG]
Negative about your bold/underlined statement above.

The "Iron Dust" does NOT represent, NOR show Dielectric Field at all.

First off, the Iron Filings/Dust only show "straight lines" (of force I suppose...) just because all this loose, ferromagnetic pieces/fragments are becoming N/S tiny Magnets...therefore, aligning/bridging along the High Pressure lines traveling back and forth from BOTH Magnetic Poles, and not showing any break down center line of the Counterspatial Dielectric Field. Remember that Dielectric Field is in Counterspace, not Space like the iron particles are...

So, this is how it is:

[IMG][/IMG]

Interesting how the cheap Magnetic Viewing Film DOES depict the Dielectric Field in any magnet:

[IMG][/IMG]

The Red Rectangle depicts the square magnet contour, and poles are above and below.


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Now, see pic below of the electric field. Its understood the red lines below represent the magnetic field and the blue lines the dielectric field. The magnetic field is trying to pull apart the blue spheres (conductors) and the dielectric field is trying to pull them together.

[IMG][/IMG]

So here's where Im stuck. Ken, you say if you draw a line from left to right in the pic of the electric field that will be the dielectric inertial plane. However, I see the dielectric plane drawn from top to bottom separating the conductors (blue spheres) of inverse spin ie the poles. Whats going on here???

Respectfully,
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Here Guy, you are mixing/confusing as one, the Electric Poles with the Magnetic Poles...based on your bold/underlined statement above. Completely different deal, actually apart by 90º...

Maybe this image below will clear the way you are looking at your AC image above:

[IMG][/IMG]

So, this way we have a Sectioned Ring conducting AC Current...and the X-Sections would be the Blue Dots, or the conductors cross section, points.
And ONLY the Magnetic Field red lines is shown above.

The same exact thing happens when we have any kind of Coil, a Solenoid ...will depict the electric field Plane running with the electricity flowing through the coil ring wires plane...while projecting the magnetic field 90º apart.

I could get into the difference between AC and DC Rings...but don't want to confuse you on that part now.

Hope this will help you to see it clear.


By the way, did you watch my latest Video above?


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Your lyign and making stuff up that isnt there.

draw it and i already PLAIN AS DAY SHOWED YOU GUYS but too STUPID.

it doesnt matter anyway its not me its you guys. making me absoilutely sick. get off this forum.

youve proven nothing your movies dumb.

your wasting time just like, black holes and warped space, dark matter wastes everyones time. when you have no arguements against me you bring up time wasting topics like that dumb movie up there, that dark oooh ghosts and apparitions energy video.

you guys are believing in religion and saying your seeing things. THis topic is ****ed up. i told you guys plain as day nose on your face, ken wheeler had a analog version of that in his hands in a video and it locks in on itself. you guys are trying to claim an infinite sign is free energy or how a magnet works.
@Idrancer

It is fine to disagree with what people post within this thread (or other threads) but you do so in a manner which is quite annoying and rather insulting.

If you disagree with a theory presented or suggested, okay fine but clearly explain why you disagree with it (technically) and more importantly then clearly explain what you actually believe the correct theory or model is. (Technically)… (Or provide the link as to where you’ve said or shown it previously).

You seem to be highly strung… It does no good whatsoever whinging, calling people slaves, stupid, time wasters, liars, or other unnecessary insults etc., etc… (Look at your post history)!

Your pessimistic rants become very tiresome and I’ve thought about putting you on an ignore list (not that I’ve felt inclined to put anyone on such a list before, except you). However just for the slight amusement factor I derive from your rant’s, I’ll leave it be for now…

Let see if you can provide some useful, clear and intelligent information to support what you’re trying to say, for or against a particular model or theory. Otherwise just stay out of it please.
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how is it insulting to you to show you a physical object and tell you see your model doesnt function.

whatever i aint got time for this. heres 3 stills from a movie that makes no claims as you do, you pretty much claim to know how the sun works. heres someone who doesnt do that and uses workign models to explain it and leaves me asking no questions.

your drawing a 3d object and saying its real. 3d is pyhsical. you havent made a workign model of what you claim.

it has to do with drawing a infinity sign. you have to know how to draw them.

Lets argue over that one huh/ isnt it just letter 8 turned sideways? see your claim this theory, your pretty much claiming an infinity sign you draw, is real infinity. Actual infinity. its no more than a number 8 turned on its side. a 2d object. like your theory. working would be 3d.

here are the 3 pics from this movie about dark energy. actualy its called What really is dark matter? bill gaede

ok, pic 1

simple 2d and it is a galaxy and you cant argue that thats a real actual object. the lines drawn across it are from teh rope hypothesis. connecting every atom of everything to every atom of everything else, via ropes. this is an arguement against what they say in dark matter, that mass connects the seperate parts together. They claim dark energy and figments, keep the galaxy from spiraling in on itself.

they claim black holes spit out jets of energy out of the middle of them.
well, according to the video, thats the magnetic lines of force coming out of the center of the wheel, the middle of the galaxy,
pic 2

a 2d model isnt that? you understnad that this can be understood without any problems if you take and cut this down to 2d? you cant claim 3d objects on a theory like you guys do without proving it with a model. what you claim is impossible.

ok take the 2 pictures, and between the 2 pictures while i was watchign the movie and thinking about this, this scene came up, and kind of gives me an idea you know kinda about this.. pic 3


put them together. take the 2 object,s and add tehm to theirselves. i dont know.

and high strung?, what? ive asked wheeler question and question and never got one answer from him on anything. he spams to me his, book, or website. this forums msging isnt enough for him to talk to anyone? anybody smart can explain their theory, and would accept critissm. id hate to be wrong and continue doing what ever im doing.

my arguemtn comes down pretty much to the infinity symbol. its a 2d object, but its just a number 8 on its side. when did a 8 on its side become infinity. ok so, what does an 8 on its side, signify of infinity? thats what sign means, to signify, how does, then an 8 on its side, whe i heard of it i didnt really believe all this, signify .. infinity? what relates? nothing at all whatsoever they want you to look, at 2d wirting and symbols as a 3d object. i see it as the same thing your trying to do and explain and not explain on this theory.

bam boom thats all. mwaahahaha
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Can you please give us the source for this image? Thanks.

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&#8734 followed by a semicolon is the symbol called lemniscate, ∞. It is used to denote the term infinity in math and writing. Member ldrancer calls it a sideways 8. The concept of ∞ appears to give fits to him. Perhaps it is because he can visualize 8 representing eight when he has experienced in 3d (real life) eight objects, such as eight apples. Whereas he, nor anyone, has experienced infinity. So what then does ∞ mean?

People just have to use their imagination. Similar is the concept of magnetism, and gravity, and other phenomena which we can only study the effects and not directly see the cause or mechanism or field. So people develop theories about this stuff. Some theories are useful; some are not. Ufo and Ken have their way of looking at ∞ and I, and you can see it differently. We can then discuss it here in a civil manner.

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&#8734 So what then does ∞ mean?

People just have to use their imagination. Similar is the concept of magnetism, and gravity, and other phenomena which we can only study the effects and not directly see the cause or mechanism or field. So people develop theories about this stuff. Some theories are useful; some are not. Ufo and Ken have their way of looking at ∞ and I, and you can see it differently. We can then discuss it here in a civil manner.

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Religion is what you describe and why i dont participate and since you want to just believe what you are complaining abuot why not discuss black holes, 0 sized particles, dark matter, wait you already have been when i been commenting in this topic. to argue with me with. you guys cant come up with a normal, answer to me.
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People just have to use their imagination. Similar is the concept of magnetism, and gravity, and other phenomena which we can only study the effects and not directly see the cause or mechanism or field. So people develop theories about this stuff. Some theories are useful; some are not. Ufo and Ken have their way of looking at ∞ and I, and you can see it differently. We can then discuss it here in a civil manner.

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For over 200 years "plus" the study of the Magnetic Field Model have been Constrained on throwing some cheap iron filings or ferromagnetic dust to the fields...Everyone knows iron is completely influenced by magnetic fields, iron "molds" its shape based on links that would also take place if we add some magnetic dust over a field, nothing more have been researched about it on the "Official Gazette of Classic Science"...isn't this called DOGMA?

Science Development is all about looking for different methods to observe a phenomena, and not by keeping the same old method for such a long time...new materials, new tools, new equipment has been developed over the years that allow us to see within the invisibility of a Magnetic Field.

Afterwards, the basic Classic Model have lead us all to design generator machines which must face the opposition of reverse flow currents, or Lenz Law...however, we kept using this obsolete model, no matter what...

Is this Scientific Development?

I definitively do not think so...but time will tell...


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Religion is what you describe and why i dont participate and since you want to just believe what you are complaining abuot why not discuss black holes, 0 sized particles, dark matter, wait you already have been when i been commenting in this topic. to argue with me with. you guys cant come up with a normal, answer to me.
If you've been following my discussions with Ufo you will notice that I disagree with his theories in most cases. I try to do so in a polite and intelligent way staying on-topic. I have read most of your posts on these magnetic threads and find them difficult to understand. At least the most recent posts are without the insults. Thank you. Is English your native language?

I suspect you'd be more likely to get an answer if you were to post an on-topic question clearly stated and short of "What is magnetism?" or "What is God?".

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Afterwards, the basic Classic Model have lead us all to design generator machines which must face the opposition of reverse flow currents, or Lenz Law...however, we kept using this obsolete model, no matter what...
Hi Ufo,

Did you ever notice that to do useful work you have to overcome an opposing force? That's all Lenz describes. And the model is old, not obsolete. It is valid and works. Something I have yet to see your theories produce; a model usable to calculate forces, currents, voltage, etc.

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Did you ever notice that to do useful work you have to overcome an opposing force?
WOW, that was brilliant Bistander!...you know, never thought of that...

However, NOT when that opposing force is about the same strength of the applied one...otherwise no "useful" work would ever be achieved...right?

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That's all Lenz describes.
Exactly, ...and as I wrote above, Lenz magnitude is THE SAME as the one we apply trying to generate an EMF, but negative...So, definitively if we only had that right magnetic model from the beginning, there would be many ways to "bypass" that opposed force. And don't interpret this the wrong way ...Lenz exists, but we can obtain an EMF while Lenz Vector of force manifests in a completely different path/angle than our applied force/movement, therefore it would not affect directly.


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Sorry, old...it would be obsolete soon...I was talking about the future...

I will bring in that(those) Model(s)...soon

Cheers


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However, NOT when that opposing force is about the same strength of the applied one...otherwise no "useful" work would ever be achieved...right?
You got me with that one. Don't know what you mean. Maybe an example would help.
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"Lenz magnitude is THE SAME as the one we apply trying to generate an EMF, but negative...
So, definitively if we only had that right magnetic model from the beginning,
there would be many ways to "bypass" that opposed force
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Lenz exists, but we can obtain an EMF while Lenz Vector of force manifests in a completely different path/angle than our applied force/movement,
therefore it would not affect directly."
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"Lenz magnitude is THE SAME as the one we apply trying to generate an EMF, but negative...
So, definitively if we only had that right magnetic model from the beginning,
there would be many ways to "bypass" that opposed force
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Lenz exists, but we can obtain an EMF while Lenz Vector of force manifests in a completely different path/angle than our applied force/movement,
therefore it would not affect directly."
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Hi aljhoa,

I'm not sure why you quoted Ufo. Please elaborate.

As long as you have brought it up, I noticed that the first two words are somewhat of an oxymoron. Lenz's law is strictly qualitative and says nothing of quantity or magnitude.

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