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Old 10-30-2015, 05:21 PM
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Oh yeah! Simple. Does nothing at all in the circuit.

Any idea what Gans is? Used in the plasma capacitor. See slide 4 of 7.

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Old 10-30-2015, 06:31 PM
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Have you no faith?

GANS Production
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Old 10-30-2015, 08:01 PM
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I am going to try to explain this one more time Before you get to the gans making state, and there are different types of gans depending on the plates you use, you first have to nanocoat your copper plate, or if you are going for the health pen or coils for your car to reduce weight and fuel : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2innQ2kFBjM And yes, the ancients knew how using fire or even roots.

This week most Kfssi knowledge seekers have been watching the Blueprint Week of free teachings and today the Blueprint has been released (video copies can be found here https://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/ ).
Many knowledge seekers worldwide are building their own energy units and to achieve this they are nanocoating their coils and then coating in a mixture of ganses (gans = gas in nano state) and producing 3 sets of coils with inner coils (winding direction is important and I would recommend a couple of videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFaeE_2hNxc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBKFv4X0BO0. This process takes time to do and sometimes a couple of nanocoatings - 1st fully submerged in caustic soda solution then 2nd a steaming, then allowing a couple of days to fully dry out before using multimeter on. Please guys don't ask me tech questions talk to people like Mike Nashif, Richard U-Bique, Alekz and many others who can be found on the FB groups for Keshe Kfssi.
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Old 10-31-2015, 01:33 AM
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He is in Belgium, isn't he?
Gans = goose.

How can you tell Keshe and a goose apart?
The goose makes the more intelligent sound.




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Old 10-31-2015, 02:30 AM
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He is in Belgium, isn't he?
Gans = goose.

How can you tell Keshe and a goose apart?
The goose makes the more intelligent sound.




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Not too many geese have Phd's in nuclear physics for one! All of the heckers gloss over the fact that the man is certainly no fool.

Keshe is also out of Belgium now and operting from Italy. One interesting factoid I got from watching some of the Blueprint videos is that Belgium is the only country that has banned the production of nano-materials. If true, then it's more than a coincldence, particularly since Keshe's 'technology' has always been nano/plasma-based and he has always alleged that it was Belgium that stopped him releasing his generator back in 2011/12 - and the reason he was forced to move to Italy. Any Belgian should be able to refute this claim if untrue. If this is a fact, then maybe it's not something that's being "told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, [but] signifying nothing."

I fully understand why it's not taken seriously though - if based on fact, there is a whole world of engineers whose hard-won educations will be of little use in evaluating this. It must seem more like witchcraft than science to most of them. It does to me anyway! That thought is enough to put anyone off.

The 'Blueprint' videos are really not at all well done though and make painful watching. It's like something that was just thrown together at the last minute.
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Have you no faith?

GANS Production
Hi DavidE,

Thanks to Yvonne Hanna:
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gans = gas in nano state
As for my faith; I'll not be putting any into that scam.

I did notice on the blueprints in 2 places Prayer is specified. Also on a parts list or bill of materials these two things are listed in #6: Patience and Love.

Amazing!

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Something has ratteled the nest of vipers:

The future Belgian register for nanomaterials: challenges ahead for the nanotechnology community:
The future Belgian register for nanomaterials: challenges ahead for the nanotechnology community
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Not too many geese have Phd's in nuclear physics for one! All of the heckers gloss over the fact that the man is certainly no fool.
Though I doubt if Keshe does indeed has a Phd in nuclear physics, I must admit that he is certainly no fool. For no fool could make others believe in him while spreading utter nonsense.

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I fully understand why it's not taken seriously though - if based on fact, there is a whole world of engineers whose hard-won educations will be of little use in evaluating this. It must seem more like witchcraft than science to most of them. It does to me anyway! That thought is enough to put anyone off.
Just wondering... what he says looks more like witchcraft than science to you.
But how about you?
Are you one of his believers? And why?
Do you have some strange urge to believe what is so obviously not true?
You say "That thought is enough to put anyone off."
Anyone, but not you?
Is it some rebellious notion that makes you a believer?

Just curious... very much so, in fact.

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Old 10-31-2015, 11:52 AM
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Why not be open to the possibilities? The Keshe offer is being made to all at no cost. You can build and test his device for very few dollars.

I have all my own doubts after following this discourse for years... but... there is enough in the blueprint to determine the truth for yourself.
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I am delighted that everyone is questioning this. I believe in questioning everything and seeing everyone's results and I am in the lucky position of seeing most of the knowledge seekers' results and my own, so my own personal comment is that they are v. interesting.

Mr. Keshe does not have an easy way in the very long workshops of putting the information across to achieve instant understanding and a lot of people would put everything down to fantasy. Perhaps this and a couple of more recent videos from recently will help. I really like Dan Winter's suggestions on Mr. Keshe reading Tom Beardon although I am not convinced with Dan Winter's explanation of our history Golden Ratio Fractality:Pure Implosive Self Organization Also, I like Winter's group working with Antoine Priore's units to help people heal.

Now, there is a whole new group of people worldwide who are picking up on this technology.
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Just wondering... what he says looks more like witchcraft than science to you.
But how about you?
Are you one of his believers? And why?
Do you have some strange urge to believe what is so obviously not true?
You say "That thought is enough to put anyone off."
Anyone, but not you?
Is it some rebellious notion that makes you a believer?

Just curious... very much so, in fact.

Ernst.
I was as clear-as-crystal about what I believe in what I wrote - the fact that you are seeking 'clarification' of my beliefs is strange.

But it's equally curious (and surprising) that you feel the need to try and personalise this, while ignoring or glossing over all of the other data-points I mentioned. That is usually the response of someone that either feels threatened, or is just out to debunk.

The fact that it has now been confirmed that Belgium has indeed banned the open-production of nano-materials - and is the only counrty to have done so! - now has me sitting up & taking notice! That link about this that MasterBlaster supplied is also now dead, which only adds to the intrigue! So, I will follow this with interest.
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Old 10-31-2015, 04:06 PM
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I can't help but wonder if Keshe is exposing something that the mainstream scientific establishment has opted to keep under wraps, at its highest levels. The mainstream establishment's silence about Keshe's disclosures is very strange, in my opinion.

I would argue that perhaps we need to revisit some enigmatic inventions of the past and reconsider how they might actually be operating - in light of Keshe's disclosure of the principles at work in his Magrav technology.

The Magrav coils need to have nano coating in order to draw energy from the ambient. This issue of coating as a condition for negative resistance brings to mind a number of exotic "technologies" that I have followed over the years. While not nano-coating, the issue of coating seems nonetheless crucial to their functioning:

- Lead-acid batteries with Bedini-type systems: sulfate crystals coating on lead plates has been referred to as a "catalytic layer" which enables the battery to act as an antenna of sorts, to draw charge in from the ambient.

- Joe Cell coating: the process of passivating and formation of a white coating on the JC seems to improve its ability to draw in energy from the ambient.

- Stubblefield Battery: The Fe03 (rust) coating on iron wires in the SB has been claimed by some to have played an important role in its ability to deliver useable charge. This has been verified by research, most prominently by EEs in India, investigating the role of multiferroics in electrical charge generation.

Keshe's coil-within-a-coil arrangement in his Magrav units also has some interesting parallels in prior inventions:

- Daniel McFarland Cook's EM "Battery": http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Inventors/Dan...CookPatent.pdf

- Alfred Hubbard's Atmospheric Power Generator: Though not exactly the same as Cook or Keshe's setup, it might still be worthy of reconsideration in light of the principles Keshe elaborates. Hubbard Coil

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Old 10-31-2015, 04:12 PM
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I am delighted that everyone is questioning this. I believe in questioning everything and seeing everyone's results and I am in the lucky position of seeing most of the knowledge seekers' results and my own, so my own personal comment is that they are v. interesting.

Mr. Keshe does not have an easy way in the very long workshops of putting the information across to achieve instant understanding and a lot of people would put everything down to fantasy. Perhaps this and a couple of more recent videos from recently will help. I really like Dan Winter's suggestions on Mr. Keshe reading Tom Beardon although I am not convinced with Dan Winter's explanation of our history Golden Ratio Fractality:Pure Implosive Self Organization Also, I like Winter's group working with Antoine Priore's units to help people heal.

Now, there is a whole new group of people worldwide who are picking up on this technology.
I was browsing through the Keshe foundation's forum looking for information about the production of 'GANS' and was surprised to find that even the people there were completely confused about it!

In my opinion, recommending Tom Beardon material is also a mistake. I bought one of his/their books and still recall my disgust after wading through pages of relatively simple circuitry, at being informed that to make what had just been discussed functional, one needed to build a special capacitor. For this no instructions were given, only that it was very difficult to do! I also could never trust someone who would patent a device (MEG) then waffle on about how they were impossible to mass-produce, all the time holding the patents that prevent anyone else from trying to commercialise it. He always seemed more part of the problem that part of the solution to me.
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I can't help but wonder if Keshe is exposing something that the mainstream scientific establishment has opted to keep under wraps, at its highest levels. The mainstream establishment's silence about Keshe's disclosures is very strange, in my opinion.
I disagree. One has only to look at the indifference that mainstream media has shown towards Rossi. There we have 3-party tests as well as multiple confirmatory reports from around the world regarding LENR. With Keshe, fo far, absolutely no proof that this plasma-technology is real has been made public. So no surprise (imo) that he has received no media attention. Also remember, 'they' only close you down when you provide undeniable proof (ask 'TinMan') - so maybe Keshe is just a good poker-player.
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Belief and faith in order to acknowledge the possibility of what's supposed to be a scientific process?

I think you have missed something.
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I disagree. One has only to look at the indifference that mainstream media has shown towards Rossi. There we have 3-party tests as well as multiple confirmatory reports from around the world regarding LENR. With Keshe, fo far, absolutely no proof that this plasma-technology is real has been made public. So no surprise (imo) that he has received no media attention. Also remember, 'they' only close you down when you provide undeniable proof (ask 'TinMan') - so maybe Keshe is just a good poker-player.
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I don't disagree with you on what's happening. To be truthful, I find it quite odd. Perhaps it is a case of ignoring the matter. In any event, like the song says, "Vamos a ver, quien tiene la razon" (We shall see who's right):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izP0...etailpage#t=17
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It's interesting that some will completely deny the possibility because of the lack of understanding, some will rush in without any understanding in hopes of the holy grail, then there are those few that out of curiosity will build, learn and understand it, finding the real truth for themselves. It may or may not work but there is always something to be learned that can be used later.

I find the plasma capacitors very curious so it seems a good place to start at this simple level which will require the same procedures for the larger coils.

When the coils are blackened by caustic, the black is actually a magnetite nano layer which makes the coils mildly magnetic - could that make them more susceptible to magnetic activity? - quite interesting I thought... So what do the other layers represent? Could these form a PN junction? If there were any or all electromagnetic activity present could it be forced to flow in one direction? Toward the copper maybe..?

As far as making the gans, if you know how to make a galvanic battery then you know how to make gans. copper oxide gans is made when you add a charge, CO2 gans is caused by depleting the charge.

I don't know about anyone else but I find the whole process quite interesting....
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It is interesting that his coils are Phi ratio proportioned.
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Something has ratteled the nest of vipers:

The future Belgian register for nanomaterials: challenges ahead for the nanotechnology community:
The future Belgian register for nanomaterials: challenges ahead for the nanotechnology community
Two comments regarding nanomaterials:

-- Belgium and other EU countries are trying to control nanoparticles in soaps in toothpaste since they end up in the water supply and cannot be filtered out. These regulations are not a government conspiracy to control Keshe Foundation research.

-- The Keshe "nanocoat" is a simple chemical reaction between copper and potassium hydroxide (KOH). This reaction creates a smooth black (CuOH) compound on the copper wire, not nanoparticles.

So, it is not clear why Keshe claims he has been exiled to Italy.
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Interesting comments about the so-called nanoparticles. I remember a researcher coating his SS tubes with the soot from a butane torch, and finding that the blackened tubes were acting as negative resistors. He had the video up on YT back in 2007 or 2008, but it was taken down. Maybe the truth is much less esoteric than some would claim.
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I was as clear-as-crystal about what I believe in what I wrote - the fact that you are seeking 'clarification' of my beliefs is strange.

But it's equally curious (and surprising) that you feel the need to try and personalise this, while ignoring or glossing over all of the other data-points I mentioned. That is usually the response of someone that either feels threatened, or is just out to debunk.
I see you feel attacked....
That is not necessary. I think I understand what you believe, no clarification needed.
I was just wondering why or how it is possible to believe something that is so obviously not true.
The things he says make no sense whatsoever.
His experiments are a joke and I doubt if they can even trick children.
His explanations of his experiments are absurd, and there are perfectly logical other explanations (which you learn in or before high-school).
So that is why I wonder why.
Why do I personalize this? Because you seem to see that it can not be true, yet you do (wish to?) believe. That sets you apart from people who are completely ignorant and would believe any story no matter how ridiculous.
But I have no intention to attack you in any way so perhaps it is best to just leave it there.

BTW nano-particles are not banned in Belgium. Neither is the use of these. There is just a register being set up for companies that manufacture or use these. And Belgium is NOT the only country in the world that has done so. Or at least this is what I read in the link provided. I have no idea why Belgium has decided to do so, but my best guess is the use of these in explosives (including nano thermite...). There is quite an extensive list of industries where registration is not required. You link this to Keshe. But I do not.
I see a general tendency in the world to scare people completely unnecessarily. All this terrorist stories, increased police checks everywhere, ridiculous new regulations for carry-on luggage in air-planes, climate change... etc. etc. So I view this Belgium act in that light and completely unrelated to Keshe's activity/existence.


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Two comments regarding nanomaterials:

-- Belgium and other EU countries are trying to control nanoparticles in soaps in toothpaste since they end up in the water supply and cannot be filtered out. These regulations are not a government conspiracy to control Keshe Foundation research.
Below is a quote from an article from as early as 2013 that confirms this, so Keshe is at best uninformed. It's a little hypocritical though that they should feign concern over what's in toothpaste, given they've been lacing it with deadly fluoride for decades! Even the American Dental Association (one of its strongest advocates) sheepishly admitted over a decade ago that it provides no dental-health benefits.

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Earlier this year, the European Commission made recommendations to make its chemical regulations more relevant to nano-materials and in March, the British government established a nano-technology forum to discuss how to proceed safely with the new technology. France announced at a conference on European regulation of nano-materials late last year that it would bring in regulation of nano-materials in this month. Denmark already has regulation and Sweden has proposed it.
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Cavemen probably believed in numerous weird things that have been disproven a long time ago.
Same goes for people from the middle-ages.
I would like to believe that there is some progress in the development of mankind, and looking at our technology there does seem to be.
Yet sometimes my hopes are shattered.
I see people talking about flat earth theories as if it actually makes sense to discuss those.
People talking about counter-space....
And then of course there is this Keshe loony.
Start making your first coil during a full moon. Pray before you start making the coils, send good intentions to it and while your at it, draw a pentacle on the floor and light candles in each corner, invoke an arch angle of your liking and ask him (politely and with good intentions) to bless your magrav. And remember to cover the magrav with bat-wings when venus aligns with mars or the nano particles will invoke a plasma demon from the zero-point dark-universe, and that may render your magrav useless.

What went wrong that people even pay attention to this?
Any serious discussion on any of Keshes experiments, theories, promises etc. is an insult to both your intelligence and the intelligence of the person you are addressing.

What am I doing here anyway?

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Just because someone is a whack job who believes he has been possessed by evil spirits and is being chased by angles with fiery swords does NOT mean he hasn't stumbled upon something that actually works. (I say this in general...not in respect to Keshe) The FOCUS and the DEBATE here should be about the technology and whether or not it is viable, not about the individual. I have no idea if this is viable, and I do appreciate the warnings that people are probably wasting their time here. But all that has been made clear a NUMBER of times in regard to Keshe. Is it possible to put that all aside and let those who choose to try and replicate go forward without being told every second how stupid they are for following this path? If there's ONE thing I have learned over the last 60 odd years it's that NO research is without merit. We learn things we never expected to learn. Perhaps someone on this path may learn something that benefits the rest of us. Why make their journey down it more difficult?? The warning signs have been clearly posted. If they choose to go around them, they are either great explorers or fools. Who are WE to say which? There's no need to jump on them with both feet. Or is there?
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I'll shut up.


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Nasa image ampflication;



Fighting closed loop magnetic field (aswell).

Double tesla coil arrangemant CCW and CW also fighting.

Mightbe tryable, create small unit of regular ? insulated wire-> oscilloscope fairly low voltage.
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Why?

Why would a man assemble a team of people to introduce a series of new technologies worldwide that didn't work?

Why would a man establish specific Patents and then allow anyone to develop devices based on this proprietary technology?

Why would a man broadcast training classes worldwide as to steps to construct devices and to better understand the operation if there was no substance to the effort?

Why would a man give professionally constructed devices to 1,000 world leaders, if they didn't perform a useful function?

Why would a man make such extraordinary claims in so many areas if he didn't believe he could deliver?

Either this man is stark raving mad, or he is so far advanced from most, that it will take time to embrace these new visions for what they could be.

The largest space of innovative possibilities, first exist in the realm of the counter-intuitive.

Notice I posted the information so that each could discover the truth for themselves. Hundreds of thousands of others worldwide are following the same path...

I find it beyond belief that any one man would take so much risk, if there wasn't some offer of substance... at the heart of the matter.
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