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Why you have to shoot it down in the first place? I thought he needs to prove it first and then you can try and confirm or duplicate it.
Shame...Really is a waste of money and time .................................................. ...
Yes we should try the nano tech work it will teach us something besides
the fact that some wacko is trying to drain out bank account so it is
$500 lighter for something that doesn't work. Try yes and we will.

The right man could sell lightening to the unwitting. We are dealing with
more than technology here, we are dealing with the spirits that control
men's minds til they would lie cheat, steal without conscience.







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Just a short note on Ring & Car.................

When was the last time you collected some sticks and stones and put them in your pocket????
Does this sound even remotely convincing to anyone?


Well, they do fit in this thread....


Ernst.
I believe you are right once again. The freako's you mentioned including
Keshe are all pea's in the same pod. Mentally operated (Telepathy) UFO
craft from technology so simple yet powerful we will find ourselves stepping
over and back out of what looks like to me "The twilight zone"

It is a place beyond sight and sound or reason a place where
boundaries are gone where a person might find themselves taking flight
without ever knowing it.

Yeah, ahuh! Sure right, sure thing, yeah!

If that's true I'll order a case of them if it works.
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So, you are saying, this way of measuring, at the Keshe foundation SSI itself, is wrong?


The device is sold with the promise "that is able to power your home, and produce electricity for the grid". But better not use the same way of measurement the electric bill is measured. Now that makes perfect sense!
Cool yourself or put the brake and try to understand things from the inside. Trying to see and understand only what you were educated, is not an evidence of too much wisdom.

My advice for you is to study the proprieties of grafene and fullerene, then read the plasma theory of Mr. Keshe, make at least a single nano-coat of a copper wire or coil using Mr. Keshe method, and do some measurements on these nano layers using the current electromagnetic theory and its particle-wave electron based meters, and deepen your attention to the weird things not to the common well known things.

Yes that's the right setup but the details are the general problem of this society of consume, which puts price on tag and on the pack and not on the content. This device learn the needs of consume, and adapt itself in time to higher consumption. So the results will appear only after about one month of gradually increase the load, when the input power meter will stop registering new electrical power consumed. Of course if it in the correct way built, not as I see now all over the internet, where people in their hurry for free energy make everything wrong (nano-coat and gans), not understanding the concept of free energy is wrong and puts them on the crazy roads.

Now is not here the place to explain about the kinds of electrical power (active and reactive), but what you should understand is this device doesn't have a direct, galvanic connection to the grid and it is not electron based but plasma based. More will come by your own studies, if I managed to heat you up stronger than you were before.
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Cool yourself or put the brake ............

My advice for you is to study the proprieties of grafene and fullerene, then read the plasma theory of Mr. Keshe, make at least a single nano-coat of a copper wire or coil using Mr. Keshe method, and do some measurements on these nano layers using the current electromagnetic theory and its particle-wave electron based meters....

This device learn the needs of consume, and adapt itself in time to higher consumption. So the results will appear only after about one month of gradually increase the load, when the input power meter will stop registering new electrical power consumed.
Yes I agree. This man says it works after only 15 days and he did things
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skip between 8min25" and 28 min

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Cool yourself or put the brake and try to understand things from the inside. Trying to see and understand only what you were educated, is not an evidence of too much wisdom.

My advice for you is to study the proprieties of grafene and fullerene, then read the plasma theory of Mr. Keshe, make at least a single nano-coat of a copper wire or coil using Mr. Keshe method, and do some measurements on these nano layers using the current electromagnetic theory and its particle-wave electron based meters, and deepen your attention to the weird things not to the common well known things.

Yes that's the right setup but the details are the general problem of this society of consume, which puts price on tag and on the pack and not on the content. This device learn the needs of consume, and adapt itself in time to higher consumption. So the results will appear only after about one month of gradually increase the load, when the input power meter will stop registering new electrical power consumed. Of course if it in the correct way built, not as I see now all over the internet, where people in their hurry for free energy make everything wrong (nano-coat and gans), not understanding the concept of free energy is wrong and puts them on the crazy roads.

Now is not here the place to explain about the kinds of electrical power (active and reactive), but what you should understand is this device doesn't have a direct, galvanic connection to the grid and it is not electron based but plasma based. More will come by your own studies, if I managed to heat you up stronger than you were before.
Settle down mate. The replicators and their mistakes are not relevant at all. I was referring to the OEM product, which can be yours for 1000+ EURO (you know, a commercial product, to consume, with a price tag), Keshe is the one putting the price tag on the pack, not society. If one is charged for the pack, one would like the content to perform as described.


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So, you are saying, this way of measuring, at the Keshe foundation SSI itself, is wrong?


The device is sold with the promise "that is able to power your home, and produce electricity for the grid". But better not use the same way of measurement the electric bill is measured. Now that makes perfect sense!
Hey Dick,

Did you notice all three meters are connected on the input side of the unit?

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Did you notice all three meters are connected on the input side of the unit?

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bi, Yes I did.

Mick once said, Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

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Settle down mate. The replicators and their mistakes are not relevant at all. I was referring to the OEM product, which can be yours for 1000+ EURO (you know, a commercial product, to consume, with a price tag), Keshe is the one putting the price tag on the pack, not society. If one is charged for the pack, one would like the content to perform as described.


The problem is not the replicators and their successes but the current society education. Those that buy this device think of it as a mechanical/electrical device and expect when they plug in to reduce over night to zero their electrical bill. The device will perform as described but only if are respected the user manual specifications. And as Mr. Keshe said this device will always perform better for guys who build it by themselves. When you will understand why, I'm sure will build one for yourself and will not buy one.
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The problem is not the replicators and their successes but the current society education. Those that buy this device think of it as a mechanical/electrical device and expect when they plug in to reduce over night to zero their electrical bill. The device will perform as described but only if are respected the user manual specifications. And as Mr. Keshe said this device will always perform better for guys who build it by themselves. When you will understand why, I'm sure will build one for yourself and will not buy one.

Hello sadang,

You appear to be an avid supporter. It has been one month since the blueprints were released. That is long enough to properly commission a device. Please show us yours and demonstrate its benefit.

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Dear Magravs-Power Systems Purchasers,

I would like to thank you for purchasing the Magravs-Power Systems (Universal and Car).

Due to the manufacturing process, corrections where needed to improve the efficiency of the systems. We have used knowledge from all our supporters to bring forward the improved product. This has now been perfected and we thank everyone!

These changes have required us to recall the current units in shipment, so that we can offer the latest, updated product, to all our customers.

We have achieved the final point of manufacturing, to bring forward the product that customers are expecting from us, with the efficiency planned from the beginning.

The manufacturers have already started production on the updated systems and we will ship new product out this week. All Magravs-Power Systems (Universal and Car) ordered, will be shipped in December, as the manufacturing capacity increases.

If you have received any units, which might not be performing as designed, please contact through the support page (http://www.keshefoundation. - click on the Support FAQ on the right), so we may re-ship you a new, updated Magravs-Power System.

I apologize for this delay, and want to thank all our supporters for your trust in the Foundation.

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Come on guys, look on the bright side, plenty of people need to
be locked away from society that are in position, Just look at the
USA leadership.

My power levels are dropping just thinking about it.

This guy is doing it right.













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This is an interview of Mehran Keshe is a genius a nuclear engineering
scientist. A madman scientist, they all sound a lot a like.

He is is a raving genius by today's university standard.

Here he is in full color. A graduate of London.

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Religion (Keshe Cult Based Blue Print)

It would appear that I was right all along though I was really
only joking around when I said Keshe was a plant by the people
who researched and directed the "BLUE BEAM PROJECT" or
actually I said "THE ORDER" pretty much the same.

Now I'm absolutely certain, because for 40 years NASA (The Occult Wizards)
have validated the coming of a "second sun" in our skies. There is a
special signature that goes with these "WORLD CONTROLLERS"

(1) We must cleanse the earth (Gans)
(2) We are all gOds (Plasma Beings)
(3) Prepare for cataclysmic, alien invasion status
so we need space ships.

As the new plasma based thinking will progress these same planning
communities are projecting that by the year 2045 all human consciences
will be uploaded to a main frame or A.I. computers.

In case each of you missed the literal interpretation and meaning is
"Complete Extermination" of life on this planet as we know it.

MK Ultra and many other mind control groups have stated in their
patents that no one will escape the nano level infiltration as THEY
merge man with very tiny machines (Nanobots/nanites)that are like a
breathable gas such as "Chemtrails"

All of the old technologies are being upgraded on a weekly basis.

The blue print has not changed since before all of you were born.

You can always tell when people are involved with the ancient Egyptian
mystery religious practices because they are always dumb struck
with the signs of heavenly bodies or planets and stars. Tree
worship is right in there with the zodiac.

Keshe is a false Christ as foretold of old many would come.

Nothing has changed and here is what the ancient text says about it.

Jer 10:...................Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.









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You appear to be an avid supporter. It has been one month since the blueprints were released. That is long enough to properly commission a device. Please show us yours and demonstrate its benefit.

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Hello bi,

Sorry, I can't show the Magrav device because I have not done it. But I'll do maybe in one two, three months. There is no rush! For me is more important to understand and experiment the theory and concepts behind it than to do something immediately.

And I'm not a supporter of someone, but of theories and concepts. I'm a supporter of what I understand.

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Just a short note on Ring & Car (maybe we should open a different thread for them)
Ralph says about his flight in the OTC UFO:
- there was a crystal in the centre with lasers pointing at it
The first (experimental) laser was build in 1960. What year was Ralph talking about?
- the light changed colour continuously
a laser emits monochromatic light.... it will not change one bit.
- after the supposed trip they found sticks and stones in their pocket and later they remembered they had collected these from some far away location.
Now just picture this: a group of people, like you and me, getting out of a UFO to get some sticks and stones and put them in your pockets and go back in the UFO.
When was the last time you collected some sticks and stones and put them in your pocket????
Does this sound even remotely convincing to anyone?



Well, they do fit in this thread....


Ernst.
LSD was very populair in the 60ties.
I did my experimenting and those lights and colors were very beautiful, and you know, later I found things in my pockets and room I couldn't explain. A ride in a street train was like being tele-transported by a white light.
After that I became very down to earth. Started a technical career in the aviation and up to now, haven't seen any UFO on any air show.
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When I started this thread, I made note that I would invest 60 days of my life to really give this "Keshe energy offer" a fair shot, as a possible new reality. That day counter started on 10/30/2015, today is 12/2/2015.

I have communicated with many experimenters and direct with the Keshe Foundation. And unfortunately the closer I get to the integrity of this, the more chaos I experience.

Here is the obvious problem. Extraordinary claims were made. Almost no *evidence has been presented (energy performance gains). Although it appears as though Keshe wishes to push blame on the masses that are building devices - it is his presentation style and countless inconsistencies that have caused this. Rather than blame others, he needs to take responsibility for this.

I will keep my eyes and ears open relative to the Keshe Foundation work - but for now, I only have my 60 day faith pledge to lean on. And without supporting evidence to go beyond this threshold, I will end my support of this thread on 12/30/2015.

*Evidence has been presented as to the power of collective thought. Once harnessed on this planet, no man will ever be alone or without again.

Note: Plasma is the future. The question is which road we use to fold it into our everyday lives.
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When I started this thread, I made note that I would invest 60 days of my life to really give this "Keshe energy offer" a fair shot, as a possible new reality. That day counter started on 10/30/2015, today is 12/2/2015.

I have communicated with many experimenters and direct with the Keshe Foundation. And unfortunately the closer I get to the integrity of this, the more chaos I experience.

Here is the obvious problem. Extraordinary claims were made. Almost no *evidence has been presented (energy performance gains). Although it appears as though Keshe wishes to push blame on the masses that are building devices - it is his presentation style and countless inconsistencies that have caused this. Rather than blame others, he needs to take responsibility for this.

I will keep my eyes and ears open relative to the Keshe Foundation work - but for now, I only have my 60 day faith pledge to lean on. And without supporting evidence to go beyond this threshold, I will end my support of this thread on 12/30/2015.

*Evidence has been presented as to the power of collective thought. Once harnessed on this planet, no man will ever be alone or without again.

Note: Plasma is the future. The question is which road we use to fold it into our everyday lives.
Well said David.

It is sad, the internet memory is very short, and people are (and also want to be) easily fooled, especially in the alternative field.

Keshe has never taken responsibility at all. Never. He's way of presenting is a deliberate strategy, a known and proven strategy also used by politicans. Where words are used in a deliberately confusing or misleading or ambiguous way to avoid true meaning.

His claims go way back. This is a video of the ElektorLive! event back in November 2011, Eindhoven, The Netherlands.

https://youtu.be/fCFO3-MOCYE?t=1h19m52s

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The generator you're paying for is right here.
No... no pictures please.
So, in reality the coils, which you are looking for, what the earth is, is sitting in this structure (paint bucket).
Your generators can be produced within the next 24 hours.
Pardon?... aha have a quick look.
So, we are not talking about something we fantasies... these systems have been build and been tested.
It's just a matter of how governments and authorities are real, to face it, to take it to the next step.
So, what we call a 3KW generator, can be supplied, when you payed for, within a few days.
And here we are again today. Keshe implied with his email to customers, the units of the customers who recieved a Magrav unit, these units do not function. He is buying time. There will be no confirmation of these Keshe manufactured units anytime soon. More delays and excuses WILL come.

It will be interesting times though, due to the blueprint hype - the world peace promise, he never sold this much commercial products. Telling stories is one thing. Scamming consumers is a whole different ballgame, consumers are better protected by law.

Popcorn time
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Here is another example of Keshe providing information about Knowledge Seekers devices.



Why would you post such a video? Am I missing something or is this insane?
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Australia - Breakthrough

Looks Like Roald Boom gave up to soon and has hidden all
of his hard work making it private. Embarrassing.

Endeavor to persevere.

BREAKING NEWS. BREAK THROUGH ATTENTION MAGRAV YUPPIES>

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Just one time I would love for one of the free energy "gurus" to put on a workshop where you paid money for a kit (BIG MONEY even) and the entire workshop was spent doing NOTHING but putting that kit together step by step. At the end of the workshop everyone there should have a working free energy device that they can test with meters or scopes they bring to the workshop, and walk away with that MEETS the criteria advertised for the workshop, like "Come to our workshop and build a COP>2 device" (for example) or their money is all refunded. Now THAT would be a workshop worth attending. I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat. And I believe there are a couple folks right now who are MORE than capable of putting something like that together. The question is, how long before it actually happens. Because once someone does it one time and the word gets around, they will be FLOODED with people wanting to attend their workshop. And anybody can fly into a workshop like that with a small oscilloscope and a couple meters in their checked baggage. Fun times!

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Just one time I would love for one of the free energy "gurus" to put on a workshop where you paid money for a kit (BIG MONEY even) and the entire workshop was spent doing NOTHING but putting that kit together step by step.
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Just one time I would love for one of the free energy "gurus" to put on a workshop where you paid money for a kit (BIG MONEY even) and the entire workshop was spent doing NOTHING but putting that kit together step by step...
A lot of us consider you as a guru of sorts, with all the stuff you have built & shared. From memory, you have also said that the 'Steele Braden' electrostatic generator, and the Benitez generator work - yet I don't see you rushing to form workshops on either of these! Not a criticism (believe it or not!) just postulating a probable reason for the lack of Guru workshops out there. TinMan discovered a few months ago that this type of public disclosure is still not tolerated - something that suspiciously failed to get a mention on Energetic forum!

Since you've never been slow to spend money FE-stuff with potential, I was wondering if you planned on buying one of those Steorn OPhones (€470), or the OCube charger (€1200, ouch!)??? Not a mention of any of this on Energetic either, which is , ahhh, strange...
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ATTENTION MAGRAV BUYERS

The factory is recalling units so if yours does not work they will
replace the unit. All red tape and fine print subject to change
as the years roll by.

FACTORY MAGRAV UNITS FAILING. I wonder
how that happened.

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Yes I agree with sprocket

Build up some units and have a workshop, you got the money
and the machines. It's now or never.

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There are things that COULD be built and could be shown in a workshop, but you have to be set up for that, and I am NOT. I would want to make sure something was idiot proof before I started selling kits to people.The Steele Braden generator ABSOLUTELY works. But you would have to build a big one to see what the potential is. I have, or my SON has, the small working prototype I built. I have a larger unit under construction that I never seem to get around to finishing because of other projects, or because life gets in the way.

I just spent the last week with my son because my grandson, who came a few MONTHS premature, is in the hospital and the prognosis isn't great. So now I'm home again and way behind on everything.

With Steele's generator, my plan was to build this larger unit and compare the output to the SMALLER unit, so I could get some idea of just how big you would have to build one to get enough work out of it to achieve something significant enough to be worth the cost of putting it into some kind of production. I don't have that answer yet.

Matt can tell you about the Benitez stuff as he has THAT stuff down cold. But I think he decided that the EXPENSE of the build wasn't as economical as solar. You would have to ask him. Batteries are funny things, and cold weather zapps them when trying to use them in these kinds of devices. Things go along just great, and then you get a cold spell and the efficiency goes in the toilet. When you have to have one set to use, one to charge and one to rest for a functioning system, that's a lot of batteries, and most people aren't going to put out the kind of money you need to in order to have what is required to get started. The will want to use a bunch of crap batteries they have lying around, and then it won't work. NOT idiot proof.

We DO have some plans to build some stuff and get folks to replicate it, We haven't given up on that. To that end we bought a CNC machine and a 3d printer, and I have a SECOND 3d printer I need to get put together. I know over the next few months Matt will FINALLY have some free time, so I expect you will see a few things from us here on the forum.

Right now I feel like we have about 5 viable projects and i'm really not sure which one is the best one to put my time and energy into. There were six boxes of parts waiting for me when I got home today, so I have work to do. I'm pretty sure I will be posting at least ONE video in the next couple days on my rotor turned by a Razor scooter (off the shelf) motor running 8 of Gerard's "pump motors" as generators. Just for fun, and to show the folks what kind of output vs input you can get.

Someone in my local energy community bought one of the Keshe machines, so I MAY have an opportunity to see what's what with that device. You never know.

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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Magravs-Power Systems

The Keshe Foundation is advising that systems manufactured, from the Foundation, as well as those that built systems at home, are in perfect working order.


Until this point, as per the manual, the systems are in a conditioning phase. The method on how to use the systems properly, as a 2KW surplus power unit, will be announced on Thursday, December 10th. This will be during the Public Knowledge Seeker Workshop, available on the following links:


Livestream


YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/c/KeshefoundationOrg/live


ZOOM Broadcast


Conditioning should have been performed over the last 3 weeks. The Keshe Foundation has been advising about the conditioning of the systems since the first Blueprint Teaching Workshops and this process must be followed by all customers and builders.


If you have built a system, as per the blueprints, it must be advised to NOT paste the nano-coated coils with an abundance of GANS. Instruction has been provided during the 90th Public Knowledge Seekers Workshop.


Please see this video for important information (clip of the 90th Knowledge Seekers Workshop ~4min long):
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Old 12-07-2015, 11:05 PM
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Recall cancelled or what?

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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Magravs-Power Systems

The Keshe Foundation is advising that systems manufactured, from the Foundation, as well as those that built systems at home, are in perfect working order.
That seems strange considering just last week they issued a recall.
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:15 AM
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Peace Peace when there is no peace.

This guy gave me a giant laugh but I still think we need to keep
searching for peace and free energy.

This speaker is so right on.

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Old 12-08-2015, 03:29 PM
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According to Keshe himself. Thursday this week will be a significant announcement.

Listen below then.
KFSSI Workshops on Livestream.











.....24 days to go on my open mind commitment.
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Old 12-08-2015, 03:46 PM
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BroMikey

Here is another video from this experimenter.

I think he speaks English just fine. Especially the slang!

Nice demo how to build a 10 second Magrav Unit.

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Old 12-09-2015, 03:42 PM
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...Until this point, as per the manual, the systems are in a conditioning phase. The method on how to use the systems properly, as a 2KW surplus power unit, will be announced on Thursday, December 10th...
Gawd, this is getting painful. Anyone forsee a lenghty 'conditioning' period in the offing - going from 3 weeks to 3 months perhaps! The travesty is that Keshe was allowed to sell these contraptions in the first place, without he himself knowing how to get them to work. I wonder if there are any genuine Messiahs feeling pissed-off around about now at this clueless pretender bringing their club into disrepute!
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Old 12-10-2015, 01:03 PM
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91st Keshe Workshop 12/10/2015

The contradictory nature of Keshe's teachings went over the top for me today. He called his students "stupid thieving monkeys." What a way to start the Livestream session.

He finally demonstrates a unit in an entirely nonsensical way. He plugs into an outlet in the system, and runs an electric drill, then proclaims it is working on plasma power (uh the unit is plugged into the grid). He plugs loads into a working unit (actually two cascading units) in front of the group and claims that the usage reading on the meter shows a declining rate of power use. He says that people should expect between 0-100% gains depending on how your unit is configured in your home country. He says if you just compare this year and last years power consumption you will then see the net monthly gain. He with a fair amount of harshness acknowledges that he is being called a "Fraud" and clearly pushes back and puts the blame on his students. So much for being the Messiah.

He finally unveils how to add a large crystal (soul power) to the Blueprint stacker unit to synchronize the energies. Really?

The conditioning process he now says can take days, weeks or even months. Additionally he rants on and on about people ending his life thus ending his efforts, but the technology is in the hands of the people... thus free to mankind. Time isn't free Mr. Keshe, and your results are not apparent.

Maybe everything works as he says it does - but I see no significant evidence, or not even enough interesting phenomena to support a belief. I wish him luck, but I won't be spending one more second... considering the possibilities.

Message to Keshe Foundation. Go back to your home country Iran. Deliver your claimed wizardry of plasma power to eliminate their need for nuclear power or even oil for that matter. We will stand by and watch your progress.
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