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coil size

Inthe blueprint week teaching.. ..12rmm rod outer ring dia... and a 6.5mm.. inner... my coiling rods are hollow so I can drill thru the start and end of each lengh= eazy winding.....

5kg castic uk about a tenner
1kg copper real about IOUs

Pipe B and Q both about a tenner

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Data collection from a valid researcher. Thumbs up. Nice work man.

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Old 11-25-2015, 03:18 PM
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The messiah himself explains why the device does not work.

https://youtu.be/mJ3b2ogKUvs?t=2h34m33s

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The messiah himself explains why the device does not work.

https://youtu.be/mJ3b2ogKUvs?t=2h34m33s
Does anybody understand what he said? Thank you if you could tell me.

I understand he says everybody did the nanocoating wrong. But I can't follow what he says after that except everybody has to do it over again correctly.

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Does not matter Bi. Just more bull**** to baffle brains.

Whatever the Messiah states, (though critical for it to work) it is not described in the blueprint. That being said, Messiah always is right.

Just to illustrate. Here is the 'Nano' coating process from Hu Liwen at the Keshe technology Lab in Shenzhen



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At least he acknowledges that it doesn't work. Of course he blames others.
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Old 11-25-2015, 05:41 PM
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Yes. But this applies to the home-grown projects.

Here is a proud owner of a Keshe manufactured unit:

https://www.facebook.com/peter.salom...3555872298891/

The blame as to the (lack of) working of these Keshe manufactured units is also clear. It can be found in the manual:

KesheFoundation Blueprint Site

To enjoy this free energy device. The owner must follow 5 or 6 steps . Any mistake in any of these steps may cause the unit to become inoperative and void the warranty (this critical statement is only mentioned 6 times in the manual).

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Dear Customer, thank you for buying the Magravs Power Unit (hereon described as "the unit.")

Please be informed that, for warranty claims, you can send the unit to us. Check the address on http://www.keshefoundation.org/magravs; in the event of a legitimate claim, we will repair and return the unit to you. Please be advised that you are responsible for shipping costs incurred in returning the
unit to us.
Good luck proving a legitmate claim .
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Does anybody understand what he said? Thank you if you could tell me.

I understand he says everybody did the nanocoating wrong. But I can't follow what he says after that except everybody has to do it over again correctly.

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He said his factory did the same thing as many making Gans, they did not
alien the material by using the voltmeter as shown in the step by step
instruction. In fact almost everyone jumps right over that step.

Keshe may have some delusions of Godhood like almost every engineer
you meet, but he is not stupid. Just infatuated a little, this too
will pass.

If people want results let them follow instructions, forget the complex
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Direction of coil-winding excepted, in that video, Keshe is saying that the units are not working because one of the most preliminary steps in the 'nano-coating' procedure is not being done. After watching that video, I bet there are a lot of pissed-off replicators right now - all of the people that are sharing their build information include this 'realigning' step in their build-process, so it seems ridiculous to blame failures on this, especially since Keshe has no idea whether the 'failures' had this step done properly or at all. Note that there seems to be no mention at all of any 'successes', which is ominous.

The fact that Keshe then goes on to blame his own 'manufacturing-line' of being guilty of doing the same thing is comical. How on earth can he blame peoples "own stupidity" as the reason for the failures, when his own people allegedly cannot follow the Master's instructions either!

Even Keshe devotees admit that Keshe is a bad/awful teacher. Those Blueprint videos are horrendous. Given Keshe's criticism, it's begininng to look to me that this video-instruction was intentionally awful, just so Keshe could adopt the stance he is now taking. Why was Keshe even presenting these to begin with, especially since that guy "Armen" is supposed to be the true 'expert' in all of this. Much more likely, the whole thing is hog-wash.
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Yes. But this applies to the home-grown projects.

Here is a proud owner of a Keshe manufactured unit:



Nobody I see replicating has followed this directive.

I guess they didn't find this til later.
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Failed coil preparations failed system and Boom is ticked
saying Keshe changes his story when this info has been
the same for 10 years.

He is mad. He will finally get the steps right.

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He is mad. He will finally get the steps right.
Who? Keshe oder Boom?

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Keshe seems to be altruistic in releasing his plans for the good of humanity.
However he is also rude, disorganized, arrogant, etc. and seems to have conflict with many of his associates. It seems unlikely that these personality traits really exist in the same person. Maybe one explanation is that the cabal or whatever you want to call it wants to disillusion a lot of people regarding the "free" energy field. There is a concern that if enough people realize it might be out there but suppressed then it might come out. So if nothing is delivered soon or some weird flame out happens then this might explain why.
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Keshe seems to be altruistic in releasing his plans for the good of humanity.
However he is also rude, disorganized, arrogant, etc. and seems to have conflict with many of his associates. It seems unlikely that these personality traits really exist in the same person. Maybe one explanation is that the cabal or whatever you want to call it wants to disillusion a lot of people regarding the "free" energy field. There is a concern that if enough people realize it might be out there but suppressed then it might come out. So if nothing is delivered soon or some weird flame out happens then this might explain why.
In fact, he threatens his (ex)assiciates and other people (and their families, even children fgs) https://youtu.be/tEh0xnmyf6E?t=17m17s

I have found, nobody really is threatening Keshe besides his theries. Not the Messiah himself. This raises question as to why Keshe feels threatened by these people?

In todays world, it is not hard at all to either or not anonymously, disclose anything you want. And it can not be undone. Even if Uncle Sam would like to. This suppression argument is really getting old. If Keshe would play the "suppressed" card, it would be an utter sign of incompetence.

Of course, Keshe will spin-doctor his way out (I have the feeling since the last 2 Lemming Seeker Workshops, he is already paving the road to an exit) , blaming everybody and put himself in the "victim" position as to give himself a face to move forward with his followers. He always has done, and will do so in the future. The story goes back for over decade. It will continue for another...
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There are some folks here in California that researches energy and occasionally something of interest comes up. We have two things coming up.

Ralph Ring will be speaking on January 9th. For those of you who don't know who Ralph Ring is, he is one of the surviving members of the group that worked with Otis T. Carr.

For those of you who don't know who Otis T. Carr was....he was a protege of Tesla and the inventor of a flying disk.

Research any or all of those names if they mean nothing to you.

The second thing of interest, and the main reason I posted here, is that one of the group members placed an order a while back for a Keshe device which is expected within the next two weeks, and I may then have a first hand opportunity to express an EDUCATED opinion on the subject of whether it is for real or not, since I may have the opportunity to put my OWN meters on the thing and see what I can see. Who knows.

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Keshe seems to be altruistic in releasing his plans for the good of humanity.
However he is also rude, disorganized, arrogant, etc. and seems to have conflict with many of his associates. It seems unlikely that these personality traits really exist in the same person. Maybe one explanation is that the cabal or whatever you want to call it wants to disillusion a lot of people ......................
Yes the Churches are controlled by the Cabal and those holy rollers
practice kundalini, jerking on the floor in sheer bad behavior. The age of
demi gods such a Keshe feels he is becoming.

Yes, this one world gov coming will require that the people worship
as a one world body so many beta tests are being performed now.
When Keshe does his weeping trick he is relating to all of the
charismatics who prophesy in their services much the same way.

Instead Keshe is not only channeling what he calls messiah but has
now ascended to a place of demi embodiment also known as possession.
When Keshe says he is our creator most charismatics look at this as
if the spirit of gOd is using Keshe body to speak.

It is all black magic. The kabal has and is infiltrating the ranks of all
religious organizations worldwide. It is getting to the point that readings
have been held in the Churches through the week such as is done
with the AA meetings. Tara Card readings and what is called "white Magic"

Keshe is using spirit guides to maneuver his following by speaking to their
desire to be among the first groups to emerge into the new paradigm as
loyal leaders who will ascend. You will see more of these people from
now on.

Keshe says he is Jesus the Messiah creator God and his foundation legally
protects all money flowing into his corporation. It is a one way street
with Keshe as God and savior/Lord telling all to send money.

He was kidnapped and threatened so now his gOd has him threatening
the public who dare even suggest that their Lord and Savior Mr. Keshe
should ever be questioned.

Maybe the kidnappers made him prophesy that creator and Lord crap
so they would let him go and if there is a next time will require he wear
pink tights with a repeat prophesy all on film.
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My Keshe=Fraud thread seemed to be getting quiet while there still is action on the happy Keshe followers thread. So I thought let's have a look at all this positive Keshe news....

Seems like the thing is falling apart....

(no surprise there)

Keshe is playing the victim of the stupidity of his followers.

(no surprise there neither, but funny that he should complain about that. Isn't his whole 'success' based on that?)

Anyway, that sure is good news.
When people start realizing how insanely idiotic they have been, they may wish to change.
We should welcome all the cured Keshe followers.



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There are some folks here in California that researches energy and occasionally something of interest comes up. We have two things coming up.

Ralph Ring will be speaking on January 9th. For those of you who don't know who Ralph Ring is, he is one of the surviving members of the group that worked with Otis T. Carr.

For those of you who don't know who Otis T. Carr was....he was a protege of Tesla and the inventor of a flying disk.

Research any or all of those names if they mean nothing to you.

The second thing of interest, and the main reason I posted here, is that one of the group members placed an order a while back for a Keshe device which is expected within the next two weeks, and I may then have a first hand opportunity to express an EDUCATED opinion on the subject of whether it is for real or not, since I may have the opportunity to put my OWN meters on the thing and see what I can see. Who knows.

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Thanks Dave

interesting post about Tesla's friend. Also on your friends buying one,
let him know if he does not already know that people are using these
as power factor correction devices that can reduce their electric bill
around 5 percent.

Of course Keshe says we will reduce our power needs by 20-30 percent
and if it doesn't work there is no money back. Shame on the ungrateful
ones trying to return the gift of gOd like that, all because it didn't work.

Shame. How dare these disgruntle children expect their savior and Lord
to be faithful and true.
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My Keshe=Fraud thread seemed to be getting quiet while there still is action on the happy Keshe followers thread. So I thought let's have a look at all this positive Keshe news....

Seems like the thing is falling apart....

(no surprise there)

Keshe is playing the victim of the stupidity of his followers.

(no surprise there neither, but funny that he should complain about that. Isn't his whole 'success' based on that?)

Anyway, that sure is good news.
When people start realizing how insanely idiotic they have been, they may wish to change.
We should welcome all the cured Keshe followers.



Ernst.
You can go ahead and say it Ernie "I told ya so" you were right.

Thanks for the heads up. Here is that link Dave posted, we all know

that face. Keshe wants one too. He has the money now.

never mind Ernie it won't work for you even tho you wanted a ride.

We need someone left with both feet on the ground anyway.

Carr was a Rosicrucian and understandable was a good choice

to carry the message Tesla had to offer.

Here is what Carr and Ring both lived by as members of the order.

I don't think Telsa did that because he was cast out from these people.

No matter, the message was carried by a jackass, I am happy with it.




Ralph Ring's Website





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The second thing of interest, and the main reason I posted here, is that one of the group members placed an order a while back for a Keshe device which is expected within the next two weeks, and I may then have a first hand opportunity to express an EDUCATED opinion on the subject of whether it is for real or not, since I may have the opportunity to put my OWN meters on the thing and see what I can see. Who knows.

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Just pay attention to what, how and why you will measure! This device is mainly a plasma device not an electric device. Putting and analog or digital meter on it will not show too much the plasma activity, instead it will show the electrons activities, or what we call now electric current. Understanding the concept behind it is much more important that measuring what we think we have to get from it. Good luck on your endeavor and pay great attention to details.
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Just pay attention to what, how and why you will measure! This device is mainly a plasma device not an electric device. Putting and analog or digital meter on it will not show too much the plasma activity, instead it will show the electrons activities, or what we call now electric current. Understanding the concept behind it is much more important that measuring what we think we have to get from it. Good luck on your endeavor and pay great attention to details.
So, you are saying, this way of measuring, at the Keshe foundation SSI itself, is wrong?


The device is sold with the promise "that is able to power your home, and produce electricity for the grid". But better not use the same way of measurement the electric bill is measured. Now that makes perfect sense!
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Note that Keshe recently muddied the waters some more with regards to power-measurments by insisting that you cannot have dual-meters that simultaneously measure both input & output power - despite having exactly this setup in one of his own videos. Apparently it effects the plasma-flow, or some such nonsense. So yeah, Keshe is on record as saying that 'conventional' means of measuring power-in/power-out, just doesn't cut it, as they cannot measure plasma-power.
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Yes, they changed the "official test setup" to a single meter. But still its a meter. Not sure why to bother with a meter, when it's unmeasurable.

Here is another replicator with zero results.


Note, Keshe also has shown zero results. Therefore its remarkable these replicators question themselves rather then the Messiah and his bogus theories.

Anyways, here is the real deal, Stage 2
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Talk is cheaper not deeper..

Im enjoying myself building putting MY energy in...

2 matter enjoyable experince positive, with no understanding to draining mind matter...lol...
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There are some folks here in California that researches energy and occasionally something of interest comes up. We have two things coming up.

Ralph Ring will be speaking on January 9th. For those of you who don't know who Ralph Ring is, he is one of the surviving members of the group that worked with Otis T. Carr.

For those of you who don't know who Otis T. Carr was....he was a protege of Tesla and the inventor of a flying disk.

Research any or all of those names if they mean nothing to you.

The second thing of interest, and the main reason I posted here, is that one of the group members placed an order a while back for a Keshe device which is expected within the next two weeks, and I may then have a first hand opportunity to express an EDUCATED opinion on the subject of whether it is for real or not, since I may have the opportunity to put my OWN meters on the thing and see what I can see. Who knows.

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Yes, they changed the "official test setup" to a single meter. But still its a meter. Not sure why to bother with a meter, when it's unmeasurable.

Here is another replicator with zero results.

Anyways, here is the real deal, Stage 2

Hey Slick

I am not saying Keshe is on the level here one bit but if you are going
to shoot down his work using an improper experiment, what does that
say? The info tells you straight out that when you hook the meter
across the coil this will align energy fields. We have no data that
this man has correctly done that.

Also what we do know it that the Keshe Info specifically states that the
loading be done in a gradual way and this fella just pops on a 1200 watt
heater from the start.

If you are going to try to discredit Keshe work at least find out what
the proper instructions say in the Keshe literature then find a replicator
who has this proper info and shows the public that he is following
protocol.

Do you follow me? The way you are presenting Keshe work actually
makes him look good, because it appears you and the man in the experimental
setup you posted are ignorant of proper assembly instructions not
to mention the critical loading mistakes.

The info is strict about start up current and warns against exceeding
certain values from day to day as conditioning will progress.

It is not so easy to shoot this work down in light of fraudulent test
apparatus.

Maybe I will find someone who did follow current information, then I'll
post the video but until then no one has any proof one way or the other
of any effects.

Personally? I think Keshe is cashing in like so many who project the same
coming energy free utopia, such a Carr and Ring are using Tesla's name
who seek to pull on the reigns of hope as their leverage against us.

Politicians and preachers come by way of many different walks of
life exersizing a super natural magnetic presence that they use to
"CATCH THE PREY"

This has nothing to to do with nano tech and it's potential applications
to benefit mankind. Nano tech is so cool to me that I am doing some
work of my own.
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It is not so easy to shoot this work down in light of fraudulent test
apparatus.
Why you have to shoot it down in the first place? I thought he needs to prove it first and then you can try and confirm or duplicate it.
Shame...Really is a waste of money and time for ppl trying to replicate something that does not exist
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Ralph and Otis

Just a short note on Ring & Car (maybe we should open a different thread for them)
Ralph says about his flight in the OTC UFO:
- there was a crystal in the centre with lasers pointing at it
The first (experimental) laser was build in 1960. What year was Ralph talking about?
- the light changed colour continuously
a laser emits monochromatic light.... it will not change one bit.
- after the supposed trip they found sticks and stones in their pocket and later they remembered they had collected these from some far away location.
Now just picture this: a group of people, like you and me, getting out of a UFO to get some sticks and stones and put them in your pockets and go back in the UFO.
When was the last time you collected some sticks and stones and put them in your pocket????
Does this sound even remotely convincing to anyone?


Well, they do fit in this thread....


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Here is what I said:
"The second thing of interest, and the main reason I posted here, is that one of the group members placed an order a while back for a Keshe device which is expected within the next two weeks, and I may then have a first hand opportunity to express an EDUCATED opinion on the subject of whether it is for real or not, since I may have the opportunity to put my OWN meters on the thing and see what I can see. Who knows."

What I meant was that until I have looked at the thing myself, my opinion of it is an UN-Educated opinion, which is why I haven't jumped into this discussion on one side or the other. Once I have SEEN it working (or not working) and had a chance to put my own meters on it, I will have an EDUCATED opinion to present because I will have done at LEAST some minimal research, observation and measurement. I meant no offense by the above statement. There are times when I CHOOSE to be offensive, but this is not one of them.

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