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Old 05-23-2019, 11:06 AM
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All true I should have been more clear on these other types of motors
and generators with open cages. There are many many motor types
and generators and so i was only generalizing about motors like
a washing machine motor.

Some are designed with a closed cage like the scooter motors and one
motor I have is water tight for boat trolling. You are right 100 watts is
a bad example.

I am thinking how generators are made for backup power and they are
made to continuously expel heat. A motor designed to run 30 amps with a
closed cage operating at under half capacity of course will never get hot.

I thought you were running all north poles? And it gets hot, right? So
running N S N S is the same as the all north in this case, depending.

Generally, motors that run an air compressor or an electric lawnmower
or even an egg beater have cooling fins. Treadmill motors that i have
are PMM but 2 poles have fans. Golf cart motors run on DC and they
have ports and fins.

To me motors are generators. I can generator electricity with any motor
you own or can think of. All you do is take any motor you want to
convert to a generator, take the 2 wires that you normally connect
to the wall sock (induction type for instance) put 12vdc across them
for 5 seconds doing that 10 to 20 times.

Now your motor has enough residual magnetism stored in the core
material to start the generating process. Now connect a 50uf oil filled
cap across the same terminals, turn the shaft at 1800 rpm's which is
50 rpm's faster than the 1750 rpm that it is rated for and you will
be generating. The output is 90%, I built one here years ago. I used
a 2 1/2hp Briggs to turn it at a slow crawl. I use it out back to power
a saw all and drills.

I should have pointed out that all of the motors I have all have cooling
ports, fins and fans built into them on the inside. This i know because
I take them apart all of the time to replace bearings or brushes.

What I like to do is to use a bigger motor to power things so the heat
never becomes an issue. The alternator on your car generates power
and has a fan on the from of it.

Now here is what I can't figure out so maybe you can help me out. On
your big machine (Like John B. used to say) you have 1.5 amps coming
out of a 23awg wire conductor rated for 4.7amps, right? Why is it getting
hot then? Could it be that the wire is to small?

Could it be that the ratings for magnet wire are listed for a low frequency?

If this is true Not saying it is 20awg would handle it.



https://i.stack.imgur.com/axNMU.png

Look at this chart on magnet wire and tell me how frequency changes
the amp ratings. Or if it is considered power transmission. I know
it does not fall into the chassis rating.

if a coil or solenoid is considered a power transmission device then a
23awg wire is only rated for .7amps at say 60hz.

Can you understand my question? Why the heat.

Also i have a Bedini 5 strand with 4 of the conductors @14awwg and
the rating says 30 amps but when I use it in a coil it warms up at
5 amps? See my point? Why is that?

What is the frequency of your big rig? that would tell me something.
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Looks like a 4sale sign video. Me no Russian, me English, me not buy
me build.
Unfortunately, the author does not disclose his projects. The only thing that says is about paired phases. Here you can interpret in different ways. I have my own projects in which, also, good recovery results, theoretically, according to calculations of magnetic and electrical circuits.
So de he mentioned Nikola Tesla with his two-phase system, called it a steam room.
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I just explained “Why the heat.” I was very specific. It is not the wire that is causing the heat. It is the CORE material that is heating up. Magnets going by the CORE are CONSTANTLY rearranging particles within the core. Those moving particles cause the core to heat up. That heats up the wire and melts off the insulation. It is the CORE that has to be cooled, as I have explained several times now. Maybe ferrite won’t heat up as much, but it probably won’t produce as much power either. Maybe metglass will work. I have both to try. Just haven’t gotten around to it yet. Water bottles on the core works to dissipate the heat. Sometimes I wonder if you even read what I post.
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I just explained “Why the heat.” I was very specific. It is not the wire that is causing the heat. It is the CORE material that is heating up. Magnets going by the CORE are CONSTANTLY rearranging particles within the core. Those moving particles cause the core to heat up. That heats up the wire and melts off the insulation. It is the CORE that has to be cooled, as I have explained several times now. Maybe ferrite won’t heat up as much, but it probably won’t produce as much power either. Maybe metglass will work. I have both to try. Just haven’t gotten around to it yet. Water bottles on the core works to dissipate the heat. Sometimes I wonder if you even read what I post.
in order that there is no excess heat, the correct calculation of the electrical circuit is necessary. and exclude forced counter currents, both electric and magnetic.
This "bourgeois" will not please, so the size will increase.

In this experiment, the motor designed by Flynn remained cold. According to this technology and the generator will also be cold. if you follow Ohm’s law for a complete chain.
What can you say according to the listed conditions.
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There is not a complex electrical circuit here. There are magnets passing a coil. The wires from the coil go to a load. Exactly what would you have me change or calculate to reduce the heat according to what you understand about Flynn's work? Because I have read most everything about Flynn that I could find over the years. What is it you have to share that will reduce the heat in my core? Don't show me a video of someone else's build. Tell me what YOU know based on what you have done and what you see that works. Any and all help will be appreciated. I will try it on my bench. When I see it working, THEN I will believe it exists. It is possible Flynn's motor DID run cold, and yes, motors and generators are basically the same thing. But how does that apply to what I have built? What do you mean by "Follow Ohms law for a complete chain"? And where do I find a discussion of THAT in anything related to Flynn?What is it you believe I need to do or change according to what you know? I am the world's biggest skeptic, despite what some people might think. Not trying to be rude. Thats just the way I look at things. Too many fakes and frauds out there and people who claim to know something but all they have done is watch someone else's fake video and drink the kool aide. They have never built anything themselves and all they do is talk, talk, talk because of what they have seen in a video and believe. Not what they have run on the bench and put a meter on.

My biggest wish is that NOBODY would show a video of someone else's work until they have built it, tested it, and know it to be true. It would eliminate people bringing to this forum 99.999% of the videos on free energy that exist on YouTube. Pleas understand I am not saying this video is meaningless, I'm just saying I cdon't understand how it applies and what YOU believe I need to change. Please explain. (Also, I love to rant and rave. Gets me worked up and then I actually DO something with my life instead of sit and watch movies. And I used to own a video store, so I have THOUSANDS of them yet to watch)
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Hi Dave,

The ignore list works great for reducing your blood pressure. Reading comprehension seems to be a very rare commodity now days.

Take care,
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I am not trying to correct Dave and make him mad so he goes away.
Trolling is a full time job with you. Dave is a big boy, he knows me well.

Make comments that help the discussion.
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There is not a complex electrical circuit here. There are magnets passing a coil. The wires from the coil go to a load. Exactly what would you have me change or calculate to reduce the heat according to what you understand about Flynn's work? Because I have read most everything about Flynn that I could find over the years. What is it you have to share that will reduce the heat in my core? Don't show me a video of someone else's build. Tell me what YOU know based on what you have done and what you see that works. Any and all help will be appreciated. I will try it on my bench. When I see it working, THEN I will believe it exists. It is possible Flynn's motor DID run cold, and yes, motors and generators are basically the same thing. But how does that apply to what I have built? What do you mean by "Follow Ohms law for a complete chain"? And where do I find a discussion of THAT in anything related to Flynn?What is it you believe I need to do or change according to what you know? I am the world's biggest skeptic, despite what some people might think. Not trying to be rude. Thats just the way I look at things. Too many fakes and frauds out there and people who claim to know something but all they have done is watch someone else's fake video and drink the kool aide. They have never built anything themselves and all they do is talk, talk, talk because of what they have seen in a video and believe. Not what they have run on the bench and put a meter on.

My biggest wish is that NOBODY would show a video of someone else's work until they have built it, tested it, and know it to be true. It would eliminate people bringing to this forum 99.999% of the videos on free energy that exist on YouTube. Pleas understand I am not saying this video is meaningless, I'm just saying I cdon't understand how it applies and what YOU believe I need to change. Please explain. (Also, I love to rant and rave. Gets me worked up and then I actually DO something with my life instead of sit and watch movies. And I used to own a video store, so I have THOUSANDS of them yet to watch)
Flynn used bifilar windings * and unclosed cores. Place the dielectric between the magnet and the core. The eddy currents will not be able to stand in a ring.
In the conductor of the wire, do not allow the excess current according to the standards for cross-section and frequency. In the bifilar of Flynn, the current never changes its direction. Actually, I am not a homemade man, I am a researcher. If you think that the use of steam winding in a wonder, Flynn is not the first, the first were German engineers. It was from there that these developments reached the Soviet Union and the USA.


An example of the use of a bifilar winding (two wires for multidirectional inclusions on one core). I hope that the translation is not needed, you know how to read the electrical circuit.
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I just explained “Why the heat.” I was very specific. It is not the wire that is causing the heat. It is the CORE material that is heating up. Magnets going by the CORE are CONSTANTLY rearranging particles within the core.
I don't know if I agree with that
analysis. Induction heating is done without core material. It is
the magnetic field that brings in the energy as far as I know.

The coil calculators are designed for 200-300 ft of wire not so much
3000feet. This subject is not as cut and dry as you may think. That
is my view. You keep repeating the same reasons and getting the same
results, I understand that.

2G HTS magnet wire can carry up to 200X more current than standard
magnet wire according to the site that sell this wire. This means that the
resistance of the wire is lower and this might work better than being
stuck with all that wire (3000ft) that brings heat. My opinion. You have
them and I have them. Cores don't bring in heat, magnetic fields bring
in energy into the core where heating takes place.

I still have not figured it all out yet. Like 23awg wire being good for
less than an amp when it is over 10 feet. 1000-2000-3000 ft brings
with it resistance, impedance, reactance all this is 8th grade tronix.

With 12 strands 250 ft each X 4 = 1000ft is the null point and you are
getting .5 amps out of it then you have 3 circuits so that is well within
the limits for the wire if what I said was true. But a single 23awg
conductor can not handle 1.5amps all by itself. Which as you say
eliminates the heating being caused by small wire but rather core
material being the culprit.

Which brings us back to the frequency of the rig. Let's see 5 magnets
singing around at 2800 rpm's or 47 turns per second so 47 X 5 magnets
so 47 X 5 = 235hz

Anyway I am going to look for a supplier for type II or second generation
magwire. 2G HTS magnet wire it is called or you can get 2G LTS. What
that means is that we would be able to change impedance values by
selecting a smaller conductor that handles the same current.

Thane Heins is leading the way and suggesting it's use. Back when he
first started he had coils bigger than we do. later after he went to other
wire they all mysteriously shrunk to 1/4 the size.

All I am doing is airing out what everybody is thinking and getting away
with it.




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Run the coil for just a couple minutes. Then put a laser thermometer on the core and then the outside of the coil. The heat begins at the core and moved outward The core, which is iron, is always hotter than the copper at the outside of the coil yet copper absorbs heat better than iron does. If it was the electricity or amps in the wire that was causing the heating problem, the end of the wire would be the same temp as the beginning since that transfer would be almost instantaneous. But that does not happen. The coil heats up from the center outward, which is why I believe it is the iron core. I could be wrong, but when I cool the core with water, the issue goes away, which ALSO leads me to my conclusion. But we all base our conclusions on the info we have. That’s what makes research so interesting.
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Anyway I am going to look for a supplier for type II or second generation
magwire. 2G HTS magnet wire it is called ...
So, going to run at 77K? Good luck with that.
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I guess that must be the answer then. The core material needs to be
changed out for something factory designed or engineered. Pounding
coat hanger wire into a plastic tube is out of the question for the huge
machine. 2500 watts is nothing to sneeze at.

And your fears that if you change the cores out and you loose the old
fashion iron that it won't ever work again? Humm... naw it'll work just
go to a 400hz core material like air craft alternators use? Wait that
doesn't change, what am I thinking? I believe it uses the same iron at
400hz but I could be wrong.

Heat = waste so if you get rid of the heat you will be collecting more
energy back that the iron blocks are generating, throwing off. That
heat energy= extra energy.

I see Thanes wire and it is tough thin wire and he can get 10 amps
thru it? My God that is some special wire to do that.

The wetting agent for nanocrystalline ribbon must be as thin as possible
and you will be able to replace the iron whether it be - bee bee's in
cement or Ferrite dust in plastic, with amazing results. Yes make square
cores and use square spools or they are called bobbins. All costs.
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Here are a few video's for anyone wanting to get their minds on the
subject of how ribbon winders work and how the ribbon looks or the
wetting agent bucket being part of the process. Also the wipers after
wetting is very important, then I am sure there must be a good amount
of tension on the ribbon.

I would do it in a rounded cornered square then cut out where the
magnet goes for my "C" cores. I have not figured out how to make
straight bars yet but it is here somewhere.

if single pieces or strips are wetted and stacked you would need a
form and a stamping foot to hold pressure down on the leafs while
it dries. It has to have pressure on the ribbon after wetting to press
out the remaining glue to get one metal strip as close to the next
piece as possible.




This one crazy



Tiny spot weld is cool keeps tension

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[QUOTE=Pot head;318009]Here is a snapshot of your post as I view it.
I don’t see the images.


Here is my favorite square core cutting chop saw machine, beautiful
work, like a dream. placed in a vice.

Does anyone else see this? Pot head can not. these are not picture
they are YOUTUBE video's maybe you need an app.



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not that expensive to do it better, coil
core blocks all made, ignore min order not true


https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...11741544XDyj5M



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Run the coil for just a couple minutes. Then put a laser thermometer on the core and then the outside of the coil. The heat begins at the core and moved outward The core, which is iron, is always hotter than the copper at the outside of the coil yet copper absorbs heat better than iron does. If it was the electricity or amps in the wire that was causing the heating problem, the end of the wire would be the same temp as the beginning since that transfer would be almost instantaneous. But that does not happen. The coil heats up from the center outward, which is why I believe it is the iron core. I could be wrong, but when I cool the core with water, the issue goes away, which ALSO leads me to my conclusion. But we all base our conclusions on the info we have. That’s what makes research so interesting.

In this you are right, the heating of the core comes from a cent. So what exactly are the vectors of opposites of the magnetic and electric fields. But heat occurs when two magnetic resist each other. The magnetic field is inert. by dividing into zones and time intervals, heating can be avoided. This moment just went into my theory about the immateriality of the magnetic field.
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But heat occurs when two magnetic fields
resist each other. The magnetic field is inert. by dividing into zones
and time intervals, heating can be avoided. .
Very good, also low frequency core will heat up at high frequencies.
For instance if we take a wall adapter designed for 50hz or 60hz and
run it it at 235hz it will burn up.

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So, going to run at 77K? Good luck with that.
Honestly I have no idea what khz just think it will be a fun experiment.
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Honestly I have no idea what khz just think it will be a fun experiment.
K = kelvins.

Been through this with you about a year ago.
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K = kelvins.

Been through this with you about a year ago.
Okay, little man talk, got a motor gen?
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The guy is already a magician, another focus from the point of view of skeptics. To be honest, I also have a lot of questions. For example, what is the no-load voltage of the generator, the voltage of the motor, the operating speed of the motor, the generator and other details of the implementation of Ohm’s law. Enjoying life goes on.

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Good video of a motor generator flywheel. 2 flywheels, looks like
he used a small dc cordless drill motor to drive the flywheels
and who know what he did on the generator side.

Flywheel energy

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Good video of a motor generator flywheel. 2 flywheels, looks like
he used a small dc cordless drill motor to drive the flywheels
and who know what he did on the generator side.

Flywheel energy

This guy has one controversial moment - this is the area of ​​the rotor pole, in this case the role of the rotor is performed by a flywheel in the rim of which ceramic magnets are attached. In the neighboring windings, counter currents should be induced.

Perhaps the output from this generator is the difference of these counter currents and a small torque.

Also, the condition at the working speed of rotation, according to the strength of current, according to Ohm's law, for the complete circuit should be fulfilled.
I(A) = (Ug- Um) / (Rg+Rm+Rz)
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Hi rakarskiy, thanks for sharing.
So this reminds me of the experiment, that shows a flywheel being spun up to a certain rpm and taking 300 watts to do so.
Then when they stop the flywheel and spin it up again within a certain short time period, it only takes around 30 watts to spin it up to the same rpm.
Something within, around or a combination of both, at the heavy mass flywheel is rotated also, other than the material of the rotor itself, that is not obvious to the observer.

If we were to spin a flywheel in the center of a small families water fun pool, the water being analogous to this not obvious something that is spinning along with the flywheel.
The water in the pool would eventually be rotating at a certain velocity and would take a short time to stop rotating.
Though within that short window of time, we could spin up the flywheel with much less energy, because the water (not obvious something rotating with our flywheel) would help the flywheel to accelerate to top speed.
Though I think it is something within the space and material of the flywheel itself, that is not obvious, that is getting rotated along with the flywheel and this something carries a much greater inertia than what we add with our input.
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Hi SkyWatcher!
A flywheel is first of all a storage device (capacitor) of mechanical (kinetic) energy. In constant load mode, its use is controversial. This is similar to the electrical circuit, between the light bulb and the battery, put a capacitor and wait for a miracle. There must be a pulse in the mechanical circuit. Then the flywheel works, organized by analogy with an electric ballast capacitor after the diode bridge AC/DC. The task is to organize the drawdown of the rotational speed of the flywheel, in the minimum range. From this it follows that in the kinetic chain there must be an impulse. You can organize it only in the generator.
All modern traditional generators are designed with the condition of smoothing the incoming torque. For a system with a flywheel, it is necessary to change the mode of the generator to a pulsed one and a pulse will appear in the circuit. The presence of the impulse described by Campbell, he had a belt between the motor and the flywheel had jolts, and the motor constantly changed two modes: load - idling.
At the same time, the accumulated energy by the flywheel will greatly exceed the one needed for the pulse rotation of the generator. Also, the speed of rotation of the flywheel should be in the area where its angular momentum has a plus sign. This is dangerous because usually these are critical areas for destruction.

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