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Old 04-19-2019, 02:28 PM
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Hi Rakarskiy,

Please comment on my previous post and how you feel it relates to the subject video which started our exchange. Namely:



Then explain the relevance of your last post, on the Russian flywheel experiment, to the subject video.

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The fact that I counted, in the video, our "cunning mathematician" did not impress me. I disagree with his calculations. The fact that it takes into account the radius of the flywheel in the calculation is true. Judging because it introduces the force for acceleration of the flywheel, not through the axis, but closer to the circumference line, it is also true (similarly impose the force of the jolt and your American engineers). You argued that the calculation is not true, and there is not any additives. The calculation is really slippery, but the flywheel at certain speeds has a quadratic increase in the energy index. For this, I gave an example conducted under the guidance of Professor Guli (inventor of the super flywheel). My answer satisfied you.
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Old 04-19-2019, 04:38 PM
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The fact that I counted, in the video, our "cunning mathematician" did not impress me. I disagree with his calculations. The fact that it takes into account the radius of the flywheel in the calculation is true. Judging because it introduces the force for acceleration of the flywheel, not through the axis, but closer to the circumference line, it is also true (similarly impose the force of the jolt and your American engineers). You argued that the calculation is not true, and there is not any additives. The calculation is really slippery, but the flywheel at certain speeds has a quadratic increase in the energy index. For this, I gave an example conducted under the guidance of Professor Guli (inventor of the super flywheel). My answer satisfied you.
Thanks for your explanation, but the kinetic energy or angular momentum of the rotor (flywheel) does not enter into the power and efficiency calculations of the motor in the video demonstration because it is spinning at a constant speed at the point where the experimenter makes the measurements and calculations.

As you can plainly see in the Russian paper you posted, they are interested in and measure the acceleration (and deceleration) of the flywheel. A change in speed (RPM) is needed to use or store energy in the flywheel. That energy is simply irrelevant in a constant speed power or efficiency calculation. That is why I call the bad math guy in the subject video an idiot.

Sorry if you disagree but no sense of me posting more. I have explained my stated opinion.

Thanks for the discussion.

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bistander, The “cunning mathematician” amused a little, but touched on interesting points. I don't want to judge him, especially calling him an "idiot." Just a flywheel is a drive comparable to an electric capacitor. Torque can be compared with the current strength. Closing the circuit, these components begin to work. I explain to people that in a kinetic chain with a constant load it is useless. Between the battery and the lamp, turn on the electric capacitor in parallel and wait for a miracle. Similar and flywheel between engine and generator with constant mechanical strength. The flywheel works in a system where a kinetic impulse is created, which can be compared with pulsed electrical circuits.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:52 PM
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... Just a flywheel is a drive comparable to an electric capacitor. ...
Yes, flywheel and capacitor are energy storage devices. A capacitor plays no part in a circuit where voltage does not change. Likewise, a flywheel plays no part on a rotational mechanical system where the angular velocity does not change.

The video idiot uses bad math of flywheel angular momentum to attempt to calculate torque of a constant speed rotating member. Angular momentum and stored energy of the rotor is irrelevant at unchanging RPM where he attempts to calculate mechanical power and motor efficiency.

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Gentlemen thanks for your hard work running numbers. I can't do
that most days unless I refresh then I forget it all.

You both are good at the figuring, it is a gift or a curse sometimes.

Let's put it like this. Does anyone know the input power in the video?

For the sake of the laymen, (Like me) what kind of power could he get
off that big flywheel? Does it seem like he can do more work with his
flywheel than he is putting in?

I don't remember if he shows the input. The man is no dummy and is
doing bench work that will pay off and feels like he has something
special. I wonder if he knows the difference with normal closed loops
systems VS what he thinks he has found?

We must work from the premise that he has some education and knows
how conventional systems work. To assume someone is a lunatic based
on a differing calculation without hands on is showing a closed door.

The "I'm always right" attitude is on display leaving no opening for
learning outside the box. Mathematicians and inventors are two
separate animals. Generally the inventors just go ahead and make it
work unable to frame the equations after the fact.
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Old 04-20-2019, 03:16 AM
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Let's put it like this. Does anyone know the input power in the video?
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At time marker 13:15, input power is 48.84 watts from voltmeter and ammeter on the batteries.

There is no load on the motor shaft so output power is necessarily zero.

Then efficiency at the 900 RPM constant speed (which he measured) is output power / input power * 100% which is 0 watts output / 48.84 watts input * 100% = 0% efficient.

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Very funny, the man in the video said hypothetically he was way
over unity tho he said he had not finished by attaching a generator.

My question is base on the weight of the wheel tell us how much
he could get out of it. It is zero yes, which shows how absurd you
are in defending your position.

Answer plz. How much. See how incapable you are? There is no shame.

It is best to be evasive like you are doing since no bench work will follow.
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Yes, flywheel and capacitor are energy storage devices. A capacitor plays no part in a circuit where voltage does not change. Likewise, a flywheel plays no part on a rotational mechanical system where the angular velocity does not change.

The video idiot uses bad math of flywheel angular momentum to attempt to calculate torque of a constant speed rotating member. Angular momentum and stored energy of the rotor is irrelevant at unchanging RPM where he attempts to calculate mechanical power and motor efficiency.

bi, again
I also do two flywheel torque calculations based on classical and centrifugal forces. The flywheel is a capacitor (drive) and at constant load (speed) will only discharge. The kinetic pulse is also a charge discharge, only in the dynamics of velocities. "The "bad mathematician" miscalculated the torque of the flywheel for the reason that T= (1/360 F)* R, must be used to calculate the arm's arm, not the circle. But first calculate the centrifugal force F=m*ω^2*R, calculate the torque of the flywheel at different speeds according to the proposed method and on the basis of the classical formula, the moment of inertia. Then overlay both graphs on top of each other and see the difference. The classical method is a linear result that is essentially wrong.
Provided that the radius in both calculations is the same. If we consider that the radius of the center of mass changes with increasing speed of the flywheel. Then the calculation will be even more categorical. To deny it in favor of the bigots of money, nothing could be simpler.
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Hi,
I had this rough diagram I wanted to put out there for consumption. Although I think it is in the spirit of the first experiment in SkyWatchers latest thread, I thought it might be better if I posted it here so as not to be too bigger distraction.

It is a partial side view of an axial flux generator with a two piece rotor, that is bolted together, as it passes the gen coils. The hope here is that the flux made by the generator coil, ignores the rotor, and chooses it's closed circuit path. It's untried and untested by myself.

The blue shows the flux path that does the inducting, when the generator is not conducting, and the red shows the hoped for flux path of the gen coil when it is conducting.



Edit....... ps I forgot the washers that space out the 2 pieces of the rotor.
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Hi,
I had this rough diagram I wanted to put out there for consumption. Although I think it is in the spirit of the first experiment in SkyWatchers latest thread, I thought it might be better if I posted it here so as not to be too bigger distraction.

It is a partial side view of an axial flux generator with a two piece rotor, that is bolted together, as it passes the gen coils. The hope here is that the flux made by the generator coil, ignores the rotor, and chooses it's closed circuit path. It's untried and untested by myself.

The blue shows the flux path that does the inducting, when the generator is not conducting, and the red shows the hoped for flux path of the gen coil when it is conducting.



Edit....... ps I forgot the washers that space out the 2 pieces of the rotor.


Dear colleague! Anti Lentz is a great "duck" of General science, tucked among those who are looking for the formula of their device. This figure correctly shows the formula of magnetic switching, their total vector, action-counteraction, rotor rotation, which will be minimal. But the magnetic flux in the core and how EMF is formed are fundamentally wrong. Apply the "right hand" rule to the solenoid core, to the electromagnet and as the receiving coil of the external field of excitation? You won't see the difference. The greater the external flow, the greater the attraction between the magnet and the core, and more EMF.
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Very funny, the man in the video said hypothetically he was way
over unity tho he said he had not finished by attaching a generator.

My question is base on the weight of the wheel tell us how much
he could get out of it. It is zero yes, which shows how absurd you
are in defending your position.

Answer plz. How much. See how incapable you are? There is no shame.

It is best to be evasive like you are doing since no bench work will follow.
Since you favor benchwork, do it and find out for yourself.

Or, go to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel , scroll down to the physics section and calculate it.
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Old 04-20-2019, 07:57 PM
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Hi,
I had this rough diagram I wanted to put out there for consumption. Although I think it is in the spirit of the first experiment in SkyWatchers latest thread, I thought it might be better if I posted it here so as not to be too bigger distraction.

It is a partial side view of an axial flux generator with a two piece rotor, that is bolted together, as it passes the gen coils. The hope here is that the flux made by the generator coil, ignores the rotor, and chooses it's closed circuit path. It's untried and untested by myself.

The blue shows the flux path that does the inducting, when the generator is not conducting, and the red shows the hoped for flux path of the gen coil when it is conducting.



Edit....... ps I forgot the washers that space out the 2 pieces of the rotor.
the design is fine, in fact in the network there is a configuration of this type that has only the magnets on the one hand, this configuration has been configured and working to have double pole its N and S by the inductive part of the core will be more V / amp.
when I visualized in other images of the network and had only one pole, I thought that why not close for the other end with the opposite pole.
You can also try the top where the coil is not, the nucleus can be separated as Mr. Alex does.
all these prototypes should be tried with a small replica and according to the results try to make one of larger size and capacity, as well as wind turbines from 1000w to 2500w or more, the advantage if built with this coil anti lenz would move easier .
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The device of the compensated two-phase generator of the increased efficiency Russian patent RF 2317628

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The disadvantage of existing synchronous machines is that the magnetic flux created by permanent magnets of the rotor poles crosses the conductors of the stator winding located in the grooves of the inner surface of the stator. In this case, the generated electrical power in the generator is equal to the required mechanical power supplied to the generator rotor (excluding energy losses in the stator and mechanical energy losses in the rotor).
In connection with the above, the efficiency of all existing synchronous generators is always less than one.

The technical result, to achieve which the present invention is directed, is to create simple in design two-phase electric generators with efficiency greater than one.
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the design is fine, in fact in the network there is a configuration of this type that has only the magnets on the one hand, this configuration has been configured and working to have double pole its N and S by the inductive part of the core will be more V / amp.
when I visualized in other images of the network and had only one pole, I thought that why not close for the other end with the opposite pole.
You can also try the top where the coil is not, the nucleus can be separated as Mr. Alex does.
all these prototypes should be tried with a small replica and according to the results try to make one of larger size and capacity, as well as wind turbines from 1000w to 2500w or more, the advantage if built with this coil anti lenz would move easier .
forward continue with your projects greetings
Hi Alex,
Thanks for the comments on the diagram. As far as whats out there on the network, I don't know, I only visit this site for alternate energy, I figure that most of the things out there will find their way here sooner or later.

The dual rotor test bed was a project I started working on and it was going to be used to test a few different inductors, One of which is a distant cousin of the Faraday's homo-polar generator, where the hope was it would output four times the voltage, and it would be AC. That project is on hold for now until I get access to better tools like drop saws and drill presses,

I have to ask, There is this guy called Alex, It looks like he is the inspiration for SkyWatchers latest thread, and also the above diagram, and also your name is Alex.
Are you that Alex?
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Dear colleague! Anti Lentz is a great "duck" of General science, tucked among those who are looking for the formula of their device. This figure correctly shows the formula of magnetic switching, their total vector, action-counteraction, rotor rotation, which will be minimal. But the magnetic flux in the core and how EMF is formed are fundamentally wrong. Apply the "right hand" rule to the solenoid core, to the electromagnet and as the receiving coil of the external field of excitation? You won't see the difference. The greater the external flow, the greater the attraction between the magnet and the core, and more EMF.
Hi Rakarskiy;
Thanks for the reference to the E core generator. Ill have to look into it more before I'll understand it properly.

cheers.
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Hi.
I hear that there are some interesting effects that can be observed by creating a delayed Lenz effect.

Here are some other ways a possible delay might be created.

1. For a relatively low voltage system. Split the two legs of the output coil into two, then hook them up to a relay. Not a great option because some conducting of the generator coils would be needed to switch on the relay, before the main discharge.

2 For higher voltage setups, there may be something lying around on the bench that could be used as lower voltage plasma switch, like a fist full of small neons, surge protectors, or a fluro light. I noticed that a lot of Gerrard Morin replications used the fluros.

3 For lower voltage, lower power setups. The output could be rectified and fed into a discharge circuit, made from tirmpots, an op amp comparitor, feeding a transistor or fet driver. This is my personal favorite for an idea because it can be tuned to discharge at any voltage along the inducted sine wave. So if speed up were to occur then the delay could continue to be shortened as the motor speeds up.

4 Or even a reed switch. Very fiddly, and not tunable.

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Here are some other ways a possible delay might be created.

1. For a relatively low voltage system. Split the two legs of the output coil into two, then hook them up to a relay. Not a great option because some conducting of the generator coils would be needed to switch on the relay, before the main discharge.



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What does a relay do in #1, split which legs? Are you assuming ppl
already know what you are thinking? Plz explain your way of delay.
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Hi Bro Mikey,
Caught your videos, nice work.
Yes I could have explained that a lot better. This schematic might help. The ideas I posted where speculative at best, and not tested by me yet.
The context here is trying to use generator coils as motor coils.

The kind of delay I was proposing, is preventing the generator coils from conducting immediately at the beginning of the induction cycle. The hope here is that while they don't conduct they are not producing a magnetic field that opposes the rotor on it's approach to TDC, and at that time, the cores might be polarized for attraction.

Then at some point in the induction cycle somewhere Between 0v and the peak of the first sine, depending on the coils inductance value relative to the rotor speed, the discharge happens. If it happens at just the right time while the core is reversing polarity to repulsion, it might neutralize the attraction at TCD and maybe even provides a push as it goes past.

The relay idea is a crude one to be sure, and it's not tunable, so the time taken to turn itself on is what creates the delay. If the effect were to happen at all, the relay coil would need to have relatively small inductance compared to the gen coil and the rotor would have to be going at just the right speed. I said it wasn't a great option because the coils would have to conduct enough to turn the relay on to make the intended discharge.



All the options where designed to do the same thing, just using different methods. In hinesight I can also see a problem with the third option, and think it would work better with a Hall Effect Sensor used in a similar way to how they are in motors. The center of the discharge would be determined by the position of the sensor, and the duration of the shot either side of the center could controlled electronically with the trimpots. The circuit might look something like this, but Ive only ever used it to switch conventional motor coils, and gets some serious heat issues if I try to switch much more than 4 amps or so.



Possibly more useful for people who's machines can't rotate fast enough to get their coils into the zone. A problem you don't seem to have using your methods. I'm looking forward to see what happens next.


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Yes shorting or discharging can produce the anti-lenz effect
while collecting energy back thru that relay switching.

Now I understand your goal.
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Why bother with all the electronics when you can get a coil to speed up under load simply by winding it correctly? You have several variables in your ideas you have not even worked out yet that will affect success. And NONE of it has been tested to see if it even works. Why not just do something we already KNOW works? If you want a no brain absolute solution to getting your coil right, and can't be bothered to build the one I have shown already working, just add a capacitor to a coil like they used to do in the good old days to increase its capacitance. A variable cap would be best. Adjust it util the coil speeds up under load. Done.
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Hi Alex,
Thanks for the comments on the diagram. As far as whats out there on the network, I don't know, I only visit this site for alternate energy, I figure that most of the things out there will find their way here sooner or later.

The dual rotor test bed was a project I started working on and it was going to be used to test a few different inductors, One of which is a distant cousin of the Faraday's homo-polar generator, where the hope was it would output four times the voltage, and it would be AC. That project is on hold for now until I get access to better tools like drop saws and drill presses,

I have to ask, There is this guy called Alex, It looks like he is the inspiration for SkyWatchers latest thread, and also the above diagram, and also your name is Alex.
Are you that Alex?
Hello lotec
thanks for the reply,
for the gentleman that you ask I am not that Alex, that man has several videos and very interesting projects, and announces his advances,
I am another user, very interested in the new generation of energy
of the coil project that shows what I'm going to do and I'll comment on the advances
see you soon
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Why bother with all the electronics when you can get a coil to speed up under load simply by winding it correctly? You have several variables in your ideas you have not even worked out yet that will affect success. And NONE of it has been tested to see if it even works. Why not just do something we already KNOW works? If you want a no brain absolute solution to getting your coil right, and can't be bothered to build the one I have shown already working, just add a capacitor to a coil like they used to do in the good old days to increase its capacitance. A variable cap would be best. Adjust it util the coil speeds up under load. Done.
Thanks Turion,
When you put it that way, why not indeed. The easiest solution is often the best and I like easy. That will be one of the first things I try when I get up and running.

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Author IVCHENKO, demonstrates and tells about the new engine with energy recovery. Energy recovery is displayed on the light bulb for demonstration. He claims. that by weight they managed to get 10 kW with a 3 kW motor without abnormal heating.
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In order to produce electricity in what we call a generator you must turn the rotor that has magnets on it past the coils. There are variations on how that is put together, but that is the basic idea. There are three basic problems you have to overcome to build a successful motor/generator combination. So let’s look at them one at a time.

The first experiment you need to try is simply to turn a rotor with magnets on it and see what your cost in watts over time will be. Then add a coil and see what the increase in watts over time will be. You must add at LEAST one more coil to even begin to do the math, and two or three more would help, but here is what you are going to see.

There is an upward curve in amp draw and a downward curve in rpm of the prime mover as it is affected by the iron in the cores that the rotor magnets travel past in their rotation. That downward curve has a relationship to the downward curve in production of the coils.

Then start doing some math. How many coils can you add before the amp draw exceeds what the prime mover is rated for. What will your production be at that point? Will it exceed the cost of running your motor at high amps? If it did, everybody would just run their generator with an electric motor.

So this is your first problem. How to eliminate the increased amp draw caused by the coils. Because the more coils you add the greater the amp draw. Luckily there are TWO solutions to this issue. One is mechanical and the other is electrical. The mechanical solution is magnetic neutralization which I have talked about until I am blue in the face. Simply explained, it means when a rotor magnet is attracted to the iron in the coil core, ANOTHER magnet in the rotor is aligned in repulsion to a magnet on the stater counteracting that attraction. The electrical solution is to LET the rotor magnet be attracted to the iron core, acting as a generator as the magnet is approaching, but once the two are aligned, fire the coil as a motor coil to push the magnet on past. Then once again allow it to act as a generator coil as the rotor magnet moves away. Switching and proper timing become critical.

The second issue is that when the generator is put under load, this is reflected back to the prime mover causing increased amp draw, a decrease in rpms, reduced output from the generator and, if you have enough coils on your generator, your motor will draw so many amps you will be able to roast marshmallows over the flames. The solution is to wind coils as we have shown that produce NO reaction in the prime mover. This has been explained in detail in several threads now. Wound in parallel but connected is series. The thing to remember is that RVERY coil has a speed at which it has NO self induction. So either keep increasing the speed until you are traveling fast enough for your coil, or wind you coil correctly.

Last problem is the heat generated by the coil cores. Change core material, figure out a way to transfer or dissipate the heat. Water works.

That’s it
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Author IVCHENKO, demonstrates and tells about the new engine with energy recovery. Energy recovery is displayed on the light bulb for demonstration. He claims. that by weight they managed to get 10 kW with a 3 kW motor without abnormal heating.
Looks like a 4sale sign video. Me no Russian, me English, me not buy
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In order to produce electricity in what we call a generator you must turn the rotor that has magnets on it past the coils.

if you have enough coils on your generator, your motor will draw so many amps you will be able to roast marshmallows over the flames.

Last problem is the heat generated by the coil cores. Change core material, figure out a way to transfer or dissipate the heat. Water works.
Even a washing machine motor rated at 1100watts has a cooling
mechanism built right into the rotor. They are called "FINS" or we will
call them blades/paddles that move the hot air out every second of
operation also drawing in cool air.

Motors rated at 2500 watts such as your would certainly need something
to dissipate normal heat build up. Even the smallest fan would help or
in this case a heat sink on each core since these motors are not like a
conventional one where all core poles are connected together on a single
piece of iron.


I was thinking of making the core 2" longer so it will extend out the back
of the coil away from the rotating apparatus where an aluminum sink
could be installed. I am afraid that will alter the coils field and change
production, have not tried it.
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I made my cores stick out the back 1”. Then I took the screw on cap off a Gatorade bottle and drilled a 3/4” hole in it. I stuck it on the back of the coil and epoxied it to the core. I also coated the end of the core so it was water tight. Then filled up the bottle about 3/4 full of water and put it on the core. Each core has its own bottle. Between the water cooling the core and the air cooling the water, I haven’t melted anymore coils. Fingers crossed. At $50.00 a coil that gets expensive when you melt 10-12 at a time.
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You need to be able to put your hand on the coils for a few seconds
without loosing any skin, I am sure you know this. Running 200 degree
wire at 125-140 degrees

All motors left without cooling will eventually burst into flames from the
constant build up of excess heat, it's gotta go. Anything over 100 watts.

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Huh?

I think you are confusing the motor with the generator, and you keep talking about heat issues in motors.

The MOTOR for my setup is the MY1020 Razor scooter motor running on 24 volts at around 12 amps. This is a motor rated for 30 amps, so running it at less than 50% of what it is rated for is no big deal. It is BUILT to run on higher amps and is no problem. It is OVER the "100 watts" you mentioned, but it is DESIGNED to run at over 100 watts, so your "limit" of 100 watts DOESN'T APPLY. It doesn't overheat, so we do NOT need to worry about the motor. There is NO HEAT ISSUE with the motor. Forget about motor.

The GENERATOR is a separate issue, and cooling fins on the motor aren't going to address what is going on with the generator. The heat issue in the generator is with the iron CORES in the coils. The constant changing from north to south when the magnet passes, causes changing magnetic flux and creates HEAT in the iron core. This heat melts the coil wires wrapped around that core, and now your generating coil is slag. Heat sinks are a possible solution, a water jacket is an easy fix, ferrite cores may be a solution. But "fins" on the rotor, which is the ONLY moving part in the generator, are NOT going to reduce heat in the iron cores by much, if ANY, since the entire iron core is encased in the plastic bobbin and wrapped with wire. Only the end would be exposed to the "fins" on the rotor to cool it, so good luck doing that with "fins". And fins on the rotor will cause air drag and COST you amp draw in the motor.
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