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It seems that Gerry Vassilatos was the first to put forward the notion of cold electricity and his theory was not very strong.
I have cold electricity references by that very term going back to the early 1900's before Gerry Vassilatos was born.

You are correct that a manifestation of so-callled cold electricity is voltage with little to no current. But, that is only ONE form and is not the type of cold electricity used or referenced in other situations.

Bedini showed a Kromrey G-Field generator at the conference where the coil core's were warm but the magnets went super cold while it was running blowing out cold air. It also went faster and faster the more it was loaded and when shorting it out, it has a brilliant pure white spark - no blue, red or green in it. This is a different form of cold electricity that has nothing to do with voltage without current. This is a time-reversal process.

I made an inductive resistor drop 5C below ambient temperature - someone claimed it was rf cooling - I don't know. But this also is not cold electricity from voltage without current because in that case, it simply generates little to no heat, but does not reverse temperate and start getting colder. My circuit did.

There are other examples including one circuit I have that has amps but no positive voltage so there are no watts and it charges an inductor to run a motor - the complete opposite of voltage without current and that is cold electricity.

You are misrepresenting Eric's view on things - he is sitting right here, but we're too busy for him to lay it out in this thread.
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You are amazingly helpful.

But rather than disparage my contributions to the conversation, might you add something useful?

I will modify almost any belief if your evidence is of such weight.

But that takes courage. Got courage?
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You are amazingly helpful.

But rather than disparage my contributions to the conversation, might you add something useful?

I will modify almost any belief if your evidence is of such weight.

But that takes courage. Got courage?
You're just as capable of helping yourself. Don't make it out that I'm not helpful because I won't pass on a message that you refuse to say yourself.

Anyway, I did pass on the message.

I've responded to your comments on the "hairpin circuit", for which Tesla has already given an explanation which is the one you don't want to believe, so there's nothing that I can say that would change your mind.
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wayne.ct started a legitimate thread about "Cold Electricity." As you stomp about blustering Tesla this and Tesla that - why not answer the thread author?

Make your mark, establish your spot in the dog park. Choose your fire hydrant accordingly.

Forget the hairpin circuit chief. What is Cold Electricity?
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I don't know. But what's certain is the fact that you can safely touch it doesn't automatically make it so. You had better hold tight to the live terminal because a loose grip will cause sparks. You will feel them. The holes that it burns in your skin is not due to cold. The small wires that it melts and burns up isn't due to cold either. Nor is the light produced by the bulb filament due to cold.

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And I believe that what a lot of people on this forum are describing as "cold electricity" is nothing more than the normal behavior of rf energy.
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I have cold electricity references by that very term going back to the early 1900's before Gerry Vassilatos was born.

You are correct that a manifestation of so-callled cold electricity is voltage with little to no current. But, that is only ONE form and is not the type of cold electricity used or referenced in other situations.

Bedini showed a Kromrey G-Field generator at the conference where the coil core's were warm but the magnets went super cold while it was running blowing out cold air. It also went faster and faster the more it was loaded and when shorting it out, it has a brilliant pure white spark - no blue, red or green in it. This is a different form of cold electricity that has nothing to do with voltage without current. This is a time-reversal process.

I made an inductive resistor drop 5C below ambient temperature - someone claimed it was rf cooling - I don't know. But this also is not cold electricity from voltage without current because in that case, it simply generates little to no heat, but does not reverse temperate and start getting colder. My circuit did.

There are other examples including one circuit I have that has amps but no positive voltage so there are no watts and it charges an inductor to run a motor - the complete opposite of voltage without current and that is cold electricity.
Great. That sounds just like what wayne.ct was asking for. Care to share any references, links, schematics, etc?
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Ten definitions vs. Four definitions

Aaron seems to concur. There is no single definition of cold electricity. That is something I suspected, but now it is clearly out in the open. We need meaningful phrases to describe what is meant when the term is used. Of course, some people will be unable to discuss this intelligently, but I expect I will be the recipient of unintelligent comments and will respond if and when I feel it is necessary.

Aaron has personally witnessed four experiments or devices that demonstrate what some are calling cold electricity? Not true?

1. High voltage with very low current. This is what makes the most sense to me.
2. Bedini's Kromrey G-Field device which cooled its magnets.
3. Aaron's inductive resistor build. (A thread on this forum is devoted to inductive resistor builds.)
4. Aaron's no watt circuit.

Aaron, are any of these sufficiently documented that the experimenter can readily replicate the experiment? Is this not a reasonable question?
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Aaron seems to concur. There is no single definition of cold electricity. That is something I suspected, but now it is clearly out in the open. We need meaningful phrases to describe what is meant when the term is used. Of course, some people will be unable to discuss this intelligently, but I expect I will be the recipient of unintelligent comments and will respond if and when I feel it is necessary.

Aaron has personally witnessed four experiments or devices that demonstrate what some are calling cold electricity? Not true?

1. High voltage with very low current. This is what makes the most sense to me.
2. Bedini's Kromrey G-Field device which cooled its magnets.
3. Aaron's inductive resistor build. (A thread on this forum is devoted to inductive resistor builds.)
4. Aaron's no watt circuit.

Aaron, are any of these sufficiently documented that the experimenter can readily replicate the experiment? Is this not a reasonable question?
For #1, anyone can see this with any circuit that generates the inductive spikes from a coil when it is switched off.

2. Demonstated in front of a live audience at the conference. There is enough info to replicate it in the Kromrey papers, etc. and all data is in there. John said it takes a bit of effort to get the coils right, but the know-how is all right there. Can't just go by the Kromrey patents - reference the papers too. Was demonstrated a lot in the 80's and is on film as part of the Classic Energy Videos package as well. Was at John's shop in Cali and Peter was there too way back then. The slower it went, the wider more current it produced over a longer pulse width but the height of the wave stayed the same.

3. That was all published openly around 2008-2009 or so in the Ainslie threads. A few people saw it. Most people were trying to make overunity heat, which was my original attempt. When I started driving the mosfet with an intentionally underpowered 555 circuit, it went into some strange oscillations and went cold. I was using high end platinum thermocouplers. One in a control identical inductive resistor on the bench and the other probe in the experiment one. The experiment went 5c below ambient while the control stayed stable. The probes are impervious to emf influence.

4. Only a couple people know about this and it will stay that way until I have time to scale it up a bit and do more tests.

"Real" cold electricity I think is electron current actually moving from positive to negative in reverse fashion with negative voltage. You get the benefits of current to charge an inductor but there is an absence of the positive voltage pressure to potentialize the electrons in a forward direction. So heat will move towards the circuit and contribute it's potential instead of heat leaving the circuit. That's the basic idea anyway, but there are no experts in cold electricity.
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"Only a couple people know about this and it will stay that way until I have time to scale it up a bit and do more tests."

What he is really saying is that... I am in the room with the elephant, let me turn on a few more lights so I can get a better look. Then I will publish a comprehensive Secrets e-book for a nominal fee. Then you will all be in the know.

Aaron - take NO offense at this, it is the American capitalist way. We may all die while others covet "Secrets" until they pay out sufficient sums of dollars. But hey, we understand, you have bills to pay.

But here is the take away for all who are observing this thread. Cold Electricity is a real phenomena.
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Tesla knew exactly what it is. He worked on this for many years starting from fixing Edison generators with the clever high frequency choke. Then of course Edison patented thsi design and Tesla was never compensated for his hard work... There is no magic , electricity is one, there aren't two kinds, but various method of manifestations and...various sources
The explanation is simple but too simple and you wouldn't believe ;-)
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Aaron said:
"Only a couple people know about this and it will stay that way until I have time to scale it up a bit and do more tests."

What he is really saying is that... I am in the room with the elephant, let me turn on a few more lights so I can get a better look. Then I will publish a comprehensive Secrets e-book for a nominal fee. Then you will all be in the know.

Aaron - take NO offense at this, it is the American capitalist way. We may all die while others covet "Secrets" until they pay out sufficient sums of dollars. But hey, we understand, you have bills to pay.

But here is the take away for all who are observing this thread. Cold Electricity is a real phenomena.
What I am actually saying is that I'm not going to waste anyone's time with this circuit that has been tested at flea power levels and will offer it up when I know it is actually worth pursuing.

And even if I do offer it in a book, that has nothing to do with capitalism - that is entrepreneurial free enterprise. If I was a capitalist, I would literally be looking to put my money into something that would simply earn more money without contributing anything other than my investment. That is what capitalism is - using capital to get ahead.

Bills to pay? Why don't you quit your job and beg for donations. Or better yet, why not continue what you do on a volunteer basis and see how long it is until you're on food stamps. This isn't a hobby for me - I closed down my nutrition store to do all of this full time. If it is a hobby for you, that is fine, you have another source of income, but I don't so keep your sarcastic ramblings to yourself. It is that attitude that gives me an incentive to simply keep it to myself. If you get it in a book at any cost, you are lucky to even know what it is at any price but you obviously are not able to appreciate the fact that its not taken to the grave.
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cap·i·tal·ism
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Private Owners for profit.


There is this prevailing attitude than many in this field freely collaborate, when in reality its far more about facilitating a low cost way to catalyze their own thinking, bringing gain for themselves. Forums can be like that. You take the chances by underwriting the cost, so its your privilege.

"Only a couple people know about this and it will stay that way until I have time to scale it up a bit and do more tests."
"What I am actually saying is that I'm not going to waste anyone's time with this circuit that has been tested at flea power levels and will offer it up when I know it is actually worth pursuing."


I am doing my best to get your meaning - because you do really have great explanations in this challenging field - but these two statements are miles apart.

Sooner or later if we want this field to progress in a larger sense, everyone will need to be more about freely sharing experimental observations and less about guarding existing beliefs, deity inventors, or capitalistic interest. How many people need to die with their secrets before we all learn?

And based on your last note about value of pursuing? Why not just release your observation to the world?

Not sarcasm here, just a truth. I am one of your customers, and your attitude in your post, will not help you sell books. I would hope that you work in your field out of love of the subject matter and the meaning it produces for you - otherwise make a new choice.

I only came to this thread to learn how others oriented around Cold Electricity. I apologize to wayne.ct that my presence has produced some non-Cold Electricity clutter.
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Thanks to all who commented in this thread. I consider that my main question has been answered to my satisfaction. Each reader can draw their own conclusion. I consider Aaron's comments to be authoritative since he has had a "front row" seat in this field for many years now, in addition to doing experiments and hosting various venues, including this forum.

Thanks, Aaron.

I don't really like these long threads that ramble on and on with one distraction after another and wander far from the original subject. It would be fine with me, Aaron, if you lock this thread and cut off further comments.
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"What I am actually saying is that I'm not going to waste anyone's time with this circuit that has been tested at flea power levels and will offer it up when I know it is actually worth pursuing."


I am doing my best to get your meaning
It looks to me like he's saying that only a couple of people happened to be in the vicinity to see whatever it was at the time, and when he is able to establish that it's actually of any value and not a waste of time and effort then more people will get to know about it.

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As soon as the rest of the population joins in and offers their work and materials and equipment and everything else for free, then we're good to go.

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Can we get back to the discussion of Cold Electricity?

Many years ago after building and testing some Bedini circuits I noticed that the negative terminal on the charging lead acid battery would assume a temperature of 1-3 degrees colder than the positive terminal (while charging). These circuits were before implementing any kind of cap discharge circuit.

I ran these test many times and took a measurements before running the test (after the battery had sat for days) and at hourly intervals while running. Like clockwork... the negative terminal became "colder" than the positive terminal.

At the time, I didn't assign much of an explanation because I was still amazed as to being able to build the circuits at all, and make them work (Thank you John Bedini).

So here is my question? Would we consider that this kind of result could be evidence of a different kind of energy than typical battery charging? And for that matter - none of the batteries that I charged with Bedini technology ever seemed to get warm, like conventional charging.

In addition to the lower temperature noted... there were many other phenomena that were noted that were unique, versus conventional battery charging.
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Can we get back to the discussion of Cold Electricity?

Many years ago after building and testing some Bedini circuits I noticed that the negative terminal on the charging lead acid battery would assume a temperature of 1-3 degrees colder than the positive terminal (while charging). These circuits were before implementing any kind of cap discharge circuit.

I ran these test many times and took a measurements before running the test (after the battery had sat for days) and at hourly intervals while running. Like clockwork... the negative terminal became "colder" than the positive terminal.

At the time, I didn't assign much of an explanation because I was still amazed as to being able to build the circuits at all, and make them work (Thank you John Bedini).

So here is my question? Would we consider that this kind of result could be evidence of a different kind of energy than typical battery charging? And for that matter - none of the batteries that I charged with Bedini technology ever seemed to get warm, like conventional charging.

In addition to the lower temperature noted... there were many other phenomena that were noted that were unique, versus conventional battery charging.
Did you record the ambient temperature also? Comparing both to ambient rather than to each other would be more informative. Hot and cold are relative terms. But relative to what?
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There is this prevailing attitude than many in this field freely collaborate, when in reality its far more about facilitating a low cost way to catalyze their own thinking, bringing gain for themselves. Forums can be like that. You take the chances by underwriting the cost, so its your privilege.

"Only a couple people know about this and it will stay that way until I have time to scale it up a bit and do more tests."
"What I am actually saying is that I'm not going to waste anyone's time with this circuit that has been tested at flea power levels and will offer it up when I know it is actually worth pursuing."


I am doing my best to get your meaning - because you do really have great explanations in this challenging field - but these two statements are miles apart.

Sooner or later if we want this field to progress in a larger sense, everyone will need to be more about freely sharing experimental observations and less about guarding existing beliefs, deity inventors, or capitalistic interest. How many people need to die with their secrets before we all learn?

And based on your last note about value of pursuing? Why not just release your observation to the world?

Not sarcasm here, just a truth. I am one of your customers, and your attitude in your post, will not help you sell books. I would hope that you work in your field out of love of the subject matter and the meaning it produces for you - otherwise make a new choice.

I only came to this thread to learn how others oriented around Cold Electricity. I apologize to wayne.ct that my presence has produced some non-Cold Electricity clutter.
I responded here so that this thread isn't knocked off track: Capitalism Myth

In regards to "cold electricity", the Kromrey G-Field generator is probably the most blatant demonstration that any of us will get our hands on and all information on how to do it has been freely given in this forum over the years. Search for the Kromrey papers - there are 2 or 3 and then there are the patents.
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Did you record the ambient temperature also? Comparing both to ambient rather than to each other would be more informative. Hot and cold are relative terms. But relative to what?
Ambient as a marker may be helpful, but when you see a battery or cap start out at a certain temperature, and grow colder to the touch in the space of 1-3 minutes, there is something besides conventional electricity at work, the way I see it.
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Ambient as a marker may be helpful, but when you see a battery or cap start out at a certain temperature, and grow colder to the touch in the space of 1-3 minutes, there is something besides conventional electricity at work, the way I see it.
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Agreed. But all he said was 'the negative terminal became "colder" than the positive terminal.' I guess we would have to see the numbers. If the positive terminal was getting hotter, the negative terminal would be "colder" and the difference would be getting larger without the negative actually changing.
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The thermoelectric effect has a curious similarity.
wikipedia helps define thermoelectric effect
The term "thermoelectric effect" encompasses three separately identified effects: the Seebeck effect, Peltier effect, and Thomson effect. Textbooks may refer to it as the Peltier–Seebeck effect. This separation derives from the independent discoveries of French physicist Jean Charles Athanase Peltier and Baltic German physicist Thomas Johann Seebeck. Joule heating, the heat that is generated whenever a current is passed through a resistive material, is related, though it is not generally termed a thermoelectric effect. The Peltier–Seebeck and Thomson effects are thermodynamically reversible,[1] whereas Joule heating is not.

A junction of different metals can transform heat into electricity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQUY_bs59a4

same thing with a PN junction peltier,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvBeCCjb9ds

The relationship of the T-ambient of the peltier effect with the T-ambient of some species of cold electricity remains phenomena.
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The battery started out (positive and negative terminal) was identical to the ambient air.

As the circuit ran, the only temperature that changed was the negative terminal. It lowered 1-3 degrees. Power was removed, all temperatures returned to be identical (over the course of the following day). Upon repeating the experiment the same results were observed.
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The battery started out (positive and negative terminal) was identical to the ambient air.

As the circuit ran, the only temperature that changed was the negative terminal. It lowered 1-3 degrees. Power was removed, all temperatures returned to be identical (over the course of the following day). Upon repeating the experiment the same results were observed.
That clears it up. Sounds like what has been reported as "cold electricity" to me. I was going to say "cool electricity" because that's not much of a change compared to the icing reported but the icing was on shorted wires which would have a much smaller area and mass than the battery plates attached to the terminal. So I think you're right.

The Peltier and Seebeck effects work at the interface between two different materials. Here we have the plate and the electrolyte. Were these lead acid batteries?

I know that desulfation occurs when using the Bedini machines with lead acid batteries and that ions are released from the plate deposits to recombine with the electrolyte in the desulfation process. I'm wondering if that process is endothermic. The normal discharging and charging that causes the sulfation is exothermic so it seems reasonable that the desulfation would be endothermic to some extent. But I just don't know. Anyone?
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A little more on seebeck nano
Advancement has been made in using semiconductor material for junctions.
It is believed that the geometry of flow and density through the material lattice provides separation.
The resonance is preferred a little higher at the fermi level with nanostructures.
It was found that this resonance is between the occupied and unoccupied states.

In discussing the seebeck effect the challenge has been to adjust the materials so that the electrons (current)
moves along a path (believed to be zig zag) and the phonons (heat) disperse in a highly scattered path if possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...BO0atnVg#t=437

Some devices as a solar application combines PV, TEC and heat exchanger
to heat water. A Chinese technology that is beginning to surface as spin off from space technology.
It can be seen that phonon and electron pathways are handled separately.
This dual path for electrons with charge carriers and alternative path with phonons dissipating a gradient
tend to help each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur..._JXO3_r4#t=802

Cold electricity usually part of a HV tesla experiment with by it's gaseous light effects may still have some
relatioship to the low voltage thermo electric cell. By using specific materials under certain conditions a separation
either by mechanical or nanstructured of the movement of electron with charge carrier and the
phonon (heat) that diffuses thru the material at a slower rate cause one side to draw heat and removing
even more heat from the opposite side (removing heat refers to making it cold).
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But, cold electricity is nothing more or less than high voltage, low current circuitry.
Hi wayne.ct

i will just focus on the above quoted words, cold electricity form a kind of derivative of Radiant electric energy, the same as electromagnetic waves that induce alternative electric energy, in cold electricity we have to deal with electrostatic induction which is a bit unknown ( at least for me ) so the voltage and current flow perpendicular to each other, this resemble ordinary capacitor if the charges are the voltage the electric field play the role of current, so it's very difficult to measure radiant current since it don't exist on the wire itself but present in the surrounding space!
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Lead Acid batteries.
I did a little research. Sulfation is the collection of sulfur from the sulfuric acid electrolyte on the plates in the battery. It has different bonding strengths depending on how long the battery is neglected.

The first level of bonding is weakest and is handled with normal charging and discharging of the battery.

The second level of bonding is stronger and occurs when the battery remains under charged for some period of time. This bonding can be broken with "equalization" charging which is a bit higher voltage than the normal charging routine.

The third level of bonding is stronger yet and occurs when a battery is already at level two and remains in that state for several months. Over time the bonding grows stronger.

Desulfation uses higher voltages to weaken those bonds and cause the sulfur to be released from the plates and recombine with the electrolyte.

An endothermic reaction is one that takes more energy to create than the reaction releases, i.e. it absorbs energy thereby removing heat from the environment in which the reaction takes place.

So if your lead acid batteries had level two or three sulfur bonding I'm guessing it took more energy to weaken those bonds than the bond breaking released which would be endothermic and would account for the slightly cooling terminals.

I'm no chemist so if anyone has more info please inform us.
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"Cold electricity" from demagnetization

This seems very relevant to this thread. The paper at the following link is a bit hard to read because it is English translated from Russian. If I understand it correctly he is saying that demagnetization converts some of the heat energy from the environment to electrical energy and the electricity generated from the demagnetization is larger than the electricity used to create the magnetic field that is collapsing.

Converting heat energy to electricity would be removing heat from the environment, so cooling. As I understand it, it requires very sharp rise and fall times of pulses which is what one would get when shorting two wires together if they were draining capacitors. If it were powerful enough and fast enough it might cause the icing on the wires that was reported.

Inductive conversion of heat environmental energy to electrical energy
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This seems very relevant to this thread. The paper at the following link is a bit hard to read because it is English translated from Russian. If I understand it correctly he is saying that demagnetization converts some of the heat energy from the environment to electrical energy and the electricity generated from the demagnetization is larger than the electricity used to create the magnetic field that is collapsing.

Converting heat energy to electricity would be removing heat from the environment, so cooling. As I understand it, it requires very sharp rise and fall times of pulses which is what one would get when shorting two wires together if they were draining capacitors. If it were powerful enough and fast enough it might cause the icing on the wires that was reported.

Inductive conversion of heat environmental energy to electrical energy

Awesome link there, lots of formulas and specifics. Thanks
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There are forms of atmospheric cold plasma which is voltage with very little current.
This cold plasma has been useful in sterilizing food and in biomedical surgery.
also
Some of the natural forms of cold electricity manifest in the upper atmosphere
called sprite lightning and elves. These are part of the global electrical circuit.
It has been mentioned that some forms of electrical species disappear in part.
Some think that the missing parts combine into the global electric circuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn3SkCzMj5g

Like many pieces to a puzzle basic research tries to answer one question at a time.
Finding a unified theory in my opinion will come much later.
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