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Old 08-30-2015, 09:56 PM
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Tesla's bifiliar coil VS Nasa's 'new' amplifier.

Can't find any results on this.
Has anyone tried comparing and measuring them yet ?

If so please share you're results and if not you're thoughts.

Src ; Exploring the Quantum World | NASA
Src; A New Look at Tesla BiFilar Coil - AETHERFORCE




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Since picture is 'flat' it might be possible that they actually refer towards the 'forgotten coil'



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ironically it looks just like Tesla’s BiFilar coil except…. it is wired differently
"Ironically", a pattern that resembles someone's face in the clouds is just like a person's face in every way except... It is a cloud.

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The Tesla coil is wound in the same direction. The NASA coil is wound in opposite directions.

Why would someone make a comparison or think of them in the same context?

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Hold a pebble in one hand, and a seed in the other, and think of all the ways they are the same, but different.

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I'd might as well also mention that the coil in the background is not the coil that's spoken about.

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Old 08-31-2015, 12:20 PM
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Try... nantenna and/or rectenna

Considerably different than the tesla bifillar
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Pebbles and Bananas...

Good 'dilemma'...and thread!

The fact is that its MAIN EMBODIMENT is just IDENTICAL to Tesla's Bifilar Coil.

Small details, like joining the inner center small wires, or winding it in "Reversed Engineering Mode" DON'T make such a big difference over the MAIN STRUCTURE, EMBODIMENT or else.

We could have it painted PINK...and still is the same deal. So its 'connections' could be varied and so what?...we could "apply" for a "New Patent"?

Obviously NOT!.

As an example in USPTO Rules to grant or not to grant a Patent to its similar Application, it is based on MAIN EMBODIMENT, STRUCTURE and then "Utility" or what it is used for?

This avoid that a "creative mind" (actually a Troll) could just change a few obvious small details and get away with a Patent which in fact is just a Copy Cat of the ORIGINAL and OLDER Idea protected by Patent Laws...

If We put one next to each other, the average person would say it is the Same thing.

This "case" is not related to "Clouds" "Pebbles" nor Bananas...as Mr Green considers...but "a bit" more sophisticated "apparatuses" comparisons ...


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The fact is that its MAIN EMBODIMENT is just IDENTICAL to Tesla's Bifilar Coil.
Yes. It's a circle.

Beyond that, unfortunately we're not at nursery any more so the right answers are not found through putting the right shape in the right hole.

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Yes. It's a circle.

Beyond that, unfortunately we're not at nursery any more so the right answers are not found through putting the right shape in the right hole.

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Sorry Sir...but that is not JUST a "Circle"...it is a DISC Shaped and Flat Coil. Meaning, only one layer...not cylindrical (like most) etc,etc...plus not having a Core either.

Circle does not describes Accurately the Geometrical Shapes of this design spoken here.

All rounded Coils "contain" "Circles" on them...unless square or rectangular.

Related to the picture drawn by you above...I could say you are still in the Kindergarten stage...or "Nursery Time"...
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Same directional winding. Just no terminations extending out of the center. Its a ying/yang center. More field focus from what I see. The Nasa coil is not made up of plain copper and they supercool it. That makes this coil a different animal. They also wanted zero resistance. If the terminations extended out over the coils field that would have given them resistance and wave interference to an extent..
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Same directional winding. Just no terminations extending out of the center. Its a ying/yang center.
Which is where, if you follow the winding around, it switches to the opposite direction.

Not to mention Yin Yang are opposites
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Do they alternate a pulse feed from both sides or do they feed it from only one side? Maybe it's just a conductor that has a net zero magnetic field?
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it switches to the opposite direction.

Not to mention Yin Yang are opposites
Its one sheathed wire wound ccw from the center. The external terminations follow a cw direction inward if thats what your saying about the opposite direction.

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Which is happening at the center. One part goes cw the other ccw.
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Its one sheathed wire wound ccw from the center. The external terminations follow a cw direction inward if thats what your saying about the opposite direction.


Which is happening at the center. One part goes cw the other ccw.
Yes I see what you're saying, from the point of view of the centre, but there's no electrical connection or any kind of termination at the centre. If a wave travels from one end of the wire to the other, then it changes direction of rotation in the centre.

The point still being that it has nothing to do with Tesla's bifilar coil.
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The point still being that it has nothing to do with Tesla's bifilar coil.
Yep! Its a different animal for sure.
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Old 09-01-2015, 11:33 PM
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How does Tesla's coil work? It creates a field in the primary which opposes the feild in the second or parallel wind, creating less loss? Or stronger field?
This coil might create a field of polarity and then reverse before it gets half way through the wire, (conductor)?
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Old 09-02-2015, 06:15 AM
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Reading this discussion, one may conclude that some of the participants have never read the Tesla patent.
There is a reason for winding it the way it is wound. A very specific reason, giving it a very specific purpose.
That purpose is by no means obtained with the NASA coil.
These are two entirely different things, with very likely, very different design considerations behind them.
Therefore my guess is that these two designers can apply for two different patents.


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Reading this discussion, one may conclude that some of the participants have never read the Tesla patent.
There is a reason for winding it the way it is wound. A very specific reason, giving it a very specific purpose.
That purpose is by no means obtained with the NASA coil.
These are two entirely different things, with very likely, very different design considerations behind them.
Therefore my guess is that these two designers can apply for two different patents.


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I agree that the specific end use for the NASA coil is not what Tesla intended.
for his experiments. There are several similarities in spiral pancake design which lend to
certain waves and in particular some in the upper atmosphere and in certain spark gaps.

I also agree that most NASA scientist who study electro-dynamics have no
clue what Tesla describes in the pancake patents because the conventional
mindset that gives little credit to aether.

picture from Jeff Behary, no scope shot available

FischerFlamingArc_2.jpg

Also the phenomena of the dust ring spiral coming off magnetically contained
electrostatic field has been postulated that saturn's rings are of this nature.
Also toroidial leaping fields from spark gaps yet another and plasma phenomena.
e-fields and pancake geometries in space, electro gravitics ect

There is evidence that some scientist have gone beyond Tesla
in developing instrumentation for those specific effects that spiral pancakes
tend to receive well.

How Tesla could ever comprehend so much in aether science is amazing.
Also ancient artefacts depicting geometries and related mathematics are specific
to the various natural mediums in the aether these are yet to be rediscovered.

These are a few thoughts that compare NASA pancake spiral
but I leave the contrast of the Tesla pancake spiral to the reader.
Godspeed to all trying to advance the aetheric science for the benefit of humanity.
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Old 09-07-2015, 03:20 AM
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The special characteristic of Tesla's bifilar coil (patent 512340, look it up) is not in the fact that it is a flat spiral or pancake coil.
In his patents Tesla does not talk about
- special waves
- (upper) atmosphere
- (a)ether
- special spark gaps
- dust ring spirals
- a magnetically contained electrostatic field
- saturn's rings
- toroidial leaping fields
- electro gravitics

So I take it that this all comes from your experiments, Microvolt?

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Ps. I did not immediately recognize Jeff Behary from that picture.
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Old 09-07-2015, 09:43 PM
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Depends on how you look at it. The spiral itself of the NASA design
can be compared. Looking at only the Tesla coil from Ernst view point
is very limited to Ernst understanding. I have read the patent many times
like others and there are appropriate discussions, 512,340 being one.

Tesla's Bifilar Pancake Coils

There is no shortage of contrast to Tesla so I will let the reader
become informed about the Tesla bifilar coil if they need to.

The confrontational manner tends to heat up a thread temporarily.
It is my hope that I will reach someone who will see a relationship.
It is my understanding that the author wanted feedback and if they
read the articles they posted then they can also search and find the references.
the ability to integrate rather than differentiate what is discussed with what they have experienced.
My limited experience with the spiral suggests to me that "form and function"
play some role in the experiments listed.
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:07 AM
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Your response is a complete riddle to me.
A riddle that I will leave for others to solve.


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Old 09-13-2015, 07:24 AM
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Since picture is 'flat' it might be possible that they actually refer towards the 'forgotten coil'



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Since picture is 'flat' it might be possible that they actually refer towards the 'forgotten coil'



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The orgone energy is even less known unpublished with regard applications
using specialized wide band circular polarized equipment.

here is a picture that shows the vectors of one handed (right or left handed) emission.
the opposite hand the vectors point inward. This is why as a radio antenna application the
feed point is a the end a dipole fashioned in a spiral.

F2.large.jpg

Below is some more visualization for emission for that particular forgotten model.
Those who are more visual can better grasp basic Tesla bipolar vectors.
Also you probably heard of Marko Rodin's coil used as an antenna.
Applications to orgone energy have slightly different design
in that some natural energies can use a signal to help form an aetheric pathway.

The field does not have much other than the difficult task of sorting out the imagery into
a possible recognition pattern which may not be helpful.

FVTD

Because the applications are very remote from what Tesla's patent describes as an improvement
and skilfully describes in mathematical terms the electromagnetic properties such as in capacitive and
inductive reactance.

The A vs B approach is limited to contrast a patent (a new and useful description of a model) to a specific application that
that did not exist at that time or has been lost. It seems the tesla emission contrasts as bidirectional combined in a single coil.
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The Tesla "Coil For Electro-Magnets" patent is not restricted to spiral coils, it refers to all coils. The spiral coil is mainly shown for ease of visualization.

Patent https://www.google.com/patents/US512340

Patent extract.
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I would here state that by the term coils I desire to include generally helices, solenoids, or, in fact, any conductor the different parts of which by the requirements of its application or use are brought into such relations with each other as to materially increase the self-induction.
A Tesla "Coil For Electro-Magnets" can be a helical coil or a solenoid ect..

People should not think of a Tesla "Coil for Electro-Magnets" as only spiral coils because that is absolutely wrong.

..

Anyway it says right there in the article that the main features of the
researchers instrument is the superconducting materials they used to make it.
The coil shown may not even be the same as that used as it may also be
just for visualization purposes.

Gee wizz.
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