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Old 08-30-2015, 01:09 AM
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World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar

No this is NOT a shake light and is NOT a light you need to wind up. It does NOT need Sunlight. You just turn on the tail switch and it puts out 120 Lumens. After about 12 hours of runtime it will start to weaken so you just turn it off and let it sit a while. NO Recharging by any external source is needed except what it gets from the Earth magnetic field and from what I understand probably also gets some power from EMF or electronic pollution by all the electronic devices around us. Either that or some more exotic sources. And YES they are available for sale right now from what I can see. Web site below. $99 This is not an Overunity or COP > 1 device as far as I know. It appears to get it's power from fields around it and would appear to do so in a very efficient way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc

ADGEX online-shop > Trade > ELFE - Emmits Light Using Free Energy

I have no association with them - just found the video of it on youtube. Great way to help the planet and stop toxic throw away battery pollution.
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Interesting , There must be a patent for this? I would like to know how it works.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:36 AM
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No this is NOT a shake light and is NOT a light you need to wind up. It does NOT need Sunlight. You just turn on the tail switch and it puts out 120 Lumens. After about 12 hours of runtime it will start to weaken so you just turn it off and let it sit a while. NO Recharging by any external source is needed except what it gets from the Earth magnetic field and from what I understand probably also gets some power from EMF or electronic pollution by all the electronic devices around us. Either that or some more exotic sources. And YES they are available for sale right now from what I can see. Web site below. $99 This is not an Overunity or COP > 1 device as far as I know. It appears to get it's power from fields around it and would appear to do so in a very efficient way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc

ADGEX online-shop > Trade > ELFE - Emmits Light Using Free Energy

I have no association with them - just found the video of it on youtube. Great way to help the planet and stop toxic throw away battery pollution.
Hi! thanks for the valuable info, i think it's not difficult to achieve over unity in small scale, we still don't know how this device work since it seem to be a protected info, the price is expensive somehow but in emergency this device is great !
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Can someone explain how or why this thing is considered and presented here as "real" free energy because it "uses no external power source EXCEPT the earth and EM pollution" (so in fact it absolutely depends on an external power source), when a solar panel or wind turbine is not considered to be real free energy?

What makes it "real" free energy in comparison?

I have no particular interest in discussing the device but are people aware of what they're writing?
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Good find Ewizard,
It's just too bad they didn't open source this. All energy needs could come from this. Transportation, residential, commercial, any area we need.

Another planet saving source is so close but so far away?

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Good find Ewizard,
It's just too bad they didn't open source this. All energy needs could come from this. Transportation, residential, commercial, any area we need.

Another planet saving source is so close but so far away?

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What??? It is $99 away. Is that so far? If you think it is so great, buy one. Maybe it has a patent # printed on it. If so, let us know what that is. If not, all the better. Either way, it is not illegal to disassemble it and publish photos or descriptions of how it functions.

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Can someone explain how or why this thing is considered and presented here as "real" free energy because it "uses no external power source EXCEPT the earth and EM pollution" (so in fact it absolutely depends on an external power source), when a solar panel or wind turbine is not considered to be real free energy?

What makes it "real" free energy in comparison?

I have no particular interest in discussing the device but are people aware of what they're writing?
Just quoting their web site / video. Solar, wind etc are free energy - not to be confused with overunity. But so are other sources like EM fields. So what is the problem? They are marketing - trying to get attention for a new source. I've got a solar flashlight as well as a shake light and wind up light. All free energy but this is a new source it would seem and not dependent on sunlight or having to shake or wind it. I think that qualifies it for a little marketing hype to get attention.

Beside that I have to wonder if this isn't something truly unique and this is a way of introducing it without getting the attention of sort of big corporations that do not want anything like this getting into the mainstream.
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What??? It is $99 away. Is that so far? If you think it is so great, buy one. Maybe it has a patent # printed on it. If so, let us know what that is. If not, all the better. Either way, it is not illegal to disassemble it and publish photos or descriptions of how it functions.

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I probably would buy one but just spent over $40 for a flashlight last week to add to my collection of 85+ flashlights. Besides I've got 900 Lumen lights that are less than 3 inches long and 1 inch in diameter.
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Just quoting their web site / video. Solar, wind etc are free energy - not to be confused with overunity. But so are other sources like EM fields. So what is the problem? They are marketing - trying to get attention for a new source. I've got a solar flashlight as well as a shake light and wind up light. All free energy but this is a new source it would seem and not dependent on sunlight or having to shake or wind it. I think that qualifies it for a little marketing hype to get attention.
So it's not the world's first real free energy flashlight. Not even close.

I mentioned wind and solar in relation to the claim "world's first real free energy", which we've just established is 100% fiction and lies.

Marketing for hype is one thing, but one would tend to hope that it's based on reality. False advertising leads to lawsuits.
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What??? It is $99 away. Is that so far? If you think it is so great, buy one. Maybe it has a patent # printed on it. If so, let us know what that is. If not, all the better. Either way, it is not illegal to disassemble it and publish photos or descriptions of how it functions.

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Please do purchase one and back engineer it for us. I gladly follow your instructions when you post them.

My opinion of this product carries no credit when I don't own one nor have I tested it. But don't belittle my thoughts of so many inventions that have taken this same path.

Don't challenge here something you can do yourself.
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Please do purchase one and back engineer it for us. I gladly follow your instructions when you post them.

My opinion of this product carries no credit when I don't own one nor have I tested it. But don't belittle my thoughts of so many inventions that have taken this same path.

Don't challenge here something you can do yourself.
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Hi wantomake,

I just found it odd that something you can get for less than a hundred dollars you believe holds a secret to save our planet and consider it so difficult to obtain. I meant no offense. Just saying; it appears easy for you to discover their secret. Me, on the other hand, I am a skeptic. I have no doubt it is a cheap piece of crap sold by the decedents of the guys who sold me the mail-order x-ray vision glasses from the comic book ad when I was 7 years old. Once is enough for me.

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"Free energy" for not free 99$ while you can built one for just a few dollars or for no money if you have simple spare parts in your electronic lab.
However, make sure to be in an area with high density of electromagnetic waves like a city centre, where you have a lot of light anyway. Forget about it working well in a desert, deep forest or mountains.
Simple converter of electromagnetic waves to current. I forget which company is selling the IC which does it, please remind me.
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dR_Green is right - it isn't the first free energy device because solar, wind and hydro are all real free energy devices that have been around for ages.

The only patent by this company that I can find is related to a railway system. The rest they say stays proprietary.

We know there are small energy harvesting circuits with diodes and caps and ones that make the news: German student creates electromagnetic harvester that gathers free electricity from thin air | ExtremeTech - that will charge a AA battery in a day. That would be all that is needed to make a light like that practical.

If the flashlight works as claimed, it is probably something along those lines.

They have a lot of interesting claims about what they have... here are a couple that I believe may be related to this flashlight:

August 2014, ADGEX has acquired Exclusive rights to the technology named “Free Renewable Energy”. Autonomous power supply sources and alternative methods of energy generation.

There are no patents for these that I could find as "Free Renewable Energy" says a lot but says nothing at all at the same time. lol

Someone would have to get one and dismantle it to see what it is.

Here is their page about these autonomous power supplies and what they power: ADGEX > our businesses > Adgex Energy

Specific to the flashlight:

Technology of autonomous lighting devices and low-power sources
Technology of autonomous LED lighting is based on capture of natural electromagnetic shock waves. The capture is provided by special reflectors. Generated power is capable to light LEDs or supply current to relatively low-power devices. Lifetime of the lighting system using LEDs is limited by operation life of the LEDs only.



If you speak Russian, this is a presentation on this light - title in English is:
Presentation of the self-loading Lantern ELFE July 30, 2015






Short commercial about it - English title is:

Presentation of the self-loading Lantern ELFE July 30, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJLerDDPXcE


Press release for the flashlight:
ADGEX > News - THE WORLDWIDE SENSATION – ON THE 25TH OF MAY 2015 ADGEX STARTS SALES OF TORCH THE FIRST IN THE WORLD USING NEW PRINCIPLE OF SELF-CHARGE.


THE WORLDWIDE SENSATION – ON THE 25TH OF MAY 2015 ADGEX STARTS SALES OF TORCH THE FIRST IN THE WORLD USING NEW PRINCIPLE OF SELF-CHARGE.


Friday, May 15, 2015




Board of ADGEX Ltd. Is pleased to announce that ADGEX Energy branch starts sales first in the world using new principle of self-charge.


The prime presentation will be organized over online trade website http://trade.adgex.com/ on the 25 of May 2015.


On the 1st of May 2015 ADGEX has filed the Australian provisional patent application "METHOD OF CHARGING BATTERIES AND THE CHARGER". This invention is significant milestone as this it is based on revolutionary new technological principles used to charge batteries and in autonomous lighting devices.



Very shortly ADGEX Energy is going to bring new autonomous sources of light and charging devices to market. The first of such sort of devices will be torch, manufacturing of which is already started.



This is first worldwide sensation, it is torch not requiring change of batteries and any charging as it uses energy of magnetic field of the Earth, space radiation and industrial and environmental electro-magnetic noise.



This device is very useful and helpful in various emergency situations as it will generate light whenever you are. If light of the torch is dimmed what you need to do is to turn it off for a while (an hour or two) and turn it on again – the torch will shine as new!


Managing Director of ADGEX Ltd. Victor Uzlov has informed that ADGEX is organising international dealer net and open for business partnership, please use email info@adgex.com to contact us.


“All first lucky buyers who ordered torches over website http://trade.adgex.com/ will be able to get the unique product(s) within two months for the order. Set of the torch is equipped with all accessories. Torches have various colours. Shape of the torch will be introduced a bit later, please watch the company announces. The price of the torch will be announced on the 25th of May 2015.”



Provisional patent app filed for this - app not available to see details that I can find yet: http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/o...nNo=2015202321


2015202321
: METHOD OF CHARGING BATTERIES AND THE CHARGER


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Application details

Australian application number 2015202321 Patent application type Standard Serial number
Application status FILED Paid to date 2019-05-01 First IPC Mark
Currently under opposition No Proceeding type(s)
Invention title METHOD OF CHARGING BATTERIES AND THE CHARGER Inventor(s) UZLOV, VICTOR Agent name ADGEX LIMITED Address for legal service NSW 2060 Australia show full address
Filing date 2015-05-01 Australian OPI date
OPI published in journal
Effective date of patent 2015-05-01 Expiry date 2035-05-01 PSO Completed date
Additional/Divisional application number Additional/Divisional relationship


Applicant details

Applicant ADGEX LIMITED Applicant address NSW 2060 Australia


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Anyway, that is all I found last night.
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I probably would buy one but just spent over $40 for a flashlight last week to add to my collection of 85+ flashlights. Besides I've got 900 Lumen lights that are less than 3 inches long and 1 inch in diameter.
I just added this jewel to my collection.

990 lumens with 1 rechargeable panasonic 18650 or you can add the extension for two 18650 and get 1163 lumens. Strobe button on side. Best and brightest I've ever had.

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" it isn't the first free energy device because solar, wind and hydro are all real free energy devices that have been around for ages. "

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I assumed that was obvious to everyone here. As I said I was only quoting from their web site. They are not saying anything about having an overunity device or COP >1 and per their vids are not claiming it is breaking any laws of physics. I guess saying anything is 'free energy' triggers knee jerk reactions with those who have been into alternate energy for a while. I also assumed people knew that I know the difference between alternate energy sources like solar, EM fields, wind versus more exotic claims of zero point energy and overunity devices. Neither I nor Adgex as far as I can see are claiming anything exotic or physics law breaking so I don't understand dr_Greens attack profile on this.

Also I have found that they likely chose Australia as their home base because it is very difficult to get info on Australian patents - they are very protected there.
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So it's not the world's first real free energy flashlight. Not even close.

I mentioned wind and solar in relation to the claim "world's first real free energy", which we've just established is 100% fiction and lies.

Marketing for hype is one thing, but one would tend to hope that it's based on reality. False advertising leads to lawsuits.
Unless the device is fake it is not really that far off to make this claim. If it is a shake light you have to shake it to get it charged. You need to directly input energy. If it is solar you have to move it into the Sun and leave it. If it's wind up you are charging it. If it is an Elfe from Adgex you don't need to do anything except turn it off and leave it an hour or two. At this point I'm considering the possibility that they have rediscovered something along the lines of how Steven Marks TPU functioned. Some believed he was getting EMF from HV power lines near his home. And yet with relatively small coils he was powering old tube style TV sets, power tools and other fairly high power devices.
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I assumed that was obvious to everyone here. As I said I was only quoting from their web site. They are not saying anything about having an overunity device or COP >1 and per their vids are not claiming it is breaking any laws of physics. I guess saying anything is 'free energy' triggers knee jerk reactions with those who have been into alternate energy for a while. I also assumed people knew that I know the difference between alternate energy sources like solar, EM fields, wind versus more exotic claims of zero point energy and overunity devices. Neither I nor Adgex as far as I can see are claiming anything exotic or physics law breaking so I don't understand dr_Greens attack profile on this.

Also I have found that they likely chose Australia as their home base because it is very difficult to get info on Australian patents - they are very protected there.
The trigger words are "first" and "real". Those words change everything.

You said you were only quoting the web site so that's acknowledged.
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Why is it that more and more often people seem to overreact to anything presented? Thanks ewizard for posting about this development. I think it is an interesting product and worthy of mentioning to those that may not know about it. I don't think it will end the use of fossil fuels as some seem to think. I don't even see where the manufacturers are making any claims like that. I don't understand all the negative comments or all the overblown reactions that claim this is going to end the oil monopoly. It just is what it is. I can think of some situations where this device could be very handy.

If you lived in Alaska where it is dark for six months at a time solar is not an option. If you have arthritis in your hands then the hand crank flashlight is not a good option. So there are situations where this could be a nice device to have around. Hopefully the price will come down once they get into full production.

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Devil's advocate, bringing to you details that you may not have considered. Also I appreciate honesty. The way it's presented is highly objectionable, or even completely inaccurate or false.

You yourself have come up with a better and more honest marketing strategy without even trying.
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They are not saying anything about having an overunity device or COP >1 and per their vids are not claiming it is breaking any laws of physics. I guess saying anything is 'free energy' triggers knee jerk reactions with those who have been into alternate energy for a while. I also assumed people knew that I know the difference between alternate energy sources like solar, EM fields, wind versus more exotic claims of zero point energy and overunity devices. Neither I nor Adgex as far as I can see are claiming anything exotic or physics law breaking so I don't understand dr_Greens attack profile on this.

Also I have found that they likely chose Australia as their home base because it is very difficult to get info on Australian patents - they are very protected there.
If the flashlight does what is claimed and it isn't that far fetched, then it is a true free energy device because the operator of the flashlight doesn't have to pay for that energy source.

And the COP would be considered infinite with the sideways infinity symbol because there is zero input required from the operator all without breaking any laws of physics. Solar, wind, water generators also have an infinite COP since they have zero operator input.

They're very clear in the claims that they say they're harvesting basically electronic smog, etc... In their press release I posted below, it does say, “Free Renewable Energy.” That is a free energy claim and if the operator doesn't input anything, then it's automatically infinite COP so they do claim this indirectly but of course id doesn't violate any laws.

Nokia already announced a while back that they're researching ways to do the same thing to keep the phones topped up without ever plugging them in. See this: Wireless Power Harvesting for Cell Phones | MIT Technology Review

RFID's are powered this way and Dennis Siegel that I posted about claims a charger that will charge a single AA battery in a day. That right there is more than enough to light an LED in dark hours without ever having to plug it in.

Most of these little harvesters seem to be for different frequency ranges - 50-60hz, then some higher frequency ranges so it is mentioned in various areas that to make these as practical as possible, they have to be as broad in their frequency range as possible.

So far, this flashlight looks feasible and most likely does as claimed because all the pieces are available to make it work. They just might have it working better than others and if so great.

I'd personally like to see the circuit that Dennis Siegel claims will charge the AA battery in a day. Just that alone has countless uses. And of course would like to see this flashlight circuit.

Since the flashlight circuit was filed as a provisional, if Australian law is similar than they probably have about a year or half year left to file the full regular patent application and when the regular patent app is filed, that would probably be published and available for viewing.
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Good job finding more details Aaron.

ewizard, where did you quote " World's first real Free Energy Flashlight - no shaking - no batteries! No Solar" from?

From the web site:

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Be aware that If ELFE is used continuously for more than 12 hours; he will be restored to full power within 7 to 14 days. The rate of recharge may vary depending on a range of geographic and environmental factors.

Power Source: Adgex Accumulator deriving energy from the Earths magnetic fields, from solar radiation, & from industrial & environmental electromagnetic noise.
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ELFE durable aluminium casing ensures he is resistant to damage which makes him ideal for outdoor activities.
Probably best to leave it at home for the points sciencisto brings up if the outdoor activities involves actual outdoor activities. I mean, leave him at home.
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I'm willing to get one of these units and carefully disassemble, photograph and document with schematic, and will share same with 5-20 others who will contribute RR&D funds of $5 to $20, with largest contributors at the top of the list for reports, plans, photos, video, etc. Before I take it apart, I will test it to see if it works as claimed, and perhaps put it in a Faraday cage to see if it can recharge, which would rule out e-smog, random EMF, etc. Please private message me if interested.
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PS - My intuition or guardian angel or wherever guidance comes from told me to take a look at Wilhelm Reich's Orgone ACCUMULATOR the last few days, so when I saw the e-mail about this accumulator, I jumped on it.
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Its funny to see this because about 3 years ago a guy I knew from this forum PM'd me (I wish I knew his name off the bat) and asked me if I wanted a flash light. He said this flashlight will never go dead and I want you test it. The flashlight had to have energizer standard batteries and would stay charged.

When it was sent to me it came from some company like cutting edge or sharper image I can't remember the name even they use to have catalogs with a lot great stuff.

Anyway I burned the new energizer batteries for 24 hour +- and checked the voltage and low behold they were at about 1.8 volt, from a 1.5 volt battery. Still to this day I know they are fully charged and have more voltage than the battery is supposed to contain.

The bulbs are LEDS 2 real bright ones or 40 regular looking LED's, like a lamp type setup.

No matter how much I have run it it never goes dead. During the testing I ran it to death and the batteries never moved. I have used it for a camp light many dozens of times while camping. I don't how many times its burned over night while the power was out and I wanted to make sure the toilet was easy to find.

So in my traditional way I'll insult all of you and tell you how late to the game you really are. And NO!! I will not take it apart so you can have schematic to look at and do nothing with. Bunch of You Tube watching clowns...... Minus the one who know they aren't.

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Old 09-03-2015, 03:07 AM
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Its funny to see this because about 3 years ago a guy I knew from this forum PM'd me (I wish I knew his name off the bat) ...
Hmm, well I would have thought you would have a notification in your email that would let you know his name or some idea as to who he is/was in order to be able to contact him again. I can't see something so profound just flying into the wind like this and your complete inability to identify him or reach out to him again. That sounds entirely unbelievable. One would think that after discovering what you did that you would immediately be back in touch with him and really be intrigued by the results.

I realize that this could be faked, but how about at least teasing us by putting up a time lapse video of 48 or so hours of the flashlight/torch operating? I'd be happy to give you some instructions on how to do that if you would need any.
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Old 09-03-2015, 06:23 AM
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Ruskies! And they look to be serious about this.

More info:
Sergei Ivchenko, head of Adgex Energy division, on breakthrough flashlights and NiCa accumulator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asHq5OpDZd8

NiCa I take to mean Nickel Calcium, but I don't speak Russian. Fortunately this video is subtitled in pretty good English. Ivchenko makes some interesting statements:
  • Energy is everywhere around us - electromagnetic, gravitational etc. I have built a kind of sensor that collects energy. It collects small amounts of energy, enough to charge a battery.
  • USB outlets can charge various gadgets. This flashlight can charge phones, computers.
  • This is the first model of our flashlight. It is fed by Schumann waves, magnetic field of Earth, etc. We are going to implement the principle of flashlights for accumulators. Then you will not have to charge accumulators at all.
That last bullet point he made after changing course to a big "accumulator" that can replace a car battery, but after fully discharging it, he then charges it over 30 minutes with a welder - so I'm thinking that the big NiCa accumulator is a bit of a Red Herring - a distraction or another product they're working on. He says something about they don't have accumulators big enough to charge "it" - the big NiCa accumulator? But then the point about using flashlights for accumulators, obviating the need for charging.

Sergei then introduces the physicist who got him started down this path, Dr. Jabrail Baziev, who seems at first to be, if not on his own planet, at least in a different orbit - AT FIRST. But then he drops a couple of (possible) mental bombshells:
  • "A new theory of electrodynamics going beyond 1865 Maxwell." (He then goes on about studying gasses for quite some time that he was able to resolve using Planck's Constant, and then)
  • Planck's Constant turned out to be a moment of an impulse of an unknown, very small particle, carrying a positive electrical charge. I called it electrino."
  • Electron is considered the smallest particle by the modern scientific world. Electrino turned out to be much more (sic) smaller than electron, its mass being 150,000 times smaller, charge 200,000,000 times smaller.
  • This is the smallest particle in the universe and the most widespread. 99.8% of any body consists of electrino.
  • This led to the creation of an open structure of an atom. Structure of an atom is an ultimate objective of theoretical physics development. This helped resolve all problems which old physics could not tackle. Scientists of old school are trying to resolve the task of 12 dimensions using mathematical formulae. It's impossible to solve it as real space is 3-dimensional.
  • The magnetic field of the Earth consists of 10^43 number of electrino which circulate through the Earth and around the Earth. It's electrical capacity is 10^24 Watts. This is an inexhaustible source of electrical current. The flashlights of Sergei burn thanks to [this] magnetic field.
  • The new theory [unified field electro-physics?] is so objective that I could resolve any scientific - technical problem in a week.

He then goes on to speak about speed of light measurements and speed of current measurements, and that the speed of current is different in different conductors, and the speed of light depends on its spectrum - that it is a function of wavelength or frequency. This reminds me of the lost but pioneering work of Baron Karl von Reichenbach and what he called Od (Aether? Prana?) and the different sensations produced by different wavelengths of sunlight, broken out by a big prism.
  • There had not been any equation in physics as well as no substantiation for 300,000 Km/S. The speed of light was [NOT?!?!] measured empirically. This was a deep mistake.
  • Measurements of different one color beams of light shows that red beam diffuses with the speed of 1,5 * 8.
Does this mean 1.5 X 10^8th?!?! We need someone to translate what units / time he says, as the captions don't have it. If we're still talking Km/S then that's WAAY faster than 300,000 Km/S!!! Holy Tesla, Batman! See 11:49 point in the video. We also need to know if the caption translator left out the NOT (measured empirically) word.

There is damn little about Dr. Jabrail Baziev on the web, and nothing about the book he refers to that is soon to come out? I even waded into Russian Wikipedia, translating the pages I came up with using Bing Translator. It turned out to be a statement that a RU Wikipedia page didn't exist on him and inviting me to write one. HA HA.
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Old 09-03-2015, 07:04 AM
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Well if the energy comes from human technology (radio waves etc.) it's limited, and if everyone starts tapping heavily into it what will happen then?
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:26 PM
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It seems they have been taking money from sales since may 2015, however if
anyone adds an ELFE to the cart they will see that the item will not be
dispatched until December 03 - 2015, still 4 months from taking the money
before sending the item. If the items are for real then they should be able to
pre-manufacture stock for dispatch soon after sale. Something seems sus even
though there is theory that it is possible, I am guessing the devices would
not recharge away from man made noise and without knowing how it works
all anyone has is guesses.

Be careful, at $99.00 dollars a piece they could take a lot of money before
December from sales then either delay or fail to deliver.

..

For those who claim this and that with no evidence I say, show evidence or
your words are just noise in the wind.

..

Crank and shake lights are not free energy (unless you can get a hamster to
crank or get someone else to crank or shake the light to charge it), because
in order to use them you must expend energy to charge them. Solar is free,
wind is free ect.,

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Old 09-04-2015, 01:52 AM
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free energy flashlight - elfe

If they're working with Baziev, that gives it a lot of credibility in my opinion.

I'm in contact with a few of them at the company. I'm finding out when they're ready to ship or if I can get one early to test. Order pages does say: 03.12.2015 - since it is pre-order time, that must be 3 Dec so a few months.

I'll probably order one because $99 is worth it in case it works - not an enormous gamble. I also don't care if they're the first or not because I'm only concerned with what works or not and if so, they're the first to sell these openly and that is a good step.

Of course everyone has to make up their own mind and everyone has access to the same info so...
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