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Old 09-21-2015, 10:33 PM
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About this process...

Hello to all,

I believe the best thing to do here and keep learning as we go...is the way that took place above between Mack and Cristian...
We learn from his last post correcting all errors from the video right?

HOWEVER, if we do not show a video with whatever is going wrong...then everything will be a "Guessing Game" from both ends...Mac's end, which we ALL know can not disclose full plans...and Us replicating this motor.

BFor example...if we all do like Shylo...write down barely explaining about our set up...then we are into what I said before.

Mack does not have a Cristal ball to see our set up...then correct whatever is wrong guys.

So, from a video there is not much talk...just Mack can see then correct us about it.


Is just my opinion...and I am working on a smaller scale model...I will show it soon so I can see if am right or wrong.

Otherwise...the way we are going here so far, except for Cristian...we will stay there for a while.


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I have been extremely busy for a while now. I haven't had time to do a CAD drawing, I only had time to do a quick hand sketch to show the two ramp butterfly system. Everything needs to be equal strength magnets and ramps need to be fully adjustable to get everything in balance. Good luck. stealth
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I have been extremely busy for a while now. I haven't had time to do a CAD drawing, I only had time to do a quick hand sketch to show the two ramp butterfly system. Everything needs to be equal strength magnets and ramps need to be fully adjustable to get everything in balance. Good luck. stealth
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I can not tell what is a rotor magnet from a stator. Please specify which is

what or are these all ramps? This has not helped me.

You can do better than that.
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Maybe a video will help your english

Please post a balance video?

Mach just got through saying this is only step 2. Your english, no good.

Sorry your english no good, sorry.

Okay me say again. Mack say step one, step 2, step 3 step 4, step............

Understand? Mack say step one is first.

Okay start over.

MACK SAYS THIS.

Step 1 = use 4 magnets and balance machine

Step 2 = Make "Y" attraction RAMP

Step 3 = Unknown

Step 4 = Unknown

Step 5= Unknown

Step 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = "cell" = NOT A MOTOR YET.

Understand? We are on step 2.
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Hi to all
If you think youtube is filled with garbage, it's a mistake, because after seeing the videos of Mack, there is the option to remove these videos from your channel.
Ufo, have intuited the intention that I have.So you can fast forward learning and building individual construction.
Care. I have big problems with the strength of each magnet. I have 8 new rotor poles and four of them are different. Never, they will balance, including, if they are not the same or similar power. The rotor must turn uniformly without hitting at any time
Needless to back the strike of magnets, which has been tackled at the beginning of this thread
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This is link to video of the second step. Not great but learning from this build.
Skyflight1able is my YouTube name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWGsfL3tm2M

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This is link to video of the second step. Not great but learning from this build.
Skyflight1able is my YouTube name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWGsfL3tm2M

wantomake
Thanks 4 your Video, this is the right way. Look at my picture.

You MUST connect the ramp to the magnet. Mack stated that he

could not show the connection from ramp to stator magnet more

so because it may have been an improved design in the patent

but it is connected to the south pole top and bottom.

Think about it. The purpose of the ramp is to redirect energy from

the stator magnet in the form of attraction. To get the ramp into

the attraction mode, you must have it touch the south pole.

The purpose of the "Y" is to break up the fields so 2 attraction

events take place separately. First the ramp then the "Y" space

releases THAT attraction event smoothly and not pulled back, then

the second attraction event takes place. A two for one if you will?

Two events for the price of one stator magnet.

I can hardly wait to see the repulsion designs.

Keep up the good work. Your "Y" fork is like mine. However

the laminates need to go the other way when you get time.

This will do for now til metal becomes magetic from being next to

a powerful magnet all of the time. Your ramp is to far away from the

south pole of your stator magnet to induce a southern attraction force

of any real consequence into the ramp.

Look at the second diagram here, this is the original, right form the

man.






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Hey Mack

I am wondering why the neo's are not marked for polarity and

I was afraid to buy these for fear they would not be optimal.

Do you think cubes or rectangles? a long magnet?

I like these. Maybe I will beat this price somewhere else.

Maybe N42 are to weak I know you said N52.

These are $10 a piece and the N52 is $12.50 each.

103 lb pull and 140 lb pull respectively.

Also what is a good professional structural grade material

for building a real motor? Acrylic warps like garbage, I have 1"

and that stuff is all over the place. I am also set up to pour

composites that are high temp used in aircraft structures.

Then I cure them in a special large oven. Last time I did a 1.1"

sheet of low temp borosilicate glass that was hand done regrind.

I also work with microspheres and high grade fibers. Carbon

fiber is out as it conducts.

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This is link to video of the second step. Not great but learning from this build.
Skyflight1able is my YouTube name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWGsfL3tm2M

wantomake
Hello my friend Wantomake,

First, many thanks for uploading your video here!...THIS IS THE ONLY WAY we all be able to start correcting mistakes, then learn the proper way.

Now, please, may I say what I find wrong there?...and please, take it as constructive criticism for you to be able to achieve the goal here.

First, related to the magnets:

Those magnets are not good...

First because they are ceramics...which is not powerful enough, plus their density is very low.

Second because they are magnetized through the Thinner Wall, that causes its magnetic field length to be too short.

We already have the Basic Structure from Mac's posts plus his latest graphic.

Rotor: Cube Magnets
Stator: Rectangle Magnets of the same face (magnetized through their longer wall)

Now, related to the Ramp...

Your Ramp is not good either...

First it is way too thin, so its induction capability to store the magnetic field is very low.

Second the Ramp must be within the END pole of rectangle magnet, Not in front, not by the middle or Domain Wall...and this is why the Stator is a Rectangle...a Cube will not do it because poles are too close and too short.

Third: Use the same ratio of Fork Distance...yours is too short

@Mikey: Your Fork is also too short.


Look at Mack's drawing...:

[IMG][/IMG]

Then let's look at a closer analysis:

[IMG][/IMG]

We can "literally" insert a second magnet between the fork start and the wall of stator magnet, like I have done above...

This is the real "Ramp Part" where rotor magnet "takes off" (impulse) towards attraction stage in order to pass the sticky point.

If it is too short...simply it will NOT make it passed that point.

I can perfectly see where Mack is driving us to achieve...

1- Learn how to balance both poles to zero, total cancellation of forces (when I say "pole" I refer to one stator and one rotor magnet....that is a Pole, One Pole...we must balance Two Poles).

We must use the closest gap possible...and the way I am doing it is by getting the repulsion first as close as I could, with a very, very narrow gap. Then start playing with just the attract side until I see they are cancelling out perfectly.

And here is simple...if you guys do not have a perfect balance obtained...it is a complete waste to "JUMP" and start building and testing the Attraction Ramp.


The "Formula" related to the kind of Magnets has been revealed by now:

Rotor: 1/2X1/2X1/2 Inches
Stator:1/2X1/2X1 Inches

That is the Ratio to use here...and any other shape, type or else is NOT supposed to be a Real Replication, therefore it will simply do NOT work.

Cylinder Magnets are NOT GOOD!


I am just writing about all this because it is very frustrating not to see anything out of the ordinary...or not observe any good results...or say they still balance etc,etc.

Plus...I want You ALL of You, Guys to make this happen...come to reality and close this chapter.


Regards Friend, and good to see you are working on this!


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About the R/C Gas Engine comparison...

Hello to all,

I will share the way I can see/picture this Motor, and I can see it already going so fast...we will have a hard time stopping it, and to the point it could be very dangerous if we are not able to regulate-slow down or stop it...it can cut a finger getting in the way like butter...that simple.

Have you ever played with a small but very powerful gas engine from an R/C Toy?

If You have, you will know the pressure felt by spinning slowly by hand until it starts reaching the Compression stroke...Now, compare this side to our Repulsion Stage...

I start the balancing by this stage...Compression by Repulsion, and I get it as close as possible to be able to feel this same pressure of that small gas engine. This is going to be the FULL Power Pressure STROKE our Motor will have.

Attraction is stronger than repulsion...so is understood the attract stator will be a bit further away than the repulse one...and I do that by hand first to get the right positioning distance of attract stator related to rotor gap.

The Attraction stage plus the Ramp is the component that allows the compression stage to take place...In the Gas Engine it is the Counter Weight displacement, acceleration to make compression take place...and this is just one Cycle guys (of course, including the repulsion ramp)...represented by one Module which is based on Two Poles (Two Stators/Two Rotor Magnets)...the rest is to repeat this cycles along the 360º.

Now...let´s try to replicate that small gas engine from scratch, building each part...is it simple?!...of course it is NOT!!...and sounds more like a joke right?

And I am talking about just one cylinder small engine...But that Cylinder MUST BE perfectly balanced...the compression stroke must be equally balanced with the counter weight...and the timing for exhaust and fueling inlet valves also needs to be perfect.

Replicating a small R/C Gas Engine from scratch...starting to make that little aluminum block...plus all bearings fitting just perfect, plus stroke arms, compression rings and whoever is not familiar...plus other dozen of small dedicated parts...please go on line and search for all parts involved in this type of engine...and you will then realize what we are building here.

Mack built a rig to test his "Power Stroke"...on the Attraction Stator/Ramp:

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Ufo,

http://www.energeticforum.com/280084-post217.html
YES! Almost 100%.

The 2 pole test rig, I refrain from calling it a motor, is to TEST with.

In my first testing I used a 1” x 4” x 12” wood rotor, ripped to 3” wide. After the magnets were balanced I hooked a spring to the rotor 3” from the shaft center. The other end was attached to a wood plate that pivoted on the shaft. I could hold the plate and slowly let the rotor be drawn across the ramp to the end and plot the spring deflection. That way I plotted the “power stroke” and knew when it occurred and the strength of it at increments along the ramp. That showed what worked and what didn't. Only after I had my “ideal” ramp could I determine the actual rotor diameter.

Mack
The way I see the attract stage and ramp...is that ramp will take away some of the attraction stator field power/strength by redirection to its iron mass, therefore taking some away from the "Equilibrium Line" across at 180º... this will create an unbalance with repulsion stage which does not have a ramp so far, then becoming the strongest and Full Force in the set..so, when we have the right set up...in my opinion we should be able to observe a great take off spinning force between just one Module...not saying it will continue or repeat...but it must be a very strong spin force...and it should be measured with the spring rig as Mack stated in his cited post above.



Regards and good luck.


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Wantomake,

Nice work, but several things can be improved.

Where is the balancing stator magnet 180 degrees away? It absolutely will not work without it.

Look at the picture I posted. Your ramp fork is closer to the rotor than the stator magnets. Adjust your stator magnet closer to the rotor until the pole face of the magnet is slightly closer than the fork splits.
Your fork ends might be a little too long.
The rotor diameter is too small. Look at the arc of approach the rotor magnet makes to the ramp and compare to the picture I posted. That might not keep it from working but should be addressed in the future.

Try repositioning the stator magnet and ramp and add the balancing magnet before you do anything else.

This part is a guess, but maybe it will make a difference. Your thin magnets may have the N & S poles too close to each other. I used a 1/2” square x 1” long stator magnet with the poles on the square surfaces. Maybe you could stack a couple more to make a taller magnet? Something to keep in mind.


BroMikey,

At that price GRAB 'EM! N42s will work too. My little N52s had a lot less pull.

And are you positively sure the ramp touches the stator magnet?

Mack

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Taking advice always

Thanks Ufo, Bromikey, and Madmack

I always take creative criticism and sound advise.

From those post it's clear I will start from the beginning. I just ordered (2) 1/2 x1/2 x 1/2 for the rotor and (2) 1/2 x 1/2 x 1" for the stator.

The Youtube build is of on hand materials and just for experimental reasons. I don't spend resources unless there is reason to believe it works. Not being defensive, just want to be clear. But now I know what I don't know, which is the beginning of knowledge.

@Madmack, In post #301 you stated :

" We are at the second step, developing the ramp for the attraction magnets, without the repelling set".

So I'll reinstall the repelling set and do the adjustments you advised.

Thanks for who help out here.
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@Madmack, In post #301 you stated :

" We are at the second step, developing the ramp for the attraction magnets, without the repelling set".

So I'll reinstall the repelling set and do the adjustments you advised.

Thanks for who help out here.
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My apologies, that was not at all clear. I was referring to a repelling ramp+stator magnet set. The opposing stator magnet always has to be there.

After 40 years of industrial design I know full well that if two interpretations can be made from written instructions, the one you didn't intend will be the one taken.

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Big differences

Thanks and sorry,
My bad. I've been adjusting the ramp, moved both magnets closer, and added the repelling magnet 180° . Also made a larger rotor. Big difference in the setup.

Eating lunch then back to work!!!!
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Wantomake,

Nice work, but several things can be improved.

Where is the balancing stator magnet 180 degrees away? It absolutely will not work without it.

Look at the picture I posted. Your ramp fork is closer to the rotor than the stator magnets. Adjust your stator magnet closer to the rotor until the pole face of the magnet is slightly closer than the fork splits.
Your fork ends might be a little too long.
The rotor diameter is too small. Look at the arc of approach the rotor magnet makes to the ramp and compare to the picture I posted. That might not keep it from working but should be addressed in the future.

Try repositioning the stator magnet and ramp and add the balancing magnet before you do anything else.

This part is a guess, but maybe it will make a difference. Your thin magnets may have the N & S poles too close to each other. I used a 1/2” square x 1” long stator magnet with the poles on the square surfaces. Maybe you could stack a couple more to make a taller magnet? Something to keep in mind.


BroMikey,

At that price GRAB 'EM! N42s will work too. My little N52s had a lot less pull.

And are you positively sure the ramp touches the stator magnet?

Mack

Ha! Ufo posts several in the time it takes me to post once!
Thanks Mack

I will look for the longer ones. I have also noted your direction concerning

physically connecting such strong magnets to the iron ramps. I realize

that this could be a gap varying in size depending on the strength of the

field, the distance of ramp to rotor magnet, ramp mass and who knows

what I missed. Keep it going

Here is what I learned thanks to you, UFO and wantomake, also a special

thanks to Cristian for his magnet measuring device on the youtube video.

I'll be back,


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Bloch Wall Switching

Hi All,

I am also ready to start a build on this interesting
motor as soon as I got the theory behind it.
When we remember Ken Wheeler there can
never be two magnets seperately, when in
attraction mode. So the sticky point will move the Bloch Wall
(Dielectric Inertial Plane) towards the ramp and neutralize it magnetically,
when it was more a South before. For the acceleration phase we have a South ramp and attraction towards the Iron. If we assume now a second ramp for the run out phase, which is positioned at the regular Bloch Wall of the Stator magnet this ramp will become more a North while the Rotor magnet is a South pole. Maybe the additional acceleration together with the switching of the Bloch Wall will bring the Magnet with a positive momentum over the sticky point. This is just my best guess and I thought it might be worth sharing. I think it is very important to monitor the flux lines in every position...

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...just a small drawing...
I am not good in that...

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...just a small drawing...
I am not good in that...

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Siggi,
I think that is a good example, but with that example lets not forget how the added masses of the ramps in close proximity can affect the bloch wall as well. Or does the bloch wall move without contact of the iron? There is a difference between the properties of two magnets verses a magnet and steel without contact. I don't know the answer, just postulating the question.

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Wantomake,

Nice work, but several things can be improved.

Where is the balancing stator magnet 180 degrees away? It absolutely will not work without it.

Look at the picture I posted. Your ramp fork is closer to the rotor than the stator magnets. Adjust your stator magnet closer to the rotor until the pole face of the magnet is slightly closer than the fork splits.
Your fork ends might be a little too long.
The rotor diameter is too small. Look at the arc of approach the rotor magnet makes to the ramp and compare to the picture I posted. That might not keep it from working but should be addressed in the future.

Try repositioning the stator magnet and ramp and add the balancing magnet before you do anything else.

This part is a guess, but maybe it will make a difference. Your thin magnets may have the N & S poles too close to each other. I used a 1/2” square x 1” long stator magnet with the poles on the square surfaces. Maybe you could stack a couple more to make a taller magnet? Something to keep in mind.


BroMikey,

At that price GRAB 'EM! N42s will work too. My little N52s had a lot less pull.

And are you positively sure the ramp touches the stator magnet?

Mack

Ha! Ufo posts several in the time it takes me to post once!
Mack,
If I put 2 magnets together I get a N and S on the same face of the magnet and with the rotor magnets centered so Your N rotor magnet hits your double pole stator magnet it is very simple with one double pole stator magnet to get rid of the cogging even with very strong magnets.My question is will the double pole stator magnets have a bad effect on the iron ramp or is there a way to set up the iron ramp to still keep the forces in your favor? Thank you for sharing with us just still trying to wrap my mind around it all and understand what is going on.
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I forget if it was Turion or Mack or UFO that addressed this question.

I think it was Mack. Go back and read the Mack posts, in there is some

sort of discourse on cancellation plus acceleration. In other words the

overall jest was that the forces in the stator magnets are redirected

after balancing is achieved without ramps.

Everybody wants the answers in advance without following the program.

Why follow the program? Simple, we are to full of gov/school dogma

to try something that does not fit the models. Everyone thinks that

the models are pretty close or not that far off.


This is my opinion and no offense to you.


The truth is the forces are right under our noses but we have been

told that those forces do not exist.

This is why for dumbed down folks such as me just take it a step

at a time. And I am not really kidding. That is how bad it is with our

ability to go outside the programmed response.


What is the big deal? Just slip one together right? No we won't do that

because we have been taught to figure it out first, right?

See what I mean? Then we find someone who is beyond the dogma

and no one can understand his notions or way of seeing into a

project.


Bottom line, Mack says take it a step at a time and look at what each

part is doing. So far we are on step 2. Step one I understand. Cancellation.

Step 2 is to bring a grain oriented section of iron in the proper shape into

the stator magnets field without touching it. This "Y" shape is unheard

of and should be put to the test. Already i see how it works.


When I use a straight piece of iron the ramp pulls the rotor magnet back

after it passed by on it's way. However the "Y" releases the rotor magnet

as it travels by.


It is only going to be understood if you throw your book back on the shelf

and begin testing these phenomenon. No one has stated this next statement

that I am going to make. It is at least a possibility that a "CELL" might work

like this.

One the cancellation. 2 the ramp on the attraction side draws the rotor

in just before it hits the normal cancellation spot. It accelerates it.

This must also occur of the repulsion side as well where acceleration

takes place just before the repulse cancellation takes place.

All done with the same magnetic energy used to make them cancel.

So the 2 acceleration events must equal more force than it takes to

over come the cancellation effect. There is a tiny amount of cogging

that is left over after balancing is achieved. As long as the 2 acceleration

events equal more power than the cogging left over the rotor will

continue.

Not etched in stone, just mere speculation.
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the air gap between the ramp and the magnet on the side up - down and the thick of the ramp, as a general rule?
I answer you when you can
Thank you cristian alba
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Thanks Mack for your kindness. Here is my work for the day so far. Going
off to work.

@Randy, Thanks for reminding me.



Hey Bromikey,
Don't you have the views drawn different than MadMacks description? Your side view should show the widest side of the laminate. And the top view should show the lines of the laminates side by side?

Or am I misinterpreting his instructions again.

Still waiting for magnets to arrive so will start planning laminates as ramps. But seems easier to test with stock steel.

@All, what are you guys using to test with? As I remember, MadMack said use iron/steel for now, then laminates later?

Not trying to discourage, just want to save time and resources,
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Here is a drawing of the arrangement I have used in the past with good success. This is not however the only arrangement that will work. The main problem is getting the magnets to balance. Making a moveable stator is imperative for optimum power and torque. I have not built one with rare earth magnets yet, only ceramic, but I have neos and will convert later. I have found that the lower powered ceramic magnets are easier to work with and balance. In this design the magnets on the rotor are pulled into the stator ramp and allowed to gain speed as they run along the stator iron ramp until they encounter the repulsive force at the end of the stator arrangement. This vastly increases speed and torque. In Bedini's design the magnetic rotor is attracted to the iron ramp only, then repelled at the end of the ramp. By using attracting magnets the speed and torque are increased. Good Luck. stealth
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Hey Bromikey,
Don't you have the views drawn different than MadMacks description? Your side view should show the widest side of the laminate. And the top view should show the lines of the laminates side by side?

Or am I misinterpreting his instructions again.

Still waiting for magnets to arrive so will start planning laminates as ramps. But seems easier to test with stock steel.

@All, what are you guys using to test with? As I remember, MadMack said use iron/steel for now, then laminates later?

Not trying to discourage, just want to save time and resources,
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God Bless you Wanto....

I will have to go back and check but I am pretty sure it's right

the way i have it drawn. The reason is that at first I had the "Y"

pattern displayed without lines in it FROM THE SIDE. But I should

have followed Macks lead right from the start looking down from

the ceiling Mack had originally showed the pattern approx.

Then Mack gave a reason for having the laminates oriented a certain

way and said this, "THINK EDDY CURRENTS" so I have been doing

that. Since the stationary stator magnet does not come into direct

contact with the ramp and the ramp MIGHT end up closer to the

rotor magnets, I think I need to think more about the rotor magnets

effect on the ramp. The rotor magnet gap might have a smaller gap

between the stator magnet and actually I am now sure of it as I

speak. Just keep me thinking about this and I will always become

more submersed and ultimately attuned to the process.


From the drawings given us so far I will have to say that because the

"Y" fork has two limbs, one on each side and the rotor magnet is

exposed to only one such limb that the rotor gap MIGHT need to be

smaller than the gaps inducing a field into the double set of arms off

of the "V" section of the "Y" ramp.

Since I THINK the rotor will be closer to the ramp then I think the

laminates being set of edge to the approaching magnet would be

better than a huge face pattern becoming induced a piece at a time

in the stack. If the stack is made in the proper orientation then

as the rotor magnet nears the ramp each laminate becomes magnetically

induces all equally the same.

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Wantomake,

Look at the picture I posted. Your ramp fork is closer to the rotor than the stator magnets. Adjust your stator magnet closer to the rotor until the pole face of the magnet is slightly closer than the fork splits.
Your fork ends might be a little too long.
The rotor diameter is too small. Look at the arc of approach the rotor magnet makes to the ramp and compare to the picture I posted. That might not keep it from working but should be addressed in the future.
If we want an idea of correct size of rotor and relationship of stator size to rotor size, I suggest we read between the lines a bit and LOOK AT POST #316.

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Here is a drawing of the arrangement I have used in the past with good success. This is not however the only arrangement that will work. The main problem is getting the magnets to balance. Making a moveable stator is imperative for optimum power and torque. I have not built one with rare earth magnets yet, only ceramic, but I have neos and will convert later. I have found that the lower powered ceramic magnets are easier to work with and balance. In this design the magnets on the rotor are pulled into the stator ramp and allowed to gain speed as they run along the stator iron ramp until they encounter the repulsive force at the end of the stator arrangement. This vastly increases speed and torque. In Bedini's design the magnetic rotor is attracted to the iron ramp only, then repelled at the end of the ramp. By using attracting magnets the speed and torque are increased. Good Luck. stealth

Hi Stealth

Glad to squeeze a diagram out of you No it doesn't apply

to MADMACK design but I like to see a good experiment.


Great diagram, I can read this one good.

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My build and some questions...

Hello Guys,

I am working -like I said before- in a smaller scale with cubes and rectangles...

My question to Mack is:

After we are done -hoping- we have them balanced...

Is it normal that at low speed or after the end of spin, the two poles end up at the sticky point, and really stock?

The question is because I believe there will never be a "zero-perfect-cancellation" since rotor and stators are not within same linear/straight vector.

At some speed over time done with my fingers, there is no cogging and it rotates freely.

I have tried some quick ramps and they do make a difference by varying the sticky point and not making it that sticky.

I will be building some heavier ones tomorrow and then I will post a video.

There are some interesting view of the attract interaction...with and without ramp...under the viewing film that I will show as well.

Take care all


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Hi All,

I am also ready to start a build on this interesting
motor as soon as I got the theory behind it.
When we remember Ken Wheeler there can
never be two magnets separately, when in
attraction mode. So the sticky point will move the Bloch Wall
(Dielectric Inertial Plane) towards the ramp and neutralize it magnetically,
when it was more a South before. For the acceleration phase we have a South ramp and attraction towards the Iron. If we assume now a second ramp for the run out phase, which is positioned at the regular Bloch Wall of the Stator magnet this ramp will become more a North while the Rotor magnet is a South pole. Maybe the additional acceleration together with the switching of the Bloch Wall will bring the Magnet with a positive momentum over the sticky point. This is just my best guess and I thought it might be worth sharing. I think it is very important to monitor the flux lines in every position...

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...just a small drawing...
I am not good in that...

Best regards
Siggi

Hey Siggi, nice to see you around!

[IMG][/IMG]

That was a heck of an idea my friend...except that the rotor magnets are not inline with stators, but around 30º angled...so dielectric plane makes some kind of "V" that stretches into a "narrow "O" as it passes by stator...which dielectric stays in place (seen with viewing film).

So there is no fusion taking place here.

I miss Ken Wheeler...I learned a LOT from this guy...where would he be at?

Eventually the future of electrodynamics would be to do what you did there..."play with the dielectric counter-space plane" to obtain whatever we want.

Regards


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It'll still find balance.
artv
No video, no work shown just drip, drip drip drip drip, no working

no working no working, drip, drip Come on man let's go, let's go, Let's go!!!

You need to try and it then will not be balanced.

Don't give up. Show a video of your failure, please.

Drip drip drip.............................................. .....
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