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Old 08-11-2015, 09:31 PM
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The way I tested for this was to run my generator with NO COILS in place and measure the amp draw of the motor and the voltage daw. That gives me a baseline. Then I insert a coil and measure amp draw and voltage input again. Then I connect a load to the coil and make this same two measurements again. Then I compare the three amp draw and voltage consumed measurements and determined there IS something to this after all. But my coils are not bifilar. I have 10 strands.

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The way I tested for this was to run my generator with NO COILS in place and measure the amp draw of the motor and the voltage daw. That gives me a baseline. Then I insert a coil and measure amp draw and voltage input again. Then I connect a load to the coil and make this same two measurements again. Then I compare the three amp draw and voltage consumed measurements and determined there IS something to this after all. But my coils are not bifilar. I have 10 strands.

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That's very good. By running the motor with no generator coil(s) or core(s) attached, once you get the motor up to speed, i.e., beyond the threshold speed (the speed would normally get the ReGen-X coils into resonance), you establish the base line at 100%.

Now you add the core(s) only, and determine if you results are above or below base line.

You could also consider the air-core ReGen-X coil if such a thing exists, and test against your base line.

We know that there are two types of ReGen-X in use by Thane Heins. One is the power generating Parallel-wound Series-connected Bi-filer Coil, and the other one is the kinetic energy-assisting High Impedance Shorted Coil, but from what I have seen, both of these types of ReGen-X coils both use some type of core, but not an air-core.

In Jean-Louis Naudin's video, Harnessing the Delayed Lenz Effect with an experimental Test Bench - YouTube, the ReGen-x core is fixed. It would be interesting to see the initial test results without the core in order to see the base line.

However, what is interesting about his video to me is he is able to move the ReGen-X coil different distances from the rotor and achieve different results.

The other issue is we don't know if the ReGen-X coil would work if it were just an air-core coil.

The other issue is getting up to the proper speed. Without the coils attaining resonance, the belief is the desired results will not be achieved.

And finally, another issue is disc material composition, if the disc that is being used in the debunker's experiment is metallic, that may affect the test results.

And finally finally, we could consider the magnet strength, the magnets being used in Thane's experiment appear to be pretty hefty.

And finally cubed, we should take into consideration the composition of the core material, and we should know how each core material reacts and understand why.
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I am the debunker, and yea I did that. The results are the same as with a standard coil as shown in my video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ

The Regen acceleration is REAL and gives the illusion of increasing performance

My theory as to what is occurring is as follows. The high voltage (~1.2kV) on the open bifilar config causes an electro-static current to flow between the windings causing a substantial open circuit back-EMF. Then when shorting the coil the high voltage goes to zero and the artificially induced electrostatic back-emf goes away. As load is added regular back-EMF from actual current in the windings occurs demonstrated by the increasing Pin.

The novelty here is that an OPEN coil can cause unusual amounts of back-emf under HIGH VOLTAGE circumstances. This is clearly seen when doing a comparison of power input numbers when the coil is NOT bifilar, and there is no bifilar in proximity to the rotor. This is something Thane has never shown and why he is in error.
I find the statement "The Regen acceleration is REAL and gives the illusion of increasing performance" to be a very interesting one.

What you report is very interesting.

Much to think about.

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Question ReGen-X Generator Acceleration under Electrical and Mechanical Load



ReGenX Generator Torque Measurements and New Physics for a New Humanity - YouTube

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Thane is calling this the New Physics for a New Humanity.

So, should we first see what the motor can "do" without any cores or coils attached to it?
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I find the statement "The Regen acceleration is REAL and gives the illusion of increasing performance" to be a very interesting one.

What you report is very interesting.

Much to think about.

Thank you.
Why don't you show us one of your experiments. Your posting all this stuff and I have personally seen a lot of people doubt for one reason or another this tech even is real. Come on Tiny (I made a mistake Tiny is his new name) put your money where your mouth is.

Show us YOUR work...?

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When I was conducting my experiments with different sized coils and a single rotor, I would get the rotor up to speed using a power supply and watch the amp draw to the motor. Then I would introduce a coil to the system. I was using all air core coils.

What I found was that basically NONE of the three sizes of coil I was using with an air core caused anything but possibly a small vibration in the needle of the amp meter. It was only a five amp meter, so I had it shorted out until the motor got up to speed because the motor would draw too many amps on startup. I could test simply by moving a small steel bolt near the rotor and see the reaction on the amp meter. By the way, the sizes and number of strands on these coils had been determined because of experiments we had done in the past in determining the proper number of wires and length of wire for coils in the big generator I built, so I didn't just wind some coils and hope for the best. Some thought had already gone into the coils I was going to test.

The coils didn't affect the amp draw of the motor. However, as soon as I put a load on two of the coils, the amp draw on the motor went up. The third coil, however, didn't affect it by itself or when loaded. The amp draw went neither up, nor down, which was encouraging. So I doubled the number of windings on the coil and the length of those windings. Again the amp draw did not go up or down with the coil alone or with the coil loaded.

So, I took this same coil and put it in my dual rotor setup. I ran basically the same test. I got the motor up to speed and then introduced the coil. There was the slightest decrease in amp draw, perhaps the width of the needle on the 5 amp meter. (Different rotor setup, different analogue meter) Then I put a load on the coil. Again the slightest movement of the needle. When I measure the RPM of the rotor with the coil loaded and unloaded, there was an increase of 12 RPM with the coil loaded.

This is not a bifilar coil. It has 10 strands, and I have seen NO evidence of those open wires causing a slow down in the RPM's of the motor turning the rotor or of an increase in amp draw when the coil is introduced to the rotor. Neither do I see a slow down of RPM's or an increase in amp draw when I place a load on the coil.

Admittedly, much more testing of this particular coil needs to be done, and I am working on that. I will be experimenting with core materials, air gaps, and a number of other things. But we all have to start somewhere, and this is where I am starting.

The coils on my generator also cause IT to speed up under load, but now I am searching for the highest performance coil I can get to improve the production of that generator. With the circuit we have been working on and Matt's pulse motor spinning air core coils at high RPM that speed up under load, who knows what the limits are.

If and when this is the coil I stick back in my big generator and run with the modified motor and potential difference circuit we have been working with, I will be discussing it on the Basic Free Energy Device thread. For now, we are here talking about regenerative acceleration in a rotary device, and while I believe it is possible, not every coil you wind is going to do it.
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Why don't you show us one of your experiments. Your posting all this stuff and I have personally seen a lot of people doubt for one reason or another this tech even is real. Come on Tiny (I made a mistake Tiny is his new name) put your money where your mouth is.

Show us YOUR work...?

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Show us yours, scumbag.
Plenty of my work is on this board just search my name. All you have to do Tiny is show us an example your work as iit pertains to the thread or admit your a small tiny mind who only understands You Tube videos.

No Shame, your just like bro mikey. Small.

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I know Matt is probably too busy to build and film something right now. He is in the process of working with the new CNC machine we just purchased, as well as the new 3D printer. We got these things so that we can manufacture parts for devices we have built and tested. He is also working on a new generator design he plans on releasing to everyone once it is completely tested.

I can tell you that I am on the phone with Matt nearly every day, sometimes three, four, five times a day. Because I need his help, not because I love to chat. I have posted probably a several dozen private videos that only he and I have access to of devices I have built with Matt's help and encouragement. MOST of them he had some hand in designing before I went off on some tangent.

It was at his suggestion that I double the number of wires and the length of wires on the core I am testing, It is HIS design for the Potential Difference Boost Circuit I have been testing with such success, and it is HIS design for the 2Cap generator I have on my bench and am testing right now. It is also HIS design for the working generator I am running, although I scaled it up from two coils to 24, but that's because I like to foolishly spend money before something has been completely tested and Matt tends to focus on a small unit that he tests exhaustively. I would be happy to post videos or pictures of any of those things with Matt's permission. He has built some ****. I have been to his place and seen it. And now he has the tools to build even more. Things are going to get very interesting.

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Plenty of my work is on this board just search my name. All you have to do Tiny is show us an example your work as iit pertains to the thread or admit your a small tiny mind who only understands You Tube videos.

No Shame, your just like bro mikey. Small.

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Bullsh*t. I'm not going to search cr*p. Show us your work, Ahmadinejad. And then maybe after you apologize, I'll show you some of mine. Otherwise, blow me.
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I know Matt is probably too busy to build and film something right now. He is in the process of working with the new CNC machine we just purchased, as well as the new 3D printer. We got these things so that we can manufacture parts for devices we have built and tested. He is also working on a new generator design he plans on releasing to everyone once it is completely tested.

I can tell you that I am on the phone with Matt nearly every day, sometimes three, four, five times a day. Because I need his help, not because I love to chat. I have posted probably a several dozen private videos that only he and I have access to of devices I have built with Matt's help and encouragement. MOST of them he had some hand in designing before I went off on some tangent.

It was at his suggestion that I double the number of wires and the length of wires on the core I am testing, It is HIS design for the Potential Difference Boost Circuit I have been testing with such success, and it is HIS design for the 2Cap generator I have on my bench and am testing right now. It is also HIS design for the working generator I am running, although I scaled it up from two coils to 24, but that's because I like to foolishly spend money before something has been completely tested and Matt tends to focus on a small unit that he tests exhaustively. I would be happy to post videos or pictures of any of those things with Matt's permission. He has built some ****. I have been to his place and seen it. And now he has the tools to build even more. Things are going to get very interesting.

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No disrespect to you. You seem like an okay guy. I have no beef with you.

The following is a quote to Ahmadinejad:

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okay, guys, let's have a truce. let's keep personal differences out of this thread. it's a good thread. it has potential. if a personal dispute is coming from another thread, please leave it there and don't bring it in here. in deference to vidbid creating this thread, let's stay on topic. let's have no threats of personal attacks after a member posts. let's stay on topic, and let's keep it cool.

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Bullsh*t. I'm not going to search cr*p. Show us your work, Ahmadinejad. And then maybe after you apologize, I'll show you some of mine. Otherwise, blow me.
Scared what you'll find? Again just because you got corrected or have asked to provide a little experience you blew up and took the low road.

How Tiny of you

Enjoy your Mc Nuggets.

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See, fall back on racism. Thats truly weak minded. You still have showed nothing in support of your subject matter. You have no clue what your posting.
And in light of your new found ignorance you'll never learn either.

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Ahmadinejad,

I wouldn't waste my time in a futile search for your ISIS camel jockey bullsh*t. As for McNuggets, that's high cuisine for you over there in Hadjistan, instead of your usual diet of grubs, dirt and twigs.
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Anybody who is paying attention still to this thread should now see the concerns of the author. He's nothing but a low life racist who has no ability to speak of.

Thank You Tiny for showing us that.

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Thank You Tiny for showing us that.

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Babu,

So you are from India. Tell me, is it really that you worship cow? Here's my cheeseburger. You wanna bow to it?
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I don't have a problem keeping it, though I speculate you do. You go around pontificating and acting like you're some sort of genius. You're just a man, just like everybody else, you're not special. You're just average, so knock off the high-handed behavior, trying to browbeat people into submission who disagree with you with your over-inflated ego. Contrary to what you may believe, you're not a god. Neither are you a guru.
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I don't have a problem keeping it, though I speculate you do. You go around pontificating and acting like you're some sort of genius. You're just a man, just like everybody else, you're not special. You're just average, so knock off the high-handed behavior, trying to browbeat people into submission who disagree with you with your over-inflated ego. Contrary to what you may believe, you're not a god. Neither are you a guru.
You forget Tiny you started this. All I did was comment on your post. You could have just left it alone but you went on and changed the post to try to make me look bad. Then you went on and got racist.
Don't be jealous, I actually did the work to get to the point I can say I know what I am talking about. You can belittle all you want in your mind but the evidence (and searching the board will give you that) says I do know more, you post videos and speculate. Why? I know why.... Your dime a dozen but most people like you in past had humility admit what they were or what their situation was. You your a punk, like all racists and chauvinists.

So for now all you future posts get questioned. Or you can just blow up and show your colors.

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You forget Tiny you started this. All I did was comment on your post. You could have just left it alone but you went on and changed the post to try to make me look bad. Then you went on and got racist.
Don't be jealous, I actually did the work to get to the point I can say I know what I am talking about. You can belittle all you want in your mind but the evidence (and searching the board will give you that) says I do know more, you post videos and speculate. Why? I know why.... Your dime a dozen but most people like you in past had humility admit what they were or what their situation was. You your a punk, like all racists and chauvinists.

So for now all you future posts get questioned. Or you can just blow up and show your colors.

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Babu,

The tedious part of this whole interaction with you is having to read your boring posts.

Actually, I didn't start anything. You started it. I simply stated that I wasn't interested in you or your opinion, but your little, fragile ego couldn't handle that fact, so you thought you could be a bully, which is your normal modus operandi in dealing with people who disagree with you, but I proved you wrong.

You calling me a racist is a joke, being that you are from a country full of racists. Worse than racism is your caste system in India, which is based on racism. Ever notice how those at the highest level in the caste system are light skinned while those at the lower levels of it are dark skinned. Not racist, eh? Truth be told, the society that you hail from is extremely racist. It goes by a different name, called casteism.

You started name calling first. What's the matter? Can't handle "Hadji?" That's like calling me John or Mark, but because I call you Hadji or Babu, or insult your religion, I'm a racist? Yeah, right, give me a break. You're so insecure, as evidenced by you playing the victim.

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Lightbulb Shorting Stator Coils

Just reporting on a video.

Though not regenerative acceleration as far as I can tell, coil shorting does produce a noticeable effect.



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Just reporting on a video.

Though not regenerative acceleration as far as I can tell, coil shorting does produce a noticeable effect.



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Electric OU: Coil Shorting Shunt Motor Demo 1 - YouTube
You're right. Not regenerative acceleration, what ever that means. It is simple field weakening. He calls it a shunt motor so I assume that is what the nameplate reads. He wires it up as a series motor; ie. field is in series with the armature. So when he places the bulb (and diode) across the field, he diverts current around the field and causes less field current therefore less field mmf, therefore less flux, therefore increase in RPM. Also the shunting of the field lowers the voltage drop therefore increases the armature voltage causing increased RPM. Not out of the ordinary here.

When I first heard the term of regenerative acceleration I thought it might be due to field weakening, but it really didn't fit the description of the PM machines used for those demonstrations. Neither did the saturation theories I saw. But the vid in post #24 by Gestalt makes it clear what was happening in his demo.

Nothing remarkable.

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I am the debunker, and yea I did that. The results are the same as with a standard coil as shown in my video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRxsC9yumQ

The Regen acceleration is REAL and gives the illusion of increasing performance

My theory as to what is occurring is as follows. The high voltage (~1.2kV) on the open bifilar config causes an electro-static current to flow between the windings causing a substantial open circuit back-EMF. Then when shorting the coil the high voltage goes to zero and the artificially induced electrostatic back-emf goes away. As load is added regular back-EMF from actual current in the windings occurs demonstrated by the increasing Pin.

The novelty here is that an OPEN coil can cause unusual amounts of back-emf under HIGH VOLTAGE circumstances. This is clearly seen when doing a comparison of power input numbers when the coil is NOT bifilar, and there is no bifilar in proximity to the rotor. This is something Thane has never shown and why he is in error.
Gestalt, High inductance coils are not required to get the speed up under
load effect. I recognized why the setup of Thanes behaves as it does and I
set about showing the effect with low inductance coils.

What I think is happening is similar to your explanation except that I don't
consider that the voltages produced would be very high, but high enough.

Basically all that I think is happening is that the open coils create a
significant artificial/parasitic load for the prime mover due to the coils inbuilt
capacitance, the same can be achieved with a regular capacitor connected
across the coils sized so that when the rotor is sped up the coils are excited
at a harmonic frequency of their resonant frequency or their actual resonant
frequency. That causes large currents in the coil which causes a large
Counter/Back emf, when the coil is shorted or heavily loaded the large
currents becomes small currents or the phase is altered and the Counter emf is reduced so the
motor speeds up. It's not rocket science and not even novel.

It's just silly.

Fist video is the main clip, part two, second video is a short version, third is the
setup Part 1. And also a different setup is last just to show if we know how it's done we
can do it with just about any setup.

Main Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_dm8COKBY

Short version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFWin-crxQY

Setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2NfmyyhbZs

Pulse motor as prime mover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKZw15A41Y

When the Speed of the rotor causes the rotor magnets to excite the coils at
or close to their resonant frequency or a harmonic of it then the coil
develops "tank currents" which cause a significant Counter/Back emf and
artificially and parasitically load the prime mover. A heavy load or a short
causes these currents reduce or change in phase.

The main thing is that setting a base line is just silly what matters is if the
setup puts out more energy than is supplied to it. None of Thanes setups do
that, he just fiddles the books, or Fudges the measurements.

The input should be the energy consumed by the Prime mover. and the
output is the actual utilized energy.

No need for baselines.

..

Basically as I see it, it's either a ruse or Thane is deluded.

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Arrow Coil Shorting : Effect of Diode

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Electric OU: Coil Shorting Shunt Motor 2: Effect of Diode - YouTube

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Okay, people, what is your explanation for this effect?

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When I began looking into air core coils, I felt it was important to establish a baseline. Otherwise, how could I know if there was anything to your statement that the coil as a capacitor was slowing down the motor/rotor, and what we were seeing when the coil was shorted out was just the motor speeding back up to where it should have been in the first place? We need to KNOW what the performance is with no coil in sight, do we not? And isn't that the essence of a "baseline"?

So I spun up a rotor connected to my motor and established a baseline for volts, amps, and RPM's using a 60 volt power supply. NO coil involved. Then I introduced an air core coil to the rotor. There was no change to the amp draw, voltage, or speed that I could detect with my meters. Then I connected a load to the coil. In the case of the three coils I am presently working with, there was a slight increase in the RPM's of the rotor (only about 12 RPM on the specific coil I am thinking of....don't recall the others, but they ALL sped up), and a slight decrease in the amp draw. With other coils I tested there was NO speed up under load, but neither was there a slow down when the coil was first introduced to the rotor. I would not say this is conclusive proof, but in my mind it is a basis for further exploration. That is why I am spending the money to construct a precision coil testing setup so that I can use scopes with the proper connectors to measure the coils as accurately as possible. I want to take out as much of the guesswork from this as possible. Without proper testing, all we are really DOING is guessing.

With coils that HAVE cores, you should test without the coil present because OBVIOUSLY the magnets on the rotor are going to be attracted to the core of the coil, so you need to see your data BEFORE a specific coil is introduced, otherwise you do not know how much a particular kind of core slowed the rotor down or increased the amp draw on the motor, so IF it speeds up, you have no data to analyze the relationship between how much it slowed the motor down and how much it sped up under load. Baselines are NEVER a bad idea. They are the basis for scientific testing of all kinds.

BUT, I do agree it boils down to input vs output. It doesn't matter whether the motor speeds up or slows down. What matters is how much power did it consume to run and how much power did it generate. Can you get the output of five or six times the input you need be able to loop the system.

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Electric OU: Coil Shorting Shunt Motor 2: Effect of Diode - YouTube

Okay, people, what is your explanation for this effect?
Slightly more interesting than the first one. Here the armature in the unexcited stator field does produce a flux with the armature current. When stationary there is a net zero flux through the stator and therefore no torque hence no rotation. When twisted by hand the armature flux becomes distorted in the field (stator) structure and establishes a flux field to interact with the armature current and produces torque, hence rotation is sustained. This armature induced flux is weak compared to the main field flux one would have with an excited field and so the torque in this mode is barely enough to maintain rotation at no load.

The effects from shorting the field and doing so with a diode, I suspect, is aiding or hindering this weak armature field by establishing a current in the field coils due to a transformer effect. The diode rectifies the induced AC in the coil. One polarity of armature excitation, that aids or increases flux and produces more torque causing acceleration and reduced current (higher BEMF). The other polarity, it reduces the flux, torque is lost, nearly stalls and current increases.

Putting a scope on it would verify that.

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