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Old 05-29-2015, 01:53 AM
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How can we categorize the kind of charge that is being carried along the single wire/wave guide?

Here is an interesting test by Woopy, using a compass to measure the kind of electricity in a wires in a setup. Notice at 3:55 he says, it ''is not all [the] same electricity", because the fields around the wires interact differently with a compass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdYu...ature=youtu.be

If it's regular RF, there should be an influence on the magnet.
If it's something different (perhaps minus one "dimension" as Magnethos expressed), then perhaps it won't interact with the magnet in the same way.

What kind of charge is being carried along the single wire wave guide?
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I never heard of him before thanks
Well, the Michael's method is quite old, almost 2 years. And it seems easy to replicate.

It has 2 versions: AC single wire and DC single wire.
You can see both in the video.

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Nicely put, Magnethos!!
If we remove one dimension, then it is going to interact differently with everythying, I think:
- with the ambient/electrostatic environment
- with diodes
- with wires
- with resistors
- with capacitors
- with loads
...
Well, to better understand electricity you have to see the interactions in 1 dimesion, 2 dimensions, 3 dimensions... is just a task of adding dimensions and understanding the behaviour and dynamics of each dimension and also understand the relations between each dimension combination.
1 dimension = scalar = potential
2 dimensions = transversal = wave
3 dimensions ... = spinor. The geometric element is a cube
4 dimensions ...

Each dimension is a plane. So, more planes = more dimensions.

Yes, the electronics have different behaviours if you use for example 1 dimensional electricity in a 2D ready electronic components. I don't remember exactly, but in the past I knew the relations between different planes and for example what is a 2D capacitor in a 1D system. But I don't remember.

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Look at the similarity of the following pictures and see how the linear polarization oscillates like an elastic spring. That is exactly the behaviour of a longitudinal wave.




The spring has a tendency to stop in a point of equilibrium when no force is applied.
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I've been seeing some more information about this phenomena and I've found this similarity:

Take a look at an ordinary spring and take a look at the orbital angular momentum
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One of the main questions to resolve is how to tap that scalar potential in the space and bring down to a 2D space.

We know that we cannot tap electromagnetic energy from the space because it doesn't exist any electromagnetic energy naturally present in the space. It's like wanting to go to the desert to take water. You won't find.

As we know, in the space only exists potentials. A potential is a 1D dimensionally polarized particle. Our electromagnetic systems use 2D dimensionally energy. So feed a 2D ready system with 1D energy won't work.

So, how could be possible to "translate" 1D energy to 2D energy?
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One of the main questions to resolve is how to tap that scalar potential in the space and bring down to a 2D space.

We know that we cannot tap electromagnetic energy from the space because it doesn't exist any electromagnetic energy naturally present in the space. It's like wanting to go to the desert to take water. You won't find.

As we know, in the space only exists potentials. A potential is a 1D dimensionally polarized particle. Our electromagnetic systems use 2D dimensionally energy. So feed a 2D ready system with 1D energy won't work.

So, how could be possible to "translate" 1D energy to 2D energy?
my point of view tell me, the process of amplification start from 1D , for example the one dimensional capacitor in the E-TBC imply the interconnection between positive energy side and negative energy side to work together in harmony, this bring an amplification toward 2D dimension now the electromagnetic flux is amplified but as i understand it recently this is not the point !! there are further amplification toward 3D dimension which is radiant energy streams this is obviously visible if we see the static charge as a plane for the amplified 2D energy toward 3D radiant energy !

to extract the power it's important to go in a gradual manner! from your 3D environment start by lowering only one dimension and take into consideration the symmetry here ! from decompressed state go to another compressed state, this is why Tesla himself was interested in the shape of radiant energy stream and he suggested they look like cylinder or sphere., Tesla was aware about these dimensions this is why in one of his patent he say : the insulated plate or conducting-body should present as large a surface as practicable to the rays or streams of matter here he was talking about extracting the power from 3D ( radiant stream) into 2D the insulated plate! from 2D now toward 1D which is the final extraction point he has to close the loop externally not internally using two different 2D plane which is the radiant voltage and the the ground!!!

NB: i will post this reply in the thread : resonance energy device explained , thank you :-)
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I will take a large speculative jump in concept that a new model is needed hopefully improve

3D great stuff
it is a still image like beads on a string a toroid followed by a trumpet and since a single electron probably would not stretch around the wire perhaps a 3D cluster that forms a toroid. There is another entity that moves the toroid down the wire and I dare to give this longitudinal a 3D representation because of the form and function. For this shape I choose a 3D trumpet no doubt clusters. Again this is the stil shot at an initial low spin. The fast spining clusters take on an expanded and compressed shapes.

Here is an old video where Peter Lindemann explains how the Tesla wave is different than HF AC by refreshing these charecteristics one wire neeeds some entity help conceptualize. The trumpet needs some visual representation for the compression wave function. Peter draws the analogy to a pulse jet and why unidrectional spark gap employed magnets to quench and with what effect ect.

In order to simplify the understanding the equation expands to allow the trumpet as a mathematical expression so it is logical to visualize it's role in the
vacuum flux transformation event. The conjigate entering this dimension may be intantaneous but is also facilitated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUemx2ZabOw
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This last round of discussion has been interesting.
The 3-D illustrations, and conceptualizing in terms of dimensions are all worthy of consideration for arriving at a better understanding the nature and workings of SWP.

Other concepts may need to be explored as well.
For instance, Eric Dollard often refers to counterspace. In my understanding, this may be more of a philosophical "dimension", because it does not seem to involve space (a three dimensional reality). Yet, it seems to be the medium through which longitudinal EM lines of force propagate in instantaneous fashion. It is everywhere and yet nowhere. It may also be closely associated with the notion of an all-present aether.

But getting back to the circuit, here are some points for further consideration:

What kinds of power or charge are present in the SWP circuit?
- It is claimed by some that the AV plug converts AC oscillation to DC. However, there are Single Wire Power (SWP) setups that do not involve AV plugs.
- There seems to be an oscillator in each circuit, and this does imply AC. However, there may be a different kind of wave form in the single wire portion.

A scope shot might reveal whether AC or DC power is actually in the single wire transmission portion of the circuit.

However, what if the power in the single wire portion of the circuit is neither AC nor DC? How do we determine what kind of power it is? For example, can it be classified as:
- ambient power?
- radiant electricity?
- cold electricity?
I would invite you to recall what I posted from Woopy's experiment about a seemingly non-conventional kind of electricity in his setup - one which did not seem to exhibit magnetic effects:
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How can we categorize the kind of charge that is being carried along the single wire/wave guide?

Here is an interesting test by Woopy, using a compass to measure the kind of electricity in a wires in a setup. Notice at 3:55 he says, it ''is not all [the] same electricity", because the fields around the wires interact differently with a compass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdYu...ature=youtu.be

If it's regular RF, there should be an influence on the magnet.
If it's something different (perhaps minus one "dimension" as Magnethos expressed), then perhaps it won't interact with the magnet in the same way.

What kind of charge is being carried along the single wire wave guide?
Bob
Pulling this all together, Some questions for further thought:
Power

Is there more than one form of power displayed in these circuits?

If so, what kind of power... where in the circuit?

How might we test to prove our theory of what power where?


Testing

Considering that not all amateurs have scopes or sophisticated test apparatus, how could the average experimenter test to prove their claim?

How would we test for AC Power?

How would we test for DC Power?

How would we test for pulsed DC Power?

How would we test for Ambient Power?

How would you test for Radiant Power?

What kind of power does not have an electromagnetic signature?


Are their forms of power that we cannot yet quantify?

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Hi Bob,
To get solid answer it's needed a serie of requirements that we have but we will never do.

1. A big group of dedicated people
This is a complicated field and it's needed a lot of things. Some guys have good ideas and want that someone tries them, other people have deep technical knowledge and want to find new ideas to explore, other people have money and they want to invest to earn more money, etc...

What is the point of all that? The point is that for one guy it will be very difficult to have time, money, devices, technical knowledge, ideas, theories... So it's needed an organized group of people that can give to the group their parts (money, ideas..)


2. See what is working on the net
Internet is very big and sometimes there are very good ideas and information on the net and sometimes that information is lost, forgotten, etc... So it's needed to have tons of different information and at the same time that information has to be very good organized and accesible.

How many times you want to go to see again a YouTube video and you say... "oh, wait..." and the video has been deleted or simply you don't know how to find that video again?


3. More theories
There are tons of different scientists and theories in the net and it's very frustrating to come to the forums again and again and see that the experiments and tests are rarely based on solid or well developed theories.


4. More ideas
In this thread, you're refering to the idea about the compass. You know what? I told that idea to woopyjump (the author of the video). Maybe I will have another idea and I will publish it and it will be lost in thousands of text lines in a forum. One day a guy will try to get his answer to the same question and he will perform different tests to get the same answer that I got and I published it, but for the guy is very difficult to find that answer because the information is very mixed in the net. One idea can change all. Take note.


5. Money
Sometimes a guy has a very good idea, want to test it but he doesn't have enought money to invest in his idea. Today it exists crowdfunding. Maybe between a dozens of guys like you or me and small amounts of money, the guy can buy the tools to perform that test and to get the answers.


6. People with devices
I tell you again the story of woopyjump. I explain the idea about the compass and he performed it very quickly. If woopyjump would not perform that test, be sure that I didn't because I don't have any device or tools. Sometimes it's possible that one guy has some tools at home and he will donate them to another guy to help to build the test.


7. A tool for organizing and measuring success
Have that guy received the wire that he needed?
How is progressing woopyjump on his new project? He needs more money? Theories? Time?
What about the new theories about one wire energy transfer? There is someone finding new formulas?
Where is that acrobat reader document about single wire energy transfer? In which one of the 10 USB sticks I saved it?

With a software all that information can be organizated quickly, easily and you can access to that in a question of seconds.


8. People with deep technical knowledge
Sometimes we only need to know 'how a transformer works'. There are guys with a lot of years of experience and knowledge in the classical theories and they can answer a question in a few minutes.


9. People with non conventional knowledge
The non conventional knowledge will help to make speculations about how to understand more in deep classical theories. Sometimes we can find interesting information hearing to other scientists that have new ideas.


10. Document results
One place where we can find all the information and experiences from other people. Just make a question, and the system will show you the answers.



It exists a high probability that you won't accept what I've just said. But we all know it's the way to start with.
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Hi Magnethos
Thank you for taking the time to respond in such a thorough manner. I do agree with you. These are concerns that a number of us share. Very few of us have the resources to experiment, organize ideas and compile data as we would like, and the only real way is to share what we are able. I think this forum is a good place to start, and many of us are sharing in other ways as well.

With all the differences of opinion and even information that may lead nowhere, I am hopeful that we can slowly build some kind of consensus around what is most helpful in arriving at some core principles that we can apply to this kind of technology.

At this stage, we are simply trying to share a lot of data. We will hopefully organize this data and come to some agreed upon terms. Slowly, slowly, we will seek to proceed, just as we are proceeding now.

Thank you for your contributions, they are very helpful and much appreciated.
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Here is a little tip from the days when I worked on TVs. The old days when they all had CRTs. To test for a an electromagnetic field you can use a neon bulb. The small kind like an NE2. You just tape it to a stick with the leads not touching each other. The electromagnetic field will cause the neon gas to glow. I used to carry one of those in my tool box to check and see if the high voltage circuit was working. Just held it close and it would light up. Much safer and easier than any other way to test for the electromagnetic field around the high voltage transformer.

The circuit you are looking at may not be strong enough to light the bulb but if it does you will be able to see where the strongest fields are. Just thought I would pass this info on.

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Here is a little tip from the days when I worked on TVs. The old days when they all had CRTs. To test for a an electromagnetic field you can use a neon bulb. The small kind like an NE2. You just tape it to a stick with the leads not touching each other. The electromagnetic field will cause the neon gas to glow. I used to carry one of those in my tool box to check and see if the high voltage circuit was working. Just held it close and it would light up. Much safer and easier than any other way to test for the electromagnetic field around the high voltage transformer.

The circuit you are looking at may not be strong enough to light the bulb but if it does you will be able to see where the strongest fields are. Just thought I would pass this info on.

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That's a piece of info that will come in handy.
Thanks for sharing it, Carroll.

I believe there are other kinds of fields that we can test for as well. - Thinking along the lines of a kind of radiant energy related field that may not be EM or RF, perhaps what some might term "cold plasma." If we have different kinds of energies in different parts of this type of circuit, perhaps we'll have different accompanying sorts of fields. I wonder if the neo effect is restricted to the EM field (I suspect it is), which would be handy to identify the fields in various parts of a SWP circuit.
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Hairpin Circuit Interaction With Ambient Power

Single wire power (SWP) circuits mentioned thus far are closely related to the standard hairpin circuit.

- the hairpin circuit employs a spark gap; the smaller SWP circuits replace that spark gap with a switching device.

- the hairpin circuit uses HV/HF oscillation; simpler SWP circuits operate with LV/HF oscillation.

- a single line (wave guide) can be run from both low power and hairpin oscillator circuits to power a load

- the circuit's interaction with Ambient Power plays an important role in both cases.


Let's bring the hairpin circuit into the discussion to further expand our understanding of single wire power circuits and how they interact with ambient power to power loads via single wire power transfer.

Please feel free to post any links to documents, illustrations or videos of hairpin circuits, and any observations about what you see happening - either in your own setups or in those of others.
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- the circuit's interaction with Ambient Power plays an important role in both cases.
I see absolutely no reason to assume this in either case.
Can you elaborate on why you believe that ambient power plays a role in the hairpin circuit and in SWP transmission?


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Hi Bob a very interesting subject and like others I am pretty convinced elements of the longtitudinal wave are being brought to the fore I add these investigations for your interest
first the demonstration done by JNL Labs
Avramenko's Free Electrons Pump v1.0 by Jean-Louis Naudin
It seems JNL did some later 'improvements' to this design and came up with this demonstration
The AFEP v1.2, Single-Wire Energy transmission test by Jean-Louis Naudin
The circuit drawn in the first article of this PDF
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Issue13.pdf
is suggested as an improvement on the basic AV plug for single wire conversion.
The useful comment on neons as longitudinal wave detectors posted earlier reminded me of this now ancient circuit and information which obviously supports the idea. using neons teetering on the edge (so to speak)


The schematic, is a derivative of a microwave detector
described in the February, 1980, "Ham Radio" magazine. As
originally created, the circuit's purpose is to detect microwave RF
standing waves, but with minor modification, it can also be used as
an effective scalar wave detector.

The schematic shows a round magnet epoxied to the NE-2 lamp, to help
isolate it from EM signals. Additionally, the circuit should be
enclosed in a metal box, or "Faraday Cage", with shielded I/O
connectors.

The power source consists of eight 9V batteries. Battery life is
very nearly the same as shelf life, because the lamp is operated in
"starvation" mode, drawing approximately 0.1ma.

The 25K and 250K potentiometers are adjusted first to fire the NE-2,
at approximately 60-70 volts, then adjusted until only the tip of
the cathode electrode glows. The 100K pot is adjusted for optimum
output gain.

Notes:

1. The 741 can be replaced with a 1458 cascade amplifier for
better results.
2. The RF loops in the NE-2 leads are mandatory to reduce
interference as well as lamp current noise.
3. Component values are not critical, and can be changed as
required for the type of output device.
4. Removing the magnet and Faraday Cage, and adding a
capacitively coupled loop antenna will permit use as a
microwave EM detector.


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I see absolutely no reason to assume this in either case.
Can you elaborate on why you believe that ambient power plays a role in the hairpin circuit and in SWP transmission?


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I believe ambient power plays a role in SWP transmission because of my own observations and tests. If you look at the setup of the single wire transmission, there is one leg left open as an antenna. I do not believe the effect is capacitive; I believe it is drawing in ambient charge.

I believe, along with others, that the hairpin circuit also draws in ambient charge in order to light bulbs with a single wire. Because the hairpin circuit deals with higher voltage, the bulb functions as its own antenna to draw in ambient charge.

A couple of friendly questions to further the discussion:
How do you understand ambient power? Has any of your experimental work revealed anything to you about the nature and working of ambient power?

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Hi Bob,

As I already stated, I do believe that the SWP transmission in some cases relies on the terminal (=antenna) capacity. I have also done a SWP transmission with a coil as receiver, in which case there is a usable voltage generated over the coil. In both of these cases I see no reason to assume additional energy drawn from the surroundings.
I have not done experiments with a hairpin circuit, although I do believe that the SWP transmission with a coil as receiver works on the same principle. Namely that a high frequency signal produces differences of potential over the length of a wire.

You write that your believe is rooted in your experiments and observations. It would be interesting if you can give us some more details. With my experiments in this area the output energy can always be explained by the input power.

Your questions then... Let me first say that I am (still) legally bound not to reveal any more details on my work than I have already done before I got the money to complete my project (=Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter). I hope and trust that these bounds will be released this year. Then I will give you all the details.

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How do you understand ambient power?
This question is largely answered in this article of Tesla of 1932-10-13: "The Eternal Source of Energy of the Universe, Origin and Intensity of Cosmic Rays"
A friend of mine has recently published his theory (here) which gives it a more (modern) scientific foundation.
There is slightly more to it which you can read in Tesla's article of June 1900: "The problem of increasing human energy". The part where he describes the self acting machine. You will LOVE that article once you know how to read it. Part of it is explained here.
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To some extend. I am still working on the final proof, which I hope to get very soon.

As I said my answer here will probably disappoint you, but I can talk freely about SWP


@dR-Green: Great work! Those coils look familiar!



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Thanks for your reply and the links. I look forward to reading these docs. Yes, I did see a photo you posted a while back of the TMT you were working on. Pretty exciting stuff. Hope all goes well. Each of us must share in the manner that best fits our circumstances.

I'm not so sure I would share your "difference in potential" assessment of power in the SWP setup as the complete answer. I believe it may indeed be part of the "recipe." However, from my perspective, it is what that difference in potential does to the circuit and surrounding environment, including (and especially) the battery, that fosters a kind of active participation, if you like, by the ambient in the kind of charge made available to the load.

Dr. Green - very enticing photos. I will examine them multiple times to be sure. Photos of this kind are like eye-catching lures in a river of hungry fish. You've got my attention.

Duncan, thanks for your contribution, and I look forward to reviewing the links you kindly shared. Always a pleasure to review the web of interconnected insights in your posts, sir!

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Most everybody here either is strung up in traditional electrical paradigms, or have adopted their own "speak" about new phenomena and might as well be speaking a foreign language.

That speak satisfies their own egos, but does little to advance the collaborative alternative energy field.

I for one believe that many answers can be found in this SWP subject, but the real exploration for most, is more like an afterthought.

If it can be experimentally proven that ambient power exist, can be collected and transformed to do work - wouldn't that just about change everything?
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I think it's no wonder no one understands it. Look at the language used and discussion so far. Quantum this, ambient that, conventional electricity, unconventional. "One-dimensional electricity". What is that??

It's a self-inflicted maze, there's no need for any of it. If I can make stuff that works without knowing any of it, and people who know it don't make stuff that works, then I must conclude that all the extra talk with big words is absolutely useless. But you can sure confuse the beginners through using big irrelevant words! (Isn't that the master plan?)

Your hi-fi will work without the ground connection on the audio input (single wire). The audio signal frequency is sufficiently high. Radio frequency is simply higher still, but otherwise exactly the same principle. You can use your off the shelf audio amplifier to drive your experimental circuits providing they're within the amplifier's frequency range, it's not magic and doesn't need any quantum theories to explain it.

Transmission line theory explains a lot. This video should be mandatory viewing.

AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior (Bonus Edition) - YouTube

It would be advisable to forget everything about Joule Thieves and Slayer circuits and anything else that has been learned on youtube and start from the start. A signal generator, or AC source, and basic (Tesla) coil is all you need. Any transformer for that matter, but it helps to stay on top of the design.

As Carroll already mentioned, ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbook will be most useful here.

More will be learned within 6 months of doing this than 6 years of youtube-ing:

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Thanks Ernst. Saw pictures of your setup a couple of months ago too I think, it's coming along nicely!
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My Father often told me when I was growing up, "the proof is in the pudding." Ultimately, it is results that speak. And yes, a big part of the problem is that we are perhaps trying to identify a common set of terms, a common language to describe SWP phenomena with fewer concrete examples than theories, which abound.

With enough replicated SWP setups and related effects, we should start to see some kind of consensus around what's being produced, and how it's being done.

I'll post some more examples from online sources; anyone else, please feel free to do so as well.
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With enough replicated SWP setups and related effects, we should start to see some kind of consensus around what's being produced, and how it's being done.

I'll post some more examples from online sources; anyone else, please feel free to do so as well.
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In my opinion all the "methods" are distractions from the subject. That is to say, there are different methods of achieving the same effect which is one effect, while the different methods are themselves experimental things under development and study. So it will naturally lead to a mess of confusion because there are so many variables involved.

A simple Tesla coil consisting of primary and secondary with an AC source is all you need. Nothing could be simpler. Tune the oscillator to the coil's resonant frequency and you're set up for all your single wire transmission experiments. It's as simple as tuning a radio, because that's essentially what radio is. No fancy oscillators and coils and feedbacks and ferrite rings or a particular type of transistor. Just a signal generator, and amplify signal as desired.

Bulb In Water - Mini Tesla "Test Coil" - YouTube

Also all kinds of transmission mediums work

Tesla Magnifying Transmitter - Colorado Springs Scale Model 1860 kc - Single Wire & Wireless Light - YouTube



The earth terminal is the (single pole) output.
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In my opinion all the "methods" are distractions from the subject. That is to say, there are different methods of achieving the same effect which is one effect, while the different methods are themselves experimental things under development and study. So it will naturally lead to a mess of confusion because there are so many variables involved.

A simple Tesla coil consisting of primary and secondary with an AC source is all you need. Nothing could be simpler. Tune the oscillator to the coil's resonant frequency and you're set up for all your single wire transmission experiments. It's as simple as tuning a radio, because that's essentially what radio is. No fancy oscillators and coils and feedbacks and ferrite rings or a particular type of transistor. Just a signal generator, and amplify signal as desired.

Bulb In Water - Mini Tesla "Test Coil" - YouTube

Also all kinds of transmission mediums work

Tesla Magnifying Transmitter - Colorado Springs Scale Model 1860 kc - Single Wire & Wireless Light - YouTube

The earth terminal is the (single pole) output.
Thanks Dr. Green for the helpful post. Those are excellent demos of single wire transmission. I'd encourage anyone to watch them.

As you say, there are varieties of approaches to generating an AC signal that oscillates a primary and secondary at its resonant frequency. Yes, the sig gen is a simple and direct way to achieve this effect. However, there are others, and if we can recognize them as different paths toward achieving the same effect, we should be able to avoid confusion.

To me, both videos demonstrate the interplay of the ambient medium with the resonant HF AC one wire connection to a bulb. The addition of some kind of ground (physical or virtual [antenna]) connection seems to supply what is necessary to complete the circuit so that the bulb lights.

Would you concur?
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The addition of some kind of ground (physical or virtual [antenna]) connection seems to supply what is necessary to complete the circuit so that the bulb lights.

Would you concur?
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I would concur with the first part, but not the second. I don't see that ambient energy plays any role whatsoever.

A capacitance AFTER the bulb filament, in my terminology, is in effect loading the terminating end of the transmission line; now the energy is flowing to the terminating capacity via the bulb filament, which happens to be a part of the transmission line, and so it lights.

When the capacitance is removed, the bulb itself becomes the termination, and therefore the energy has no reason to pass through the filament and cause it to light. The transmission line needs some "loading" on the terminating end.

The principle is shown in the Bell Labs video. If the bulb is the termination then the wave will simply reflect back down the transmission line. But you want the energy to flow THROUGH the filament, not reflect off it.
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If you observe an operating Tesla Hairpin circuit - it appears that the nature of power changes at a certain point (opposite C). Are you saying that at the point of transformation that the energy produced is not from the ambient?



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If you observe an operating Tesla Hairpin circuit - it appears that the nature of power changes at a certain point (opposite C). Are you saying that at the point of transformation that the energy produced is not from the ambient?
Tesla describes that experiment in "The Inventions, Researches, and Writings of Nikola Tesla"

The Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla, With Special Reference to His Work in Polyphase Currents and High Potential Lighting: Amazon.co.uk: Nikola Tesla, Thomas Commerford Martin: 9781614270607: Books

The same is also described in another experiment, wherein he has a length of wire connected to one terminal of a coil, and observes a bulb lighting and getting dimmer, then lighting again and so on along the length of the wire.

[edit] He connects both terminals of the bulb to the same length of wire, the bulb is essentially short circuited, but depending on where the connections are made along the wire, the bulb lights, or not.[/edit]

The "energised" points related to the wavelength/frequency of operation which set up standing waves along the length of wire that was being used. Tesla doesn't make any references to any ambient energy, or the environment at all for that matter, simply wave propagation and transmission line theory.

Also I'm not sure that it's accurate to say that it's a different form of energy as such. AC at low frequency can kill you, but AC at high frequency apparently does no harm. Why would they be supposed to be different forms of energy? Does a bass singer produce a different form of energy to a soprano singer simply because they sing in different frequency ranges?
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So you don't believe in an opportunistic potential force that permeates the space between the ionosphere and the earth? Radiant, Cosmic, Electrostatics, etc are often mentioned by Tesla.

Certainly as frequency changes so does the opportunity. I don't really care what we call it - but your friend Tesla certainly demonstrated the change of nature of different forms of power. So much so that HE termed them distinctly.

Please understand I have no wish to make this complicated in any way, I just want to see the whole picture.

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Single wire transmission and the radiant energy principle are different things.

If you are wanting to receive energy from the atmosphere then I don't see how charging metal plates or terminals to high potentials from your own power supply is supposed to be beneficial to the cause.

Energy is meant to flow from high potential to low, so I can't see how one can conclude that a Tesla coil for example will gain energy from the sky or whatever it may be. If the terminal is a higher potential than the surrounding atmosphere then obviously it won't work as one may have hoped. ANY charge on the terminal will have a negative effect. It would be like trying to fill a bucket with free water, but you've already filled it half way from your own supply so it completely defies the point. Not to mention the terminal is directly shorted to ground through the coil so if anything it will essentially just drain energy from the sky to ground.

Tesla's radiant energy patent is based on using an isolated elevated metal plate to charge a condenser, using the potential difference between the earth and the plate, the condenser leaving it an open circuit. The discharging of the condenser requires connecting both terminals of the condenser to a load. But it needs to be switched between charge and discharge in order to work because a short circuit obviously won't allow the condenser to charge, which is where all the other infamous stuff enters the story.
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It appears hard for you to consider that energy could be like air, its everywhere. I am quite sure before man, there was energy and not the other way around.

I like the way you simplify Tesla's work, but there are many others that have published significant bodies of work from theoretical to practical that shed light on a larger story. Like Bedini, Moray, Smith, Casimir, Beardon, etc.

If you consider their experimental work, there is often a less conventional explanation for why power appears at places that you would not normally expect, when filtering results with traditional understandings.

Referencing these inventors above, who do you think is less than credible relative to their offered energy perspectives?
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