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Old 05-14-2015, 06:43 PM
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Mexico Bike ..is it OU Or ?...

Any feed back or comments would be welcome

Mexican students invent eco-friendly motorbike

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In praise of Don Smith

Don Smith explains how to build it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWLk3psFx0Q

5min in if you want to skip (I advise you to watch the whole video 1 to 6)

Now you know what the capacitors are there for.
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In the video Don talks about a circuit for a 10v operational
device to run a motor.

Does anyone know what that circuit looked like?

The only circuit I see is of Don running high voltage.

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Would the caps used on a motorbike have to be big like Farads ???

I liked an HV vid posted a while back where the guy filled up his room with Leyden Jars.

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Recycling glass jars and fizzy cans can be fun. Wonderful stuff glass, not too leaky, but there is probably better.
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In the video Don talks about a circuit for a 10v operational
device to run a motor.

Does anyone know what that circuit looked like?

The only circuit I see is of Don running high voltage.

Mike
Don gave the principle of operation. If you watch the video series it's quite clear.
Carlos Benitez used the same principle in a series of patents from 1914 to 1918.

Google is your friend here.
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Hi to all

According to the video of the news does not seem OU. I understand that is recharged by the power of pedaling, and then use the engine to go up a road.
I have not seen any electric scheme, some link?


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Don gave the principle of operation. If you watch the video series it's quite clear.
Carlos Benitez used the same principle in a series of patents from 1914 to 1918.

Google is your friend here.

Thanks KING

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Old 05-15-2015, 07:24 PM
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I don't think so

torpex
I don't think it has Pedals ??
Stefan has some Pics here

R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico

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Ok, I am wrong

@Ramset
Thanks for the link to OU
I have read all the thread and I have seen external links.
In the news, little technical information, almost everything is copy and paste
A little info:
Estados | Estudiantes de robótica del COBAO quieren viajar a Rumania - Diario Oaxaca

Battery start spark
A toothed belt moves the toothed wheel
Inside of the rim there is a dynamo, this collects the energy to run the electric motor

The set consists of battery, electric motor (2700 rpm) , toothed belt, toothed wheel, dynamo, capacitor

0.3 volts are lost in the conversion process

Sometimes they say that the battery is used only for the initial spark
Sometimes they say it is used to drive the electric motor

The battery has been 5 months without recharging

They claim self-sustaining, this was the goal in the initial project

I thought it was a green project, now I have my doubts.


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Thanks for looking it up.

I allready wondered, why someone start jabbering something about Don Smith, what is once not related here when you look at the video and 2nd anyone can really doubt, that this guys ever heared from don smith.
Some Guys really need to stay more sober before they start writing.

From the Pictures is to see that there is a generator at the back wheel like a dynamo, and some leads to the supercaps. So nothing big fancy here.
Even tho they claim that it becomes self-sustaining at a rpm over 2000.
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Thanks for the contribution ,they are /were at a contest in Romania...
The claims of self sustaining must be explained a bit more IMO.

hopefully some clarity will be forthcoming ,regenerative braking is
really nothing extraordinary ,and all their other claims of long distance ,high speeds and not having charged the battery in 5 months ...

odd indeed.

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R-Walker Selfsustaining Free Energy bike from Mexico

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I just got a message from Victor. He wrote:

Hola soy el creador de r-walker. Una disculpa por no haber contestado antes este mensaje estabamos preparando nuestro viaje a rumania. Ahorita estamos en la competencia infomatrix y lo estamos presentado.. Mucho gusto mi nombre es victor ricardo matias garcia.
Que es lo que te gustaria conocer acerca del r-walker.

Means:

Hello I am the creator of r-walker. An apology for not answering before this message we were preparing our trip to Romania. We are right now in the Infomatrix competition and we are presented .. Much like my name is victor ricardo matias garcia.
What do you like to know about the r-walker.

I wrote then back:

Hi Victor,
many thanks for answering.
Yes, I have seen that you went to Romania for this competition.
I hope you will win there.
Well, you have a pretty long name, I hope it is okay when I just call you Victor ?
I am writing this via the Google Translator website because I can not speak Spanish language.
I can only speak German language, my mother language and English language.
I hope the translation via Google Translator is readable for you.

Well, we are all very exited about your invention.
Is it only a range extender so you can drive further with one battery charge ?
Or do you really need not to charge your battery at all ?

Some people speculated that the Reuters report on your bike device had a wrong translation and your circuit might be only a range extender circuit, so you can drive longer with one battery charge ?

Otherwise will you soon publish some more data about it ?
Are you going to Open Source this technology ?

Are you using the BackEMF from the motor to recharge your Super Capacitors
and thus recharge your battery ?
Or do you have invented a special "back drag" free generator ?
Normally you always have the Lenz law against you to generate enough energy in the generator to overcome the losses.

So can you tell us some more information about this ?
Maybe some other people can try to replicate it and confirm your circuit ?

Many thanks.
Looking forward to hear more from you.
Regards, Stefan.
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Thanks for looking it up.

I allready wondered, why someone start jabbering something about Don Smith, what is once not related here when you look at the video and 2nd anyone can really doubt, that this guys ever heared from don smith.
Some Guys really need to stay more sober before they start writing.
Hi JOIT

I wondered why the young man mentioned Don Smith as well so
I followed the video link over to youtube where some off conference
of DON talking about regenerative acceleration, this is a very old subject.

So what the young man pointed out was that DON talked about this
stuff decades ago and the patents are even older than that. We
have 100 years of catching up to do so all information should be
reviewed even if it comes from a liar something can be learned.

Even a liar has to tell lies to cover his lies and by doing so reveals
the truth.

I get fed up with all of the unfounded claims too, JOIT.

Regenerative braking is a process of motor coil phasing to
use,capture,reuse REACTIVE POWER or phantom power in a
way that the motor speeds up under load.

DON talks about it in the video posted.

Don really ticks me off with all of his drooling after that stroke
he had, but I got to hand it to him for trying. He was so old
in the video I could not make it all out. Very frustrating to listen.

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BroMikey,

Where in the world do you come up with these off the wall definitions? Regenerative braking has absolutely nothing to do with a motor speeding up under load. Regenerative braking is a control system that allows you to use the motor as a generator when the load is driving the motor. The power is then put back into the battery to extend the distance you can go. It is a common system used in electric vehicles. Downhill runs can then be used to help recharge the battery. But it has nothing to do with a motor speeding up under load.


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Regenerative braking is a process of motor coil phasing to
use,capture,reuse REACTIVE POWER or phantom power in a
way that the motor speeds up under load.


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Where in the world do you come up with these off the wall definitions? Regenerative braking has absolutely nothing to do with a motor speeding up under load. Regenerative braking is a control system that allows you to use the motor as a generator when the load is driving the motor. The power is then put back into the battery to extend the distance you can go. It is a common system used in electric vehicles. Downhill runs can then be used to help recharge the battery. But it has nothing to do with a motor speeding up under load.




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Yes you are right sorry guys I meant to say "Regenerative Acceleration.
One man named Thane said he found out how to regenerative accelerate motors while studying braking. This adventure is many many years old.

So you are right to correct me.

Mikey PS I went back and fixed the error.
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With caps that big maybe it could be run like a Tesla switch with rejuvanitive topups
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With caps that big maybe it could be run like a Tesla switch with rejuvanitive topups

Hi Lotec

That sounds like a really cool design, do you have any flow charts or
diagrams that show basic circuit operation? I have heard of all
of these ideas,like the switch and the split positive work but
I wonder if anyone has a circuit picture of the basic idea of
one of these designs running while the motor is powered up
and under some kind of a load?

Other wise I can not visualize what something like that might
look like. It could be? I don't know how it looks.

When DON SMITH and THANE HIENS talked about it, their work
with reactive power spoke for itself. Always phasing relationships
of looping recirculating coils, opposing coils, bucking coils.

As far as I know the Tesla switch motor stuff like the bendzite
Patents of the early 1900's worked with massive commutator
action. Like the 4th of july.

But then again that is just me, I don't know much more.


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var

On second thoughts I think the device works on var.
I suspect the two caps are part of two tank circuits,
one with the generator, the other with the motor.
It's possible they've succeeded in converting reactive power into real power.
I originally thought that they used the Don Smith principle of electrostatic
induction which is known to be cop 2 minus system losses.
To those who post unkind comments, I happen to know of a former
Soviet university, which has replicated a Don Smith circuit. They used 4 watts input to produce 1.6kw var exactly as Smith predicted. But guess what? I'm not telling. After some of the insulting comments on this thread this is my last post here.
I know Tinsel Koala has produced 28 times ou but in var, and he states that the oscillations stop if you attempt to extract from the circuit.
I suspect the 17 year olds have figured it out.
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I have watched some of the DON comments and I do not agree
with them. Don simply could not give away all of his secrets
in detail as he told everyone were bought and paid for by commercial
interest.

As Don neared death he began to share more and more because
he figured out that his work was being covered up like all other
inventions do. No big surprise to me that the news of DON's
devices were revolutionizing the world after 40 years of
operations.

The industry professionals buying up these inventions bury
them right after they make it look like the invention is in use
and the inventor will rest easy to the world is on it's way
to utopia.

I know about the hate for DON on this site, old news.

I am not one of them. Don was just another man who got
sucked in to thinking his inventions would change the world.

And nothing happened so as DON got very old he figured that the
interest that lied to him and bought up his work couldn't kill him twice,
began sharing more.

All inventors are painted up as kook's.

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Hi Bro Mikey.

I didnt have any exact schematics in mind. Just the general vague concept of battery charges caps in parallel thru motor, then caps in series charge battery thru motor. Perhaps the swithching could be voltage event driven, but as for the nominal voltages for the switching, that probably depends on other variables to.

Personally Ive never switched currents of up to say 20 amps before so on a practicle level you probably know more than me. One swithcing circuit I used a while back involved 2 NE555 s wired as a dual toggling output bistable latch using p and n channel fets (irf540n, and irf9540n) switched using two separate voltage sensors (op amp comparitor).

I do love the determination, ingenuity and craftsmanship of the old school ways

Mr King could well be on to something with his latest suggestions, please keep posting I still want to glean the last piece or two of the puzzle. not everyone is going to luv it.

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Using the scooters speed controller as a battery jump starter to fast charge a dead or drained car battery with 24 volts dc something to do with frequency as someone suggested before when I wast looking for a fast charger nowadays
they are flooding the market with china made made ones and handy or smaller


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Hi Bro Mikey.

I didnt have any exact schematics in mind. Just the general vague concept of battery charges caps in parallel thru motor, then caps in series charge battery thru motor.


I do love the determination, ingenuity and craftsmanship of the old school ways


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Hi Lotec

That sounds like what MR DOUG KONZEN is working on. I have not heard
of any successfully built examples for practical users, mostly all theory.

Some have used the Tesla switch this way and when you look around
the world there are no examples of working units charging say a solar
bank or even a scooter battery.

DOUG KONZEN also works with the coil shorting and ROTOVERTER
coil phasing plus sending energy to caps and back around again.

The cap parallel then series scheme is a boost converter without
the use of a coil to get the higher voltages. Some say boosting
voltage, multiplies energy through many means such as a spike
might stimulate ions or some say it is the plasma, still others say
it must be done in bucking coils and on and on we go.

I agree these are all thoughts on "THE METHOD OF CONVERSION"
keep up the communication efforts trying to establish some sort
of common denominator.

The booster conversion work comes in many forms and always
requires a low voltage to go higher and from there timing often
in the form of resonating coils.

One inventor I knows says that his system brings in extra energy
when the coils are harmonically tuned to each other and at the
same time are made to interfere with one another to cause stresses
on the local environment.

In other ways of writing this same idea you could say that his
machine produces a form on harmonic energy that we are all
well acquainted with and then once the energy field is created
the tuning is adjusted to cause a small degree of conflict.

According to some this is where the magic appears.

Your idea of using motor coils on a scooter motor in conjunction
with parallel series cap booster schemes are a wonderful idea.

Whoever gets that working will be the next practice target
he will run the world's energy supply.

Bill Alek is the only guy I have ever heard say he has a self
charging scooter. But he is afraid to go public with it.

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Hi Bro Mikey,
Thanks for your reply, it looks like you really done your homework with the different devices and options out there.

On the surface it sort of seems that Tesla switching batteries and or caps in different arrangements might conserve some of the energy but I do have some doubts too.

The source of those doubts comes from a circuit I made a while back which had 2 cap banks, while one was being charged by the battery thru the load the other was being discharged in series with the battery thru the load into the first one, the two cap banks were contiuously swapping roles. I was very excited untill I ran the circuit and found it only ran at unity. It was basically a buck booster with the load in a different place. I never tried it with an inductive load.

I havent heard alot of success stories with Tesla switching, not sure if the problem is in getting the circuit going or once its going it doesnt give the hoped for benefits. I was in the throws of resurrecting the circuit and tweaking it to be a 4 battery Tesla type switch but thinking perhaps the outcome will be the same as above. I thought that perhaps using all batteries and no caps might change things. Some people have had luck with 3 battery system. Ill do a bit more reading on Tesla switch and see where things were left. So I am curious about other peoples personal experiences with such arrangements.

About the parellel tank with motor coil and caps, thanks for the kind words, Id love to own that one but, a.King21 suggested that first.

Thanks for all your suggestions including the coils tuned with harmonics.

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So for starters I don't know what BroMikey said because he is on my ignore list and thats because he is a spasming idiot not worth any attention.

If you noticed the motor in the bike was a MY1016 or a variant of.

They go from 1/4 horse to 1.5 horsepower. Someone recently showed a rewound MY1016 that has really high efficiency. So some have seen it because they replicated it and some people just hope talking will get them there. More spasming idiots...

While a motors coils are engaged by the brushes the motor is a predictable inductor with a small variable curve. The longer you engage the brushes the more predictable that motor becomes as an inductor, the more predictable the curve becomes.

Now you start with the battery that is running a boost circuit (Boost circuits can now be as high as 96% EFFICIENT EVEN UNDER VARIABLE CONDITIONS) through the predictable motor into the capacitor bank that has a comparable storage capacity of the battery, then you run the power back again in the opposite direction.
As long as the battery has not decided to stop taking the charge in the period of time you sent the charge to it, it will be 100% efficient. It will act on the short term as a capacitor. How short is the short term? nS, or uS in the case of some larger batteries. But you have to be able to see it and you have to be able to react pro actively and not post actively or you loose on every cycle.

Now back to the motor which is running between 2 potentials. The input maybe 745.6998 watts but the motor runs 8% percent more power to ground, unless you are between 2 potentials. What now is your gain? The Tesla switch works, and works well as long as you look to see what you are doing. But most of you don't even know how to use a scope...

Are smarter than BroMikey?

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Hi Bro Mikey,
Thanks for your reply, it looks like you really done your homework with the different devices and options out there.

On the surface it sort of seems that Tesla switching batteries and or caps in different arrangements might conserve some of the energy but I do have some doubts too.

The source of those doubts comes from a circuit I made a while back which had 2 cap banks, while one was being charged by the battery thru the load the other was being discharged in series with the battery thru the load into the first one, the two cap banks were contiuously swapping roles. I was very excited untill I ran the circuit and found it only ran at unity. It was basically a buck booster with the load in a different place. I never tried it with an inductive load.

I havent heard alot of success stories with Tesla switching, not sure if the problem is in getting the circuit going or once its going it doesnt give the hoped for benefits. I was in the throws of resurrecting the circuit and tweaking it to be a 4 battery Tesla type switch but thinking perhaps the outcome will be the same as above. I thought that perhaps using all batteries and no caps might change things. Some people have had luck with 3 battery system. Ill do a bit more reading on Tesla switch and see where things were left. So I am curious about other peoples personal experiences with such arrangements.

About the parellel tank with motor coil and caps, thanks for the kind words, Id love to own that one but, a.King21 suggested that first.

Thanks for all your suggestions including the coils tuned with harmonics.

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Thanks Lotec
I am speaking from a non version specific view and hoped for a more
advanced experimenter to chime in. And there he is. I am sorry that
we must put up with all of the name calling but the site owners will
not follow their own guidelines.

I am for clean and kind exchanges and will be glad to share with
you what I know and had heard about free energy and apologize
for those who are past feeling.

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Hi Bro Mikey

Thanks for your last post, very reassuring. Your a humble man, a wonderful virtue to have, so am I, just ask me. After Mats last post Im inspired to forge on with the Tesla Switch. Its understandable that as people become more erudite and accomplished that their tolerance for wrong views and conclusions goes down. (talking about mine)

I managed to dig up this schematic .Here the switches are set so that C1 is being charged thru the load and C2 is being discharged in series with the battery thru the load into C1.

Perhaps if operated at the right frequency and outfitted with a decent pair of caps like those 1.5 F, there is a motor out there that will get along with it.

Thanks for keeping it lite, I think you have inspired alot of good research.

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You are a very kind person. Stay positive and keep me up
on your progress. It looks like you will win this race.

I like diagrams, like make me think.

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