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Old 10-25-2017, 11:19 PM
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Hi level,
My test setup confirms what you and Luc are saying. Unless there is some new info, there is not much I can do. Spent over to $2k on this project, but it was alot of fun!

Do you see anything out there that looks promising to getting free electricity simply?

My continuing multi-decade project, splitting water ala Brown's gas/hydroxy gas, and then fueling a motor/genset to creating electricity. It is not simple like this B&L project was, taking only 2 months to build!
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Thanks for posting your honest results vrand.
Sorry to hear it cost you $2,000. to find out it doesn't work and came to the same conclusion as I have recently come to and what level has been trying to communicate for over 2 years.

Lucky for me it didn't cost me anything since I used what I already had on hand to confirm the measurement error.
Often experimenters just walk away when they see the negative results. However, by posting your bad results will helps others and I decided to take the time to make video demos so others may re-think before spending thousands of dollars on something that's clear to fail.

It's interesting to see attacks from some when all I'm doing is trying to help bring a better understanding.
You would think that with the 10 years of me sharing free energy experiments and videos people would trust that I'm not just a naysayer and am truly a OU researcher, experimenter.
I do this full time 40 hours a week with zero income in hopes to find something useful for our world. However, even after all this time I still haven't found something real or useful.
I'm saying this to help answer your question if there's something else out there you can build that will give you positive results.
All I can say is be careful!... my 10 years of testing most every claims out there have not yet provided any proof of OU let alone a device that works as claimed.
99% of OU claims out there are measurement error, an oversight, lack of understanding or purposeful deception for monetary gain.
That's why before testing any claims I look for a reliable a replication with good measurement data to back it up which in most cases you won't find it if you know what to look for.

There may be a way to use ground to assist in a circuit but it's not the case as you have found here.

Hope this helps you and others.

Kind regards and thanks again for sharing your true test results.

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Old 10-26-2017, 12:33 AM
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Perfect example of another pack dog not following instructions. Notice
how the focus on a few bucks but no mention or plea on how to fix
his setup. He never intended to get it working since he can not show his
array of grounding rods.

He is calling us liars when it is him who has lied about his setup.

It's like Hillary saying Trump is selling Uranium to the Russians when
it was her all along.

The rusty nail trick is easy to spot, you just follow the bouncing ball
that always lands in his buddies court. Bad-mittens or dirty hands?

This is the same ole tactic so people won't try.
Hi Bromikey,
Would like to see Clarence photos of his inverter/battery connection to his device. Maybe I missed it, did you see it? He showed his utility connected device.

Replicated his utility connections and readings but not his inverter/battery setup, as unknown how he did it. Not calling anyone a liar.
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Old 10-26-2017, 01:02 AM
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Thanks for posting your honest results vrand.
Sorry to hear it cost you $2,000. to find out it doesn't work and came to the same conclusion as I have recently come to and what level has been trying to communicate for over 2 years.

Lucky for me it didn't cost me anything since I used what I already had on hand to confirm the measurement error.
Often experimenters just walk away when they see the negative results. However, by posting your bad results will helps others and I decided to take the time to make video demos so others may re-think before spending thousands of dollars on something that's clear to fail.

It's interesting to see attacks from some when all I'm doing is trying to help bring a better understanding.
You would think that with the 10 years of me sharing free energy experiments and videos people would trust that I'm not just a naysayer and am truly a OU researcher, experimenter.
I do this full time 40 hours a week with zero income in hopes to find something useful for our world. However, even after all this time I still haven't found something real or useful.
I'm saying this to help answer your question if there's something else out there you can build that will give you positive results.
All I can say is be careful!... my 10 years of testing most every claims out there have not yet provided any proof of OU let alone a device that works as claimed.
99% of OU claims out there are measurement error, an oversight, lack of understanding or purposeful deception for monetary gain.
That's why before testing any claims I look for a reliable a replication with good measurement data to back it up which in most cases you won't find it if you know what to look for.

There may be a way to use ground to assist in a circuit but it's not the case as you have found here.

Hope this helps you and others.

Kind regards and thanks again for sharing your true test results.

Luc
Hi Luc,
Thank you for your many years of videos, interviews, world travels, energy conferences, forums, (this forum!) for energy researchers to share their experiments to others, maybe someone will hit the Jackpot and share their results with others to replicate!

THat is what was hoping for on this device, but lack of info on the inverter/battery connection, can not continue.

Keep up the good work Luc!
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Old 10-26-2017, 01:14 AM
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Hi Bromikey,
Not calling anyone a liar.
Cheers
But you say he is misleading folks. Yes you are. When you are thru
with those inverters and watt meters just resell them and you won't
be out any money. However if you want to complete this test
the instructions call for starting with 10 or more rods and build
up as needed. In other words as more rods were installed, more amps
were available.

You must show your grounding rods which is the hardest to accomplish.

Without that you should buy some batteries and use them with your
inverter and watt meter. Buy a solar panel also. The watt meter can also
be used to check your draw.

Do you have a parcel that can be devoted to an array of copper coated
rods? The captor collects energy from the ground so you need some
surface area to do that. And BTW all that whining people do about
spending their chicken feed allowance on a few trinkets is hilarious.

While some of these disinformation monkeys are moaning about price
they are getting kick backs in the thousands weekly. Beware of who
you chum with.

Yes the grounding rods setup was shown way back when, people who
are serious need to at least read thru the material. We have given you
more than the B&L boys have so follow the instructions.

The reference one gentlemen made to following the yellow brick road
is a code message like "everything turning to gold" these people are
sent and paid to disrupt.
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Old 10-26-2017, 01:23 AM
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Hi Luc,
Thank you for your many years of videos, interviews, world travels, energy conferences, forums, (this forum!) for energy researchers to share their experiments to others, maybe someone will hit the Jackpot and share their results with others to replicate!

THat is what was hoping for on this device, but lack of info on the inverter/battery connection, can not continue.

Keep up the good work Luc!
Cheers
Thanks vrand for your supportive post

I've recently been interested and looking into ground related devices and why I've looked into this topic.
I'll definitely post anything I find interesting or related to ground.

Kind regards

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Old 10-26-2017, 01:25 AM
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But you say he is misleading folks. Yes you are. When you are thru
with those inverters and watt meters just resell them and you won't
be out any money. However if you want to complete this test
the instructions call for starting with 10 or more rods and build
up as needed. In other words as more rods were installed, more amps
were available.

You must show your grounding rods which is the hardest to accomplish.

Without that you should buy some batteries and use them with your
inverter and watt meter. Buy a solar panel also. The watt meter can also
be used to check your draw.

Do you have a parcel that can be devoted to an array of copper coated
rods? The captor collects energy from the ground so you need some
surface area to do that. And BTW all that whining people do about
spending their chicken feed allowance on a few trinkets is hilarious.

While some of these disinformation monkeys are moaning about price
they are getting kick backs in the thousands weekly. Beware of who
you chum with.

Yes the grounding rods setup was shown way back when, people who
are serious need to at least read thru the material. We have given you
more than the B&B boys have so follow the instructions.

The reference one gentlemen made to following the yellow brick road
is a code message like "everything turning to gold" these people are
sent and paid to disrupt.
Hi Bromiky,
Not even saying his is misleading. Not saying anything really, just asking for more info on his inverter/battery setup so can continue replication of this B&L device.
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Old 10-26-2017, 01:31 AM
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Hi Bromiky,
Not even saying his is misleading. Not saying anything really, just asking for more info on his inverter/battery setup so can continue replication of this B&L device.
Cheers
Fair enough I guess that quote was from ole smooth lips, not you.

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Unfortunately Clarence has been misleading people in this thread for 2 1/2 years
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Old 10-26-2017, 01:25 PM
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Hello vrand. Unfortunately I do not know of any type of free energy devices which hold a lot of promise and for which all of the replication details are known, and where one or more people have been able to independently replicate the over unity results. I think at least some devices out there do seem to hold some promise however. I do my own experimenting as well, but haven't tested with any setup I can say is definitely over unity so far. I spent a few years on Don Smith's stuff and various other types of setups since then as well, but no luck so far.

BroMikey does not know what he is talking about when he says having a lot of ground rods will make these B&L captor loop devices over unity. It will lower the overall ground rod array resistance to ground current, but I don't know of anyone who has ever demonstrated anything relating to these B&L captor loop setups and who has shown some proper measurements that indicate anything unusual happening. That is just a fair and honest assessment from what I have seen over the last couple of years or so. Unfortunately a few people here seem to think that if someone is honest about any particular setup that they must be 'suppression agents'. Of course that is silly. If someone wants any hope of ever finding real over unity, it is unlikely they can do so if they are unwilling to fairly and honestly look at and consider all the facts.

Anyway, as I have mentioned, I emailed B&L a couple of months ago and pointed out the major problem of testing the B&L 'captor loop' setups using the mains, and asked if their captor loop setups could produce over unity if powered with a battery and inverter to eliminate the mains ground loop problem. They answered "Not yet". They said they stopped working with those 'captor loop' setups back in Oct. 2013, but they are currently working on a new idea they have for a new type of over unity device. It seems pretty clear to me from what they replied to me that they no longer believe those 'captor loop' type devices are over unity. Otherwise I see no reason why they would have answered me with "not yet" in regards to whether their devices are over unity, and stopped working with the captor loop devices for several years already, and are now working on a new type of over unity device idea. If they were suppressed by their government or whatever, then they likely wouldn't have answered my emails, and wouldn't have told me they are now working on a new idea for a new type of over unity device.

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Old 10-26-2017, 02:27 PM
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Hi level,
Thanks for the updated info on B&L THe battery/inverter connection is where B&L was stuck, can add me to the list!
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Old 10-26-2017, 03:33 PM
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Hi Vrand
I live in a house with only solar energy thus I was forced from the begining to use inverter and no way. Perhaps there is some configuraation I dont know but... The easiestt way now is go solar , panels are cheaper than ever and some maglev windmill.
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Why trust non builders??

Vrand,
Those that have NOT built this setup and installed the ground grid can't know what they are talking about. All any of us including me has is just an opinion. Nobody here has installed 20 or more grounding rods in the ground to even have an idea if this B&L setup works or not. Only Clarence has installed 60 rods in the ground to power this device.

So I'll not tell my opinion here cause I've no proof. But I know Clarence has and only he can have a true opinion on this matter.

These others have just opinions and no basic tests or experiments that carry any value on this forum. If fact one of these big mouths harnesses other threads as well.

Be wise people. Listen to true builders that actually post pictures and show proof of builds. It's a waste of time and space to argue with non builders.

Opinions are like arm pits, everyone has two and they both stink !!!!!!
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PS: I built this setup but don't have finances for the 20+ rods. And posted pictures of all my builds.
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Old 10-27-2017, 04:39 AM
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Hello all
now I have two toroidal transformers, very big transformers, they are 800 watts each one

I understood the copper rods have to be placed in a circle in the ground
let me know if it is right

and do you think that coper pipes could be used instead of the rods, because the rods are more expensive

please let me know thanks
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Old 10-27-2017, 05:19 AM
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now I have two toroidal transformers, very big transformers, they are 800 watts each one

I understood the copper rods have to be placed in a circle in the ground
let me know if it is right

and do you think that coper pipes could be used instead of the rods, because the rods are more expensive

please let me know thanks

Like WANTOMAKE has pointed out, I have no build, but what I do have
is a working understanding of this setup as I am the one who drew up
the diagram. The rods are not pure copper and yes pipes will work but
are to pricey. Use IRON RODS COATED WITHE COPPER this has been
given and I now have repeated it. The iron rod coated in copper is
cheap.

Depending on mineral content the coating my be eaten away after 10
years or so, this has been mentioned, i am repeating this fact. Rods
need to be experimented with first, this has been stated.

Drive 2 rods in the ground at 3 foot apart then do the test at 2
foot apart to find the best collection spacing for your ground. This
is not hard and needs to be done by each individual. Start with
a few cheap-O rods and add latter using you launch money.
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Old 10-27-2017, 02:58 PM
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Old 11-22-2017, 03:20 AM
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Like WANTOMAKE has pointed out, I have no build, but what I do have
is a working understanding of this setup as I am the one who drew up
the diagram. The rods are not pure copper and yes pipes will work but
are to pricey. Use IRON RODS COATED WITHE COPPER this has been
given and I now have repeated it. The iron rod coated in copper is
cheap.

Depending on mineral content the coating my be eaten away after 10
years or so, this has been mentioned, i am repeating this fact. Rods
need to be experimented with first, this has been stated.

Drive 2 rods in the ground at 3 foot apart then do the test at 2
foot apart to find the best collection spacing for your ground. This
is not hard and needs to be done by each individual. Start with
a few cheap-O rods and add latter using you launch money.

Hello, thanks for your answer.

I have a 800 watts toroidal transformer, but when I added the secundary turns, they started to be melt, due to the high temperature, I think due to the ampers.

I connected the secundary to the earth system but the problem continued
could you please tell me what I could do



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The y are probably trying to avoid ground loop because ground is actively used in their country to send AC power. It is called SWER system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return

I believe in essence their (B&L) system is the spin-off from Tesla transformer method. If you find Tesla patent he described some strange setup of two transformers (one step up and one step down) connected via ground and second wire. Although it is strange it was patented because te only difference is in usage flat pancake coils - the rest is like in common SWER system.

So where is the secret ? Barbosa and Leal explained it - the magnetic field of Earth is bonded to the loop between transformers generating excess power (much more then input). Looks like the same way worked Hubbard generator ,Hendershot and few others. It is one of two the most important discoveries in science , I believe.
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The y are probably trying to avoid ground loop because ground is actively used in their country to send AC power. It is called SWER system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return

I believe in essence their (B&L) system is the spin-off from Tesla transformer method. If you find Tesla patent he described some strange setup of two transformers (one step up and one step down) connected via ground and second wire. Although it is strange it was patented because te only difference is in usage flat pancake coils - the rest is like in common SWER system.

So where is the secret ? Barbosa and Leal explained it - the magnetic field of Earth is bonded to the loop between transformers generating excess power (much more then input). Looks like the same way worked Hubbard generator ,Hendershot and few others. It is one of two the most important discoveries in science , I believe.
hello, good coments, thanks.
but do you know How i could avoid this problem.
I did the connections like clarence said.
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hello, good coments, thanks.
but do you know How i could avoid this problem.
I did the connections like clarence said.
Do it just like THIS!

Then Get on with life.

NO MORE PM'S !!!!

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Hello, thanks for your answer.

I have a 800 watts toroidal transformer, but when I added the secundary turns, they started to be melt, due to the high temperature, I think due to the ampers.

I connected the secundary to the earth system but the problem continued
could you please tell me what I could do



thanks
Hey Frank

You are having the same thing as others who hooked it up wrong
but if you go back in the THREAD and read up you see what the right
way is. Even if you used it for a spot welder it shouldn't melt anything
unless you are shorting out the large windings.
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Old 11-23-2017, 01:12 AM
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You are having the same thing as others who hooked it up wrong
but if you go back in the THREAD and read up you see what the right
way is. Even if you used it for a spot welder it shouldn't melt anything
unless you are shorting out the large windings.
Ok, I will check it.
Just a comment, I changed the cable for a bigger one (#6) just to see what could happen, and just with one turn the melting appeared again. Attached is thepic.

I will review againg the connections

For the earthing I decided to use the structure of the house, because I dont have the right rods at this moment. But when I measured the ampers comming from the earth, I measured 4 ampers. But it didnt work anyway.
I will check
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Old 11-23-2017, 02:38 AM
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Ok, I will check it.
Just a comment, I changed the cable for a bigger one (#6) just to see what could happen, and just with one turn the melting appeared again. Attached is thepic.

I will review againg the connections

For the earthing I decided to use the structure of the house, because I dont have the right rods at this moment. But when I measured the ampers comming from the earth, I measured 4 ampers. But it didnt work anyway.
I will check
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Franklin,

Did you even look at the picture I sent????

Evidently NOT!!!!

THERE IS NO NEED TO ADD ANY TURNS ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK REAL HARD and you will see the there is only a PRIMARY on the toroid.

There is NO NEED for anything else!!!!! Get A Grip!!!

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Hello clarence

I agree with you
There is no secundary on the toroid
BUT I was adding a secundary because you posted a picture
Where you had twoo toroids with a secundary esch one
It was a blue cable, and that cable was connected to the earth system
But now you are saying that there is no need of a secundary

I will do it in this new way
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Hello clarence

I agree with you
There is no secundary on the toroid
BUT I was adding a secundary because you posted a picture
Where you had twoo toroids with a secundary esch one
It was a blue cable, and that cable was connected to the earth system
But now you are saying that there is no need of a secundary

I will do it in this new way
FRANKLIN,

The set of letters I have learned to observe in life are KISS .
This is an old time reminder many people use to keep themselves pointed in the right direction.
It simply stands for the phrase : "K-eep I-t S-imple S-tupid" .

The last Picture I showed is as simple as it gets.

You WILL need a couple of ground rods to be able to make any headway.
That is a MUST.
Stay away from trying to use any part of your house structure as a Ground!
That is a NO NO! Don't do it!

The ONLY purpose of the GDT is to act as a Safety Feature for the system and for the components involved in the system and any loads powered by the system.

Say that your mains power is !20 Plus AC volts the the GDT you need to use
should be at least a minimum of Ten more volts than 120.
If a lightning should strike around you area most likely that tremendous surge will also try to enter you system - However the GDT will immediately
function and create a SHORT condition and cause everything to TRIP and save the system itself.

Now you should have no problems.

Respectfully,

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Clarence you have taken much time to answer many questions, and I really appreceat that

In this simplified version, at first glance looks the system is fooling the meter, because the toroid is just connected and looks like it is not doing nothing. When it had the blue cable attached it was making more sense to me. But as you said it is a simplified version.
I did it in this new way,
I will try with qn inverter to see better.

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[QUOTE=FRANKLIN;306498]Clarence you have taken much time to answer many questions, and I really appreceat that

In this simplified version, at first glance looks the system is fooling the meter, because the toroid is just connected and looks like it is not doing nothing. When it had the blue cable attached it was making more sense to me. But as you said it is a simplified version.
I did it in this new way,
I will try with qn inverter to see better.

Best regards[/QUOTE

Franklin,

You won't see anything with an inverter - SORRY !
An Inverter in not connected to the ground but only to a battery - won't work.

I know how to make it happen but the results are not worth the effort and I won't waste my time to go into that,

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Clarence you have taken much time to answer many questions, and I really appreceat that

In this simplified version, at first glance looks the system is fooling the meter, because the toroid is just connected and looks like it is not doing nothing. When it had the blue cable attached it was making more sense to me. But as you said it is a simplified version.
I did it in this new way,
I will try with qn inverter to see better.

Best regards[/QUOTE

Franklin,

You won't see anything with an inverter - SORRY !
An Inverter in not connected to the ground but only to a battery - won't work.

I know how to make it happen but the results are not worth the effort and I won't waste my time to go into that,

CLARENCE
Clarence,
but there is a post where you said, that the device was working using an inverter, it was the set up where you were using the blue cable attached as secundary on the twoo toroids.

it is a little confuse from you

with respect clarence but it looks like you dont want to share something of your findings?

attached is the picture of the setup you said that worked with the inverter
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could you answer this question please

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Hi Luc,
My explanation of what is occurring is that the input Voltage AND Amperage are needed for this device to work. Without either the Amperage or Voltage the device does not work. AND the higher the input Amperage the higher the output Amperage, but the output Amperage or Voltage will not be higher than input. Its like a flat mirror reflecting the same image.

If I put a 5A fuse to limit the input Amperage to 5 amps, the output amperage will also stop at the 5 amp limit. This device will NOT increase the Voltage or Amperage.

This device only extracts/pulls the same, or less, voltage and amperage (due to ground and load losses) out of the Earth ground, using only 5 watts of input.

Now my AC meters are showing only 5 watts and 0.04 amps being used in the input. They could be wrong. One way to test it is by using a DC meter in an inverter/battery setup and put a DC amp meter to measure the net amps being used in the input side from the batteries.

Also, if I pulled out the ground wire connection to the device the device stops working. In previous tests I've written above, the 500 watt isolation transformer was limited to 5 amps output. So when I tried to add output loads higher than 500 watts the isolation transformer 5 amp fuse would pop out and shut down the isolation transformer output.

This device uses the input Voltage and Amperage (V/A) in a special way to pump out Earth electricity without actually using all of the input V/A, only a tiny amount is being used to do this. Strange indeed. Theoretically the sky is the limit. A larger size device who knows how many volts/amps of electricity could be extracted from the Earth.

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Hello

then in your setup, you were using like aprox. 12 ampers of input? from the electric grid?

and you got 12 ampers from the ground?

could you tell me at the end which the C.O.P. was?

kind regards
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I followed the simple set up

I followed the simple set up, that Clarence mentioned in his last picture, using the toroid without the secundary turns

my earth was coming from the iron structure of my house. I know that it is not correct but I did it just to make my FIRST TEST.

I noticed the following:

using the toroid and the earth connections, I got 12 ampers comming from the earth system. but also the positive/hot cable from the electric company was showing 12 ampers of consumption in the electric hair-dryer I was using to make the test.

so at the end I dont know if I am really obtaining the energy from the ground or from the electric company. that is why I was thinking in using the inverter and battery, but as Clarence mentioned before, it is no possible to use an inverter with the simple set up he showed us in his last picture, so I dont know if I was just fooling the meter of the house.

could somebody here comment?

thanks and have a nice day
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Mental problem?

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I followed the simple set up, that Clarence mentioned in his last picture, using the toroid without the secundary turns

my earth was coming from the iron structure of my house. I know that it is not correct but I did it just to make my FIRST TEST.

I noticed the following:

using the toroid and the earth connections, I got 12 ampers comming from the earth system. but also the positive/hot cable from the electric company was showing 12 ampers of consumption in the electric hair-dryer I was using to make the test.

so at the end I dont know if I am really obtaining the energy from the ground or from the electric company. that is why I was thinking in using the inverter and battery, but as Clarence mentioned before, it is no possible to use an inverter with the simple set up he showed us in his last picture, so I dont know if I was just fooling the meter of the house.

could somebody here comment?

thanks and have a nice day
Franklin,

It seems you can not understand the English Language.
I told you it would NOT work with an Inverter. If you want to waste your time
Just go ahead and knock yourself out by all means.

I also told you I would NOT waste My time explaining how I did it!
Its not worth the effort.

Also I WILL NOT return to this thread again - way to much of my time has been wasted already!

BYE BYE ! To ALL.

Respectfully ,

Clarence
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I noticed the following:
using the toroid and the earth connections, I got 12 ampers comming from the earth system. but also the positive/hot cable from the electric company was showing 12 ampers of consumption in the electric hair-dryer I was using to make the test.

so at the end I dont know if I am really obtaining the energy from the ground or from the electric company. that is why I was thinking in using the inverter and battery, but as Clarence mentioned before, it is no possible to use an inverter with the simple set up he showed us in his last picture, so I dont know if I was just fooling the meter of the house.
could somebody here comment?
thanks and have a nice day
Hello Franklin. If you measured 12 Amps on the ground wire and also measured 12 Amps on the hot wire from the electric company (the mains) then that shows that the power is being supplied from the electric company. Yes, this kind of mains ground loop may fool the power meter. It doesn't work with a battery and inverter because in these B&L captor setups the power is coming from the mains. No one who shows some proper measurements has ever been able to show a COP > 1 with these B&L captor devices.

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