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I have got two tortran td060 60va, it has 1460 turns covered origin ,but has been removed now,I want to rewind it,can anyone tell me how much turn to cover it? 330 or 660 turns on each core ?I want replicate device like vrand did
Liable,

Seems the protective covering was also torn away and damaged.
needs to be replaced by protective covering before attempting to
wind new turns.
Also between layers of new winds cover the layers as you go with 3/4 inch
wide beige color masking tape.
It makes it easier on your eyes to count the number of new turns in each new layer.

It takes 330 turns of # 20 AWG Magnetic wire. Approx 6" for each turn X 330 turns equals 1980 inches divided by 12 inches equals 165 feet of wire
needed.
Get a 200 foot small spool to work with as it will need to be small enough to pass through the center of the core for each turn.

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A mains ground loop is a mains ground loop is a mains ground loop. There is just no getting around that.

In the following picture of the very advanced setup which I created back in the Spring of 2015, I show the most advanced form of a B&L 'captor loop' type device ever created to date. This is much more advanced than B&L's and Clarence's setups because it only uses one single two foot long rusty ground rod and a few thin cheapo alligator clip lead wires. The yellow clip lead connects to the mains hot phase wire only. The green clip lead connects to the rusty two foot long ground rod.

This is a B&L device stripped down to it's very purist essence which only people with the most advanced understanding of these devices could understand up till now, but I am sharing these advanced secrets with all of you here for free.

Here are the secrets:
You must use a very short and rusty ground rod as this AMPLIFIES THE POWER IMMENSELY due to the interaction with the rust and the ions in the earth, and you need to use very thin aligator clip lead wires as well, as this CONCENTRATES THE ELECTRONS!!! There it is. The secrets have been revealed!!! Don't let anyone tell you this is really just a mains ground loop, as they are just agents of suppression who are trying to confuse you with facts.

Remember, a short rusty single ground rod and thin cheapo clip lead wires are the secret to collecting and concentrating the power. All this other mumbo jumbo about power toroids and captor loops and special windings was just put in the patent applications by B&L to throw people off the real secrets behind these setups, which I have now revealed to all.


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Here is a Full Video Demo of a simplified "Poor Man's Version" of the Barbosa and Leal Device.

Believe it or not you can get even better results with this version "ZERO WATTS IN" and no need of expensive transformer to do it!!!



Link to video: https://youtu.be/T5GajJzVIHs

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Have fun and I'm not responsible for any harm you may cause or utility costs.

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Hello gotoluc. Thanks for your video replication of the most advanced form of the B&L captor loop setup! I think if you hadn't replicated it, some people would just not have believed me. Now that is replicated, maybe this will make those agents of suppression and their silly nonsense about mains ground loops go away for good. Anyone can clearly see that the power meter shows 0 Watts input from the mains wall socket, and of course power meters of that high quality could never ever be wrong, so that is 100% proof that these devices are over unity!!!
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Yes level, such exciting times we live in!... all this time we had the possibility of free energy right under our nose... all we needed is the invention of these Kill-A-Watt meters to prove that you can get free power between a single Grid Hot wire and an Isolated Ground, aka "ground loop".

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@ ALL,

Don't be fooled by Ole smooth Lips.
When you get HIGH LOAD AMPERAGE from the Ground and very MINIMAL
amp draw From a wall socket as recorded by your KAW meter then you can know your OWN TRUE story.

You can note in my past post Pics That I use the # 6 AWG from the input all the way through to and including the ground rods themselves as this keeps the system resistance LOW!

I have put up to 37 AMP LOAD on a 20 amp wall socket for the unit I am still using DAILY. The watt reading shown on the KAW meter was ALWAYS very low.
Be it Known AS LUC said that even the MINIMAL system Resistance WILL drop the system voltage as more loads are added.

Do what you will as it is ALWAYS YOUR CHOICE!

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Yes level, such exciting times we live in!... all this time we had the possibility of free energy right under our nose... all we needed is the invention of these Kill-A-Watt meters to prove that you can get free power between a single Grid Hot wire and an Isolated Ground, aka "ground loop".
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Hello Luc. You did a great job demonstrating that some types of power meters can indeed be fooled by these types of setups when powering from the mains, as has also been pointed out in this thread at least a few times already over the last couple of years or so. It would have been nice if you had also put your AC clamp meter over the hot phase wire going into your 'setup' (the AC socket and bulb) to show that the current being supplied by the mains hot phase wire at the input to the setup is a close match to the earth ground wire current measured by the AC clamp meter, despite what the power meter might be indicating. This simple measurement is something that Clarence has so far refused to do, even though it has been explained that this simple measurement will show what is really going on in his setup when powering from the mains, since the measurements from the power meter can't be trusted. At any rate, I think any reasonable person who has been paying any attention at all should now understand well, if it wasn't already obvious, what the problems are with testing these types of setups using the mains as the input power source, and why this 'amazing over unity' disappears when these types of setups are powered from a battery and inverter instead.

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Clarence,
These bone heads(tptb employees) don't show up unless someone trys to show there may be some success to an over unity concept. This is proven by their continuing attacks here. This isn't the only thread they show up on and attack ideas and then make Electricity 101 videos on subject matter already known by all.

Clarence you must be a bother to wheels of suppression so its why these two waste space here. I learned to ignore and not let the enemy of this free energy movement slow or affect my progress.

Admin can't control the trolls and tptb that try to disrupt here. But those that want to can place them on the "ignore list".

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These bone heads(tptb employees) don't show up unless someone trys to show there may be some success to an over unity concept. This is proven by their continuing attacks here. This isn't the only thread they show up on and attack ideas and then make Electricity 101 videos on subject matter already known by all.

Clarence you must be a bother to wheels of suppression so its why these two waste space here. I learned to ignore and not let the enemy of this free energy movement slow or affect my progress.

Admin can't control the trolls and tptb that try to disrupt here. But those that want to can place them on the "ignore list".

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Wantomake,

Good to hear from you and your advice is sound as always.
I hope that all the rest of those interested members continue their good works also.

These few recent posts were to encourage them in their efforts.

On a different note, I will be in touch with you towards the end of next week.
So far the mags are in and installed.

To all of you fellow builders - keep up with your good efforts and support each other as you have in the past.

I check in from time to time to see your efforts and achievements and enjoy your progress as much as you do.

Bless you ALL!

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Just more bull**** from ole smooth lips. He is too ignorant to know that the amperage FROM THE GROUND will NOT read back through the KAW meter and then through wall socket and then on to the Utility mains meter for ONE VERY GOOD REASON. It would require a neutral wire in conjunction with this operation for that to happen.

In my system I use the toroids as a means to have a line wire available and that amount of watts and amperage used by the toroids Does return to the Utility mains meter via the neutral wire and I DO GLADLY PAY for that small amount each month on my electric bill. This also Blows away his asinine scare tactics abut the Law showing up and all the other foolishness he comes up with. The energy I get from the ground is not connected to the utility Ground or its Neutral in any manner whatsoever.

All of my ground rods are FAR removed from any utility apparatus and I designed it that way on purpose.
All of you can continue to listen to his braindead Drivel if you want, as for me this post is the last time I will speak about his continued bull****.
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Hello Clarence. Unfortunately, all you have accomplished with this comment of yours is to confirm that after about 2 1/2 years or so of you playing around with these setups that you still do not understand at all what a mains ground is and what all the implications of a mains ground loop are. I was just joking a few weeks ago when I said that maybe in another two years you might finally begin to understand what a mains ground loop is, but now I see with your reply here that this might not actually be so far fetched.

I have pointed out a few times that if anyone wants to understand what is really going on in these setups when powering from the mains that you should place an AC clamp current meter over the mains hot phase wire at the input to the setup to measure the actual current that is being supplied from the mains on the mains hot phase wire. You can't rely on any readings those kill-a-watt type meters are showing with this type of setup, as gotoluc has demonstrated very well in his video.

It is a very simple measurement to do. You have shown the current measurement on your earth ground wire using your AC clamp meter. All you would need to do is, while still powering the exact same amount of load, just move the AC clamp meter over to the mains hot phase wire at the input to your setup to measure the actual current being supplied to your device from the mains. It would take less than thirty seconds to do this. This is the only way you can see what is really going on with your setup when connected to the mains since those little power meters can be 'fooled' into giving false readings by these setups.

Since you can't seem to understand why this is so important to understanding what is going on when powering from the mains, maybe vrand will be so kind as to oblige with this measurement in his setup when powering from the mains. If this current measurement on the mains hot phase wire at the input to the setup is pretty close to what you are measuring on the earth ground wire, then it of course means that all the power is coming from the mains. If, on the other hand, the majority of the power is not coming from the mains as you insist, then the current on the mains hot phase wire at the input to the device should measure (using the clamp meter) as much smaller than the measured earth ground wire current.

Without doing this very simple current measurement on the hot phase wire, there is no way to confirm what is really going on when powering from the mains, since those kill-a-watt type meters or similar can't be trusted with these setups. I hope that is more clear now. Given that as soon as someone switches over to using a battery and inverter instead of the mains to power these setups that all the apparent 'massive over unity' disappears, it should already be obvious that something is very wrong. Doing the above mentioned current measurement will show what is really going on.

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I see your connection cleared itself!

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Clarence,
These bone heads(tptb employees) don't show up unless someone trys to show there may be some success to an over unity concept. This is proven by their continuing attacks here. This isn't the only thread they show up on and attack ideas and then make Electricity 101 videos on subject matter already known by all.

Clarence you must be a bother to wheels of suppression so its why these two waste space here. I learned to ignore and not let the enemy of this free energy movement slow or affect my progress.

Admin can't control the trolls and tptb that try to disrupt here. But those that want to can place them on the "ignore list".

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The crazy thing is you guys seem to be serious with these comments.
Reading the comments from Bromikey, yourself and Clarence in this thread is much like watching old episodes of the Three Stooges. Often completely absurd, but quite funny nevertheless. Has it ever occurred to you three that at least some people in this world actually care about reality and facts? Just because someone is willing to actually put in some effort to try to understand what is really going on in a particular setup, it doesn't make them the 'enemy'. You guys are just too much!

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These bone heads(tptb employees) don't show up unless someone trys to show there may be some success to an over unity concept. This is proven by their continuing attacks here. This isn't the only thread they show up on and attack ideas and then make Electricity 101 videos on subject matter already known by all.

Clarence you must be a bother to wheels of suppression so its why these two waste space here. I learned to ignore and not let the enemy of this free energy movement slow or affect my progress.

Admin can't control the trolls and tptb that try to disrupt here. But those that want to can place them on the "ignore list".

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Wantomake,

Spot on Brother.
One of the boneheads on this thread has repeatedly offered his dumb ass advice about using a battery plus inverter setup saying that all the energy
from the ground disappears.

I have used a Batt/inverter with my setup many times and pulled energy from the ground rods with no problem.
Ole BONEHEAD doesn't know how to get it done so the twit thinks it's impossible.
Far be it from me to tell the twit how on this thread. Let it stay delusional.

After the large storm here this morning I am more committed than ever to
finish the 24/7 self contained project we both know about.
My C bars come in tomorrow so by the end of the week I will talk to you.

Thanks J,

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I'm still having problems posting. Don't know why.
Tried to post to the Basic free energy device thread but can't.
???????

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Wantomake,
Spot on Brother.
One of the boneheads on this thread has repeatedly offered his dumb ass advice about using a battery plus inverter setup saying that all the energy
from the ground disappears.

I have used a Batt/inverter with my setup many times and pulled energy from the ground rods with no problem.
Ole BONEHEAD doesn't know how to get it done so the twit thinks it's impossible.
Far be it from me to tell the twit how on this thread. Let it stay delusional.

After the large storm here this morning I am more committed than ever to
finish the 24/7 self contained project we both know about.
My C bars come in tomorrow so by the end of the week I will talk to you.
Thanks J,
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Hello Clarence. Again you are showing that you have no understanding at all about how these setups actually work.

You have a ground wire current when using a battery and inverter because you have connected one or more extra ground rods to the neutral on the inverter which are not electrically connected to your main set of ground rods. This ground wire current says absolutely nothing about over unity however, which is of course what I have been talking about when I say that when powered with a battery and inverter the 'over unity' disappears. I know from experience here however that you will probably still have no idea what I am talking about, and will probably just continue to make misleading statements and revert to more insults to try to carry on the charade...

Just so no one can say they were never warned, when powering these setups from the mains, all indications are that all the power is coming from the mains regardless what those little kill-a-watt and similar power meters may indicate, or whether the full and actual mains power consumption is registered with your house power meter as well. So, if someone is considering running one of these setups continuously or often from the mains to power lights or other things in their house, if this full power consumption is not registering properly on the house power meter you may very well be considered to be stealing power from the power company, and you most certainly could get in trouble with the police if the power company detects what is going on. That is not a 'scare tactic'. That is just plain fact. It seems B&L had to learn the hard way as well. At least they eventually understood, or more likely had it explained to them by the power company, what was really going on, and they stopped all work on these setups back in 2013.

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I'm still having problems posting. Don't know why.
Tried to post to the Basic free energy device thread but can't.
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Wantomake,

Check to see if you are still logged in.

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If still having post problems contact Aaron the forum head to cure the problem.

Also Bonehead is now on my Ignore list! He;s a Goner!

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In my last video I left the viewer to decide but it looks like it's not helpful, so I made a new video demo that replicates every part of the circuit and explain where the power comes from and why the KAW meter does not measure it.

Link to video: https://youtu.be/xgHaMrRp7rc

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Here is what Luc and Level are saying is the same thing. This is
their depth of ability and you expected more? Here first is the Luc and Level engineering dept and second is the B&B

You have been dealing with very small people that say this is the same
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Here is what Luc and Level are saying is the same thing. This is
their depth of ability and you expected more? Here first is the Luc and Level engineering dept and second is the B&B

You have been dealing with very small people that say this is the same
as that.



Hi BRO,

Neither one gets it. They both FAIL to see what a true circuit is and Both probably never will.
For that reason BOTH have made my ignore list!!!!

Good to hear from you BRO!

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Here is what Luc and Level are saying is the same thing. This is
their depth of ability and you expected more? Here first is the Luc and Level engineering dept and second is the B&B

You have been dealing with very small people that say this is the same
as that.
Sounds like you're talking about yourself Bro

Because the below is the circuit in question
Notice how the Input Hot grid is directly connected to the output.

So who's the small one now?

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In my last video I left the viewer to decide but it looks like it's not helpful, so I made a new video demo that replicates every part of the circuit and explain where the power comes from and why the KAW meter does not measure it.

Link to video: https://youtu.be/xgHaMrRp7rc

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Another really good video gotoluc. This info has all been explained in this thread a number of times already over the last 2 1/2 years, but some people are obviously either unable to understand or unwilling to understand. You did a great job of demonstrating everything very clearly in your video so that anyone who hasn't been kicked in the head by a mule at some point in their life should be able to understand it, but I don't expect a few certain people here whose names do not need to be mentioned at this point to get it, as I have mentioned it has all been explained several times in this thread already and they still refuse to listen to any reason.

Great job explaining it for newcomers to this thread however. Perhaps we can refer to this type of phenomenal willful blindness from now on in these forums as 'Gerard Morin syndrome'. Thanks for the effort you put in to make those videos, but from what I have seen over the last 2 1/2 years in this thread, there are certain people here who will continue to make very misleading and false statements about these setups regardless of how carefully it is explained to them about where they are going wrong.

By the way Luc, depending where a person lives in this world they will have different types of power meters on their houses or buildings, and not everyone is upgraded to the latest high tech 'smart' utility power meters these days, so I think some older style power meters on houses or buildings provided by the power company in some regions of the world might well be fooled by these types of setups. For example, Barbosa and Leal were testing with some utility company power meters they obtained from their local power company in Brazil, and those power meters did not register the power being used by these B&L setups when powering from the mains. I believe that is the reason B&L themselves were originally fooled for quite a while by these devices. B&L have told me via email that they stopped all work with these 'captor loop' devices in Oct. 2013. My understanding from them is that is when they realized that these captor loop devices are not in any way over unity.

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Sounds like you're talking about yourself Bro



So who's the small one now?
I rest my case. The new video you did is no different than the last.
It is quick and dirty like all of your rubbish. You have been exposed.




And now again the proper way. You must be slipping to have to be
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Any new findings with your B&L setup?

Today I'll dig out my setup and try it with a UPS unit I have. One last try with a pure sine wave unit can't hurt. I just can't afford a psw inverter at this time. Hope the UPS works while connected to my modified sine wave inverter. There's no mains power at my shop unless I run a very long drop cord. But have plenty of solar power.

Let me know your results if any and I'll do the same. Clarence got his to work without mains power in spite of what some post here.

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Hi wantomake,
Got the pure sine wave inverter, 8kw Powerjack and did some tests. The device powered up okay but would not pull the free ground electrons to power a load. THe only way to power the loads with the inverter was with a 2nd ground connection connected to the inverter neutral. But then there was no magic, whatever was the load, the inverter provided the full amount.

At no load on the inverter/battery, the device worked like using the AC mains, only using 5 watts. When a 60 watt light bulb load on the inverter/battery, it used 60 watts, not like the mains connection where only 5 watts was being used.

I poked around the device with the 2nd ground wire to see if there was any other way to power the load from the inverter/battery, but only at the neutral connection did it work. The inverter neutral to ground was not connected and grounding to inverter housing did nothing, nor ground to battery terminals.

Hi Clarence how did you connect your inverter/battery to the device to power the loads?
Cheers

- photo 1 attached to show where the 2nd ground cable was needed to power the load from the inverter/battery at the neutral connection.
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Got the pure sine wave inverter, 8kw Powerjack and did some tests. The device powered up okay but would not pull the free ground electrons to power a load. THe only way to power the loads with the inverter was with a 2nd ground connection connected to the inverter neutral. But then there was no magic, whatever was the load, the inverter provided the full amount.

At no load on the inverter/battery, the device worked like using the AC mains, only using 5 watts. When a 60 watt light bulb load on the inverter/battery, it used 60 watts, not like the mains connection where only 5 watts was being used.

I poked around the device with the 2nd ground wire to see if there was any other way to power the load from the inverter/battery, but only at the neutral connection did it work. The inverter neutral to ground was not connected and grounding to inverter housing did nothing, nor ground to battery terminals.

Hi Clarence how did you connect your inverter/battery to the device to power the loads?
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Hello vrand. Your results are exactly the same as Clarence's results. Nothing unusual occurs when powering with a battery and inverter, and you must have a second isolated ground connection connected to the neutral on the inverter or nothing happens at all (no ground current).

When testing with the mains as the input power source, if you place a clamp meter over the mains hot phase wire at the input to your setup, you will see that all the current is coming from the mains through the mains hot phase wire. The mains hot phase wire current at the input to your setup should measure about the same as the current you measure on your ground wire when powering your loads. In other words, there is no over unity associated with these setups. I also tested with a single toroid B&L setup back in 2015 and quickly determined that there is nothing unusual at all going on with these B&L 'captor loop' setups. You can remove the 'captor loop' entirely and get the exact same results.

Unfortunately Clarence has been misleading people in this thread for 2 1/2 years now simply because he completely refuses to listen to reason. As you have discovered, with only a few simple measurements and tests one can quickly determine that nothing unusual is happening in these B&L 'captor loop' setups. When powering from the mains, if Clarence removed his 'captor loop' entirely from his setup, and just connected the mains hot phase directly to his load, he would get the exact same results. All the power is being supplied by the mains. Just a few simple tests and measurements are all that is required to see what is really going on in these setups.

Thanks for the honest comments on your test results.

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Got the pure sine wave inverter, 8kw Powerjack and did some tests. The device powered up okay but would not pull the free ground electrons to power a load. THe only way to power the loads with the inverter was with a 2nd ground connection connected to the inverter neutral. But then there was no magic, whatever was the load, the inverter provided the full amount.

At no load on the inverter/battery, the device worked like using the AC mains, only using 5 watts. When a 60 watt light bulb load on the inverter/battery, it used 60 watts, not like the mains connection where only 5 watts was being used.

I poked around the device with the 2nd ground wire to see if there was any other way to power the load from the inverter/battery, but only at the neutral connection did it work. The inverter neutral to ground was not connected and grounding to inverter housing did nothing, nor ground to battery terminals.

Hi Clarence how did you connect your inverter/battery to the device to power the loads?
Cheers

- photo 1 attached to show where the 2nd ground cable was needed to power the load from the inverter/battery at the neutral connection.
- photo 2, 53 watt lamp load
-Photo 3, 59 watt inverter lamp load
- photo 4, 5 watt inverter no load
Again another example of the rusty nail trick.


It has been stated over and over again that the ground rod network
shown is a requirement to get huge amounts of electron collection.

Showing us a few electrical boxes is nice but you are going to have
to do better than that. Show us your grounding rod network.

We are to smart for you guys.

Vrand is okay but lacks information or missed the fullness of the
system diagram. Please show us your complete setup.

Again for the record it has been experimented with and in one test
using a few or 1 rod the captor collection rate was lower.


However as you add grounding rods to complete the stated or shown
network the amp harvesting will increase proportionately. I refer you all
back to the setup issued back a few years.

There is no free lunch, either follow the complete plan or suffer the
consequences.



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Clarence,
Hello ole friend.

Not using the mains means just that. I've been using a UPS but it doesn't have high wattage output. So I need to invest in good pure sine wave inverter for my setup.

To All,
Replication on this forum is everyone's choice and not mine or Clarence advice. You build at your own risk. That's the spirit of this forum, to take a chance/risk to build an idea you read about here. I've spent time and resources several times to attempt replicating ideas here. I've lost both but gained knowledge. I know this is my doing. Not a forum members fault that presented the idea.

wantomake
Hi wantomake,
Totally agree, this project was a lot of fun, but unless there is new info, the device does not work in capturing the free electricity in the earth, at least as shown to date. It just bypasses the neutral through the ground connection, similar to the Luc diagram and his video.

Let me know if you have any questions or need testing info. Now its on to the next project!
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Hello vrand. Your results are exactly the same as Clarence's results. Nothing unusual occurs when powering with a battery and inverter, and you must have a second isolated ground connection connected to the neutral on the inverter or nothing happens at all (no ground current).

When testing with the mains as the input power source, if you place a clamp meter over the mains hot phase wire at the input to your setup, you will see that all the current is coming from the mains through the mains hot phase wire. The mains hot phase wire current at the input to your setup should measure about the same as the current you measure on your ground wire when powering your loads. In other words, there is no over unity associated with these setups. I also tested with a single toroid B&L setup back in 2015 and quickly determined that there is nothing unusual at all going on with these B&L 'captor loop' setups. You can remove the 'captor loop' entirely and get the exact same results.

Unfortunately Clarence has been misleading people in this thread for 2 1/2 years now simply because he completely refuses to listen to reason. As you have discovered, with only a few simple measurements and tests one can quickly determine that nothing unusual is happening in these B&L 'captor loop' setups. When powering from the mains, if Clarence removed his 'captor loop' entirely from his setup, and just connected the mains hot phase directly to his load, he would get the exact same results. All the power is being supplied by the mains. Just a few simple tests and measurements are all that is required to see what is really going on in these setups.

Thanks for the honest comments on your test results.

Hi level,
My test setup confirms what you and Luc are saying. Unless there is some new info, there is not much I can do. Spent over to $2k on this project, but it was alot of fun!

Do you see anything out there that looks promising to getting free electricity simply?

My continuing multi-decade project, splitting water ala Brown's gas/hydroxy gas, and then fueling a motor/genset to creating electricity. It is not simple like this B&L project was, taking only 2 months to build!
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Unfortunately Clarence has been misleading people in this thread for 2 1/2 years
Perfect example of another pack dog not following instructions. Notice
how the focus on a few bucks but no mention or plea on how to fix
his setup. He never intended to get it working since he can not show his
array of grounding rods.

He is calling us liars when it is him who has lied about his setup.

It's like Hillary saying Trump is selling Uranium to the Russians when
it was her all along.

The rusty nail trick is easy to spot, you just follow the bouncing ball
that always lands in his buddies court. Bad-mittens or dirty hands?

This is the same ole tactic so people won't try.
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