Hello Wantomake,

My beginning interest in this type unit was to have the means to be able to power lights and fridge in the event of a Utility power failure. that would have meant having a constant charged battery bank and inverter system ready to go and fill in for the time until the Utility power came back on.
That's what I have at the present as I use the AC setup to keep the batt
banks charged at peak voltage ready and waiting.

In the mean time I will increase the size of the battery bank - sometimes in this area there have been 12-13 hour outages, so I don't think just two will cover all that.
In the event of natural disasters such as hurricanes etc., probably other additives may be needed to help with the battery charging such as solar and wind. Nobody knows what the next days will bring.

One thing is certain though, ALL of the Utility companies will still be here
and thriving. They are not going away ever.

In the meanwhile I intend to make my usage of their service as small as possible.

So as far as my use of this forum ,and this thread in particular, in the future days and months will mostly be very minimal. I will continue to look in at least once a week to see if anyone else has come up with something new or
no.

Will be waiting to see how your systems finish out.

Thanks J,

Clarence

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Digits10,
I envy you, I'm still planning stage for my ground grid rods and connecting wire. I've spent the morning testing different setups with and without inverter or mains power. Got to go get some hardware etc. from Lowes.

Hope your wiring goes without problems.
wantomake

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What I would like to have answers to:

Is the system capable of charging its own battery with only the charger as a load?
If the system can maintain a charged battery, how much extra is left over for other loads?
If powering loads in excess of the extra, can the battery charge recover during periods of low usage?
Is the extra, if any, worth the investment?

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I think we're all pretty much after that info

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Hi Clarence

Thanks for the clarification.

Much appreciated.

Regards

Coil

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For the time being, without further specific details coming on actual performance from anyone, I will just say the following.

Clarence is overall a good guy. He has worked very hard at this project, and tried a lot of different variations over the last couple of years. That is very commendable. The problem over the last two years is that Clarence is a very stubborn guy and has very much resisted very strongly doing practical tests that would show clearly how his different setups were really performing, while frequently hinting that his setups are giving him over unity. This has caused some people to go out and spend money on a setup thinking that they can achieve over unity with such a setup, but, from what I have seen, and I have done a fair bit of research on it in the past, there honestly really hasn't been anything convincingly demonstrated so far that any home experimenter has been able to get over unity out of these types of B&L Captor setups. It is possible that someone has succeeded somewhere out there, but if so I am not aware of it.

I have read that B&L have just a high school education, (I don't know if that is accurate or not) so it is possible that they themselves were fooled by the mains ground loop thing and really thought it was over unity, but that doesn't explain why they made a video saying they could get the same kind of over unity results using a battery and inverter, and why someone who supposedly did some 'independent' testing on B&L devices reported measuring over unity. So the B&L captor device thing remains a mystery. Why did the B&L built unit that Ariovaldo got his hands on not work for him and the person who originally purchased it, if these devices really do produce over unity? Strange...

I tested for about two weeks or so with the single toroid B&L configuration based on circuit info provided by Avioraldo's tear down of the actual B&L built unit, using an old well with a steel casing as the earth ground, which actually makes a very good earth ground, and I did not see any kind of unusual current gain effect on the ground wire. True, I didn't use a whole array of ground rods, but the old well tube provides a very good earth ground, so a person might think that there should have been at least some unusual current gain effect noted in the testing I did, even if it was only a smaller effect. However, I did not see any unusual effect at all in my own test. I did follow Ariovaldo's circuit configuration very closely except I used a pre-wound commercial power toroid, and my setup was different than several that Clarence has tried, as Clarence added a separate earth ground connection to the neutral on the inverter, which was not part of B&L's configuration based on Ariovaldo's tear down, and based on the patent drawings. So, I can say that at least for my my own test setup, I did not see anything out of the ordinary.

The main problem is this, and has always been this. When testing this type of B&L setup with the mains you will definitely have a mains ground loop and you can be completely mislead by the results you are seeing. To avoid this, you must test with a battery and inverter, and unfortunately, as I mentioned, I so far have not seen any proper test results from anyone using a battery and inverter that show anything out of the ordinary.

If someone knowing the above still wants to build one of these setups and test with it, that is their own decision, but you should at least first be aware that to date it appears no one has been able to demonstrate one of these B&L setups showing real over unity while powering from a battery and inverter, which is the only way to do meaningful tests with this sort of setup.

I wish everyone the best of luck with their experiments!

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White man speaks with forked tongue.

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Regarding BroMikey, I can honestly say that BroMikey is one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across in these types of online forums in many years, and he has spent much of his time just trying to run interference in this thread against anyone who has tried to provide any honest and practical info that can be used for proper testing and analysis on these B&L test setups. Make of that what you will...

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Hello Mr Clarence, hope you still around, you are essential part of this forum, you are the reason why I am still here, is for sure I am not alone in this feeling, hope you open other tread maybe potential difference between air and ground example or something else. Best for you.

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I do believe Barbosa&Leal took where Kapanadze stopped and theirs device is just an improvement of Kapanadze. It also looks more like an improvement of Steven Mark TPU. All is based on the same physics. There are some people who realized this has something to do with electrical difference between ground and troposphere , but failed to analyse deeper the origins and stick to electrostatics and Schumann resonance. Barbosa&Leal and works of Steven Mark, Hubbard,Hendershot,Figuera and many others suggest magnetic interaction of Earth field which created electrical energy in every case, also in current commercial generators (though to prove, but seems Figuera HAD THIS PROOF)

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I do believe Barbosa&Leal took where Kapanadze stopped and theirs device is just an improvement of Kapanadze. It also looks more like an improvement of Steven Mark TPU. All is based on the same physics. There are some people who realized this has something to do with electrical difference between ground and troposphere , but failed to analyse deeper the origins and stick to electrostatics and Schumann resonance. Barbosa&Leal and works of Steven Mark, Hubbard,Hendershot,Figuera and many others suggest magnetic interaction of Earth field which created electrical energy in every case, also in current commercial generators (tough to prove, but seems Figuera HAD THIS PROOF)[/QUOTE]

boguslaw,

Thanks for your insight.
I,m not too familiar with Figuera but I will look into his work. What would be the best latest Place to start?

Thanks Sir,

Clarence

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Hello boguslaw. What you say may be right, but when I take everything into account that I have seen and learned in regards to these B&L captor devices, I personally have doubts. There are pieces of the puzzle, some of which I have mentioned previously here, that do not seem to fit together. Anyway, that is just my own view at the present time. There could be an explanation that we are not aware of that makes the pieces fit together.

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Clarence,
I try to assess each replication before starting to build one.
How will this project help us?
Cost? Time? Material availability. My knowledge level. Who is the presenter of a project? Safe or unsafe?
I can't answer all these questions sometimes but it's guidelines for myself.

Living in this area for many years, I've never heard much about "readiness" or disaster prepping. People all around us seem very serious to prepare for any type of "disaster" these days.

Solar and wind production are expensive, time costly, all of the above mentioned. The easier being knowledge from internet or books. This was my first endeavors in FE. But has limitations.

This project has potential from all points listed. I've been fascinated with aether and ground energy for many years. The first time I placing a copper (short) pipe and 12" galvanised nail in the ground lined up east and west and measured .8 vdc, this FE appetite can't be satisfied.

I'm here to answer some of those above mentioned so that others can be prepared also for who or whatever comes.
Coffee needs prepared for drinking,
wantomake

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Please a few days ago I asked a question about the possibility of powering the system with the use of a Ups. Would not this be more interesting than the use of charger, battery and inverter. The Ups has everyting integrated. What do you guys think about this?

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UPS is behind times unless they are pure sine wave. All of the same
characteristics can be had with the latest solar rigs. The nice thing
about UPS circuits are that they use a transformer block inside
at 60hz that gives a sine wave. The bad thing it that the block
transformer design loses 33% of efficiency right off the bat.

Better follow instruction and stop asking repeat questions that have
been answered many times over so the inventors don't give up teaching.

What about a car battery charger? What about a boat battery charger?
What about a motorcycle battery charger? How about my scooter charger?

See what I mean? Answer my question plz, now, what about it?

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digits10,
How did the ground grid installation go?

Any news is ok. Or if you got any questions.

Heat and jungle (lawn) cutting has slowed my progess to a halt.

My coffee and I just curious,
wantomake

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Well, Monday night it rained me out.
Yesterday & today we have an audit team where I work, and I'm responsible to give them everything they need. So, I spent last night running a lot of reports. I'll be away from home Thurs-Sat, so it could be a bit yet. I'm giving you a chance to catch up

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digits10,
Haha.. will be a while before I can afford more rods. Spent last last three hours cutting jungle.

wantomake

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Olá Flavio,

Your suggestion of using a ups (uninteruptible power supply) is good but remained either unnoticed or with one negative answer. Do not be discouraged.
The only 'problem' with an ups is that it should also be bought, not so much common device at homes.

Gyula

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Flaviop,
Nobody has stated what can be used in this setup at all. Please do test as you wish. For those who don't build here, I have tried to use a UPS in this setup but it would trip the internal breaker. Also the wattage output is very low from these devices. I have three in my shop as people give me many electronic devices that I salvage parts from. But my shop is powered by solar and have a 2k watt inverter with 8 deep cell marine battery bank.

To answer your question, yes do test if you have any ideas. Then share your findings here.

wantomake

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Clarence,
could you please tell me more about this

It means that the transformers have to have a primary coil and a secondary and also plus the blue wire with the 14 turns?
I ask this because I see the toroids from the bridgeport only have a primary coil, it means it is necessary to add a secondary of 330 turns?
thanks

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FRANKLIN

The two toroids are as shown in the thumbnail Attached.

THAT IS ALL THERE IS TO THEM _ PERIOD!!!!!

The other 14 WRAPS are made _ OVER _ the primaries of the toroids.

I really don't see what is so hard to understand about that.

EDIT: Go back to page 53 and post # 1570 - there are enough thumbnail photos there to satisfy ANYBODY!

Clarence

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Hi BroMikey & Clarence
You can add my name to the list above.
I've got my 2 toroid transformers from Bridgeport Magnetics, great service and only 1 week from order to front door; the 26 qty 5/8" 8 foot ground rods; 140 feet of #6 awg thhn wire; waiting on the 250v gdt and terminal blocks.

Thank you Clarence for sharing your design. Reading up on grounding systems and how to get the 0.39 ohm resistance. Eric Dollard got 0.1 to 0.01 ohm with 24 rods and 500 feet of silicon wire in a salt marsh on the San Andreas fault line in California and was pumping 500 amps into his ground system to communicate from Los Angeles to San Fransisco through the ground with no antenna.

Here is the Military Handbook on Grounding Basics for general info background.
Military Handbook, MIL-HDBK-419A, 29 DECEMBER 1987
MILITARY HANDBOOK
GROUNDING, BONDING, AND SHIELDING FOR ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENTS AND FACILITIES
VOLUME 1 OF 2 VOLUMES
BASIC THEORY

PDF Link:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...bPeY0-jZllr8Ew


Here is an interesting video on how to measure the ground rod resistance using 3 different methods:

Youtube link:
Grounding - Ground Resistance Measurement, 250.53(A)(2) (26min:27sec)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg6G5VUSsWA

Thanks

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I woud like to get on that list too and start building!

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Hello Clarence and All,

will be on home 10/01/17 so i can start in this B&L project again!

i email you a schematic asking if it good for charging a car batteries?

Thank You so much!!

Best Regards
luc2010

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Hello Bro !


nice to see my name here i would like to help but i am really busy with other ideas, anyway we are working on similar objective .. i hope we could success soon

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Thank you Clarence, again, it Works!

Here in southern California good ground according to magnetic map.
Prelim. test results:
- 1 ground rod got 5 amps.
- Added 7 existing buried steel structural posts got 22 amps.
- Next to add existing 68 foot long unused 1/2" galv. lawn sprinkler pipe.
- Next to add existing 150 foot long chain link fence with 15 buried steel pipes.
- Next to add the new 26 ground rods.

Would like to get to 100 amps to tie to existing electrical panel. The ground/earth rods connection is the limiting factor. Need to keep the voltage up to 120 Vac.
Thanks

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Update on existing grounding testing:

Current setup for 120 Vac. using 5 watts input from utility, (0.04 amps) and getting 2000 watts output, (24.5 amps) from the device, then the input plug circuit breaker trips open. To go over +20 amps output will need a higher rated circuit breaker. Everything runs cool, no heat on the wiring or toroids. This device could go to 50 amps or more, just need to get a larger circuit breaker.

Good existing grounding so far, where the input drops to 117 Vac (utility) and device output drops to 116.5 Vac at 2000 watts output. So only a 0.5 Vac difference from input voltage to output voltage at 2000 watts output.

Will also try to increase input voltage with variac to 240 Vac to see what can get on output.

Tried a 500 watt isolation transformer, but when the device output past the 5 amp transforner limit it tripped open its circuit breaker. The Killawatt meters also max out at 1500 watts and then starts beeping and shuts down.

If going to inverter/charger setup, it looks like the limiting device output factor would be the inverters output amps. For example if the maximum inverter output amps was 5 amps (500 watt unit) then the device output could only use 5 amps, even thou the input meter shows only 0.04 amps was being used from the inverter. This is a strange device for sure!

For my 25 feet of closed loop secondary windings of #12 awg (yellow wire) I got 19 turns on each toroid. The circulating current always stayed around 6.65 amps, no matter what the output current.

Cheers

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This device looks to be a mirror of the input generator/inverter Voltage and Amperage to the Earth grounded electricity source output, only using 5 watts to do this. For example if my input source is 120 Vac at 20 amps, then my output will be around 120 Vac at 20 amps, less the grounding losses from a perfect 0 ohm ground and the output load losses from the decrease in input Voltage. While only using 5 watts from the input source generator. Electricity is being pulled from the Earth to match the generator source of Voltage/Amperage, using only a miniscule of electricity to do this. This is pretty amazing.

Pulling energy from the Earth and Air is similar to what Henry Moray did back in 1925, with his ground rod and aerial wire device. Eventually Henry found a way to only use the Air to extract electricity, similar to Tesla's electric car, he used an antenna, to drive around town. I have read that even Barbosa and Leal now claim to extract electricity from the Air, and have no need for the ground rods.

Well I am happy with this Earth source of electricity until we figure out how to do it even simpler, like with just air.

Cheers

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Dear vrand,

Thanks for sharing your information.

Could you please make a video demo of your device in operation and show the Grid input measurement you use.
Also, it would be great if you can add a 5 Amp auto fuse in series on the grid HOT side wire and show a closeup of the fuse filament. This way we will know the grid current would be limited to 5 Amps. This will also add confirmation that your meters are not being fooled somehow.


Thanks for your help

Luc

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