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Old 08-14-2017, 04:39 PM
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Hello Wantomake,

My beginning interest in this type unit was to have the means to be able to power lights and fridge in the event of a Utility power failure. that would have meant having a constant charged battery bank and inverter system ready to go and fill in for the time until the Utility power came back on.
That's what I have at the present as I use the AC setup to keep the batt
banks charged at peak voltage ready and waiting.

In the mean time I will increase the size of the battery bank - sometimes in this area there have been 12-13 hour outages, so I don't think just two will cover all that.
In the event of natural disasters such as hurricanes etc., probably other additives may be needed to help with the battery charging such as solar and wind. Nobody knows what the next days will bring.

One thing is certain though, ALL of the Utility companies will still be here
and thriving. They are not going away ever.

In the meanwhile I intend to make my usage of their service as small as possible.

So as far as my use of this forum ,and this thread in particular, in the future days and months will mostly be very minimal. I will continue to look in at least once a week to see if anyone else has come up with something new or
no.

Will be waiting to see how your systems finish out.

Thanks J,

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Old 08-14-2017, 04:40 PM
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Can't wait to get off work today, so that I can work on wiring up my ground rods. Hopefully, I can help reality exert itself
Digits10,
I envy you, I'm still planning stage for my ground grid rods and connecting wire. I've spent the morning testing different setups with and without inverter or mains power. Got to go get some hardware etc. from Lowes.

Hope your wiring goes without problems.
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:14 PM
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Questions.

What I would like to have answers to:

Is the system capable of charging its own battery with only the charger as a load?
If the system can maintain a charged battery, how much extra is left over for other loads?
If powering loads in excess of the extra, can the battery charge recover during periods of low usage?
Is the extra, if any, worth the investment?
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:20 PM
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Yep

I think we're all pretty much after that info
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:54 PM
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Hello Coil,

Fist of all , let me thank you for your question.
Your perplexity is justified. My reference to the breaker tripping only concerned the GDT circuit itself. I'm sorry that I did not make that clear.
The clarification for that is this, If the GDT were actually removed from that individual circuit it would in essence be a direct short and cause the breaker to trip and automatically shut the whole system down. That can also happen if the GDT is in place but is of a lower arc-over voltage than the system voltage - say for example 120 volts AC.if a 120 volt GDT were to be used it would automatically trigger because it is designed to do just that at that voltage. That is why any GDT used has tobe at a HIGHER voltage rating than the system is based on, That is why I use a 150 volt rated GDT in this circuit.
That let's it act as the safety feature for the whole system. ANY type of voltage surge will enable it to dropout the whole system and protect all the components and loaded items presently being powered by this system.
Please forgive me for not making that clear to you Sir.
And again , thanks for your question - hope this helps.

Respectfully ,

Clarence
Hi Clarence

Thanks for the clarification.

Much appreciated.

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Old 08-14-2017, 07:45 PM
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For the time being, without further specific details coming on actual performance from anyone, I will just say the following.

Clarence is overall a good guy. He has worked very hard at this project, and tried a lot of different variations over the last couple of years. That is very commendable. The problem over the last two years is that Clarence is a very stubborn guy and has very much resisted very strongly doing practical tests that would show clearly how his different setups were really performing, while frequently hinting that his setups are giving him over unity. This has caused some people to go out and spend money on a setup thinking that they can achieve over unity with such a setup, but, from what I have seen, and I have done a fair bit of research on it in the past, there honestly really hasn't been anything convincingly demonstrated so far that any home experimenter has been able to get over unity out of these types of B&L Captor setups. It is possible that someone has succeeded somewhere out there, but if so I am not aware of it.

I have read that B&L have just a high school education, (I don't know if that is accurate or not) so it is possible that they themselves were fooled by the mains ground loop thing and really thought it was over unity, but that doesn't explain why they made a video saying they could get the same kind of over unity results using a battery and inverter, and why someone who supposedly did some 'independent' testing on B&L devices reported measuring over unity. So the B&L captor device thing remains a mystery. Why did the B&L built unit that Ariovaldo got his hands on not work for him and the person who originally purchased it, if these devices really do produce over unity? Strange...

I tested for about two weeks or so with the single toroid B&L configuration based on circuit info provided by Avioraldo's tear down of the actual B&L built unit, using an old well with a steel casing as the earth ground, which actually makes a very good earth ground, and I did not see any kind of unusual current gain effect on the ground wire. True, I didn't use a whole array of ground rods, but the old well tube provides a very good earth ground, so a person might think that there should have been at least some unusual current gain effect noted in the testing I did, even if it was only a smaller effect. However, I did not see any unusual effect at all in my own test. I did follow Ariovaldo's circuit configuration very closely except I used a pre-wound commercial power toroid, and my setup was different than several that Clarence has tried, as Clarence added a separate earth ground connection to the neutral on the inverter, which was not part of B&L's configuration based on Ariovaldo's tear down, and based on the patent drawings. So, I can say that at least for my my own test setup, I did not see anything out of the ordinary.

The main problem is this, and has always been this. When testing this type of B&L setup with the mains you will definitely have a mains ground loop and you can be completely mislead by the results you are seeing. To avoid this, you must test with a battery and inverter, and unfortunately, as I mentioned, I so far have not seen any proper test results from anyone using a battery and inverter that show anything out of the ordinary.

If someone knowing the above still wants to build one of these setups and test with it, that is their own decision, but you should at least first be aware that to date it appears no one has been able to demonstrate one of these B&L setups showing real over unity while powering from a battery and inverter, which is the only way to do meaningful tests with this sort of setup.

I wish everyone the best of luck with their experiments!

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Old 08-14-2017, 08:04 PM
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Clarence is overall a good guy.

.................Clarence is a very stubborn guy

from what I have seen...........there honestly really hasn't been anything

so it is possible that they themselves were fooled..............

Strange...

... I did not see any kind of unusual current gain effect ...........

True, I didn't use a whole array

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Old 08-14-2017, 08:13 PM
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Regarding BroMikey, I can honestly say that BroMikey is one of the most dishonest people I have ever come across in these types of online forums in many years, and he has spent much of his time just trying to run interference in this thread against anyone who has tried to provide any honest and practical info that can be used for proper testing and analysis on these B&L test setups. Make of that what you will...


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Old 08-14-2017, 09:17 PM
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Hello Mr Clarence, hope you still around, you are essential part of this forum, you are the reason why I am still here, is for sure I am not alone in this feeling, hope you open other tread maybe potential difference between air and ground example or something else. Best for you.
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Old 08-15-2017, 08:31 AM
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I do believe Barbosa&Leal took where Kapanadze stopped and theirs device is just an improvement of Kapanadze. It also looks more like an improvement of Steven Mark TPU. All is based on the same physics. There are some people who realized this has something to do with electrical difference between ground and troposphere , but failed to analyse deeper the origins and stick to electrostatics and Schumann resonance. Barbosa&Leal and works of Steven Mark, Hubbard,Hendershot,Figuera and many others suggest magnetic interaction of Earth field which created electrical energy in every case, also in current commercial generators (though to prove, but seems Figuera HAD THIS PROOF)
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Old 08-15-2017, 10:12 AM
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[QUOTE=boguslaw;

I do believe Barbosa&Leal took where Kapanadze stopped and theirs device is just an improvement of Kapanadze. It also looks more like an improvement of Steven Mark TPU. All is based on the same physics. There are some people who realized this has something to do with electrical difference between ground and troposphere , but failed to analyse deeper the origins and stick to electrostatics and Schumann resonance. Barbosa&Leal and works of Steven Mark, Hubbard,Hendershot,Figuera and many others suggest magnetic interaction of Earth field which created electrical energy in every case, also in current commercial generators (tough to prove, but seems Figuera HAD THIS PROOF)[/QUOTE]

boguslaw,

Thanks for your insight.
I,m not too familiar with Figuera but I will look into his work. What would be the best latest Place to start?

Thanks Sir,

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Old 08-15-2017, 12:47 PM
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I do believe Barbosa&Leal took where Kapanadze stopped and theirs device is just an improvement of Kapanadze. It also looks more like an improvement of Steven Mark TPU. All is based on the same physics. There are some people who realized this has something to do with electrical difference between ground and troposphere , but failed to analyse deeper the origins and stick to electrostatics and Schumann resonance. Barbosa&Leal and works of Steven Mark, Hubbard,Hendershot,Figuera and many others suggest magnetic interaction of Earth field which created electrical energy in every case, also in current commercial generators (though to prove, but seems Figuera HAD THIS PROOF)
Hello boguslaw. What you say may be right, but when I take everything into account that I have seen and learned in regards to these B&L captor devices, I personally have doubts. There are pieces of the puzzle, some of which I have mentioned previously here, that do not seem to fit together. Anyway, that is just my own view at the present time. There could be an explanation that we are not aware of that makes the pieces fit together.

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Old 08-15-2017, 12:48 PM
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Hello Wantomake,

My beginning interest in this type unit was to have the means to be able to power lights and fridge in the event of a Utility power failure. that would have meant having a constant charged battery bank and inverter system ready to go and fill in for the time until the Utility power came back on.
That's what I have at the present as I use the AC setup to keep the batt
banks charged at peak voltage ready and waiting.

In the mean time I will increase the size of the battery bank - sometimes in this area there have been 12-13 hour outages, so I don't think just two will cover all that.
In the event of natural disasters such as hurricanes etc., probably other additives may be needed to help with the battery charging such as solar and wind. Nobody knows what the next days will bring.

One thing is certain though, ALL of the Utility companies will still be here
and thriving. They are not going away ever.

In the meanwhile I intend to make my usage of their service as small as possible.

So as far as my use of this forum ,and this thread in particular, in the future days and months will mostly be very minimal. I will continue to look in at least once a week to see if anyone else has come up with something new or
no.

Will be waiting to see how your systems finish out.

Thanks J,

Clarence
Clarence,
I try to assess each replication before starting to build one.
How will this project help us?
Cost? Time? Material availability. My knowledge level. Who is the presenter of a project? Safe or unsafe?
I can't answer all these questions sometimes but it's guidelines for myself.

Living in this area for many years, I've never heard much about "readiness" or disaster prepping. People all around us seem very serious to prepare for any type of "disaster" these days.

Solar and wind production are expensive, time costly, all of the above mentioned. The easier being knowledge from internet or books. This was my first endeavors in FE. But has limitations.

This project has potential from all points listed. I've been fascinated with aether and ground energy for many years. The first time I placing a copper (short) pipe and 12" galvanised nail in the ground lined up east and west and measured .8 vdc, this FE appetite can't be satisfied.

I'm here to answer some of those above mentioned so that others can be prepared also for who or whatever comes.
Coffee needs prepared for drinking,
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Old 08-15-2017, 06:38 PM
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Please a few days ago I asked a question about the possibility of powering the system with the use of a Ups. Would not this be more interesting than the use of charger, battery and inverter. The Ups has everyting integrated. What do you guys think about this?
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Please a few days ago I asked a question about the possibility of powering the system with the use of a Ups. Would not this be more interesting than the use of charger, battery and inverter. The Ups has everyting integrated. What do you guys think about this?

UPS is behind times unless they are pure sine wave. All of the same
characteristics can be had with the latest solar rigs. The nice thing
about UPS circuits are that they use a transformer block inside
at 60hz that gives a sine wave. The bad thing it that the block
transformer design loses 33% of efficiency right off the bat.

Better follow instruction and stop asking repeat questions that have
been answered many times over so the inventors don't give up teaching.

What about a car battery charger? What about a boat battery charger?
What about a motorcycle battery charger? How about my scooter charger?

See what I mean? Answer my question plz, now, what about it?
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Old 08-16-2017, 11:41 AM
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Any news?

digits10,
How did the ground grid installation go?

Any news is ok. Or if you got any questions.

Heat and jungle (lawn) cutting has slowed my progess to a halt.

My coffee and I just curious,
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:20 PM
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Well, Monday night it rained me out.
Yesterday & today we have an audit team where I work, and I'm responsible to give them everything they need. So, I spent last night running a lot of reports. I'll be away from home Thurs-Sat, so it could be a bit yet. I'm giving you a chance to catch up
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digits10,
Haha.. will be a while before I can afford more rods. Spent last last three hours cutting jungle.

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Hello Clarence, Congratulations on your work. I would like to know about what you think of using an online double conversion ups to power the system?
thanks.
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Please a few days ago I asked a question about the possibility of powering the system with the use of a Ups. Would not this be more interesting than the use of charger, battery and inverter. The Ups has everyting integrated. What do you guys think about this?
Olá Flavio,

Your suggestion of using a ups (uninteruptible power supply) is good but remained either unnoticed or with one negative answer. Do not be discouraged.
The only 'problem' with an ups is that it should also be bought, not so much common device at homes.

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Please a few days ago I asked a question about the possibility of powering the system with the use of a Ups. Would not this be more interesting than the use of charger, battery and inverter. The Ups has everyting integrated. What do you guys think about this?
Flaviop,
Nobody has stated what can be used in this setup at all. Please do test as you wish. For those who don't build here, I have tried to use a UPS in this setup but it would trip the internal breaker. Also the wattage output is very low from these devices. I have three in my shop as people give me many electronic devices that I salvage parts from. But my shop is powered by solar and have a 2k watt inverter with 8 deep cell marine battery bank.

To answer your question, yes do test if you have any ideas. Then share your findings here.

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