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Old 08-08-2017, 07:14 AM
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Hello Clarence,
A very great event !
We are behind you, and you show us the way.
I hope to be among the firsts to be able to replicate the device.

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I'm one of the silent followers. . . ok,
maybe not so silent I'm ready to have at it when you finally
reach the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow!
(Well, if you're Irish I guess).
Hi Digits
here is a partial list of interested builders, the
fun begins now

jimboot
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ZeroMassInertia
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Wistiti
wayne49s
masen
maxolous
cheors
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Wantomake ,

Dear ole friend , I already knew that you were having trouble of some kind - so don't fret.

No pics until late tomorrow afternoon. The setup is completely different from what you have seen before - BUT - it is exactly like the patent illustration.

When you see the pics I will EXPECT you to get right back on the horn and ask as MANY questions as you want and need.
Not only will the answers help YOU but also ALL the other members too.

You talk about a NICE grown up toy to work with - this thing will blow your mind away!

I had even considered going to my sons shop and dragging his small AC welder over to my house and adding it to the loads I was running. I wanted to get to 30 amps or more to push the limit but I only reached 26 + amps from the Ground.

Lots more I could say ole friend but I have wore this day out for now.

Later J,

Clarence
Clarence, All and cup of Joe,
Another rainy day. Hot cup of wake up brain. Childlike feeling of opening Christmas presents to find what your heart has wanted for so long.

Nothing is more exciting in this Free Energy life style than hearing someone has made a breakthrough.

You're been a forum friend these many months to years. I enjoy coffee and musing over this invention in these early life hours of the day. Where will this project go, how will it affect our lives, how much can I sacrifice toward this endeavor? Reader, now don't worry it's just musings of my over charged imagination.

I will plant my feet back on the ground and finish the unwrapping of the coil and head to Lowes for the #12awg. Will rewrap the coil with the 330 turns and get everything done for the setup.

Darn law of thermodynamics, my coffee has grown cold !!!!! Time to nuke that golden liquid to life,
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Hello Clarence,well done! this is a exciting news ! I will try it !
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Clarence, All and cup of Joe,
Another rainy day. Hot cup of wake up brain. Childlike feeling of opening Christmas presents to find what your heart has wanted for so long.

Nothing is more exciting in this Free Energy life style than hearing someone has made a breakthrough.

You're been a forum friend these many months to years. I enjoy coffee and musing over this invention in these early life hours of the day. Where will this project go, how will it affect our lives, how much can I sacrifice toward this endeavor? Reader, now don't worry it's just musings of my over charged imagination.

I will plant my feet back on the ground and finish the unwrapping of the coil and head to Lowes for the #12awg. Will rewrap the coil with the 330 turns and get everything done for the setup.

Darn law of thermodynamics, my coffee has grown cold !!!!! Time to nuke that golden liquid to life,
wantomake
Wantomake,

E is looking at you.

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Hi Digits
here is a partial list of interested builders, the
fun begins now

jimboot
Forthebest
totoalas
a.king21
BobBrown
ZeroMassInertia
ewizard
Wistiti
wayne49s
masen
maxolous
cheors
Belangers
desa
Fjohnnyb
dielectric
sinergicus
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MadMack
mobigozer
luc2010
JESUS PIŅA
tvka
djarno
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Mario
fer123
FRANKLIN
digits10
med.3012
Bro Mikey ,

That ought tobe enough for sure!

O M G !!

WOW!

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Clarence,
I don't want to overwhelm you, since a lot of people are probably going to start asking questions. I had picked up the 90v GDT's, but apparently I'll need larger ones? Do you have a link to the one's you ordered (from Mouser if I remember right).

You're using two toroids, right? I've got the two I had ordered for the original design (back in the day - like January I haven't done any winding yet as I was waiting for your breakthrough. Do I understand correctly that they need 330 turns of 20 gauge? Anything special to that winding? Just on one side, (like what I ordered in Dec/Jan), or do these 330 winds use all 360 degrees of the toroid?

Can't wait to start trying this thing!
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Clarence,
I don't want to overwhelm you, since a lot of people are probably going to start asking questions. I had picked up the 90v GDT's, but apparently I'll need larger ones? Do you have a link to the one's you ordered (from Mouser if I remember right).

You're using two toroids, right? I've got the two I had ordered for the original design (back in the day - like January I haven't done any winding yet as I was waiting for your breakthrough. Do I understand correctly that they need 330 turns of 20 gauge? Anything special to that winding? Just on one side, (like what I ordered in Dec/Jan), or do these 330 winds use all 360 degrees of the toroid?

Can't wait to start trying this thing!
Digits10,
I'm not answering for Clarence, but if you got the ones from post #6 then yes I believe is the correct ones. The primary is wound on the one side like 160° it seems.

Clarence knows the GDT better then me.
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Edit: was 160° not 180°.
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Digits10,
I'm not answering for Clarence, but if you got the ones from post #6 then yes I believe is the correct ones. The primary is wound on the one side like 180° it seems.

Clarence knows the GDT better then me.
wantomake
Yes the GDT was a 150 volt AXIAL from mouser - Mouser part#
871-B88069X2840S102.

Thanks J

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Digits10,
I'm not answering for Clarence, but if you got the ones from post #6 then yes I believe is the correct ones. The primary is wound on the one side like 180° it seems.

Clarence knows the GDT better then me.
wantomake
Wantomake ,


I need to explain briefly the setup you see in the thumbnail attachment.

First, it is an (Almost) exact duplicate of Ariovaldo's schematic. I even followed the color code on the wires as close as possible.

Second, most people would just say that's only a damn ground loop to avoid the meter. In a way it is and in a way it ISN"T.
B&L's method was to use the utility input on the toroid side only and then complete the power of the circuit through the ground (earth) as a return/neutral . The purpose of utility power to the toroids gave the system the hertz frequency needed for ALTERNATING elictricity. They were willing to pay for that small-small usage but not for any thing that was dumped into the ground. Whatever was freely dumped in the ground was also freely available for them to retrieve. So they came up with a system to do just that.
HOWEVER - NOT ONLY THAT ELECTRICITY but also every OTHER FORM that was there also- Natural earth charges- Lightning discharges into the earth - mainly whatever was available BELONGED TO THEM and they wanted it
big time. They also found out that the same system could be applied in a non Utility CO fashion, namely Solar/Battery/inverter and also just battery/ inverter.

Any way, each member can look at it the way they want and make their own decision.
EDIT: The two coils as shown DO replace the OLD DO NOTHING SHORTED # 1.0 Ought Loop. These two coils are looped ALSO AS A SHORTED LOOP as you can plainly see - HOWEVER the are a LENZ-LESS loop That DOES continualy ALTERNATE WITHIN ITSELF in efect enhancing the PULLING/PUMPING effect on the ground electrons - in that respect it DOES work like a charm!

On with the photos as shown below.

Cheers to ALL,

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on the toroids, Image 61.png are the 330 windings just on the top side (in red), or are they wound all the way around the toroid?
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[QUOTE=digits10;303441]Clarence,
I don't want to overwhelm you, since a lot of people are probably going to start asking questions. I had picked up the 90v GDT's, but apparently I'll need larger ones? Do you have a link to the one's you ordered (from Mouser if I remember right).

You're using two toroids, right? I've got the two I had ordered for the original design (back in the day - like January I haven't done any winding yet as I was waiting for your breakthrough. Do I understand correctly that they need 330 turns of 20 gauge? Anything special to that winding? Just on one side, (like what I ordered in Dec/Jan), or do these 330 winds use all 360 degrees of the toroid?

Can't wait to start trying this thing![/QUOTTE]

digits10

In the attachment are the two coils from back in the day. They are the same ones yo see in my photo post Previous.

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on the toroids, Attachment 19722 are the 330 windings just on the top side (in red), or are they wound all the way around the toroid?
digits10,

you answer is looking at you in the above post!

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Clarence,
Looks good and simple enough that I should be testing by this afternoon. Hopefully.

I noticed you added the GDT since your last E-pics to me. What size? I have the 90 and 250 volt ones.

Are your toroid (primary) windings same direction on the face to face configuration? Or opposite?

After sandwich will head to shop. And yes I'll be trying the inverter/battery setup but after this runs off the mains.

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Clarence,
Looks good and simple enough that I should be testing by this afternoon. Hopefully.

I noticed you added the GDT since your last E-pics to me. What size? I have the 90 and 250 volt ones.

Are your toroid (primary) windings same direction on the face to face configuration? Or opposite?

After sandwich will head to shop. And yes I'll be trying the inverter/battery setup but after this runs off the mains.

wantomake
Wantomake,

Use the 250 one - you have to use a GDT rated at HIGHER voltage than the mains or inverter voltage or the GDT WILL BLITZ the voltage straight thru and trip breakers!

The toroids are BUTT to Butt - found that if you place them face to face then
the input leads get in the way.

Face toFace Or ass to ass -makes no difference as long as they MATCH !
Nose to Ass doesn't work ! HA! HA!

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Wantomake,

Use the 250 one - you have to use a GDT rated at HIGHER voltage than the mains or inverter voltage or the GDT WILL BLITZ the voltage straight thru and trip breakers!

The toroids are BUTT to Butt - found that if you place them face to face then
the input leads get in the way.

Face toFace Or ass to ass -makes no difference as long as they MATCH !
Nose to Ass doesn't work ! HA! HA!

Clarence
Clarence,
Please don't paint that picture in my mind!!!



I just ate !!!!
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Old 08-08-2017, 06:26 PM
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Congrats Clarence!

The blue #12 coils are really the electron trap then?

Ha, I confess. I bought two of these toroid transformers from Bridgeport Magnetics way back when and when I finally admitted to myself that I didn't have what it takes to solve this B&L patent, I used them on another project, destroying one in the process.

I'll definitely have to try again now.

Thank you for persevering until you solved it and my hat's off to you sir for sharing your work.

Respectfully,
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Ok, thanks for the clarification. I just didn't know what the number of loops was on those toroids. To help anyone else, it's the:
"TD300-1120-P, 300VA, 60Hz, Primary 120V, 160 degrees winding on toroid surface, no secondary winding" available from Bridgeport Magnetics.
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Old 08-09-2017, 01:32 AM
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Clarence,
With your success, it gave me the inspiration I needed to put in 3 8' ground rods tonight. I'm waiting for the 150v GDT's to come in. Can't wait to try this thing! I've got a pure sine wave inverter, so I'm very interested in trying it with that also.
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Congratulations on your successful efforts and on a topic thread which illustrates what this forum is all about - shared experience with respect and support. I both appreciate and admire what I have read here. Best wishes to you, Clarence, and to all who seek to replicate what you have accomplished!
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Wantomake

I just made an improvement regarding the Two toroid in phase shorted loop shown in previous PIC'S as the Blue # 12 AWG wire wrapped around the toroid winds.

Instead of it just being a touch connection with the ground return I instead connected it with a short section of the ground return wire. This lets it still remain as a shorted loop but allows the alternating hertz frequency of the shorted loop to actually "PUMP" electrons through the ground wire and really does "ENHANCE THE GROUND RETURN" Action.

I confirmed this by using my clamp meter. Before the change with or without
loads on the system the shorted in phase blue wire loop always showed a steady amp reading of .4-.5 amps.
Now with it connected with part of the ground return wire as part of it's shorted loop the amp reading drops to .2 amps.
This shows that the ground return electrons are easing the current strain
on the shorted loop while it is pumping them through (alternation wise) .
May sound strange the way I put it but hopefully you get the idea anyway.

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... most people would just say that's only a damn ground loop to avoid the meter....
Put a couple of 1A fuses in the wires of the cord from the KAW meter. Then pull 27A current out to run your appliances.

If the fuses don't blow, that should put that argument to rest.

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Put a couple of 1A fuses in the wires of the cord from the KAW meter. Then pull 27A current out to run your appliances.

If the fuses don't blow, that should put that argument to rest.

Cadman,

Good Idea - I'll do it.

Thanks,

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Clarence and All builders,
I finished the toroid rewind, loop #12 gauge winding, all circuit setup built as specified by your pics. Also added GDT to the setup.

My AC voltage reading was 123 vac without load. Using a 100 watt clear bulb as load, the ac dropped to 90+- volts.
But my input .4 amps matched the output .4 amps. No matter what load I tried the same readings. I tried a second load connected and that halfed the load power to first load to 45+- av volts and dimmed the bulb.
I used an amp clamp and cheap KAW,and a fluke meter, so I believe they are close enough to accurate readings.

My ground grid is only 4 grounding rods which I'm hoping is the problem. In the past(as a test) I've used 14" galvanised nails to add to the grid (with alligator leads) to see if energy increases with more rods. Well it does add more energy as I added more nails.

So my ole friend help me out here. Should I add more grounding rods to my grid? That's the only difference in our setups. I remember you had 60 or so rods. Are you using that many now?

Help!!
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Clarence and All builders,
I finished the toroid rewind, loop #12 gauge winding, all circuit setup built as specified by your pics. Also added GDT to the setup.

My AC voltage reading was 123 vac without load. Using a 100 watt clear bulb as load, the ac dropped to 90+- volts.
But my input .4 amps matched the output .4 amps. No matter what load I tried the same readings. I tried a second load connected and that halfed the load power to first load to 45+- av volts and dimmed the bulb.
I used an amp clamp and cheap KAW,and a fluke meter, so I believe they are close enough to accurate readings.

My ground grid is only 4 grounding rods which I'm hoping is the problem. In the past(as a test) I've used 14" galvanised nails to add to the grid (with alligator leads) to see if energy increases with more rods. Well it does add more energy as I added more nails.

So my ole friend help me out here. Should I add more grounding rods to my grid? That's the only difference in our setups. I remember you had 60 or so rods. Are you using that many now?

Help!!
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Wantomake ,

Yes, that probably is the problem ole friend. After all this is an energy from the ground devise.
Also, I am using the 60 ground rods.

Here is an important note for all members , way back in the day (2013)
when Barbosa and Cleriston Leal were personally questioned about everything pertaining to their devise, the one asking the questions pushed them about the ground rods with respect to how many and how far apart.
They had no problem about the question and answered by sayingthe the minimum shoudbe somewhere around 26 rods an they should be about three feet apart and all of them planted in a ring/elongated oval/circular type with the two wire ends connected TOGETHER and then from that connection point
there should be a single wire of the SAME SIZE that was used in the rod ring.
They mentioned that the connecting wire should have an Ohm value of no greater than 0.1 ohms.
The ONLY AWG wire size that Ifound that met that criteria #6 (Green) AWG wire. That's what ALL of my 60 rods are connected with and also the feed wire from all of them.

They said use smaller wire and there would be PROBLEMS. I took them at their word.

When I was drawing 26+ amps with loads my input voltage from the mains dropped from 121 down to 118 volts. There WILL BE A DROP IN LINE VOLTAGE - it comes from usage.

Hope all this helps clear the way for you buddy!

Thanks for asking to J !

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Clarence,
On the rods, are yours in a circle? Or are they more like a grid? At 60 rods, it seems like that would be a pretty big circle. I think I've got the space, but I'll have to go take some measurements. If yours is working in a more compact area, I'd be interested in knowing.
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Cadman,

Good Idea - I'll do it.

Thanks,

Clarence

Hi Clarence! Good job

Could you, or somebody else to post a schematic of this device?
I mean the new schematic?
Thanks👍
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Hi Clarence! Good job

Could you, or somebody else to post a schematic of this device?
I mean the new schematic?
Thanks👍
FRANKLIN,

The best schematic would be the photo I posted on post # 1581 - this page#53.
All you have to do is look at it.

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Clarence,
On the rods, are yours in a circle? Or are they more like a grid? At 60 rods, it seems like that would be a pretty big circle. I think I've got the space, but I'll have to go take some measurements. If yours is working in a more compact area, I'd be interested in knowing.
digits10,

The thumbnail shows my configuration of rods around my house.

Best,

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Clarence,
Thanks for the information. That makes good sense.
26 grounding rods
26 connectors for wire to rod
26 rods at three feet apart in circle = 78 feet +-
78 feet #6 awg (green) wire (welding cable)on eBay 40' ($27) x 2
10 - 15 feet(?) From shop to circle #6 awg wire

Are my calculations right? Maybe. But it will take me a while to finish this. But will see what I can do.

Please everyone keep building. If this(?) can work from an inverter/battery setup, then if power outage of any nature happens you'll still have power.

If I remember correctly B&L started with this idea. There's more after this.
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Edit: I guess my coffee budget will get cut......well that's not going to happen !!!!
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