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Old 08-03-2017, 01:46 AM
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Clarence,
I'm blown away by your last post. If I can't build for two days then craziness will set in.

I have only one of the two primary only toroids left. The other was rewound. So the waiting will start for me. I've no choice now.

So I could just try the solo toroid with a smaller ought wire and just a simple test.

You saw good results with the two so therefore I do wait if I can for your next post.

wantomake
Wantomake,

The single primary toroid has 330 turns of say 22-24 AWG mag wire. However, I'm going to use the old standby #20 AWG to finish the secondary on my two .

I would suggest you use the 660 toroid and wind over it for a secondary
with 330 tourns of #20 mag wire also. Just do a reasonable back and forth
right hand wind wherever it looks god for you.

The transformers in series are supposed to be balanced with respect to having equal turns ratio, but just for a preliminary trial the lower voltage
output from the 660 unit may not matter all that much. The dual in series hookup will give double the amperage output anyway. (Hope so.)

You said I had good results - here are the facts so you will know. The continued circuit through the two winds gave a total voltage output from open end to other open end of 2.0 volts. When I disconnect the line wire to just one of the toroids the voltage dropped to 1 volt - hooked it back up so two were in series again -bingo - back to 2 volts output again! For the other test of the out put I connected it to the Ground return - Remained 2.0 volts.
Normally when I would touch a low voltage AC indication to the ground return
all voltage indication would disappear- not so with this setup.

All of this noted info told me that first of all the voltage output was real,
secondly it told me that the two winds were just for illustration purposes and that the secondaries had to match the primary winds for a balanced transformer output - namely 120 in with 120 out.
Also it told me that the input was DIRECT power from mains and that the output was from MAGNETIC FLUX - the separation I was looking for.

Hope all this explains whatI foundout and what you can expect for youself.

Later J,

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I'm one of the silent followers. . . ok, maybe not so silent I'm reading every one of your posts, and check in several times daily for updates. Just in case you wonder if your posts are benefiting anyone, I appreciate them. Since I'm unable to keep pace with you, I'm just watching right now. But, I'm ready to have at it when you finally reach the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow! (Well, if you're Irish I guess).
Hello Digits10,

Thanks for your support.
I am Irish.The next few posts will be enlightening also.
The next one could pertain to you also!

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Wantomake,

The single primary toroid has 330 turns of say 22-24 AWG mag wire. However, I'm going to use the old standby #20 AWG to finish the secondary on my two .

I would suggest you use the 660 toroid and wind over it for a secondary
with 330 tourns of #20 mag wire also. Just do a reasonable back and forth
right hand wind wherever it looks good for you.

The transformers in series are supposed to be balanced with respect to having equal turns ratio, but just for a preliminary trial the lower voltage
output from the 660 unit may not matter all that much. The dual in series hookup will give double the amperage output anyway. (Hope so.)


Later J,

Clarence
Wantomake,

I need to speak to you about our 660 turn toroid.
When I used the primary only toroids in series and then realized they needed
to have a full secondary also - namely a 330 turn primary AND a 330 turn secondary, I said "OH ****", that means that the B&L actual toroid WAS a
PRIMARY with a SECONDARY !
They wound the core with 330 turns ( A standard number for toroid transformers it seems ) on one side of the metal core and wound the other side with 330 turns also.!
It ALSO gave them the MAGNETIC FLUX separation I was looking for all this time! (SOB)
This makes our 660 turn toroid primary a blooper! (XXXX - XXXX - XXXX).
A real screw-up because it covers the WHOLE surface AREA!

Further research into the patent SAYS that their units can be made in a
SINGLE TOROID TRANSFORMER , or a SERIES DOUBLE TRANSFORMER,
or a TWO -SERIES DOUBLE TRANSFORMER, or a THREE-SERIES DOUBLE TRANSFORMER, or a FOUR-SERIES DOUBLE TRANSFORMER unit, depending on the CUSTOMERS POWER NEEDS!!!! (AMPERAGE NEEDED) !!
How about that!

As I said,I will be winding these two Toroids that I have to validate all this info.

Probably going to need several cups to wash this down!

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Hello Digits10,

Thanks for your support.
I am Irish.The next few posts will be enlightening also.
The next one could pertain to you also!

Have a good day,

Clarence
Thanks Digits10,
It's good to know. I'm mostly for right now just a student in the back of Clarence class room.

I'm English. We have our ancestry from the 1200's and came from Essex county or area in England. The Irish and English working and sharing a cup or pint together. Coffee each morning and a pint or two each weekend. If we lived closer I'd certainly drive ole Clarence mad with my many questions.

If you look around the room you'll spot me, the one with notebooks all around and an eager look on his English face. Or too much caffeine look.

Spot of coffee anyone,
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Edit: Clarence didn't see your new post. I was typing. Will need to order more 20 awg.
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Edit: Clarence didn't see your new post. I was typing. Will need to order more 20 awg.
Wantomake,

I wasn't real happy about the 660 turn toroid info.

At that time I just didn't put everything together as I should have because of lack of info.

The concept of their (B&L) toroid being an actual input /output explains all those extra wires shown in the tear down photos of "A".
All that TANGLED wire mess makes a little more sense now.

All things aside, providing this series circuit through the two toroids IS effective then the search for an actual working B&L unit is over!

That would delight me no end.

Time for a sip.

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Wantomake,

For a little insight - use your search and find : Using Power Transformers In Parallel or Series - You Tube.......by electronicsNmore .

That's what I did before I went ahead and made my trial with the two transformers. It also shows the evidence of the output amperage being doubled.


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For a little insight - use your search and find : Using Power Transformers In Parallel or Series - You Tube.......by electronicsNmore .

That's what I did before I went ahead and made my trial with the two transformers. It also shows the evidence of the output amperage being doubled.


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Clarence,
One thing he did emphasize on the video is that the two transformers must be same ohm readings or very close to it. I remember how hard it was to wind the last toroid. So not sure I can match the exact number of winds on this next one. But will see what the solo toroid does first.

Working all day at wife's job so maybe some shop time this evening.
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One thing he did emphasize on the video is that the two transformers must be same ohm readings or very close to it. I remember how hard it was to wind the last toroid. So not sure I can match the exact number of winds on this next one. But will see what the solo toroid does first.

Working all day at wife's job so maybe some shop time this evening.
wantomake
Wantomake,

I measured the Ohm value on the primary of both my primary only toroids.
They both measured 1.2 ohms. Yours should measure the same.
Have decided to do the SOLO Transformer setup also.
Have been thinking long and hard about the shorted 1.0 AWG thing.
I know for a fact that there is NO inductive capability in it whatsoever. The only thing it has left alone by it self is an internal high amperage value which can be adjusted by larger AWG wire size AND more passes thru the center of the solo toroid.
It bothers me that they put this thing in their system. They are definitely NOT dummies. A typical component in an electrical system should have
conductivity - inductance - and transference. To me since it has NONE of these, the only thing to do is GIVE them to it!
If the LIVE alternation of the NEUTRAL WIRE output from the toroid were to FIRST
make a wrap or two around TWO of the Shorted coil turns THAT would INDUCE flow in the thing and then let the sane length of the neutral wire pass through the split bolt connector (by making a bald insulation removal space
for electrical conductivity and amperage transference) then the ugly old dead thing Could be made useful. The continuation of this same wire can then be connected to the ground earth return and then jointly to a LOAD terminal strip. The Neutral/Earth connection to loads plus the Line feed should then be a power supply with plenty of voltage and amperage.

I will give all of this a trial in the next few days to come.
I am half way through with the winds on the first Toroid and will finish and check balance on it later today.
SOLO TRANSFORMER illustration attached in thumbnail.

Later J,

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I measured the Ohm value on the primary of both my primary only toroids.
They both measured 1.2 ohms. Yours should measure the same.
Have decided to do the SOLO Transformer setup also.
Have been thinking long and hard about the shorted 1.0 AWG thing.
I know for a fact that there is NO inductive capability in it whatsoever. The only thing it has left alone by it self is an internal high amperage value which can be adjusted by larger AWG wire size AND more passes thru the center of the solo toroid.
It bothers me that they put this thing in their system. They are definitely NOT dummies. A typical component in an electrical system should have
conductivity - inductance - and transference. To me since it has NONE of these, the only thing to do is GIVE them to it!
If the LIVE alternation of the NEUTRAL WIRE output from the toroid were to FIRST
make a wrap or two around TWO of the Shorted coil turns THAT would INDUCE flow in the thing and then let the sane length of the neutral wire pass through the split bolt connector (by making a bald insulation removal space
for electrical conductivity and amperage transference) then the ugly old dead thing Could be made useful. The continuation of this same wire can then be connected to the ground earth return and then jointly to a LOAD terminal strip. The Neutral/Earth connection to loads plus the Line feed should then be a power supply with plenty of voltage and amperage.

I will give all of this a trial in the next few days to come.
I am half way through with the winds on the first Toroid and will finish and check balance on it later today.
SOLO TRANSFORMER illustration attached in thumbnail.

Later J,

CLARENCE
Clarence,
Somebody had a good cup of Joe today.

I can't add anything to that post.

Conductivity and amerage transference seems to stop the whole train. Is there suppose to be a transference of amps from the loop to the ground grid wire wrapped around it? Or does that 90 degree wrap cause the electrons to move in a certain direction in the loop? Simply where does the current to power any load come from?

I hate these questions too.
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Somebody had a good cup of Joe today.

I can't add anything to that post.

Conductivity and amerage transference seems to stop the whole train. Is there suppose to be a transference of amps from the loop to the ground grid wire wrapped around it? Or does that 90 degree wrap cause the electrons to move in a certain direction in the loop? Simply where does the current to power any load come from?

I hate these questions too.
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Wantomake ,

Those are nice valid questions - very very reasonable.

As soon as I have my first with it's balanced secondary Toroid completed I am going to do that very build I mentioned and we will get some yes or no's.

I had to make a trip to town today to get some 3/4 inch wide beige masking tape to cover over between the winding layers to stop eye confusion and show only each new individual turn without seeing it AND the previous layer winds at the same time. You Know bout dat.
Also picked up Some black and white small AWG gauge stranded wire for the
secondary input and output leads.

So now I am back to finishing the last of the winding for the secondary.
I also received my 150 volt GDT,s in from mouser and will put one ofthem in the build also. It will link the ground return straight back to the Toroid INPUT
hot lead which comes from the mains (or inverter) breaker (safety feature
they included in order to have their Patent APPROVED).
You need to bear in mind this is NOT connected to the Toroid SECONDARY output HOT lead so it is still NOT a DIRECT connection to the mains with respect to the energy production of the system!

Will try to make the # 1.0 coil look less like a dung pile than previously.

Enough talking, back to working and Sippin.

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Somebody had a good cup of Joe today.

I can't add anything to that post.

Conductivity and amerage transference seems to stop the whole train. Is there suppose to be a transference of amps from the loop to the ground grid wire wrapped around it? Or does that 90 degree wrap cause the electrons to move in a certain direction in the loop? Simply where does the current to power any load come from?

I hate these questions too.
wantomake
Wantomake,

Finished the toroid secondary put the setup back together and let the secondary neutral output make a couple of wraps around the shorted loop coil and then on to join the ground return line and then to load terminal.
Powered up and did a couple of loads as trials.

Nothing great or outstanding about any of it. After awhile the secondary
of the toroid began to show some heat so stopped the unit. This effort to me didn't prove anything so far.?

Am going to wind the other toroid and do the series transformer thing. ??

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Finished the toroid secondary put the setup back together and let the secondary neutral output make a couple of wraps around the shorted loop coil and then on to join the ground return line and then to load terminal.
Powered up and did a couple of loads as trials.

Nothing great or outstanding about any of it. After awhile the secondary
of the toroid began to show some heat so stopped the unit. This effort to me didn't prove anything so far.?

Am going to wind the other toroid and do the series transformer thing. ??

Clarence
Clarence,
Good morning coffee and friend !!!

You seem to be getting closer to finding the answer. Will be a few days more until the financial allows me to get caught up with you. Meanwhile still looking over notes and web to find something to contribute here.

This kinda reminds me of Thane Heins Bitt setup with the transformer and coil configurations. Was studying more on transference and stumbled across his invention. His primary voltage is amazingly low with higher secondary output. Of course I've not the vocabulary to discuss his work here.

But there's a similar effect of energy happening between this coil,loop, and smaller (coil)wrap around the loop.

Darn it. If I'd been born smart instead of a coffee lover, we would be finished with this already.

Back to studying with hot cup of coffee,
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Hello Wantomake you make me laugh a lot with Darn it. If I'd been born smart instead of a coffee lover, we would be finished with this already. Thanks a lot. First laugh in the morning.
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Good morning coffee and friend !!!

You seem to be getting closer to finding the answer. Will be a few days more until the financial allows me to get caught up with you. Meanwhile still looking over notes and web to find something to contribute here.

This kinda reminds me of Thane Heins Bitt setup with the transformer and coil configurations. Was studying more on transference and stumbled across his invention. His primary voltage is amazingly low with higher secondary output. Of course I've not the vocabulary to discuss his work here.

But there's a similar effect of energy happening between this coil,loop, and smaller (coil)wrap around the loop.

Darn it. If I'd been born smart instead of a coffee lover, we would be finished with this already.

Back to studying with hot cup of coffee,
wantomake
Wanyomake.

Took the primary only coil I had just wound and took the new secondary wing back off of it. All it did was THROW it's load right back on the primary
so that route sucks big time.

So now will do the two primary only toroids with the two winds directly on top
of the primary winding themselves and NOT on top of the core. Will see if that helps or not.
Never know when working with this creature.
It shows the two winds of the ground return wire only on ONE of the winds on the bottom torroid.
Will do all of that and see how it goes??

EDIT: Had to reorder some more 150 v GDT's from mouser. the last two Fried instantly.
Wrong type I guess?


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Clarence,
Woke up to rain here. Very much needed. Grass is brown. Noticed some cows lounging around on chairs sipping lemonade next to a pool cause there's nothing but hay to eat.

I did try some different loop and coil configurations yesterday just to test some ideas. Nothing worthy to post happened. Placed the primary only toroid(call it"B") in the loop with the coil ("A")and noticed the amps (on the loop)drop to zero if there's no load or short across "B". With "B" loaded or shorted the amperage reads 65~70 Amps in the loop. Big question mark there.

Hope all goes well with your tests and trials.

Coffee in hand, sipping on rainy front porch,
Life is good.
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Woke up to rain here. Very much needed. Grass is brown. Noticed some cows lounging around on chairs sipping lemonade next to a pool cause there's nothing but hay to eat.

I did try some different loop and coil configurations yesterday just to test some ideas. Nothing worthy to post happened. Placed the primary only toroid(call it"B") in the loop with the coil ("A")and noticed the amps (on the loop)drop to zero if there's no load or short across "B". With "B" loaded or shorted the amperage reads 65~70 Amps in the loop. Big question mark there.

Hope all goes well with your tests and trials.

Coffee in hand, sipping on rainy front porch,
Life is good.
wantomake
Wantomake,

Did make some progress and gain some noteworthy knowledge at the same time using the two toroid opposing face to face method.

With the two wraps strictly around the primary windings and NOT around the
open CORE body at all (that's a NO! NO!) using # 12 gauge stranded wire
I got a reading of Twenty AC volts from either end of the wraps back to toroid Line input. It didn't make a damn which end you measured from back to AC line input it always measures the same. That is because the two toroids are opposite faced making each of the ends IN PHASE with each other.
So no problem hooking both ends together and using that joint connection as the neutral for a load terminal with the hot lead to the two toroids as the
line input for loads.
made the loop connection as the schemo shows but haven't got into that yet.

Since the two wraps only produced 20 volts that means each of the wraps gives 10 volts AC neutral output. In a nut shell I have to redo and make a total of 12 wraps on each of the toroid primary winds - this will give me 120 volts to work with and get on with trials involving the ground connection.

Busy farm day today moving bulls back to their separate pasture zones, their entertainment of the ladies is over till next summer!

Off and on rain here and hot.

Later J,

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Hope all goes well with your tests and trials.

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wantomake[/QUOTE]

Wantomake,

After four years of work now I am almost speechless. I really don't know how to put it all into words. NOT joking Brother!

I re-worked the two single primary only toroids in their face to face confrontation and did the 13 wraps with the #12 AWG stranded wire as I said I was going to do, and put the setup together again. I thought that many wraps would give 120 volt output but it didn't - only increased up to 50 + AC volts. Turns out that was plenty enough. Hooked everything in place and took
the ground return into consideration this time.

Bro, to save a whole lot of time and words, THE WHOLE SOB DOES WHAT IT WAS SAID IT COULD DO!

I have Had it pulling energy from the ground up tp 9.8AMPS. all of this while the KAW meter only shows 0.07 amps supplied from the mains and at 5.4 watts. At first I thought it was a faulty KAW so I dug out the others and tried
Four more of them - they all read the same. I have run a floor fan, my microwave, my smart charger charging my battery banks, all at the same time - still NO CHANGE ON THE INPUT FROM THE MAINs- 0.07 amps at 5.4 watts. I was just standing there dumbfounded.
All this time the # 12 wraps on the toroid only showed .5 amps with never changing!.

Couldn't find any more things to run at one time so I just left it running my Smart Charger and came and sat down,

To shocked to take any Photos for now but may get to it tonight .
Drink some for me,

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Wantomake,

After four years of work now I am almost speechless. I really don't know how to put it all into words. NOT joking Brother!

I re-worked the two single primary only toroids in their face to face confrontation and did the 13 wraps with the #12 AWG stranded wire as I said I was going to do, and put the setup together again. I thought that many wraps would give 120 volt output but it didn't - only increased up to 50 + AC volts. Turns out that was plenty enough. Hooked everything in place and took
the ground return into consideration this time.

Bro, to save a whole lot of time and words, THE WHOLE SOB DOES WHAT IT WAS SAID IT COULD DO!

I have Had it pulling energy from the ground up tp 9.8AMPS. all of this while the KAW meter only shows 0.07 amps supplied from the mains and at 5.4 watts. At first I thought it was a faulty KAW so I dug out the others and tried
Four more of them - they all read the same. I have run a floor fan, my microwave, my smart charger charging my battery banks, all at the same time - still NO CHANGE ON THE INPUT FROM THE MAINs- 0.07 amps at 5.4 watts. I was just standing there dumbfounded.
All this time the # 12 wraps on the toroid only showed .5 amps with never changing!.

Couldn't find any more things to run at one time so I just left it running my Smart Charger and came and sat down,

To shocked to take any Photos for now but may get to it tonight .
Drink some for me,

Clarence
Wantomake,

Went and added a lot more Items to some multiport heavy duty AC three way adapters.

Got the amperage draw from the ground up to 18.8 amps with still only 0.07
amperage AC input A 5.4 watts.
The Wind output from the # 12 AWG wraps was still only .5 amps - no heating on toroids at all.

What I want to do is get the amperage draw from the ground Above 20 Amps
which is all the wall plug is rated for and see if it trips or hangs in there. if it doesn't trip and the extension cord powering the toroids is not hot or heated
then that will verify the KAW meter readings of 0.07 amps and 5.4 watts.

EDIT: 18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!

Later,

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Clarence,
Congrats! Glad to hear the success! I'm looking forward to giving it a try myself - after I know how to. Sadly, I wasn't even born a coffee lover
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Congrats! Glad to hear the success! I'm looking forward to giving it a try myself - after I know how to. Sadly, I wasn't even born a coffee lover
Hello digits10,

Glad to hear from you!
Seems like every one else just looked in - said HO HUM! and left.

I just loaded my setup with loads equaling 26 + amps on a wall plug outlet only rated for 20 amps MAX - no breaker trip - no heat in the extension cord from the outlet to the setup at all. Al of the unit parts remained cool cool cool.

So the reading on the Kill-A-Watt meter is valid.
The total energy input is only 0.07 amps @ 5.4 watts.
For that little bit in I just got 26 + amps of actual being used working energy.
That's a lot of difference.

Thanks again for your support!

Respectfully,

Clarence
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Wantomake,

Went and added a lot more Items to some multiport heavy duty AC three way adapters.

Got the amperage draw from the ground up to 18.8 amps with still only 0.07
amperage AC input A 5.4 watts.
The Wind output from the # 12 AWG wraps was still only .5 amps - no heating on toroids at all.

What I want to do is get the amperage draw from the ground Above 20 Amps
which is all the wall plug is rated for and see if it trips or hangs in there. if it doesn't trip and the extension cord powering the toroids is not hot or heated
then that will verify the KAW meter readings of 0.07 amps and 5.4 watts.

EDIT: 18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!

Later,

Clarence

Hallelujah MY MAIN MAN

Alright looks like a dead ringer Clarence. I hope everything checks out with
no trickles from the grid. I thought you had it last year but that is the
way research goes plus the fact you NEVER give up. You are amazing.

You just get in there with both hands and dig, a winner.

I would be easy to lose that connection diagram with so many tries.



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You have been a good follower, hope yours does as well.
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Hallelujah MY MAIN MAN

Alright looks like a dead ringer Clarence. I hope everything checks out with
no trickles from the grid. I thought you had it last year but that is the
way research goes plus the fact you NEVER give up. You are amazing.

You just get in there with both hands and dig, a winner.

I would be easy to lose that connection diagram with so many tries.



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You have been a good follower, hope yours does as well.
Hello BRO,

Yes , it finally happened. At times today when I would just keep adding load after load to bring the amperage from the ground return up as high as I could get it and all at the input of about a NIGHT LITE in V/A I would just look and stare in amazement. At times I was excited enough to start some small trembling. It's really amazing.

When I was running a floor fan, the microwave heating water on the high setting, a large shop vac, A Tripplite PR 30 powering an inverter with a 100 watt light, and also powering my Xantrex True Charger 2 and it charging my two battery banks - all with only 0.07 amp input at 5 watt and the Amperage coming from the ground reading 26+ amps - OMG!

I had to go and sit down for awhile and just be still.

All the components in the setup ran very cool also.

Thanks for your kind remarks BRO!

EDIT: Also bro I could tell by the items that were being used as loads that it should be no problem to use this setup in a battery inverter form. (IMHOP)

Respectfully,

Clarence
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Hello Clarence, congratulation again, after reading your success post I have run to tell my wife about you and how hard you work for It and how proud I am of you, hope you open a good champaign bottle for celebration. Best for you .
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My My, get some rest we got to have you in one piece to verify
the long slow process. Nice work. When you can let us know how
many ground rods it took on this new setup.


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very well done Clarence!!!

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Hello BRO,

Yes , it finally happened. At times today when I would just keep adding load after load to bring the amperage from the ground return up as high as I could get it and all at the input of about a NIGHT LITE in V/A I would just look and stare in amazement. At times I was excited enough to start some small trembling. It's really amazing.

When I was running a floor fan, the microwave heating water on the high setting, a large shop vac, A Tripplite PR 30 powering an inverter with a 100 watt light, and also powering my Xantrex True Charger 2 and it charging my two battery banks - all with only 0.07 amp input at 5 watt and the Amperage coming from the ground reading 26+ amps - OMG!

I had to go and sit down for awhile and just be still.




All the components in the setup ran very cool also.

Thanks for your kind remarks BRO!

EDIT: Also bro I could tell by the items that were being used as loads that it should be no problem to use this setup in a battery inverter form. (IMHOP)

Respectfully,

Clarence
Hello Clarence!

I understood you got a new set up for this device
Congratulations!!
hope you can share with me also your results

thanks
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Hello BRO,

Yes , it finally happened. At times today when I would just keep adding load after load to bring the amperage from the ground return up as high as I could get it and all at the input of about a NIGHT LITE in V/A I would just look and stare in amazement. At times I was excited enough to start some small trembling. It's really amazing.

When I was running a floor fan, the microwave heating water on the high setting, a large shop vac, A Tripplite PR 30 powering an inverter with a 100 watt light, and also powering my Xantrex True Charger 2 and it charging my two battery banks - all with only 0.07 amp input at 5 watt and the Amperage coming from the ground reading 26+ amps - OMG!

I had to go and sit down for awhile and just be still.

All the components in the setup ran very cool also.

Thanks for your kind remarks BRO!

EDIT: Also bro I could tell by the items that were being used as loads that it should be no problem to use this setup in a battery inverter form. (IMHOP)

Respectfully,

Clarence
Clarence,
There's been no internet because of the storms today. This is first I've seen this great news!!!!

And who are all these people all of sudden?

I think all i need is to rewind the coil to match the untouched primary only toroid. The loop around the two will be no problem.

So what made it happen? You said pulling amps from the ground grid? Crap I missed all the excitement today.

Anyway to get any pics tonight or early am? I'll get caught up then help you here cause posters will have many questions I'm sure.

Sorry ole friend this wasn't me this time,
wantomake
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Clarence[/QUOTE]

Hello @ Wantomake,
&
Hello @ ALL,

Had to un-litter my cart setup with all the load items I was running at one time so I could clear the way to take some photos tomorrow afternoon.
It won't be until the afternoon till the new correct GDT's for the safety - over voltage lightning protection feature come in. that was also a part of this devise. The patent issue requires such a feature so you may as well have it in yours also.

The whole thing is really VERY simple and follows one of their basic patent illustrations.
You will notice a difference in the method I connected the ground returnto the setup also. Basically the same and surely works so that's the way I will keep it.

Cooked my supper in the microwave using this system and that was a real thrill this time. 0.07 amps used to cook with 16.5 amps doing the real work! NICE!

Wantomake - I mentioned earlier that this same system can be used as a battery/inverter system - however I believe there will be a need for a one rod voltage input from the inverter to be able to receive any and all energy from the ground. If I remember right I believe you already have that done.
And then maybe it won't be necessary at all. That's your department.

Enough for one day.

Goodnight to All,

Clarence
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Clarence,
There's been no internet because of the storms today. This is first I've seen this great news!!!!

And who are all these people all of sudden?

I think all i need is to rewind the coil to match the untouched primary only toroid. The loop around the two will be no problem.

So what made it happen? You said pulling amps from the ground grid? Crap I missed all the excitement today.

Anyway to get any pics tonight or early am? I'll get caught up then help you here cause posters will have many questions I'm sure.

Sorry ole friend this wasn't me this time,
wantomake
Wantomake ,

Dear ole friend , I already knew that you were having trouble of some kind - so don't fret.

No pics until late tomorrow afternoon. The setup is completely different from what you have seen before - BUT - it is exactly like the patent illustration.

When you see the pics I will EXPECT you to get right back on the horn and ask as MANY questions as you want and need.
Not only will the answers help YOU but also ALL the other members too.

You talk about a NICE grown up toy to work with - this thing will blow your mind away!

I had even considered going to my sons shop and dragging his small AC welder over to my house and adding it to the loads I was running. I wanted to get to 30 amps or more to push the limit but I only reached 26 + amps from the Ground.

Lots more I could say ole friend but I have wore this day out for now.

Later J,

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Wantomake ,

Dear ole friend , I already knew that you were having trouble of some kind - so don't fret.

No pics until late tomorrow afternoon. The setup is completely different from what you have seen before - BUT - it is exactly like the patent illustration.

When you see the pics I will EXPECT you to get right back on the horn and ask as MANY questions as you want and need.
Not only will the answers help YOU but also ALL the other members too.

You talk about a NICE grown up toy to work with - this thing will blow your mind away!

I had even considered going to my sons shop and dragging his small AC welder over to my house and adding it to the loads I was running. I wanted to get to 30 amps or more to push the limit but I only reached 26 + amps from the Ground.

Lots more I could say ole friend but I have wore this day out for now.

Later J,

Clarence
good to hear,
we look forward to hear your results clarence

great
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