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Old 04-04-2017, 02:14 AM
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All help is welcomed here. I follow what Clarence is putting together. He's working on the toriod secondary winding as far as I've read. I don't know if this still is necessary anymore or not, but check your area geomagnetic nT values. Just Google it and take note of the area you live in. With the old setup I was able to get some, not much, return from the ground rods I have in place so far. I only have a few like 4 input rods and 1 return rod. I could light a low watt cfl and power the smart battery charger over night and only lost a few tenths of a volt from my solar battery bank. Of course I removed the B & L setup from the loop and found that it will do the same with just the inverter connected to the rods.

Just word of caution, be careful with this setup. Make sure it's off before adding or touching any ground rods. I know cause this is same rods used to grid ground homes. Inverter has same danger as mains power lines. Has made me dance a few times myself. Lol.

Of course we are trying a different setup per Clarence and his instructions.

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Wantomake,

My purchases came in so I finished the toroid secondary Bifilar revision
this afternoon. Tomorrow will be testing day. Will use the MAINS method
first as that's what the revision is all about.
So I want everyone to give me some time space while I go over the results.
They may be good, half good, no good - time will tell. Thanks.

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Old 04-04-2017, 02:21 PM
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Clarence,
I have my finger on the order button for the magnet wire. But will wait to see your results. Then maybe I can help test and understand with a toroid setup as you have. Cause one thing important to get good test with results is everyone be on same replication blue print.

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Old 04-04-2017, 06:49 PM
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I have my finger on the order button for the magnet wire. But will wait to see your results. Then maybe I can help test and understand with a toroid setup as you have. Cause one thing important to get good test with results is everyone be on same replication blue print.

With respect and patience,
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Wantomake,

You can take your finger off the order button.
So far That did not make a difference .
The question still is how to effect the connection to ground without having the secondary throwing its load ability back on the primary coil. When the primary gets loaded by the secondary that's when the utility meter starts registering energy used. Their units primary never was loaded by their secondary at all. It always showed 0.10 amps. How they managed to do that is what we are trying to find out here.

Everyone gets themselves sidetracked about the damn ground voltage.
That is the least thing to be concerned with. EVERY Utility PUMPS it into the ground every second of every day. If it wasn't there they would not be in business. Again the total effort to be concerned with is H O W D I D
T H E Y E X T R A C T I T !
That's what I am working on. It was real simple for sure and the only equipment the used was simple and so basic it shoots right over everybody's
heads. All the mishmash about other components and different frequency's
and this thing and that thing are wasted thoughts.
The only items to be focused on are the ones they had in their little boxes.

The little diagram I showed you is what I am using right now and other than the secondary still back loading the primary I'm still at it.
The one thing I have noticed so far is that the grounding being attached in that circuit sure put some brilliance in the CFLs and heat bulbs I used. Back at it.
Much later on I'm pretty sure.

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Old 04-05-2017, 04:27 PM
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You can take your finger off the order button.
So far That did not make a difference .
The question still is how to effect the connection to ground without having the secondary throwing its load ability back on the primary coil. When the primary gets loaded by the secondary that's when the utility meter starts registering energy used. Their units primary never was loaded by their secondary at all. It always showed 0.10 amps. How they managed to do that is what we are trying to find out here.

Everyone gets themselves sidetracked about the damn ground voltage.
That is the least thing to be concerned with. EVERY Utility PUMPS it into the ground every second of every day. If it wasn't there they would not be in business. Again the total effort to be concerned with is H O W D I D
T H E Y E X T R A C T I T !
That's what I am working on. It was real simple for sure and the only equipment the used was simple and so basic it shoots right over everybody's
heads. All the mishmash about other components and different frequency's
and this thing and that thing are wasted thoughts.
The only items to be focused on are the ones they had in their little boxes.

The little diagram I showed you is what I am using right now and other than the secondary still back loading the primary I'm still at it.
The one thing I have noticed so far is that the grounding being attached in that circuit sure put some brilliance in the CFLs and heat bulbs I used. Back at it.
Much later on I'm pretty sure.

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Clarence
Hey Clarence,
Well I was ready to order but ok.
Different note same subject. I was unaware of the SWER system in other countries and I think in parts of the US. That would be very easy to build a transformer with ground return to "harvest" the return because the SWER sends the hot side down into the earth and all they need to do is reclaim it with many rods and transform it back into usable energy. Sorry Clarence I'm slow sometmes in my studying all these many aspects of FREE Energy.

Thanks for your e-mail on that by the way. So all those on overunity didn't catch that fact? So can we still "extract" anything? I really need to look at this differently than my first understanding of "earth energy".

I still want to understand more,
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:19 PM
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I still want to understand more,
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Wantomake,

Understand.
Have to take a break for a day or two to catch up on home,farm,animals and
tons of all other things.

The answer to all of the mystery of this unit lies in the method of using and connecting their DIY toroid transformer which has a primary wind AND a secondary wind.
I have learned that NEITHER ONE can be used as an inductive transfer devise
as doing that would back load that wind. That wind would then require more amperage to handle the back load.
The meter reading for amps on their toroid power input ALWAYS remained constant at 0,i amps. THE-ONLY -WAY-That-CAN-HAPPEN-IS-NO-BACK-LOAD!
NEVER-EVER!
So then how do you prevent the possibility of a back load? Answer is super simple - power BOTH WINDS. (please do not say that makes makes them
bucking coils - I TOTALLY DESPISE that dumb ass terminology).
In this particular instance it makes them BOTH inductive winds by means of the transformer core.
So now we have a really nice induction means - what to do with it? (AND NOT INCREASE
THE AMPERAGE on EITHER WIND).
Well here comes that big ole black 1 ought wire poking ONE time through that inductive core!!!

More later - I really have to get to work here or I just get farther behind.

Thanks for listening Wantomake.

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Hello Mr Clarence and All.

The construction of the toroid look complicate but what I can see after long time decoding that picture is on top of the primary is two bucking coils, when you see the toroid picture from the center left two wire connected together and look one wire only for left and only one wire for right, the end two wires one is connected to blue?? going to load ,and other?? big question. They do the winding to be confuse whit bifilar coils but I don't thing so. Best wish.
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Hello Mr Clarence and All.

The construction of the toroid look complicate but what I can see after long time decoding that picture is on top of the primary is two bucking coils, when you see the toroid picture from the center left two wire connected together and look one wire only for left and only one wire for right, the end two wires one is connected to blue?? going to load ,and other?? big question. They do the winding to be confuse whit bifilar coils but I don't thing so. Best wish.
Hello,

Please read my post again - I said they are NOT BUCKING COILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU!

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Wasn't looking for it but I came across an article written in Portuguese. Figured it may add some information.


Marcelo Trindade: Destaque

Here is a quote from the article.
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According to Cleriston Leal, the ground wire always negatively charged causes repulsion, and attraction if connected to the equipment. The captor draws the electrons of the earth through the wires, producing energy in the scale of 1x100, consumption equal to one and capture equal to 100. All consumption returns to the cycle or, depending on ....
Don't recall that in the patent but it's been awhile for me. Hope it helps, good luck gents.

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Here is another quote from the article.

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"In our equipment, we were able to break the resistance of the conductor, which would only support 200 amps, and went on to withstand 400 amperes of power at normal temperature. The current circulating inside the captor is apparent and real. In this current there is no loss because there is no transformation and the power is equal to the current, "explained Nilson Barbosa.
In the mode of capture of energy from the air, the principle of the captors is the same, only taking into account that it is mobile. It is not connected to grounding.

Has anyone come across these quotes?

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Here is another quote from the article.




Has anyone come across these quotes?

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There are no quotes in the box. Only wires, wound toroid,and connections.
If it doesn't work with just those - then what should it be called: ? ..

Thanks any way.

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Wasn't looking for it but I came across an article written in Portuguese. Figured it may add some information.


Marcelo Trindade: Destaque

Here is a quote from the article.


Don't recall that in the patent but it's been awhile for me. Hope it helps, good luck gents.

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Core,
Thanks for the very interesting quotes. Can provide the link for the entire article in english?

Very interesting and want to know for sure if there's more to this or not.

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Old 04-07-2017, 10:17 PM
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Core,
Thanks for the very interesting quotes. Can provide the link for the entire article in english?

Very interesting and want to know for sure if there's more to this or not.

Thanks if you can,
wantomake

Wantomake ,

Check your E-mail the translation is already there.

Still nothing as far as good results - will still be working at it.
Thanks!

Good reading.

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I still want to understand more,
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Wantomake,

Have been at it for a while now - made lots of different conceivable
connections and I mean bunches.
All with no good results. This devise was said to get its energy from the ground
and also said to be self running. So far it's definite neither one of those things are happening.

Sooooooooo I am going to back off for awhile (how long? who knows?) and take some time and do a lot of review and added research till I can find the
answer. Just missing it somewhere, maybe location after all?, just really need to find out.

Much later on!

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Hello,

No I don't need help.
Thanks for the offer for sure!
All I need is the time to correct some
big ass mistakes.
BY that that I mean that ALL posts made
by me from beginning of thread time contain
lots of info that will soon be made obsolete.
So either hang on or do as you wish.
Also no offense meant either - to me straight truth
should prevail -some like it and some don't.

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wantomake,

Realizing all the FLUBBER I had made from the beginning of time and concerning the info I sent you by last E
(hope you got it and read it) I have been trying to find the core material for the correction build since their
supposed toroid never was a transformer of any kind to start with. This fact has made almost ALL of my previous
posts obsolete as a result. BUMMER!!!!

Today I did find the solid iron material and close enough to the same dimensions as their original to make it usable.
Will take until the 19th PLUS shipping time to get it to me. Then I will
have to remove the center area for wind purposes but already know how to do that - no problem.

It's aggravating that I didn't catch that way back when but again their wording was very misleading without the background of their research.
Not making excuse - just trying to move forward.
Will let you know how things go as time moves on.

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wantomake,

Realizing all the FLUBBER I had made from the beginning of time and concerning the info I sent you by last E (hope you got it and read it) I have been trying to find the core material for the correction build since their supposed toroid never was a transformer of any kind to start with.

Today I did find the solid iron material and close enough to the same dimensions as their original to make it usable.
Will take until the 19th PLUS shipping time to get it to me. Then I will
have to remove the center area for wind purposes but already know how to do that - no problem.

It's aggravating that I didn't catch that way back when but again their wording was very misleading without the background of their research.
Not making excuse - just trying to move forward.
Will let you know how things go as time moves on.

Thanks,

Clarence
Clarence,
I did get your E and responded. From the pictures you posted, #1326 last pic on right, the core looks similar to a ac motor core of some type thats been hand wound . I've seen the iron laminated cores for sale also. I'm thinking on winding an old stator I have sitting with no wire on it.

But working part time job today so will take me couple days. If I can find the shop, grass is turning into jungle.
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Clarence,
I did get your E and responded. From the pictures you posted, #1326 last pic on right, the core looks similar to a ac motor core of some type thats been hand wound . I've seen the iron laminated cores for sale also. I'm thinking on winding an old stator I have sitting with no wire on it.

But working part time job today so will take me couple days. If I can find the shop, grass is turning into jungle.
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Wantomake,

Will send more info on core to you right now!
Laminated won't get it - theirs wasn't
so I won't.

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Will send more info on core to you right now!
Laminated won't get it - theirs wasn't
so I won't.

Clarence
Clarence,
Is it the solid iron core ? Don't mean to be such a dummy. I'll look around more for one. I'm working and trying to focus on this new find of yours at same time. Lol.

Thanks for your patience,
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Hope the answer is there because I was using almost the same electric stator motor from the picture from the beginning whiteout good result.
Hello fer,

There are two UHOH!'s here.

Found out the supposed to be Primary/Secondary transformer was not a transformer at all! NEVER.

Their DIY was not used as a transformer but a PMH devise. IMHO!

A transformer needs CONSTANT POWER!

Their DIY only required a one time MOMENTARY initial input! Then self contained.

A PMH devise only requires a one time MOMENTARY initial input. Then
self contained.

Both seem samey-samey to me. INMHO!

Blows the hell out of using Primary/Secondary transformers wouldn't you say?

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Is it the solid iron core ? Don't mean to be such a dummy. I'll look around more for one. I'm working and trying to focus on this new find of yours at same time. Lol.

Thanks for your patience,
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YES Wantomake - solid metal ---no lamination.
I'm speaking about the solid metal round piece of metal
I am ordering from the metal distributor!
5.5" round 1.5 " thick cold finished metal.
as you see you can get a 5.5" round cold rolled piece
as long as 18 inches.
WAY TO LONG!

Only need the 1.5" thick ROUND slice of that rod!
They have many other shapes but this is the one to deal with.

Hope this clarifies !

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Clarence,
Ok. Yes it does. So I've been thinking of my options to find something that will work. But solid iron nothing different. I want to replicate as close to your specs as possible. Ordering some magnetic wire also.

My uncle and sons has a local scrap business, so may look there. Online has many fabricating shops. There are two good ones locally.

Until my parts arrive or fabricated, I'll be building a smaller version of what we discussed by E.

Will update here and by E as it happens.
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Ok. Yes it does. So I've been thinking of my options to find something that will work. But solid iron nothing different. I want to replicate as close to your specs as possible. Ordering some magnetic wire also.

My uncle and sons has a local scrap business, so may look there. Online has many fabricating shops. There are two good ones locally.

Until my parts arrive or fabricated, I'll be building a smaller version of what we discussed by E.

Will update here and by E as it happens.
wantomake
Wantomake,

Sounds good to me!.
We'll be hitting it from both ends.
My core metal won't be leaving to me
till the 19th + few days for arrival.
So thumb rotation till then.

Thanks - I'll stay tuned.

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Hello Clarence, wow wow wow, this is totally different, we are playing with magnetism and solid core is very different( found in nature, not lamination core). After reading your post is easy for me to say the something was not right with the core, I was looking from old post and the excuse barbosa gave to ariovaldo is the core inductance should be .06H-.08H 660 t 20 AWG, I tried to achieved it with the same stator core and never achieved because the holes in the core, I was thinking maybe is not the core, after review a old video from nenad savic he say it works but the core look different, and his core look like 24 groups of winding X maybe 27.5 t you will have the 660 t, I dont know if have something with Tesla 369 multiplication? anyway only test will tell, i am convince the system works and after years eventually we will find it.
Hello fer123

We will find it - yes.
Just takes the time as all things do.Just stay tuned till
close to end of April and see what happens.

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Wantomake,

Sounds good to me!.
We'll be hitting it from both ends.
My core metal won't be leaving to me
till the 19th + few days for arrival.
Wantomake,

The Iron piece came in this PM.
Tomorrow may have some time to work towards
removing the center area metal.
When that is removed then I will dress and smooth it all
and make it ready for the winds.
Don't know how long that will take - probably 1 1/2 to 2 weeks
as it is tedious and time consuming.
When get close to time to measure mh on the full winds then
will talk again.

Till then,

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The Iron piece came in this PM.
Tomorrow may have some time to work towards
removing the center area metal.
When that is removed then I will dress and smooth it all
and make it ready for the winds.
Don't know how long that will take - probably 1 1/2 to 2 weeks
as it is tedious and time consuming.
When get close to time to measure mh on the full winds then
will talk again.

Till then,

Clarence
Clarence,
Good. I've had many things get in the way these past two weeks. Like this crazy weather, I hope to get it clears today.

Your iron core came in. That's my goal today if possible. Need to head to the fabricator there in town. At lest get a quote. Also still hoping to get a start on the "other" project we discussed.

Well the sun is peeking through and need to warm up my coffee. Thanks as always for the update. Need more than coffee sometimes to kick my ole "free energy" thoughts into gear.

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Clarence,
Good. I've had many things get in the way these past two weeks. Like this crazy weather, I hope to get it clears today.

Your iron core came in. That's my goal today if possible. Need to head to the fabricator there in town. At lest get a quote. Also still hoping to get a start on the "other" project we discussed.

Well the sun is peeking through and need to warm up my coffee. Thanks as always for the update. Need more than coffee sometimes to kick my ole "free energy" thoughts into gear.

wantomake
Wantomake,

Gotcha! Heading to the shop myself in a few mins to start slow drilling the center out. Maybe it won't take all day.
The new round piece weighed 10 lbs !
Will weigh the new drilled piece again before adding winds and also after winds.

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Wantomake,

Gotcha! Heading to the shop myself in a few mins to start slow drilling the center out. Maybe it won't take all day.
The new round piece weighed 10 lbs !
Will weigh the new drilled piece again before adding winds and also after winds.

Later,

Clarence
Wantomake,

Forgot to mention the E material!
Worked with it a little and it will pullout
and draw through a lot easier than I thought.
However will be days before I get to any of that.
Just to let know!

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Clarence,
Good. I've had many things get in the way these past two weeks. Like this crazy weather, I hope to get it clears today.

Your iron core came in. That's my goal today if possible. Need to head to the fabricator there in town. At lest get a quote. Also still hoping to get a start on the "other" project we discussed.

Well the sun is peeking through and need to warm up my coffee. Thanks as always for the update. Need more than coffee sometimes to kick my ole "free energy" thoughts into gear.

wantomake
Wantomake,

Back from shop - metal hole saw won't do - no way!
laying out marks for chain drilling - now ten forevers of time consumption
starts.
If you can get yours made with center removed - DO IT !

Later

Clarence
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Clarence,
Very hard to get any milling/fabricating done here I guess being it's not a big enough profit for them. Still waiting for call from local company. Too late now though.

With all the time and resources (we) I spent on this replication, a want to satisfy curiosity is my reason to finish this.

Still testing smaller sizes of the "other" project. Very amazed to see results thus far. But that's for another thread if you decide to or not.

Maybe we should've ask these guys if anyone has a metal lathe and give us a qoute.

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