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God Bless you Minsky

With all due respect I think Clarence is willy to help people do his setup but 101 other experiments are all up to us.

Clarence wants to help people get his system working first, thats it, the rest is up to us.
Bless you too BroMikey,
Thanks for your efforts to bring this knowledge out into the world with your cohesive circuit schematics. It might be a first small step but this could easily be the biggest advancement in science of the 21st century.

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Actually there is no reason to pay any attention to anything Bro. Mikey posts. He didn't start this thread and he hasn't built the device under question. His only real skill (if you want to call it a skill) is to insult people. I have realized over the years that when someone has to turn to insulting a person for asking questions it is almost always because they don't have any answers and try to chase you away with insults so you will quit asking questions they can't answer. They are not man enough to admit they may not know.

Please just continue with your analysis. I think you are pretty well on the mark as to what is actually going on.

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PS: Bro Mikey was right about one thing. He said your posts might look intelligent to some people. He is correct. Your post look intelligent to those of us that have actually made a living working in electronics and really understand what is going on. Thank you for your posts.
You are right, its just not productive arguing with him. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I will make use of that ignore list...
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Awesome Turion

I am reading it now as it is more related info to the project. You are always so right on

Food for the hungry.

Thanks again and I look forward to talking more about your new build as well.

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You are right, its just not productive arguing with him. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I will make use of that ignore list...

Ya think? Especially when you ignore the key person replicating, by all means.



Better ad Clarence too because he will never answer your non-sense save it 4 yer minion/kronies
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Better ad Clarence too because he will never answer your non-sense save it 4 yer minion/kronies
Clarence has already made it pretty clear what he wants us to do and that he is not willing to help any further than that so I really have nothing more to ask him until I have built the device. He is all grown up and can probably decide for himself at that point.

I am new to this thread and have no "kronies" here. Please stop this childish game of yours and lets focus on getting some results?
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Here again is a perfect example of people not listening. Analyzing and asking questions belligerently are two different things. First you attack and then when someone puts you in you place you cry like children "HE"S HURTING ME"

Like Clarence had stated before some of you act like kindergarteners.

Next you and your buddies will continue your whinning, petting each other
crying on one anothers shoulder mikey hurt me did you see that? Like two year olds.

mikey hurt my feelings and I don't want to play with him anymore, I.m gonna tell my mommy and friends mikey is a bad boy.

Yup kindergarteners.Of course you will poop your pants next.

Real men huh?
Really? Are you forgetting the fact that my 'analysis' pointed out that your schematics were wrong? You never admitted it to me but you did end up correcting it... How is that not productive?
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Really? Are you forgetting the fact that my 'analysis' pointed out that your schematics were wrong? You never admitted it to me but you did end up correcting it... How is that not productive?














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Thanks for the link to the Matchett info. It was interesting. I read all of that and then the link to the Barbosa and Leal device. I found some interesting information. In the Matchett device there is only ONE connection to earth ground. His description explains that only one is needed. It may be an array of rods but only one connection is needed to let the excess electrons flow into the circuit.

And when I studied the B&L patents guess what. There is only ONE connection to earth ground. Again it might be an array of ground rods but only ONE connection to ground. In addition I saw there is NO connection from the captor to the rest of the circuit. The captor is only wound around the loop wire and not connected to anything else.

So it appears the device built by Clarence is not the device built by B&L and patented by them. They also clearly state in their patent that once the system is started you can turn off the inverter. And then the system would be totally self powering. They also claim you only need a small inverter to get the system started as the return power is about 100 times the input. That does not sound at all like the system Clarence has built.

The system Clarence has built is allowing him to send power from the inverter through the ground and to the captor wire and then on to the load. That is why he needs such a big inverter. It is supplying all the power to run his load. He needs so many ground rods in order to overcome the resistance of the earth connections. He can add all the ground rods he wants but he is never going to get the return from ground to be any greater than what he puts into the ground.

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Hello Turion. I looked at the schematics. The brass rod and coil wound over it are forming a capacitor. He is powering from the mains from the hot wire to ground. That is a simple ground loop. A ground loop is not free energy. The power is coming from the mains.
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if I am well following you and after reading 1,372,658 patent there would be some efficiency imperative to finetune the ground grid by adding for example a suitable serial capacitance on the load ground in order to resonate with the 50/60 hz captor loop operating frequency and by then maximizing the ground energy transfer . Am I right ?

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Try patent 3,246,219 ferroresonant devices. If you have a function generator, a coil on a ferrite core and cap handy - calculate the resonance of the pair. Set the function generator to something other than resonance then use a pair of magnets to saturate the core. When the core is saturated to a point the induction is changed enough to set the LC into resonance will not only rise quickly it actually jumps to very high voltage levels and high current will flow through the LC.
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And when I studied the B&L patents guess what. There is only ONE connection to earth ground. Again it might be an array of ground rods but only ONE connection to ground. In addition I saw there is NO connection from the captor to the rest of the circuit. The captor is only wound around the loop wire and not connected to anything else.

So it appears the device built by Clarence is not the device built by B&L and patented by them. They also clearly state in their patent that once the system is started you can turn off the inverter. And then the system would be totally self powering. They also claim you only need a small inverter to get the system started as the return power is about 100 times the input. That does not sound at all like the system Clarence has built.

The system Clarence has built is allowing him to send power from the inverter through the ground and to the captor wire and then on to the load. That is why he needs such a big inverter. It is supplying all the power to run his load. He needs so many ground rods in order to overcome the resistance of the earth connections. He can add all the ground rods he wants but he is never going to get the return from ground to be any greater than what he puts into the ground.
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Hello citfta. I had already pointed out to Clarence in this thread that the Barbosa and Leal patent does not show the neutral being grounded with another separate ground connection like that. Clarence replied that he was intentionally making it a SWER (single wire earth return) setup, as that is the only way he could get his setup to 'work'. It is obvious that Clarence does not have a technical background, and therefore what he may think is 'working' appears to be just the battery powering the system through the inverter. His battery starts to run down after running a load for a little while, and then he has to recharge the battery by plugging the battery charger into the mains. I have been holding off completely ruling out something out of the ordinary going on in Clarence's setup on the off chance that the 'captor loop' part might actually be adding something to the performance, but with Clarence pretty much refusing to do any meaningful analysis of how his setup is performing, we just can't say for certain.

We could have easily sorted this all out very quickly if Clarence had been open to doing some very basic tests regarding how his setup performs under a few different conditions, but it appears that this is something that Clarence was afraid of finding out. It seems he may have wanted to just blindly believe that his setup is over unity, and therefore wanted nothing to do with any testing that might show otherwise. The only other explanation I can think of for Clarence's behavior in this regard is that Clarence knew his setup was not working, but he believed he might be close but thought that the problem was with the earth ground not being suitable in his area. By claiming that his setup was 'working' and encouraging people to replicate, he may have been hoping that someone might get it working and show to Clarence that the problem with his own setup was with the earth ground in his area. However, I don't think it is likely that is what the problem is with Clarence's setup. I think that if Barbosa and Leal's devices really can self run, then there may be one or more things that they have hidden or misdirected in their patent documents that replicators are still missing. There is of course also the possibility that their devices just don't work at all, but I am still not jumping to any conclusions myself about that yet.
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I missed where you posted that info about the ground connections. Sorry about that. It has been hard to keep up with a logical discussion in this thread with all the useless babble that is constantly interjected by those that want to confuse instead of seeking the truth. Thanks for your efforts to get to the bottom of what is really going on.

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I missed where you posted that info about the ground connections. Sorry about that. It has been hard to keep up with a logical discussion in this thread with all the useless babble that is constantly interjected by those that want to confuse instead of seeking the truth. Thanks for your efforts to get to the bottom of what is really going on.

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Hello citfta. Nothing to apologize for. I just wanted to point out that Clarence is aware that his setup doesn't match the patent diagrams in regards to his extra ground connection on the neutral, and Clarence seems to think that this is better.
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ferroresonance and a Jump phenomena ..

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you shared a very interesting patent exploring a "jump phenomena "
Patent US3246219 - Ferroresonant devices - Google Patents

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If you have a function generator, a coil on a ferrite core and cap handy - calculate the resonance of the pair. Set the function generator to something other than resonance then use a pair of magnets to saturate the core. When the core is saturated to a point the induction is changed enough to set the LC into resonance will not only rise quickly it actually jumps to very high voltage levels and high current will flow through the LC.
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Have you done any definitive testing on this Jump phenomena ??
or incorporated this into an "energy from the ground"array ?

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Hello Turion. I looked at the schematics. The brass rod and coil wound over it are forming a capacitor. He is powering from the mains from the hot wire to ground. That is a simple ground loop. A ground loop is not free energy. The power is coming from the mains.
Would you like to tell us where the connection to mains is made please.
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Hello a.king21. I have seen Lorrie Matchett's couple of videos on this a few years ago and I remember he mentioned that this works from the 'house wiring'. In his other video he mentions that he was measuring current 'from the grid'. Based on this and from looking at his schematic I realized right away back then that what he was doing should be a ground loop in the mains.

If you look at his video description section for the following video of his, he mentions the following:
"It allows you to extract free electricity from your housing wiring, enough to power a string of 30-blue led mini lights and more..."
Free Energy " One of a Kind Device " - YouTube

If someone can get his setup to work with a battery and inverter and a connection to earth ground, then that would be something worth looking into further, but by Mr. Matchett's own description he was using the house wiring, AKA the grid, AKA the mains.
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"Ramset - Have you done any definitive testing on this Jump phenomena ??
or incorporated this into an "energy from the ground"array ?"


Yes I have, bluntly speaking, I have no intention of sharing that data or my work in this area at this point in time. I laid out the information for others to investigate its potential, nothing more. In relation to the B&L device think of it as a modulator - instead of a magnet your using current (electromagnet) to alter inductance. That loop to ground , assuming its around 30pf, represents approx Xc= 88 meg ohm at 60 hz. At resonance it is zero. If it passes through resonance, as an example, 120 times per second (full cycle) there is a hard pulse sent into the ground allowing current to return through the same link causing huge shifts.

What would happen if there was an exchange of electrons through the ground loop from the current loop in clarences schematic? A shorted inverter...

The way I interpret this device's function is to send the Line voltage into the current loop then the same line on exit is "mixed" with voltage and its amplified current. So my question would be how do you phase mix the high current in the loop with the voltage/current input from the inverter. Leaving only the ground loop as the solution to phasing.
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I'll post something I posted to another forum dealing with the B&L apparatus. It's a response to someone looking for a translation to a Spanish language video claiming to reproduce the B&L setup:
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hi guys .. Spanish isn't my language ( a little Spanish and basic French) but this looks VERY interesting, was sent to me by a friend in Brazil .. all you Spanish speakers this is your chance to shine .. good luck with the translation .. skribat
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Only had time to watch the first video (over lunch at work).
He's basically saying that the B&L schematic people have been working with are not producing the desired effects. He then shows another schematic that doesn't produce the effect either. Then, he shows one that does seem to produce abundant amps from the ground, starting around 7:20.

Here's what he says at 18:15:
"I believe B&L haven't told us the whole truth. If we input direct current without this capacitor (see right side of diagram), there is no substantial raising of current. To capture the electrons from the ground, there needs to be a means that permits, by induction, for them to be generated. And this instrument (means of induction) is still the capacitor, one of the great protagonists of electricity and electronics."

Note, the negative input remains hanging or "in the air" as he says. He's showing 115V, 0.0-1.0A in, and at each winding of his transformer, he's getting around 168 amps. That's a lot of juice. The mains amperage draw continues to be around 1A even as he's running lights and some other gizmo (didn't catch what it was) off the output. It would seem the extra electrical charge is coming from the ground.
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I'll post something I posted to another forum dealing with the B&L apparatus. It's a response to someone looking for a translation to a Spanish language video claiming to reproduce the B&L setup:
Hello Bob Smith. I have watched Hibridor's videos before and he also seems to be using the mains hot wire to go to earth ground through the load, which would probably be a ground loop. He should be testing with an inverter and battery.
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Hello a.king21. I have seen Lorrie Matchett's couple of videos on this a few years ago and I remember he mentioned that this works from the 'house wiring'. In his other video he mentions that he was measuring current 'from the grid'. Based on this and from looking at his schematic I realized right away back then that what he was doing should be a ground loop in the mains.

If you look at his video description section for the following video of his, he mentions the following:
"It allows you to extract free electricity from your housing wiring, enough to power a string of 30-blue led mini lights and more..."
Free Energy " One of a Kind Device " - YouTube

If someone can get his setup to work with a battery and inverter and a connection to earth ground, then that would be something worth looking into further, but by Mr. Matchett's own description he was using the house wiring, AKA the grid, AKA the mains.
There is no connection to the mains.
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I don't know what you are looking at, but I explained it clearly enough. He said in his own video Description section comments that he was connecting to the house wiring/grid, as I mentioned. Mr. Matchett also added comments to his two videos to hold off on building his setup as he wasn't so sure any more about his free energy claims. Why not take a look at his own videos and comments? I posted the link. Then you can see what Mr. Matchett actually said himself. Someone must have explained to him about the ground loop problem when connecting to the mains, so he posted an update to his video descriptions about not building his setup. If you have some valid reason for thinking otherwise, state your reasons, but please watch mr. Matchett's videos first and read his video description comments and all should be clear.

Edit: Are you sure you are talking about the same device and schematics I am talking about? It should be clear from my comments which one I am talking about however...

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GENERATOR CAPTURE EARTH ELECTRONS

Equipment electromagnetic generator that captures electrons Earth

It is an electromagnetic device that depending on how the connection to be connected to the grounding grid becomes free to move and capture particles energy to perform work instantly via electromagnetism. The sensor requires only a small initial force energy continually being supplied by an external power source , which can be provided by the local power utility . With this small amount of electricity consumed the sensor generates a large electromotive power . Depending on your constructive manner , the sensor can generate a power thousands of times greater than the energy that was consumed to perform the work performed and generated by the sensor , this energy that returns to the generating source ( Earth) . Use : Industrial , Commercial , Residential .

SELF-POWERED SYSTEM FOR ELECTRICITY GENERATION

Electromagnetic equipment that generates electrical energy in a closed loop between themselves .

It is a mobile or landline that instantly captures electrons through the compo electromagnetism, requiring only a small initial force energy, for a few seconds. Thus is reached closing the loop using the electromagnetic force present in the universe .

The system comprises rectifier ( AC / DC converter ), battery bank , inverter ( DC / AC ), and the captors of electrons in the headspace or electron captors land

Being a compact and mobile system that can be designed to provide electricity to low, medium or high power at any voltage and frequency.









The invention relates to a device that comprises at least three sets (A, B, C, D) of at least one device for generating an electromagnetic field (3) and (4), powered by an electricity source - without a core or with at least one core - the cores thereof or any extension thereof, preferably the windings or sets of windings thereof, being surrounded by at least a single conductive element forming a polarized and energized closed-circuit with itself (5), said sets of electromagnetic-field generating devices (3) and (4) being linked together by the opposing poles thereof to encourage the interaction of the electromagnetic fields thereof, which are preferably allocated between two hollow metal half-spheres (1) so as to concentrate and enhance the electromagnetic fields thereof, these interconnections causing, as a novel technical effect, the emergence of an electrical current that circulates, with or without voltage, in the conductive element forming a closed-circuit with itself (5) - point of the connections of the external loads - even if no load is placed thereon.
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I understand...

This Ferro resonance has been actively investigated for quite some time [as it applies to NMR],your observations and insights are greatly appreciated.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyZ...ature=youtu.be

is the one I'm talking about.
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Ok, I have already commented on that video, but anyway,
this is the original copy of that video posted by Lorrie Matchett:
Free Energy Device ( the 3rd generation ) - YouTube

It is hard to follow what he is doing because he didn't show a connection diagram, but from what I can gather the board with the plugs on it is powered 'from the grid', i.e. it is plugged into a wall socket, off camera.

This is what I get from the video:
He first plugs in the little night light bulb into an AC plug on his board and measures the grid current as around thirty something milliamps.
He then plugs in the LED string into the other plug, and the current goes a little over forty milliamps.
He then unplugs the LED string and plugs the LED string into the output of his device, and then plugs his device into a plug on the board.
He shows that the grid current doesn't increase in his measurement. It is not clear which wire he is measuring the 'grid current' on, but I guess it was the hot wire.
The caption on the video reads:
"CURRENT DRAW ( from the grid ) Zero..."
It seems to me he wouldn't specifically say in the video that he is measuring the current "from the grid", if he wasn't plugged into the grid, AKA the mains power.
In the end of the video he has disconnected the multimeter from his little AC power board, which opens the circuit on the power board, and has connected to the output of his device to measure the DC output volts of his device.
He plugs his device into a wall socket because the board with the plugs on it has an open circuit due to the multimeter being disconnected from it.

That is how it appears to me in the video anyway, as best as I can tell. He could be powering from an inverter, but he did mention in his video caption that he was measuring the current "from the grid", so that is why I think that is what he was probably doing, but I have already explained this previously when I pointed out that he specifically mentions 'the grid'.

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Ok, I have already commented on that video, but anyway,
this is the original copy of that video posted by Lorrie Matchett:
Free Energy Device ( the 3rd generation ) - YouTube

It is hard to follow what he is doing because he didn't show a connection diagram, but from what I can gather the board with the plugs on it is powered 'from the grid', i.e. it is plugged into a wall socket, off camera.

This is what I get from the video:
He first plugs in the little night light bulb into an AC plug on his board and measures the grid current as around thirty something milliamps.
He then plugs in the LED string into the other plug, and the current goes a little over forty milliamps.
He then unplugs the LED string and plugs the LED string into the output of his device, and then plugs his device into a plug on the board.
He shows that the grid current doesn't increase in his measurement. It is not clear which wire he is measuring the 'grid current' on, but I guess it was the hot wire.
The caption on the video reads:
"CURRENT DRAW ( from the grid ) Zero..."
It seems to me he wouldn't specifically say in the video that he is measuring the current "from the grid", if he wasn't plugged into the grid, AKA the mains power.
In the end of the video he has disconnected the multimeter from his little AC power board, which opens the circuit on the power board, and has connected to the output of his device to measure the DC output volts of his device.
He plugs his device into a wall socket because the board with the plugs on it has an open circuit due to the multimeter being disconnected from it.

That is how it appears to me in the video anyway, as best as I can tell. He could be powering from an inverter, but he did mention in his video caption that he was measuring the current "from the grid", so that is why I think that is what he was probably doing, but I have already explained this previously when I pointed out that he specifically mentions 'the grid'.

If you read Patrick Kelly's pdf, he explains it in detail there. It is not connected to the grid. It uses the principle of electrostatic induction.
He mentions the grid to emphasise that the grid is used as a dipole only.
No electromagnetic induction, no direct connection to a hot or neutral at all.
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The rods

How many rods does it take?
Whats the optimum spacing?
I could never get the rods to add together, they put out ~ the same amount.
I never put juice into the rods ,I just collect off them. But its' miniscule.
Does putting a certian amount in give more out?
If Clarences' system works ,To me it's just a matter of turning the lines of induction 90 deg. to the primary input.
Input north & south take off east & west??
Is that even close?
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If you read Patrick Kelly's pdf, he explains it in detail there. It is not connected to the grid. It uses the principle of electrostatic induction.
He mentions the grid to emphasise that the grid is used as a dipole only.
No electromagnetic induction, no direct connection to a hot or neutral at all.
I will trust more what is shown and explained in Matchett's own video. Patrick Kelly may have misunderstood if that is what he said. My guess is you won't see the same results if you use a battery and inverter. I could be wrong. Back to Barbosa and Leal.
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