Energetic Forum  
Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest LinkedIn Delicious Digg Reddit WordPress StumbleUpon Tumblr Translate Addthis Aaron Murakami YouTube 2020 ENERGY CONFERENCE - PRE-REGISTER NOW!!!!

2020 Energy Science & Technology Conference
PRE-REGISTER NOW!!!
http://energyscienceconference.com


Go Back   Energetic Forum > >
   

Renewable Energy Discussion on various alternative energy, renewable energy, & free energy technologies. Also any discussion about the environment, global warming, and other related topics are welcome here.

* NEW * BEDINI RPX BOOK & DVD SET: BEDINI RPX

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 02-22-2015, 08:40 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Mikey's Beast SSSG OSCILLATOR

Greetings to everyone.

This is Michael Rowland in Central Kansas

I am creating this page to share with the beginners some of the basic things I have learned the last 2-3 years from John Bedini. John has built oscillator circuits ever since he can remember and has helped some of the underclassmen, such as myself, to gain a foot hold on radiant technology.

We all love you John B.

Okay let's get down to business starting with my basic design that originally came about because of Patrick (Minoly) and lasersabers image. I had tried the cap for the trigger but it didn't work everytime on my big beast circuit but the tiny wire did work with a cap for triggering.

Anyway let me post my web page. I have it somewhere else on this site but it is lost even from me so I am making this post to compile all of the data so I can look back on it myself.

BroMikey's Science Projects






This was my starting point and then I burned everything up several times because I had bad batteries, the wires slipped off the terminals, diodes under rated, turning it up to high, poor heat sinks, no fan for running more power, stuff like that.

So I am putting a voltage limiting circuit on the base of the main trigger. Look at this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjVHNaPZEwE
__________________
 

Last edited by BroMikey; 02-26-2015 at 08:14 AM.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

Download SOLAR SECRETS by Peter Lindemann
Free - Get it now: Solar Secrets

  #2  
Old 02-22-2015, 09:32 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Rebuilding the SSSG Bedini Oscillator

Okay here is what I have been using for a 12vdc battery. Transistor mjl21194



12vdc input or a 24vdc input but don't try to run a higher voltage output unless you you call 50-60 voltages high voltage. Oh you can run it to 80volt but make no mistake, your days are numbered and up in smoke it will soon go.

To make it more durable I thought I'll use Mosfet's right? Like these.



Wrong again I had 12 of them all soldered in and took them off my sinks and am saving them for other projects. Here are the right parts for my new upgrade. MJL4281a 350 volt parts not 200volts same amps



These parts can handle a higher output voltage. According to industrial standards if you want your circuits to last for ever, you need to run this part for a 90-100vdc output. Unless you want to spend your days rebuilding it everytime you turn around.

Oops there it goes again up in smoke. Go for it, not me.

I decided to stay away from the mosfets to keep it simple, easy to trouble shoot, no fet drivers and so on. The thing is when you do an Energizer with circuits controlling the fets it makes the oscillator less versatile.

What I mean is if you do it this way you can charge anything by using any input voltage and the circuit will follow the input voltage down without falling flat at lower levels. Then mosfet driven circuits almost need a program board to change output voltages for charging 24-36vdc banks.

The IRFP250's are tiny compared to an high powered audio NPN transistor and physically larger by twice for the same power handling. I am looking at durability and longevity, something I can not damage even if I beat and max it.

Heat sinks and fans help with higher powered systems. Also the diodes I had in there were far to small and far to slow. The diodes were getting hot and I didn't realize it till I smoked the machine a few times. Neons need a 4000-5000 ohm resistor in series, but I had none. Kiss it all goodbye.

Up in smoke, there it goes again, no biggy I have all day.NOT!! I work for a living gent's.

Here are my new diodes 30EPF12 IR DIODE FAST REC 1200V 30A TO247AC



Here are my old ones



I want more output than 12 watts so i am upgrading.
__________________
 

Last edited by BroMikey; 02-22-2015 at 09:44 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-23-2015, 05:21 PM
Hitby13kw's Avatar
Hitby13kw Hitby13kw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 154
This webpage is not available

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroMikey View Post
@BroMikey - as always intrigued with what you have shown, but I'm sad The above link needs help

Hitby13kw
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-23-2015, 10:00 PM
Hitby13kw's Avatar
Hitby13kw Hitby13kw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 154
Can you try this ?

Bro, That looks like a monster beast, when you rebuild, In addition to your voltage limiting circuit, could we ask you to try adding another diode to the base of each transistor, believe it will improve your performance.

Something like this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9brftimra...beast.jpg?dl=0

Just a thought, try it and let us know.

Hitby13kw
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-24-2015, 06:32 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Diodes in the base

You know I did that and forgot to add it into the picture. I modified that circuit over time and yes the diode is referred to as "Positive Triggering" My first crystal oscillator in the mid 60's had that diode too. We use to sit up when mom went to bed and wind coils connecting them to our cats whisker. I also use 4000-5000 ohm resistors in series with my neons but it is not in the picture. Mainly because I put two 12vdc batteries on the input sometimes. I have built 6 or 8 of those machines.

One of my smaller ones has 3 led's in series on the base.

Our flashlight let us work on it under the covers while Mom checked in on us to see if we were sleeping yet and as soon as she got quiet, we got up

No battery, yet we could hear eveything all around the world. I knew then free energy would one day be mine to a greater degree than the simple radio set. We got a color TV about then.

Also I have been thinking about switching more components in and out for further testing, like a tiny light bulb.

I wonder what the reasoning is behind having this style of twisted coil? What is it about these coils that is the focus on having one. Why and how is it special in someway from other coils. Does it produce anything new?

I know it is a boost circuit using this coil but that is not the same thing, I think it is more.

Mikey



Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitby13kw View Post
Bro, That looks like a monster beast, when you rebuild, In addition to your voltage limiting circuit, could we ask you to try adding another diode to the base of each transistor, believe it will improve your performance.

Something like this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9brftimra...beast.jpg?dl=0

Just a thought, try it and let us know.

Hitby13kw
__________________
 

Last edited by BroMikey; 02-24-2015 at 06:42 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-24-2015, 08:26 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
WebSite

Try this link

BroMikey's Science Projects



Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitby13kw View Post
@BroMikey - as always intrigued with what you have shown, but I'm sad The above link needs help

Hitby13kw
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-26-2015, 08:25 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Mikey's Beast Osc Update 1 of 2



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOGqbIh56l4


Here I show you my rebuilding efforts concerning the Bedini SSSG. That is S=solid S=state SG=schoolGirl Oscillator ciruit. In this video I use the same 14 awg coil having 4 power channels and one 20 awg trigger wire. The way I figure it is, why build a huge wheel and 10 coil unit if I can't make this single pole work.

Therefore since I want a wider range of battery charging capability I am seeing to it that my selected devices can handle 60-90vdc outputs.






__________________
 

Last edited by BroMikey; 02-26-2015 at 08:35 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-26-2015, 08:28 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Mikey's Beast Osc Update 2 of 2



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5P0VgCyn4Q


Part 2 is the continuation on several cap dumps I operate daily as well as the use of a John Bedini style oscillator to charge the cap bank. In this update I show larger diodes, higher powered transistors MJL4281A devices NPN 350 volt and this allows for an input above 12vdc.

You may use lower voltage devices such as 200 volt MJL21194 but any voltage over 50-60 voltages might shorten the life of your machine. Another consideration is when batteries are shorted/bad devices boarding the voltage ceiling can go up in smoke fast.






__________________
 

Last edited by BroMikey; 02-26-2015 at 08:33 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-26-2015, 06:55 PM
genessc's Avatar
genessc genessc is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 210
The bedini style 1:1:1 coil is unique in that inductance does add when put in parallel. When you put multiple strands of same guage wire on a bobbin and wind them up to the same length you end up with a 1:1 transformer.

Unlike a pair of 1000uF capacitors put in parallel which yeilds 2000uF at the max volt rating of the capacitors, if you cowind 2 18awg strands that are 100ft long onto the same bobbin you end up with the first strands measured inductance being the SAME as the second strands inductance value.

Thus when you put strand 1 and strand 2 in parallel you might think that the measured value, which I'll call 100mH just to name a value, would double or add like it does in capacities.

It does Not.

The two strands wired in parallel will still produce a measurement of the original 100mH value.

Bedini seems to take advantage of this affectation which shows that you can have a multistrand bobbin that when all strands are Off and not conducting, each strand will have a specific inductance and specific resistant and capacitance. When the strands are all conducting at the same time, the inductance doesn't change. However the RESISTANCE is divided by the total number of strands presently cowound on the bobbin.

Its sorta like having a big tank of water with a hole at the bottom thats really big and normally closed/off. When the switches conduct the tanks big hole opens up allowing an instant Large flow of the total current to be carried by the parallel cowound strands... but with bedinis single transistor per strand configuration, when this gets closed or shutoff, all that instant current wants to keep flowing and thats how the bedini master/slave circuit charges up coil banks... I usually call that diode just at the collector that goes to the collector capacity the compression diode.

Anyways this is what I've come to understand from a decade of building and observing this sort of system... from multiple inventors... bedini was one of the few that delivered on their claims with the circuits shared.

Cheers,
Gene

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroMikey View Post
You know I did that and forgot to add it into the picture. I modified that circuit over time and yes the diode is referred to as "Positive Triggering" My first crystal oscillator in the mid 60's had that diode too. We use to sit up when mom went to bed and wind coils connecting them to our cats whisker. I also use 4000-5000 ohm resistors in series with my neons but it is not in the picture. Mainly because I put two 12vdc batteries on the input sometimes. I have built 6 or 8 of those machines.

One of my smaller ones has 3 led's in series on the base.

Our flashlight let us work on it under the covers while Mom checked in on us to see if we were sleeping yet and as soon as she got quiet, we got up

No battery, yet we could hear eveything all around the world. I knew then free energy would one day be mine to a greater degree than the simple radio set. We got a color TV about then.

Also I have been thinking about switching more components in and out for further testing, like a tiny light bulb.

I wonder what the reasoning is behind having this style of twisted coil? What is it about these coils that is the focus on having one. Why and how is it special in someway from other coils. Does it produce anything new?

I know it is a boost circuit using this coil but that is not the same thing, I think it is more.

Mikey
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-26-2015, 08:17 PM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Thank you for this writing. I have never heard this before and makes good sense. One strand is triggered and 3 strands are slaved with my 4 strand twisted wind.

Yet you say "COIL BANKS" are charged adjacent to the Master? Sounds like you are saying my 4 strand represents the master and I need more 4 strand coils to collect more energy passed on by the master.

Yet all strands must receive the same amount of 12vdc power, so I wonder how this array will offer extra. All I could think of was that the stray magnetic field/energy in the coil will transfer to another pole.

You see we are now talking about OU in Bedini systems but this discussion only centers around improved efficiencies, because John finally released his secret for the BIG MACHINE in Part 22 of his series.

John stated that "we" (meaning replicators of the SSG) were not getting what he was getting due to the fact that John uses HOWARD JOHNSON magnetic gate technology to get the multiple COP increases.

Did you see this PART 22 conference? It was in NOV 2010 on Beardons 80'th birthday. John shows a 16 magnetic poles having convex surfaces and other gate material behind it. It reached to the ceiling some 14-16 feet high.

He had 2 or 3 staggered coil/poles at the bottom.

Do you know about this revelation from PART 22?

You are a very knowledgeable observer. I have never heard your line of reasoning. Good stuff.

Mike



Quote:
Originally Posted by genessc View Post
The bedini style 1:1:1 coil is unique in that inductance does add when put in parallel. .................................................. ...................


Its sorta like having a big tank of water with a hole at the bottom thats really big and normally closed/off. When the switches conduct the tanks big hole opens up allowing an instant Large flow of the total current to be carried by the parallel cowound strands... but with bedinis single transistor per strand configuration, when this gets closed or shutoff, all that instant current wants to keep flowing and thats how the bedini master/slave circuit charges up coil banks... I usually call that diode just at the collector that goes to the collector capacity the compression diode.

Anyways this is what I've come to understand from a decade of building and observing this sort of system... from multiple inventors... bedini was one of the few that delivered on their claims with the circuits shared.

Cheers,
Gene
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-26-2015, 08:36 PM
genessc's Avatar
genessc genessc is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 210
Thanks for catching my slang, sorry coil banks is wrong... should have said coil Strands. This used to be called the master/slave config, or the slaved config, as he would use the normal SS SG and then just add more power strands and an additional transistor and compression diode per power strand and combine all the compression diode outputs into the single cap like you show on your webpage.

I *think* that this works because each strand is seeing the full image of the source energy and then due the Resistances Changing during conduction or non-conduction times is what helps skew the power such that it charges capacitors up very quickly compared to conventional methods.

I have seen bedinis big wheel. It used large ferrite blocks with Neos behind the ferrites to shape the pole face that was down directed at the large pair of coils that he was "switching" with. I have most of the bedini/bearden books and some of the DVD's, some were pretty useless.

He noted it took him some 30k to build that big wheel. (as I recall he was trying to sell it after the conference.)

I've watched his vid where hes explaining it, but without knowing how that circuit schematic was setup I can't build it for myself to study on my bench.

I started on the bedini stuff maybe 15 years ago now. So been at it a *little* while.

Anywho, hope thats helpful.
Take it easy,
Gene


Quote:
Originally Posted by BroMikey View Post
Thank you for this writing. I have never heard this before and makes good sense. One strand is triggered and 3 strands are slaved with my 4 strand twisted wind.

Yet you say "COIL BANKS" are charged adjacent to the Master? Sounds like you are saying my 4 strand represents the master and I need more 4 strand coils to collect more energy passed on by the master.

Yet all strands must receive the same amount of 12vdc power, so I wonder how this array will offer extra. All I could think of was that the stray magnetic field/energy in the coil will transfer to another pole.

You see we are now talking about OU in Bedini systems but this discussion only centers around improved efficiencies, because John finally released his secret for the BIG MACHINE in Part 22 of his series.

John stated that "we" (meaning replicators of the SSG) were not getting what he was getting due to the fact that John uses HOWARD JOHNSON magnetic gate technology to get the multiple COP increases.

Did you see this PART 22 conference? It was in NOV 2010 on Beardons 80'th birthday. John shows a 16 magnetic poles having convex surfaces and other gate material behind it. It reached to the ceiling some 14-16 feet high.

He had 2 or 3 staggered coil/poles at the bottom.

Do you know about this revelation from PART 22?

You are a very knowledgeable observer. I have never heard your line of reasoning. Good stuff.

Mike
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #12  
Old 02-27-2015, 01:33 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Quote:
Originally Posted by genessc View Post
I have seen bedinis big wheel. It used large ferrite blocks with Neos behind the ferrites to shape the pole face that was down directed at the large pair of coils that he was "switching" with.

..................................... but without knowing how that circuit schematic was setup I can't build it for myself to study on my bench.

I started on the bedini stuff maybe 15 years ago now. So been at it a *little* while.

Anywho, hope thats helpful.
Take it easy,
Gene
Yeah it helps Gene, I heard him say the 10 coils on the BIG MACHINE were all in series, does THAT make any sense?

Maybe he was talking about some other version, I don't know, I really have no clue.

Then one time I heard him say something like " Well you can all do this with the wheel if you want but you don't need it, while beardon HIS FRIEND was building and running the MEG.

I believe it should be possible to get OU in a significant amount as John had by making HJ Magnetic gates that reverse polarity as they are hit with a spike. This was John's comment for his OU Ferris wheel.

He said that the reason why that the people on the internet do not have this extra information is because there were so many idiots on the monopole3 groups that he got ticked off and left.

I think John has more than one design so this gets confusing at times.

In other words an SSSG could also be fitted with the HJ gates could provide excess.

Thanks for helping me to brainstorm.

Mikey
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-27-2015, 03:50 AM
Aaron's Avatar
Aaron Aaron is offline
Co-Founder & Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Washington State
Posts: 11,034
neon trouble?

Thanks for sharing that Mikey!

What voltage are those neons? They shouldn't be blowing...they're really for protection if you disconnect the back end while there is power to the front. In other words, the back battery should never be disconnected while the machine is running because that spike has to go somewhere. If not to the back battery, then it can pop your transistor with a pressure explosion so that is why the neon is there to prevent that. I'm sure you know but but don't understand why the neons are melting - solder joints I'm assuming.

If you are not disconnecting the back end battery while running, then I'm curious as to how the neons are problematic.

That cap you're using to keep that from happening would take quite a bit away from the impulse hitting the battery on the back...should charge much better without it I believe.

You're running it in forced oscillation mode instead of self oscillation mode but that shouldn't make a difference with the neons.
__________________
Sincerely,
Aaron Murakami

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-27-2015, 05:28 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Neons Blowing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
Thanks for sharing that Mikey!

What voltage are those neons?
I got these 90v neons from Russia called #1 or #2 big big bulbs. I have some mini's for my 20awg oscillators and if I goof they act as a fuse shorting across and saving the junctions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
If you are not disconnecting the back end battery while running
Yeah that is what happened during testing but on another note I am getting mixed up remembering why. This was back last year and I ran the input way up on low power devices and the transistors went at the same time as the neons melted, so I was a bad boy. I think it was 4-5 amps at 27 volts and the wire slipped off on another setup. Mainly I just want to cover all points this time because I am spending more money for MJL4281a and fast recovery diodes. Gonna run 36 volts at 10-25 amps to hit my Giant pallet batteries.

My dump is running at 90vdc but I want to run a big oscillator on them for awhile. This time I am going to be Mr Perfect trust me on that. Bolts.

I am so glad to have learned all of this from you guys ahead of time so I can get all the bugs out.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
That cap you're using to keep that from happening would take quite a bit away from the impulse hitting the battery on the back...should charge much better without it I believe.
Yes you are so right I purposely put a big cap across some of my Oscillators because I was afraid of the clamps falling off as I reconditioned a variety of shelved batteries. Lately I am more careful about this. I bolt them suckers down now even if it takes extra time.

Generally I like the Oscillators hooked to a dump so the other cap just adds more whammy, however in spike mode I take it off. Switches. Just like Genmode, I have been using a 2 way 40 amp ac switch. These switches are red and very muscular looking.

What happened was I ran this one up to 90 volts to a capacitor and high amps and the thing slipped off. Dumby Me So I put another bulb in and lowered the amps to 1/2 amp and let it slip and cracked the bulb again.

I put it back on in a New York minute say 1/2 a second. But it was to late.

Then I remembered John saying on the ENERGYSCIENCEFORUM to put some resistance in series with the neons and he gave a figure I couldn't remember. I did a search and lo and behold the numbers started popping up 5.6k or 5k so I have some 3900's I stuck on there.

The bulbs don't fry instantly now if I mess up. You got to remember how big this coil is. My 20awg 4 channel units don't need it but this 14 awg wire is hell on wheels. I really love it. "Big bad tires and everything"






Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
You're running it in forced oscillation mode instead of self oscillation mode but that shouldn't make a difference with the neons.
Self or forced? I have a lot to learn on that. I use a tank circuit and positively triggered base with a diode on small units but to tell you the truth on this big dog I try it both ways and I don't see a change.

Well if I want to run at a higher frequency at about 100 ma draw I might need to use the tank circuit because on the small wire I can't alway keep a stable oscillation way down low.

But with the 14awg wire I think the coil capacitance is all I need to run it. When I use a diode and tank circuit on the trigger the amp draw fluctuates wildly while without it just using a resistor it is more steady.

Don't they call that forced? And also please refresh me on self oscillate.

MikeyPs The new site server is Dynomite
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-27-2015, 10:01 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
MJL4281A Testing

I got my new devices in. These audio transistors are unparallelled. Twice the watts and 350 volt max and now when I run 50-100 volts on the output and a 3 amp 15vdc input there is zero heating. The dern things are rated at 230 watts.

I have learned that when going up on the voltages say to 24vdc or even 36vdc the device needs to have a high voltage rating such as 350v. This has eliminated my heating issue. For such a small amp draw or 3 amps you would think a 15/30 amp device would never heat, but they do over 50volts and even at 45-50volts the 200 or 250 volt device will heat right up.

I just checked it again and zero heat to the finger touch, zero. The other same size devices will feel warm to hot after 30 minutes. So it is confirmed MJL4281A is a far superior component.



So this means I can go up to 40 amps on the input because I am using 8 devices for the new build. Let's see 30amp X 40 Volts = 1200 watts all day long. That is just the converter operation/burn in

Then I can back it down from high efficiencies with zero heat. One thing about it is I am using 10 watt 100 ohm resistors and they are warm so maybe I need 15 watt parts. I can hold them for about a 1/2 minute before I need to let loose of them. Kind of hot.

Mikey
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-27-2015, 02:51 PM
alman's Avatar
alman alman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 51
Mikey,
I think when Aaron mentions self oscillate he is meaning basically 'solid state' when referring to Bedini ssg's. As moving the trigger on the ssg and the higher resistance to make it "self oscillate" are the only difference between this oscillator and the wheeled ones. The wheeled ssgs are triggered by the magnet pass, where as the trigger will self trigger on the solid state version. Aln
__________________
 

Last edited by alman; 02-27-2015 at 02:55 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-27-2015, 03:14 PM
genessc's Avatar
genessc genessc is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 210
Best reference for bedini designed circuits is the "free energy generation" book from beardens cheniere.org website. It lists the different schematics that bedini offers as useful/practical. Also usually on the self oscillating configs the diode on emitter to base are removed and replaced with a resistance, usually 10kohms. Depends which self oscillator ones looking at tho. Out of all beardens books, that one with bedini was probably the most useful versus most of the others being all about Theory... and speculation.

Cheers,
Gene

Quote:
Originally Posted by alman View Post
Mikey,
I think when Aaron mentions self oscillate he is meaning basically 'solid state' when referring to Bedini ssg's. As moving the trigger on the ssg and the higher resistance to make it "self oscillate" are the only difference between this oscillator and the wheeled ones. The wheeled ssgs are triggered by the magnet pass, where as the trigger will self trigger on the solid state version. Aln
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-27-2015, 06:45 PM
Aaron's Avatar
Aaron Aaron is offline
Co-Founder & Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Washington State
Posts: 11,034
self oscillation vs forced oscillation

Quote:
Originally Posted by alman View Post
Mikey,
I think when Aaron mentions self oscillate he is meaning basically 'solid state' when referring to Bedini ssg's. As moving the trigger on the ssg and the higher resistance to make it "self oscillate" are the only difference between this oscillator and the wheeled ones. The wheeled ssgs are triggered by the magnet pass, where as the trigger will self trigger on the solid state version. Aln
Right - self oscillation trigger stays same as on SG with one end of trigger winding going to ground and increasing base resistance.

Forced oscillation is with trigger to the positive instead of negative. Forced oscillation can normally run with an input going much lower than normal. So on a "joule thief" type circuit lighting LED's, can drain the battery much lower if needed compared to self oscillation.
__________________
Sincerely,
Aaron Murakami

Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-28-2015, 03:10 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Quote:
Originally Posted by alman View Post
Mikey,
I think when Aaron mentions self oscillate he is meaning basically 'solid state' when referring to Bedini ssg's. As moving the trigger on the ssg and the higher resistance to make it "self oscillate" are the only difference between this oscillator and the wheeled ones. The wheeled ssgs are triggered by the magnet pass, where as the trigger will self trigger on the solid state version. Aln





Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
Right - self oscillation trigger stays same as on SG with one end of trigger winding going to ground and increasing base resistance.

Forced oscillation is with trigger to the positive instead of negative. Forced oscillation can normally run with an input going much lower than normal. So on a "joule thief" type circuit lighting LED's, can drain the battery much lower if needed compared to self oscillation.


Okay yes I knew that, I just couldn't think of what it meant, but you see this all the time on youtube where the man will have a JOHN BEDINI SSG running along with the standard magnets and all at once he will stop the wheel. The self oscillation with the wheel stopped is still charging away.

No I have never built an SSG.

Okay got it. Thanks gentlemen.

I should be getting my fast diodes soon. Also I had to get some 15 watt 220 ohm resistors last night. And not those axial lead types from China either, these resistors are the real thing for high powered operations, such as we see with the TESLA CHARGERS for solar applications.

Gonna be sweet.

Thanks, Aaron and Aln



Mikey


__________________
 

Last edited by BroMikey; 02-28-2015 at 03:13 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-28-2015, 12:59 PM
alman's Avatar
alman alman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
Right - self oscillation trigger stays same as on SG with one end of trigger winding going to ground and increasing base resistance.

Forced oscillation is with trigger to the positive instead of negative. Forced oscillation can normally run with an input going much lower than normal. So on a "joule thief" type circuit lighting LED's, can drain the battery much lower if needed compared to self oscillation.
Aaron I did not know the part in red, thank you for sharing, lots of very similar circuits and many times the reasons for variations are unknown to the newbies. Aln
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 02-28-2015, 11:11 PM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Quote:
Originally Posted by alman View Post
Aaron I did not know the part in red, thank you for sharing, lots of very similar circuits and many times the reasons for variations are unknown to the newbies. Aln

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
Right - self oscillation trigger stays same as on SG with one end of trigger winding going to ground and increasing base resistance.

Forced oscillation is with trigger to the positive instead of negative. Forced oscillation can normally run with an input going much lower than normal. So on a "joule thief" type circuit lighting LED's, can drain the battery much lower if needed compared to self oscillation.



The more I think about it the less I realize I understand it all These small entries help to maintain the focus long enough to give me more time to grasp other concepts I had not thought of.

I would imagine that Aaron's books are an excellent resource to poor over so many complicated principles. And naturally someone is going to jump up right about now with their bad attitude and say that "Aaron thinks he is so smart"

You know what i say to that? He is not the only young men who understands so many of these missing links in true science but he is one of the few who writes it all down. And one thing I can tell you about writing things down is you are forced to hear you own words so all of the fine details can be added in around the main subject.

Aaron. you are a good writer. You will be rewarded.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #22  
Old 03-04-2015, 03:55 AM
KimK's Avatar
KimK KimK is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 2
Question on resistance

Mike thanks for this thread your a shinny spoke in this wheel of friends on this forum. I'm working best I can I have very little exp. In electronics. I've built a bike wheel Ssg. And bought sm window motor from rick it runs great i love it and have learned a lot.
I have a question. I am atempting to build a ss ssg like your beast. I have a 7 filer wound 6-18 awg 1-23awg I have 6 mjl21194 and 6-1n5408 for out put. I'm unsure what values for the resiters. Any help would be appreciated.
PS we should all pray for GM I hope he is OK.


Thanks much kmk
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 03-04-2015, 09:30 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Quote:
Originally Posted by KimK View Post
Mike thanks for this thread your a shinny spoke in this wheel of friends on this forum. I'm working best I can I have very little exp. In electronics. I've built a bike wheel Ssg. And bought sm window motor from rick it runs great i love it and have learned a lot.
I have a question. I am atempting to build a ss ssg like your beast. I have a 7 filer wound 6-18 awg 1-23awg I have 6 mjl21194 and 6-1n5408 for out put. I'm unsure what values for the resiters. Any help would be appreciated.
PS we should all pray for GM I hope he is OK.


Thanks much kmk

Thank you for you gracious words. If you want to find out, always start higher, say 5000 ohms which sounds ridiculous. Always use an AMP METER while connecting your resistor and just tap the connection as fast as you can to see if you are sending the nettle all of the way over.

Then go to a 4000 ohm and 2000 ohm. Mine is running tonight on a 1200 ohm resistor and the current draw is 1 amp. If I put two 1.2k ohm resistors in series my amp draw is about 3/4 amp. If I put three in series for a 3.6k ohm value, my draw is 1/2 amp or .5amp.

I use 10-15 watt cement resistors like this one





Your goal is to start and run on a few mili-amps. Use a 5 amp analog meter

__________________
 

Last edited by BroMikey; 03-04-2015 at 09:33 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 03-05-2015, 03:19 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
A Question to Technical Support

I have often wondered why my Oscillators stop oscillating when I run up the input voltage from 12vdc to 40vdc? My joule thief does the same thing. Once I get up past 12vdc it stops working right.

I think the coil on a Bedini Oscillator must be rewound to run higher input voltages? I want to run up my input to 30-40vdc but it stops oscillating.

I heard John B. say the coil would have to be rewound but I never heard what the changes would be. Maybe a longer length? I have 130 feet now so maybe 260 feet?

Mikey
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 03-05-2015, 04:50 PM
genessc's Avatar
genessc genessc is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 210
Yeap, to use higher voltages you want higher inductance, higher resistance windings in place. I have a 6 strand 20awg 1lb per winding on a single common pittsfield spool under my 6inch bedini style ceramic all north out rotor. Input to it gets ramped up to 120vdc... output is that plus some...

Not really practical for charging batteries, but it runs lights. I have a second stator of 18awg 1lb per winding on the same pittsfield core that I never got around to swapping in to bring the input volts back down a bit.

One other thing thats nice to do on the rotor version of the SG is to put like a 47ohm resistor in series with the Potentiometer on the trigger strand to make sure you never turn it down to zero ohms and destroy the transistor by overloading current. (could be a 20ohm or whatnot, depends what peak voltage you're inputting.) Just another safety means...

Gene

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroMikey View Post
I have often wondered why my Oscillators stop oscillating when I run up the input voltage from 12vdc to 40vdc? My joule thief does the same thing. Once I get up past 12vdc it stops working right.

I think the coil on a Bedini Oscillator must be rewound to run higher input voltages? I want to run up my input to 30-40vdc but it stops oscillating.

I heard John B. say the coil would have to be rewound but I never heard what the changes would be. Maybe a longer length? I have 130 feet now so maybe 260 feet?

Mikey
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 03-06-2015, 02:52 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
That is over 320 feet for a pound of wire. Thank you Gene. So now I need a longer peace of wire. If I run at 30-40 volts input, how would I figure out what the optimum length might be?

I don't want to ask a million questions and put you out. But it sure is good to have someone around like you who knows more than me.

Another idea, how about using 2 windings in series on my spool instead of one? See what I mean? But I heard John Bedini say he didn't want any breaks in the wire. So i don't know.

Also is can't go back down to 12vdc or 24vdc if I have built the machine for 45vdc input.

Your setup sounds so cool. I always safe guard the bases of my transistors with a minimum resistance, except for testing. Well maybe I should do it then also.

So your setup takes 120volts right off the wall? And then goes up to 300volts? Or what? I don't understand. Seems like people might run a trickle out of the wall and light all of their lights for half the cost?

Is that the idea? Either way Gene you are turning out to be a great help to me.

Mikey





Quote:
Originally Posted by genessc View Post
Yeap, to use higher voltages you want higher inductance, higher resistance windings in place. I have a 6 strand 20awg 1lb per winding on a single common pittsfield spool under my 6inch bedini style ceramic all north out rotor. Input to it gets ramped up to 120vdc... output is that plus some...

Not really practical for charging batteries, but it runs lights. I have a second stator of 18awg 1lb per winding on the same pittsfield core that I never got around to swapping in to bring the input volts back down a bit.

One other thing thats nice to do on the rotor version of the SG is to put like a 47ohm resistor in series with the Potentiometer on the trigger strand to make sure you never turn it down to zero ohms and destroy the transistor by overloading current. (could be a 20ohm or whatnot, depends what peak voltage you're inputting.) Just another safety means...

Gene
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 03-06-2015, 10:24 PM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Well it looks like I am going to buy some 16 awg at over 1200 feet per roll giving me 4 power strands at 260 feet per strand.

$130 dollars to the door.

I guess just trial and error on the proper length.

this way instead of going from 12-24vdc input's I might be able to go from 24-36 volt inputs with much better oscillations.

Gonna have to save my money. The transistors are here, the diodes are still coming and the wire will be next. I guess going out in the yard to twist that thing up is out of the question, gonna have to make a winder/twisting machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZETeUMRP8


__________________
 

Last edited by BroMikey; 03-07-2015 at 12:47 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 03-08-2015, 06:30 AM
totoalas totoalas is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 628
thanks for keeping this sssg alive and kicking
im also using patricks cap mode on alum batteries for 2 yrs now
iwant your beasty charger so can you draw again please
your present set up if possible with solar
1. which circuit u used first or second in first page?
2. i used ferrite tv cone and 6 23 gage 30 meters 240 mA consumtion
on 4 60 ah batteries.. what size of batteries you used and how nany?
3.. sg oscillator circuit? size of battery charger normal power
4. wattage of pc power supply?
5. a whole set up would be easy tofollow with ur latest parts used and the 3 leds in the base?
6. recommended solar panels on ur present set up
7. i prefer solid state for easy replication

thanks again
totoalas
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 03-09-2015, 08:49 AM
BroMikey's Avatar
BroMikey BroMikey is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 6,182
Quote:
Originally Posted by totoalas View Post
thanks for keeping this sssg alive and kicking
im also using patricks cap mode on alum batteries for 2 yrs now
iwant your beasty charger so can you draw again please
your present set up if possible with solar
1. which circuit u used first or second in first page?
2. i used ferrite tv cone and 6 23 gage 30 meters 240 mA consumtion
on 4 60 ah batteries.. what size of batteries you used and how nany?
3.. sg oscillator circuit? size of battery charger normal power
4. wattage of pc power supply?
5. a whole set up would be easy tofollow with ur latest parts used and the 3 leds in the base?
6. recommended solar panels on ur present set up
7. i prefer solid state for easy replication

thanks again
totoalas

Yeah Man Same same First picture BUT I am changing the transistors to a new number. no more MJL21194.

Now I have MJL4281A for a 350 volt transisitor

Also I use better faster more powerful DIODES. They look like transistors but only 2 legs and go next to the transistors on the heat sink.




I blew up some transistors because my diodes are small. Way to small. So I explode the transistor and the diode together and throw it all away.

Today I am running 35vdc input with a nice diode and a BIG transistor at 3 amps. This is 100 watts input. I have 8 transistor and 8 fast diodes for a power of 800 watt easy but will run 200-400watts regularly.

2 solar panels will put out 19vdc +19vdc in series in hot sun = 38vdc max but 30vdc in low sun works great. My batteries are 2000 pounds at 1000ah 36vdc. Or 3000ah at 12vdc.

I need the beast Osc to feed my BIG DUMP This Dump charges up to 90-100vdc giving me 100's of amps of inrush. I can run cool in summer heat all day long at 600-800 watts if I need to but I like 400-500 watts better. Because my BIG BATTERY needs time to charge.

I have a 200 amp inverter or 3000/6000 ac power inverter so I need BIG BIG cables for discharging these BIG DOGS.

So you see the Oscillator feeds my cap bank the good stuff first. Then the dump runs MAX 3 pulse to the battery every second. Then I go to 2 pulse per second, then 1 pulse per second. Then float at 1 pulse every 5 seconds for months.

I am changing the BEAST OSC so it can do 12vdc from 100ma-3000ma, 24vdc from 100ma to 3000ma, 36vdc from 100ma to 3000ma operation switchable.

I am running cool parts tonight on a single strand of wire. I am using 2 transistors per wire and 2 diodes. Each strand of 14 awg in being tested at 6 amps 35vdc using 2 transistors and 2 diodes.

If I can stay cool, I will do all 4 strands of wire the same as the first.

My resistors are 15-20 watts to run cool on the base of the transistors.

All of this costs more money so I am going slow making sure I do it right. Still I do not have all of my diodes yet.

How many days does it take to charge two of your dead 60ah batteries on 240ma?

Mikey
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 03-09-2015, 10:29 AM
totoalas totoalas is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 628
thanks for the swift reply what a goldmine of info
will upgrade mine to charge gof cart batteries
the batteries are 2007 and got them from the dump

v wll rise to 14 v dc in a single day and load it up with 220 v ac 40 watts of 8 5w led bulbs in jr 110 ma consumption fro m 6 pm to 9 am v dropped to 12.5 and charging starts again and have a loud ringing ... the ferrite tv toroid windings with a oven magnet increase the resonance and system run cool.... the 250 v cap by Patrick is great....
i used 60 watts oanel with charge controller
the other solar 2 10 w in series via renes emf charger 36 v r for two 7 ah batteriesr foir back up

the latter is enough fir ny 40 w lighting
the beasty i will use fir bigger load ..... try the ferrite cone plus nagnet
and u can see the difference

will be following ur update

thanks

totoalas
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
john, bedini, starting, cap, post, circuit, oscillator, work, basic, trigger, page, beast, point, back, web, site, compile, making, lost, data, power, stuff, running, fan, putting

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Please consider supporting Energetic Forum with a voluntary monthly subscription.

Choose your voluntary subscription

For one-time donations, please use the below button.


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v1.4.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
2007-2015 Copyright - Energetic Forum - All Rights Reserved

Bedini RPX Sideband Generator

Tesla Chargers