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Old 06-28-2015, 07:29 AM
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I know what I was going to say now. On dynamic resistance

of the diode on the base of channel one. I noted that the

resistance moves from 1, 2 and 3 amp drive current.

It seems like a selection of a better diode might not

fluctuate so radically and also maybe a M.O.V. or a

METAL OXIDE VARISTOR could help swing the base

current over in the right direction.
On resistance for the base.

The oscillator is now running 65vdc and the 2nd channel
is running more open than ever. #1 channel resistor
is warm, #2 resistor is burning my finger.

The impedance to the dump caps has changed everything.

Now to balance the 2 channels the 2nd channel needs
600 ohms of resistance while #1 is running at 100ohms.

I think matching the transistors beta may be critical here.

I have never balanced 2 channels.

I still need a means of accurately deciding how much
power is going through each transistor. I am thinking
amp meters for each channel plus the laser temp probe
might get me closer than I am now.
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Mikey, i would use a very low value resistance in series with the oscillators output and input to load. same for each channel. Then either use an analogue test meter on the lowest voltage DC range or your scope even, compare readings and match up each channel.
Note: If using your scope don't common your probes ground leads between the two resistors!! Specially if using a dual channel scope. Finally any output diodes used_make sure you match each output to well within the forward voltage drop of the diodes spec.
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Hi folks, Hi mike, sounds like good things to test, as i would like to expand this into multi strand also.
Hi wistiti, so have you had any extra results using the series led base trick.
I am glad to report, apparently my battery isn't dying, i was just seriously overloading it.
I was using around c4 discharge rate, last night i discharged using around c8, 1.5 amps from battery or 18.9 watts, using only one 6 watt led bulb with my inverter.
Which is alot, the inverter efficiency plus the power factor of the led bulb must be crap.
Anyway, the battery still managed to give 132 watt hours down to 10.5 volts, which is just about 12 amp hours.
Been charging overnight using the re-emf charger, using 30 volt input this time at 5.5 watt input to make some more charge/discharge cycles.
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Hi folks, Hi mike, sounds like good things to test, as i would like to expand this into multi strand also.

12 amp hours.
Been charging overnight using the re-emf charger, using 30 volt input this time at 5.5 watt input to make some more charge/discharge cycles.
peace love light

Good progress and yes Dupe is going to keep us on track it looks

like.

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Mikey, i would use a very low value resistance in series with the oscillators output and input to load. same for each channel. Then either use an analogue test meter on the lowest voltage DC range or your scope even, compare readings and match up each channel.
Note: If using your scope don't common your probes ground leads between the two resistors!! Specially if using a dual channel scope. Finally any output diodes used_make sure you match each output to well within the forward voltage drop of the diodes spec.

Hey Dupe

Thanks for the reply. Here are a few pictures. All of my switching

boards for washer motors have this. One resistor reads .22ohms

if you have any specific low ohm values it would help me to order

the right ones. Also wire wound low value resistors are able to

handle heat well. And it looks like this is what is often used.

The isolated channel testing makes sense but when I combine

channels as long as each channel has a separate

EMITTER AND COLLECTOR resistor, then one should not so radically effect

the other. This is conjecture or speculation on my part. Feel free

to confirm or reject my analysis.



























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Old 06-29-2015, 02:39 AM
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Hey Dupe

I have a practical diagram from John Bedini. In it the circuit

has a .05 ohm resistor. We must keep in mind the fact that

the SSG circuits forbid the use of these extra resistors so

these SSG circuits are more of a learning tool for beginners.

So I guess I am moving out of the fantasy subset into the

practical / industrial side of reality. Have you ever used a

.05ohm resistor?

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Hi Mickey, suggested using resistors only to initially assist in balancing and matching up both channels. you can remove them once each channel has been matched. Just measure the voltage across the resistor and set up channel 1 make a note of the results, remove the resistor or link it out. Then carry out the same adjustment for channel 2 and likewise remove the resistor or link out.
These low values are quite commonly found in power circuitry as current limiters or voltage/current feedback loops, your looking at mV voltages across these devices which can form part of the comparator circuit for regulating voltage and or current limiting.
That first pic has a shunt to the right of jp24 they have a specific very low ohmic value and found frequently in high current industrial chargers!! Any poor soldering around those bad boys and your in for major burn ups. Surprises me that components subjected to high thermal temperatures are in direct contact with the circuit board, often ending up with a charred mess or fire!!
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I like your collection of circuit boards, parts come in useful for projects. Used to repair industrial 100A plus charger boards the ones beyond repair come in useful...toroid coils etc.
I have a good collection of junk boards and assemblies, just finding the room to store them is becoming a problem now!
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Mikey, i would use a very low value resistance in series

with the oscillators output and input to load. same for each channel. Then

either use an analogue test meter on the lowest voltage DC range or your

scope even, compare readings and match up each channel.
Note: If using your scope don't common your probes ground leads between the

two resistors!! Specially if using a dual channel scope. Finally any output

diodes used_make sure you match each output to well within the forward

voltage drop of the diodes spec.

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Hi Mickey, suggested using resistors only to initially

assist in balancing and matching up both channels. you can remove them once

each channel has been matched. Just measure the voltage across the resistor

and set up channel 1 make a note of the results, remove the resistor or link

it out. Then carry out the same adjustment for channel 2 and likewise remove

the resistor or link out.
These low values are quite commonly found in power circuitry as current

limiters or voltage/current feedback loops, your looking at mV voltages

across these devices which can form part of the comparator circuit for

regulating voltage and or current limiting.
That first pic has a shunt to the right of jp24 they have a specific very low

ohmic value and found frequently in high current industrial chargers!! Any

poor soldering around those bad boys and your in for major burn ups.

Surprises me that components subjected to high thermal temperatures are in

direct contact with the circuit board, often ending up with a charred mess or

fire!!

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I like your collection of circuit boards, parts come in

useful for projects. Used to repair industrial 100A plus charger boards the

ones beyond repair come in useful...toroid coils etc.
I have a good collection of junk boards and assemblies, just finding the room

to store them is becoming a problem now!

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Hi Mikey, just a couple of points. Firstly how are you

monitoring your battery charging current! also I run a separate feedback wire

directly from my batteries under charge. When your topping off at critical

voltage levels it's best referenced direct from the battery, but make sure

the connections are good!!

Hey Dupe

Thanks for the comments. I have been thinking about the resistors

on the emitter and collector to balance channels so I can later pull

them. And since the resistance is around 1 ohm on the wire coil then

I was thinking .5 ohm on the emitter and .5 ohms on the collector.

Yes I will do them one at a time the same way.

Another thought is to take measurements on the analog amp meter

and use the laser probe to see if the relationship between the two

follows any linear scale after a certain point.

That way after getting the two channels opening the same using

resistors I can tell by temperature as well if the balance was lost

at anytime after everything is working together.

I will work on this in the future. Thanks for all the good pointers

on the comparator resistor/feedback systems. I had not thought

of this lately.

I'll bet you have lots of goodies to work with out of your 100 amp

board stacks. I do the same thing with circuits. It is never enough.

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Battery charger video

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Hey Dupe

Been doin a bit of practicing on tuning.


I split up the channels as you pointed out and the diode and

resistor on channel one works out to about a 150 ohm

equivalent resistance for channel two.

When I first noticed my circuit was not balanced and got

to thinking about it, was seeing a hot resistor on channel 2

and a cold one on channel one.

Then I started using the split testing idea you suggested

with amp meter. So now I am very close.

I use the same boost coil of 1.2 ohm for a load.

I switched out the transistors to MJL4281's because

when I tried to charge a scooter battery of 36 volts

the MJL21194's went bye bye.


Before all of this i was getting 720 ma through channel one

and 1350ma on channel 2. This was the reading for the trickle

charge setting. Then as I went up in power to the 3 amp

range channel one read 1325man and channel two read 1700ma.

What i noticed is that if I get close to the balancing resistance the

two pull eachother closer or lock together as if they want to

balance each other.

I am within 75-100ma differential for the entire scale 500ma-3000ma.

All of this being accomplished with an additional 50 ohms of

resistance on channel 2 to even up things a little due to that diode

in channel one. A very humble fix

All of these years I have been running unbalanced.

Other thoughts to get real close or closer than 75ma may not

be important for this 2 channel unit capable of 400 watts

running no more than 50 watts max.

But my thoughts were to use a fast diode i have to see if

dynamic resistance becomes lower offering a lower swing

in my 1-3amp range.

That is for later.

Also thoughts of using a TVS in the base to hold resistance more

stable? But I don't know what I am really talking about there,

just a guess and these parts are not for that?

I don't know.

It is a little thing and I am pretty dern happy about it
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What surprises me is how little we hear about tuning from these

people on groups who are supposed to be adept in the Bedini

oscillators. I find nothing that is specific just generalities and

this shows me that very few people have practical units.


Tuning is brought up at sites where they claim they are

some kind of leaders for this stuff and never give any direction.

Oh they suggest selecting diodes that are close and going

through a hundred transistors to get three or four pretty close

but to me this is a ridiculous impractical approach
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Amplifiers are fine tuned by resistors at the base.

People go on about beta but after burn in that beta value

is far from what it was. The truth is like every sphere of

sales the companies try to make the sale of their product

into some mysterious specialized formula requiring you

to come to them for the best tuning when all it is to

do the job is adding some resistance.

Veracity is a word they only use when they want to

but when it comes to shared knowledge it has no meaning.

I have always had little respect for a stuffed shirt for this reason.

Nobody wants to bring it down to a level of common sense

shared knowledge to get the tuning done.

i would have these 3 post all into one but this site is not working again
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This is what the BEAST OSC is.

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A few years back I talked to John Bedin about my beast oscillator.
He commented on how he made some of these and that you never knew
what might happen.

Over the years I have heard many lies about the monopole.

Then is PART 22 of "ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM" series John gave
the answer I had been looking for. Many great advances can be
found talked about in PART 22.

In this tiny snippet of PART 22 listen to John Bedini talk about how
uncontrolled groups treat the inventors and why we didn't get all
that we needed to produce practical amounts of power using his SSG.

Then I heard John say that we don't need the wheel and that always
stuck with me. So this is why I work on my "Beast Oscillator".

The poles should be placed differently than is shown in our current
Monopole information. The Magnets on the rotor should be done like
Howard Johnson had shown John, in oder, Ferrite-rubber-Neo.

The energy must also be sent to a cap dumb first.

John Bedin does not use the MONOPOLE CIRCUIT.

Listen to John's rebuke to us all.

Thanks John. Part 22 in the year 2010 was the first time John Bedini
officially stated that we do not have what we need with current
information. All we have are "Table Scraps"

Bless your heart John. But he did give us the answers in PART22





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.................................................. .................................................. .......................................regarding the SSGs (and other derivatives) where the batteries were said to be 'conditioned' It is so, and the batteries do act differently. Cutting open a battery in this (conditioned) state and comparing to a similar battery that has been cycled and charged by normal means indicates a very different colour material coating the plates. slate grey, I recall this being mentioned by John B in one of his video's and checked myself .. tis so. Its an altered substance in some way ... anyway back to the reading
Yes it is, but that is not what you need to have a practical SSG for
running power at the house. You can ignore me all you like, but I don't
see a practical machine at your house.

You guys ramble on about nothing, decorative phrases into no where.

I will not be ignored. You younger guys take note at all of the high
talk yet no one has anything useful.

When John said it was worthless to explain his machines to most, he
was right and I know this by the way you treat me and others. You are
lost in zero's and ones.

On the other hand John Bedini has shown us that by creating a magnet
gating action motor, that can switch polarity with a coil spike, practical
free energy is here.

If you people are so smart, why don't you see these simple truths?

Endless years of scientific chatter with nothing to show for.

The coil placement is not according to the MONOPOLE info, NON LINEAR
fields are not made like that. Rotor magnets that switch polarity when
they are hit with a spike.

How simple does it get? The people here, who say they want free energy
have not taken basic projects that lead to the answers, so they will never
have it.

Watch me, I am working on magnet motors.

I watched the transistor/semiconductor markets rise from their beginning
so I know what I see and what I am talking about. Tech talk is only a
distraction taking away your time to experiment. Which it seems you never
do.

The answers are sitting right under your noses and you don't know it.

So there, now you have your rebuke from me, not to stop you from
getting the free energy, NO!! So that you will find it.

However some of you have long since closed the door in finding it so
nothing can enter into your small world.

Just continue to TEE off those who have the answers and you will get
exactly what you deserve, zero's and one's.
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A few years back I talked to John Bedin about my beast oscillator.
He commented on how he made some of these and that you never knew
what might happen.

Over the years I have heard many lies about the monopole.

Then is PART 22 of "ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM" series John gave
the answer I had been looking for. Many great advances can be
found talked about in PART 22.

In this tiny snippet of PART 22 listen to John Bedini talk about how
uncontrolled groups treat the inventors and why we didn't get all
that we needed to produce practical amounts of power using his SSG.

Then I heard John say that we don't need the wheel and that always
stuck with me. So this is why I work on my "Beast Oscillator".

The poles should be placed differently than is shown in our current
Monopole information. The Magnets on the rotor should be done like
Howard Johnson had shown John, in oder, Ferrite-rubber-Neo.

The energy must also be sent to a cap dumb first.

John Bedin does not use the MONOPOLE CIRCUIT.

Listen to John's rebuke to us all.

Thanks John. Part 22 in the year 2010 was the first time John Bedini
officially stated that we do not have what we need with current
information. All we have are "Table Scraps"

Bless your heart John. But he did give us the answers in PART22







Yes it is, but that is not what you need to have a practical SSG for
running power at the house. You can ignore me all you like, but I don't
see a practical machine at your house.

You guys ramble on about nothing, decorative phrases into no where.

I will not be ignored. You younger guys take note at all of the high
talk yet no one has anything useful.

When John said it was worthless to explain his machines to most, he
was right and I know this by the way you treat me and others. You are
lost in zero's and ones.

On the other hand John Bedini has shown us that by creating a magnet
gating action motor, that can switch polarity with a coil spike, practical
free energy is here.

If you people are so smart, why don't you see these simple truths?

Endless years of scientific chatter with nothing to show for.

The coil placement is not according to the MONOPOLE info, NON LINEAR
fields are not made like that. Rotor magnets that switch polarity when
they are hit with a spike.

How simple does it get? The people here, who say they want free energy
have not taken basic projects that lead to the answers, so they will never
have it.

Watch me, I am working on magnet motors.

I watched the transistor/semiconductor markets rise from their beginning
so I know what I see and what I am talking about. Tech talk is only a
distraction taking away your time to experiment. Which it seems you never
do.

The answers are sitting right under your noses and you don't know it.

So there, now you have your rebuke from me, not to stop you from
getting the free energy, NO!! So that you will find it.

However some of you have long since closed the door in finding it so
nothing can enter into your small world.

Just continue to TEE off those who have the answers and you will get
exactly what you deserve, zero's and one's.
Yes you are right, it can't get any simpler and it's better to let your hands do some work instead of hanging out on this forum all day.
Maybe you can make a video yourself with your free energy device when you are done?

Good luck and let us play with the ones and zeros.
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Hi folks, Hi mike, so which circuit or setup are you recommending people try.
I notice in the part 22 small clip, he shows the north pole motor, with a more elaborate circuitry.
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Hi folks, Hi mike, so which circuit or setup are you recommending people try.
I notice in the part 22 small clip, he shows the north pole motor, with a more elaborate circuitry.
peace love light
Hi Sky
Thanks for sharing all of your experiments. I want to say that people
who show real results will succeed like we see with you. The answer to
your question is a "HIGHLY MODIFIED BEDINI-COLE CIRCUIT"
Well this was the answer that JOHN gave after he set the stage for
why we were only given table scraps.

The LOW DOWN? OH goodie, I thought no one would even ask. It is
not complicated enough so no one cares I guess. I am sorry Sky
I don't mean to rant so much, it's just that I expected more out of
people than I am seeing.

The circuit? The circuit is one answer and in this video John says
that the circuit throws out 2 spikes AND THEN the gated magnet
flips polarity.

You see I am in the generation born in the mid to late 50's so I see
things from two sides. One side Grandpa worked with and dreamed
about vacuum tubes and the other side is super chips fully programmable.

John Bedini's rock collection/grinding and binding always run through
my mind since I watched the rise of the semiconductor industry, wishing
someday I could squeeze my own crystals.

The answer is in the circuit but I think the rest of the answer is not so
common of a subject so we need to address that first.

Take a ceramic magnet disk,a rubber magnet disk, a thin neo magnet disk
and stack them up. Put an LED indicator for North and South pole
measurements on each side say 4 inches away.

Again stack your magnets and begin to change the distance between
the individual sections while your 2 measuring devices are placed on
each end of your experimental setup.

As you adjust the distances between rubber, neo and ceramic the polarity
may or may not flip at different placements. Shielding by using thin strips
set on each side or back may change magnetic field reactions.

The trick is to set up a field using magnets that becomes very touchy
if we can put it that way. Fields on the verge of flipping polarity but
not, until a spike is introduced. At that point the tiny amount used
in electrical energy might be recovered when the polarity flips and
magnetic energy is sent back into the coil.

Then another spike is sent to flip the polarity back to it's original state
waiting for the next event to occur. Well this is my educated guess.

So the answer is in the magnetic gating action that gives an extra
amount when the flipping occurs and wow. Think about how strong
magnets can be and when they are set up to cancel out the forces
they offer in a static condition. Think about just how much power
they can offer our empty coils.

Static fields offering 50 lbs normally yet cancelled and on the brink
of flipping polarity using a tiny input to do it.

The magnet motor I am doing now is teaching me this principle.
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Yes you are right, it can't get any simpler and it's better to let your hands do some work instead of hanging out on this forum all day.
Maybe you can make a video yourself with your free energy device when you are done?

Good luck and let us play with the ones and zeros.
Hey Scratch
Don't get me wrong I play with the zero's and one's, but what I am saying
is that digital networks don't spell out O.U. just because. And there is always
some time in the day to give you my thoughts.

I guess you are not interested in the Bedini stuff or you would know
that I already gave you the answer you need to perfect the monopole.

If you ever built a Bedini device at all. Just Zero's and One's are not enough.
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Hi mike, thanks for sharing what you have found out about bedinis work.
So based on your description, here is the image that formed in my mind.
A coil, with two same polarity permanent magnets on either side and each has this differing type magnets stacked to cause a shift in magnetic strength from either end of coil, due to a pulse from coil.
Sure seems somewhat similar to what magnacoaster is doing from my comprehension of his work.
If polarity of either magnet is really changing, i'm having trouble visualizing how that is happening.
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Hi mike, thanks for sharing what you have found out about bedinis work.
So based on your description, here is the image that formed in my mind.
A coil, with two same polarity permanent magnets on either side and each has this differing type magnets stacked to cause a shift in magnetic strength from either end of coil, due to a pulse from coil.
Sure seems somewhat similar to what magnacoaster is doing from my comprehension of his work.
If polarity of either magnet is really changing, i'm having trouble visualizing how that is happening.
peace love light

It is hard to explain so here is the basic concept. John pointed out that
the rotor magnets on the big Ferris wheel were not just regular or
standard ferrite and that behind the visible ferrite was in fact a rubber
magnet and behind that a Neo magnet.

I have no clue if my drawing is correct and is only a conceptual entry to
stimulate our desire to go deeper. John asked "Did anyone remember the
Howard Johnson video's that he had done? Reminding us that Howard
designed magnetic gates that switch polarity and that in fact his rotor
magnets were an off shoot of that work.

That the SG group never got the full details though John had originally
intended for them to build units such as he has. Not the table scrap
version the rest of us have that are a 1.1 cop to 1.3 cop.

Just plain and simple magnetic fields being used to harvest joules. Not
ice creeping in the windows because vacuum energy was present..
Everyone wants the hair standing on the back of their necks as they
see the OU creeping like Kudzu up the house wiring, some silly
supernatural lie.

But who want to do the foot work?

Table scraps will work as a great battery tech to keep the plates clean
and therefore fully charged without damage. The monopole groups, the
yahoo's on them insulted John constantly so they never got the full
details.

In the diagram the magnets do not actually flip all of their pole as shown
instead the entire gate flips pole, it is up to us to build a gate to operate
in a reversible action. Kick it once and the gate flips to south, kick it again
and the gate(series of magnets shown) flips back to north.

Earlier I made a suggestion that maybe the experimenter might build his
or her gate while a measuring tool lie at each end, to detect changes in
the field.

This is how I see the idea.


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Another very important innovation that John talked about was
his pie shaped magnet experiment on the cole motor in the center
of the Ferris wheel that is used as a highly efficient generator to
keep the system tronix running along.

You will note the distances A, B, C that A (section of the magnet)
travels further than the C (section of the magnet) thereby balancing
up the loading on the coils to reduce resistance.

Thanks -A - Million John



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This is yet another way to charge a battery using an oscillator.
I am realizing the benefits of the fast recovery diodes more
than ever. Anyone who has a high frequency oscillator such
as an SSSG is not doing their circuit justice by using a 50 cent
general purpose diode.

When i use to use a standard general purpose diode on the output
of my SSSG charger/Energizer the 6a part would begin to get hot
hot at a few hundred milliamps due to the nature of HF oscillations.

When I finally broke down and spent a full dollar for a fast diode
the energy harvested nearly doubled and not only did the heat
issue at the rectifier vanish but so did the burning heat in the
oscillator section.

It finally did self destruct using the general purpose diodes
at only 800 milliamps per strand. With the fast diodes I can
run 5 amps if I want and the circuit is not bottle necked
with all of the reflect energy trashing my oscillator.

It seems that once you hit the critical milliamp ceiling these 60hz
general purpose diodes act as resistors and the more power fed
into the circuit just goes out as heat with little to no increase in
output power for 4X input.

Using General purpose diodes for an oscillator is an insult to intelligent
design. Beginners are instructed to use these type of diodes in almost
every basic circuit shown on the web.

This circuit as shown is the best you will find that can charge a
battery at 100 percent efficiency, thanks to John Bedini.



These are just fast diodes not the ultra fast but they are the
biggest fast high amp handling for the lowest price.

10pcs 40EPF12 Encapsulation to 247 Fast Soft Recovery Rectifier Diode | eBay


Also the transistor for higher voltage oscillations.






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Understanding Oscillation performance

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What would be the greatest factor in controlling the circuits ability to oscillate? I have built a charger similar to your layout but as yet I haven't got it to oscillate. My coil is 5 strands of litzed 24awg with a single line of 32awg for trigger. Runs are at 60ft. May be not long enough.

From what I have read there is some suggestion that changing the values of resistors can effect oscillation and you indicate power level input alters it as well? And I am sure that the coil build has to be within certain parameters that are known to work.

I am going to build your latest design but I would like to get this first charging circuit of mine to function correctly before I advance to another level.

By the way, what do you think a ballpark figure for parts for your circuit would be?

I appreciate your sharing. Finding definitive answers on radiant chargers can be a daunting task on the internet. I can resonate with old school logic. Simple, robust, can tolerate extremes..... my kind of approach.

My main goal right now is desulfating deep cell batteries. Once I get the desulfator operational I will construct the Gen Mode and then the safety voltage circuit. I want to keep it basic and expand from there.
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Hello Why-Me

Here is 1 diagram for gen-mode on my units. You will
notice the standard SG circuit to the right hand side
and the left side the control circuit for over voltage.

Note the Genmode switch and the 6A10 diode just above it
that I now have replaced with a more powerful diode number.

I had to really dig to find my old thread.

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BroMikey

What would be the greatest factor in controlling the circuits ability to oscillate? I have built a charger similar to your layout but as yet I haven't got it to oscillate. My coil is 5 strands of litzed 24awg with a single line of 32awg for trigger. Runs are at 60ft. May be not long enough.

From what I have read there is some suggestion that changing the values of resistors can effect oscillation and you indicate power level input alters it as well? And I am sure that the coil build has to be within certain parameters that are known to work.

I am going to build your latest design but I would like to get this first charging circuit of mine to function correctly before I advance to another level.

By the way, what do you think a ballpark figure for parts for your circuit would be?

I appreciate your sharing. Finding definitive answers on radiant chargers can be a daunting task on the internet. I can resonate with old school logic. Simple, robust, can tolerate extremes..... my kind of approach.

My main goal right now is desulfating deep cell batteries. Once I get the desulfator operational I will construct the Gen Mode and then the safety voltage circuit. I want to keep it basic and expand from there.

Sorry about missing your post for a while. Glad you have some
questions such as frequency of oscillation. A tank circuit is
formed by a single resistor because the coils have capacitance.

My large 14 awg uses only resistors. The very fine wire works
well for very small power outputs and when you turn down
the output to the charge battery oscillation may sometimes
stop and start again.

If this occurs you will not get your battery charged properly.
For very fine wire I use more capacitance than just the coil
has to offer, across the resistor on the base.

The price for parts will be a few hundred.

The length of wire for an 18awg wire should be around 150 feet
while the length on a 20 awg wire will be 130 feet and a 22 awg
might be 100 feet, a 22 awg 80 feet, just generally. 24awg is
about 60 feet, you are correct.

My 14 awg coil should be 180 feet but I wound it at 130 feet
and it works okay.
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