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Old 01-16-2011, 01:16 PM
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Place a resistor of 220 - 460 ohms from your trans. base to your Pot. to protect your transistor from burnout!!
stargate22 two questions:
how many watts the resistance?
in the picture the neon bulb is connected to two negative polarity?
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For this little Fans and Wires there is a 5 Watt 10 Ohm resistor enough.
The 3055 can handle 7 Amps at the base, but lesser high voltage,
the target is, to bring the Voltage down, just have enough, that it gets triggered.
The Coils with usually 60-80 Ohms in this thin Wires create a higher Resistance,
that you can adjust your Pot at about 200 ohms and more.
That Base Resistor is only for, that you dont burn the Transistor when you turn the Potentionmeter back to Zero.
When you measure the Voltage between the C and Plus, you should usual find a higher Potential,
especially through a Diode as between Plus and Minus.
But only Potential, not amperage.
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Hi folks, Well that was a learning experience. It seems the large fan had all the 4 stators wound bifilar and were in series. Though since i could not get to the wires i had to rewind my own coils, which wasn't that difficult. The only problem is that i used 30 gauge wire and apparently that is not thin enough. Each series coil pair was 2.5 ohms, whereas a typical pc fan probably is 25 ohms per coil, so 50 ohms per coil pair. So this meant that my 30 gauge coils did not generate enough trigger voltage signal to fire the transistor, even though i also tried a darlington pair and still no luck.
So I dug up a few more fans from the old computer supply bin and found a nice smaller, 3" diameter blade, pc fan. This one did not have bifilar winds. So it started right up on 12 volts. Though at 12 volts the speed is a little low, though it draws 80 milliamps at 12 volts, that could be why. So i tried 24 volts and it really flies on 24 volts @ 150 milliamps and the transistor is stone cold. The fan is sticker rated at 12v, .14A. Haven't tried using the flyback yet, I'll see later today how that is.
Has anyone else rewound their stators and got it to work and if so, what gauge wire did you use, thanks.
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Hi folks, Well that was a learning experience. It seems the large fan had all the 4 stators wound bifilar and were in series. Though since i could not get to the wires i had to rewind my own coils, which wasn't that difficult. The only problem is that i used 30 gauge wire and apparently that is not thin enough. Each series coil pair was 2.5 ohms, whereas a typical pc fan probably is 25 ohms per coil, so 50 ohms per coil pair. So this meant that my 30 gauge coils did not generate enough trigger voltage signal to fire the transistor, even though i also tried a darlington pair and still no luck.
So I dug up a few more fans from the old computer supply bin and found a nice smaller, 3" diameter blade, pc fan. This one did not have bifilar winds. So it started right up on 12 volts. Though at 12 volts the speed is a little low, though it draws 80 milliamps at 12 volts, that could be why. So i tried 24 volts and it really flies on 24 volts @ 150 milliamps and the transistor is stone cold. The fan is sticker rated at 12v, .14A. Haven't tried using the flyback yet, I'll see later today how that is.
Has anyone else rewound their stators and got it to work and if so, what gauge wire did you use, thanks.
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I rewound one of the coils on the five inch fan kit from r-charge. That worked okay. but then one of the other coils had a short and burned out. I
have more wire to rewind it # 24. But Rick on the video said to use thinner gauge wire if possible and rewind all the coils. I burned out the transistors
MJL21194's when the other coil shorted. When I attempted 3 inch fans, the
first one was bifilar . The second was the exact one from the Imhotep video. It was glued together so strongly that I broke all the posts except one. Still
going to keep on trying. I was wondering what transistor you were using ? I
still have one good 2n3055 left if I ever get one of these fans set up properly.

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Hi FRC, I'm using a 2n3055 with a 150 ohm base resistor with 10kohm pot. It runs well at around that 150 ohms and if i turn the pot just a little, the fan shuts down. So it probably needs a 200 ohm or less base resistor.
I also checked continuity and polarity with a small magnet before i put it back together, learned my lesson from messing with that bigger fan. I'm sure I could get that 120mm fan working if I used a smaller gauge wire. That's why I'm surprised you got one to work with 24 gauge wire. That must be only like an ohm per coil pair.
I've been charging a 6 volt gel cell with the flyback, it's slow going, but charging nonetheless and giving me a nice breeze for air circulation.
It would be nice to get a little more speed at 12 volts. I notice theremart, in his video shown on imhotep's website, his is running very fast. I wonder if he is using 12 volts or not. Will be doing more tests and probably going to modify a few other old fans i have laying around.
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:26 AM
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Thanks for the info Skywatcher. I think I will try the five inch fan with the basic
circuit, maybe with 24 volts. The kit was meant to work with 24 volts anyway.
I just thought you had to have the two mjl21194's bigger diodes and resistors
with this particular fan. Those three inch fans are so hard to see into and work with. Its like you not only need a magnifying glass, you need a microscope.

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Angry Confusion

I'm more confused after reading this thread than before I began.
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Hi FRC, thanks for the reply, Ok so then maybe theremart was using 24 volts or he was using a cpu fan, which probably has a higher rpm.
So could you give more info on which fan worked with 24 gauge and any details, thanks. The small 3" fans are not that difficult to work on, though i must say i have a really bright light shining on the work area, so that helps and i'm not using a magnifier.

Hi RyanWiley100, maybe you could explain what you need help with and i'm sure any of us could help you.
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Old 01-17-2011, 09:42 AM
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Sorry it was not 24 gauge it must be 26 or 28 it was finer than 24. I had tried to wind the one coil with what must have been 18 because it was a lot thicker
but was not long enough (got it off an old transformer) Now I have replaced that coil with 24 that I bought. don't know if it will work but I have more turns.
The mismatching might just screw things up and maybe will have to rewind all the coils. But then I can get the a whole new 5 inch fan for $15.00 but would have to wait ordering it. The 5 inch fan I have been using is the one that came
with the 5 inch fan kit from r-charge.com used to be potentialtec.com (John
Bedini kits made by Rick Frederich).

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Ok, I rewound one of the coils with # 24 gauge and managed to break off one of the wires from another coil. So unwound that one. Rewound this one # 24 again so now even two of each. Put it back together, one set the motor works.
Other set does not. So if hooked up to circuit would get fan but no charging.
Current is going through coils that did not work. So does this mean that coil
was wound backwards instead of clockwise and has to be rewound?

Can anybody answer please

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Ok, I rewound one of the coils with # 24 gauge and managed to break off one of the wires from another coil. So unwound that one. Rewound this one # 24 again so now even two of each. Put it back together, one set the motor works.
Other set does not. So if hooked up to circuit would get fan but no charging.
Current is going through coils that did not work. So does this mean that coil
was wound backwards instead of clockwise and has to be rewound?

Can anybody answer please

FRC
Hi FRC, I think you might be right, wound the wrong way would attract I think. Maybe you can try tapping the wire's on a battery the other way around. see what happens. Don't hold the wire on there too long though. I'm not sure if it will require rewinding or if it can be used with the wire's reversed. Maybe someone else can say, i'm not certain.

Maybe you have a bad connection somehow, it took me a few go's to get the fan to work, did you bare the wire ends, I know from experience with my fan it was quite a challenge to solder the wire to the post without melting the plastic part of the stator the pin was mounted in. I'm not good with fine wire so it was frustrating for me, but worth it. I learned a lot from my little fan. Every now and then I let it work on a battery. If it weren't for what that little fan taught me I would be still buying batteries.

I hope someone else can give some idea's aswell.

Good luck.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:39 PM
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Thanks Farmhand

Thanks, I already tried switching polarities. This is a 5 inch fan I am working on
right now not the small three inch power supply ones. I have lots of those to try again. I think I will have to rewind again. I am pleased that I got it back working with just the two poles and the different mismatched gauge wire it still worked. It is just the charging poles I have to fix.

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Old 01-17-2011, 03:43 PM
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Lockridge

In the fan's current state it could work as a Lockridge setup if I could make a
small commutator with two sets of brushes.

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Tore the fan apart again and reconfigured the connections without rewinding the two coils
that were not working. Now everything works. Now just have to make another circuit and hook it up.

@ Skywatcher, that bigger fan you started with has a smaller set of coils than the one I have. The model I have is a Comair Botran model # 039730. Hope it works with just the one transistor basic Bedini circuit.

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Hi farmhand, thanks for jumping in here to help. Hi FRC, glad you got it working.
I'm not sure what you mean by, you have bigger coils, do you mean you have more wire or do you mean your wire gauge is bigger.
Also, i'm not sure what you mean by charging coils.
As far as i know and by the way i have my fan wired, we have one pair of drive power coils and one pair of trigger coils and then we take the flyback off the drive power coils to charge batteries.

I checked my 6volt lead acid gell cell today. It held its charge very well, while charging yesterday it was at 6.12 volts and today it is holding at 6.11-6.12 flipping between the two numbers. So it's definitely NOT a fluffy surface charge.
Though I'm going to guess it's probably better to charge a lower voltage battery off the flyback end.
So if using a 12volt, 7AH input battery, then I would use two 6volt, 7AH batteries in parallel to charge for best results.

Though a 12 volt on charge still seemed to charge, just not sure if it will end up being a fluffy charge, will have to test and see.
Also, i took apart another small 3" fan i had and it had a stator of one continuous winding, with 3 iron stators poles on top and 3 offset on bottom. I've never seen a geometry like that. Only problem is, i can't get the stator off and have already done minor damage to it trying to take it off.
I will be testing more with this other 3" fan. Also, I'm not sure how the lockridge device is supposed to work, since it seems so top secret here, nobody is sharing much details.
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Hi folks, I pulled out the stator from that 3" pc fan, though I had to break the plastic base it was on, though I can superglue it back in place.

Reason i had to break is because it has some kind of metal threaded tube sleeve that was keeping the stator iron pieces and coils from popping out.
Anyway, as you can see in the pic, it has one continuous bifilar coil and if you notice it has 3 stator poles on top and 3 stators poles on the bottom offset.
The fan is a SUNON 12volt and just says 2watts.
I wonder if this will work with the Bedini switching circuit, i think it could work. Let me know what you folks think.

Edit: and each coil is 33 ohms and seems to be a little thicker gauge than my other fan.



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Hi farmhand, thanks for jumping in here to help. Hi FRC, glad you got it working.
I'm not sure what you mean by, you have bigger coils, do you mean you have more wire or do you mean your wire gauge is bigger.
Also, i'm not sure what you mean by charging coils.
As far as i know and by the way i have my fan wired, we have one pair of drive power coils and one pair of trigger coils and then we take the flyback off the drive power coils to charge batteries.

I checked my 6volt lead acid gell cell today. It held its charge very well, while charging yesterday it was at 6.12 volts and today it is holding at 6.11-6.12 flipping between the two numbers. So it's definitely NOT a fluffy surface charge.
Though I'm going to guess it's probably better to charge a lower voltage battery off the flyback end.
So if using a 12volt, 7AH input battery, then I would use two 6volt, 7AH batteries in parallel to charge for best results.

Though a 12 volt on charge still seemed to charge, just not sure if it will end up being a fluffy charge, will have to test and see.
Also, i took apart another small 3" fan i had and it had a stator of one continuous winding, with 3 iron stators poles on top and 3 offset on bottom. I've never seen a geometry like that. Only problem is, i can't get the stator off and have already done minor damage to it trying to take it off.
I will be testing more with this other 3" fan. Also, I'm not sure how the lockridge device is supposed to work, since it seems so top secret here, nobody is sharing much details.
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I meant that whole coil assembly is much larger. From your picture of it, it
looks similar in size to the 3 inch fans. My wiring is not the same as the
Imhotep small fan setup. It is configured the way instructions were given
with the fan kit. 2 coils in series as trigger and the other 2 coils in series as
recovery. Hope that clears things up.

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I have only experimented in placing the output in parallel. And have not tried series yet, but it will be something I will be experimenting with in the future. I will also be trying a 12 volt solar cell I purchased from Harbor Freight and will be posting my results. I will be posting any results as I come to them. As far as charging batteries. I recently charged a Ni-MH AA for about 120 seconds and it lasted 10 hours in a small low current digital clock. It was a cold charge. Everyone's experience will probably vary so take your time and don't be afraid to experiment with charging times. Always take precautions and take a meter and monitor the charging process so you can be safe. I found that one fan running through a large cap, even this small of a fan had high voltage so be careful. But it seems to mirror the load i put it on, in other words if i put it on a 9volt battery it will drop down to the 9volts. I cant really explain why. Please post your results, I'm interested in everyones experience's and data. Ive had very good experiences with this thats why I tried to show how to build this quickly and inexpensively so everyone can try this and share data. As far as putting through a inverter and running a bank of batteries i have not tried that yet. You can charge a 12 volt battery and then take the battery off the fan and run a inverter, that i have tried and got 110. Its all a learning process so please feel free to experiment and let us all know your results. Again please be careful. We hooked this directly up to a small mp3 player and it took it out. So be careful what you connect to it. Luckily it was a junk mp3 player so no loss. But i have charged batteries and placed the batteries in other mp3 players and got the free energy through the charged battery. Its all a learning process and please keep us informed of your progress
Dear Imhotep or any person who will read my message!
I have one great idea, but I dont know exactly is it possible or no. That my question - Did somebody tried to connect two or more fans consistently, that get more voltage? My idea: if it possible to get 2 fans or more (self powered) and so we can buy car dc to ac inverter and use for PC (to supply with an energy). Will it work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDS9qk-Nw4M (this fan)
Yours faithfully Deniss (Estonia)
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Dear Imhotep or any person who will read my message!
I have one great idea, but I dont know exactly is it possible or no. That my question - Did somebody tried to connect two or more fans consistently, that get more voltage? My idea: if it possible to get 2 fans or more (self powered) and so we can buy car dc to ac inverter and use for PC (to supply with an energy). Will it work?
YouTube - Imhotep - Bedini Fan Project Part 1 (this fan)
Yours faithfully Deniss (Estonia)
We can get more voltage just by combining output. I don't know if there is a way to make them self running.
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Greetings All.

Thanks for the videos Imhotep.

I am not very clued up with electronics, but after watching your videos and another one by DadHav called High Voltage Without Power Supply and finally Understanding The Bedini Circuit by Introvertebrate, some thoughts popped into my head.

Please correct me if I am wrong. The Power Supply needs to be there for the motor to turn. In other words the circuit draws current from that supply. The Charger section charges as long as the Magnets pass the charger coils, regardless of how the motor was spun. In other words if there is no Power Supply, and you turn the motor with a Dremel or by hand, the Charger section supplies voltage to whatever it is connected to.

As Dadhav also showed, if he puts a capacitor in place of power for the Power Supply connections and he spins it with the dremel, it does charge the capacitor, but the capacitor will dicipate.

Now having looked at the Understanding the Bedini Circuit Video, I am not able to figure out if Berdini Circuit 1, can be the Power Supply (via the charge spike) for Bedini Circuit 2. (Do they shortcircuit in other words)

If it could work, the synchronisation to have both circuits running at the same time might find the equilibrium.

If this works, I have no idea what relation the charge spike has to the power supply. If the charge spike is less than the power supply, then it is a no go, but if it is more (as it increased when DadHav used the mosfet instead of a power supply, then it is an ever increasing voltage.

Alternatively, if one were to use capacitors that were fed by the other circuits charge spikes, would there be short circuiting?

If this can work, then we have discovered a perpetual motion machine that can supply voltage.

Another thing, is there a way to feed the secondary coil (the charge coils) so they have a power source while the magnet has passed them to get a spike out of those coils too?

Just a thought.

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Greetings All.
Another thing, is there a way to feed the secondary coil (the charge coils) so they have a power source while the magnet has passed them to get a spike out of those coils too?

Just a thought.

BlueMental.
Maybe somehow with a commutator arrangement. In one of the Rick Friedrich
videos for the Bedini fan kits 2 12v are used for for the primaries = 24v and for the charging side one 12v and another unmodified fan is in place of the second battery as a load. However, these kits use a more complex circuit than the Imhotep one, and an inverted circuit is also used to convert the
negative radiant charge to a positive one. But with the unmodified load fan
an additional small generator could probably be connected to it. Might be able to get a self running system out of it somehow.

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We can get more voltage just by combining output. I don't know if there is a way to make them self running.
Have you tried a self running system with your "Stingo motors" ? There should be some gains with those.

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Have you tried a self running system with your "Stingo motors" ? There should be some gains with those.

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Attempt to self charging reduce current draw to half but not negative. So, there is still missing keys for self running.

Increased source voltage already observed with broken battery. But once the battery get healthy, the effect no longer seen.
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Okay, so that is too complex for me to handle.

Here is a different angle. People are trying to get HHO self running systems, in other words the HHO cells are produce enough Hydrogen to run the generators, while the generators need to be powerful enough to keep the HHO cell running plus have extra left over for usage. (lights etc.)

The problem they are encountering is that the Generators are not strong enough to power an HHO setup that it's motors can run off.

So here is a question, what is the reverse torque of a Bendini Motor with no power source?

In other words, assuming the spikes can be converted into a usable form of current, how much kickback is there on the revolving stator? If it is much less per amp than it is with a conventional generator, then it would require a smaller generator to drive it. This in turn means that the power needed to run the HHO is less than would be needed for a bigger motor.

Thoughts please.

BlueMental.
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torque

There is not much torque on a Bedini SSG. A Bedini/Cole window motor does have lots of torque. By the sound of things, you should take a look at the Lockridge Device thread. The aim there is to build a self running motor/generator. That is what it sounds like you are interested in.

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ok im new to the forums, and new to electricty. but i know free electricity is more than possible. How bout implementing radio frequencies in your project. Some vids show adding a frequency gives much more power. i could be wrong, please correct me if i am. but this is something that i understood from the guy that built Coral Castle.
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They are here

There already are a lot of threads on this forum doing just that. "Joule ringer",
"This is it", "Bedini Ferris Wheel" just to name a few. Maybe not conventional
radio frequencies, but oscillation and resonance, and you could add in some
harmonics to that also.

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There already are a lot of threads on this forum doing just that. "Joule ringer",
"This is it", "Bedini Ferris Wheel" just to name a few. Maybe not conventional
radio frequencies, but oscillation and resonance, and you could add in some
harmonics to that also.

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Thank you very much. im gona keep searching. After reading some other threads too, i regret not paying as much attention in physics in school lol
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Don't know where to put this, so putting it here. Well it is fan related.

After three failed attempts, and many fried transistors, got
an SSG circuit to work. Received some new MLJ21194's in the
mail the other day(could not get them locally). My first attempts
were with the SSG Five inch fan kit.After rewinding the coils the
fan does work in pulse mode. Instead of using the circuit from the
kit, I made just the circuit on the Bedini Yahoo group page, without the 25ma bulb, and using a new MJL21194. It did not seem to work when hooked up to the five inch fan. Then I connected the coil (I also have the advanced SSG kit) up to the circuit and I could here the coil oscillate. Then I hooked up the fan to power leads from the coil, it sort of worked. Next I hooked the leads to smaller three inch unmodified computer fans and could get them to run with the right adjustment of the pot. Now the circuit seems to be working in solid state mode alone and is charging the charge battery. Can anyone comment on these results. I am happy to at least have some progress at last.

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Windings for two transistor Fan

Does anyone knows how to wind the stator coils if you want to use two transistors - just like the fan kits sold by Rick? I tried to do this by adding another power coil to my existing bifilar coil but no luck, the fan wont work if i use two transistors. i can only make it work if i use only one, BTW im using cap pulser with SCR and diode and also a manual battery swapper (just like Rick). the current draw of my one transistor fan is approx. 230ma but the output current going to the charge battery is only 10ma, this is why it charges the battery very slow. Any help appreciated. TIA
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Does anyone knows how to wind the stator coils if you want to use two transistors - just like the fan kits sold by Rick? I tried to do this by adding another power coil to my existing bifilar coil but no luck, the fan wont work if i use two transistors. i can only make it work if i use only one, BTW im using cap pulser with SCR and diode and also a manual battery swapper (just like Rick). the current draw of my one transistor fan is approx. 230ma but the output current going to the charge battery is only 10ma, this is why it charges the battery very slow. Any help appreciated. TIA
I do not understand " I tried to do this by adding another power coil to my existing bifilar coil but no luck " With the fan kits you just rewind the coils with a finer guage wire the way they were wound in the first place, or that is what the video says for the kit. Are you using the actual two transistor circuit from the fan kit ? Or is it some other two transistor setup ? Also
what size fan are you using ?

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