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Old 04-15-2019, 06:09 AM
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Since Gerard was kind enough to introduce us to the pump motors, I thought I might post a bit here about kind of a hybrid between what he has shown us, and what I have been working on. I built a test unit with ONE coil and the results were interesting enough that I wanted to build a bigger unit.

This is a generator based on the pump motor coils and what will eventually be a Matt Jones modified razor scooter motor run on a "potential difference" circuit. I built it with an off the shelf motor to get a baseline, and then will switch out the motors.

Additional coils could be added to use as "motor coils" instead of using the razor scooter motor, but when you use the "potential difference" circuit, you really DON'T need to worry about that, since better than 80% of the energy used to run the motor is recovered anyway.

These "U" shaped coils under load will speed the motor up. If you run a magnet across the END of the coils instead of BETWEEN the coils it will generate electricity, but will NOT speed up under load. I built this with six magnets on the rotor and 8 coils so that only TWO magnets at a time will have magnetic lock on the coil cores, which is important if you want your motor to have a chance of turning without drawing so many amps it lights on fire. It could pull as much as 30 amps on startup, so be aware of that if you are going to try something similar. I've burnt up a few razor scooter motors with similar setups.

Here's the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEY7CxYxF2Q

I have family business to take care of the next couple days, but should have this build finished on Monday and will be publishing data and results for those interested.

Dave

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Thank you for your contributions, you could put the link of the video again, to be able to observe your project
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Thank you for your contributions, you could put the link of the video again, to be able to observe your project
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Old 04-15-2019, 11:26 AM
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:40 AM
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"Gerard is now working on another motor generator combination that
has been much harder to complete. In this instance the setup needs
more than just a simple motor coupled up to a simple motor acting as
a generator. It requires expensive controllers and I say controllers
plural because everyone is struggling to find the best way.

Pulse DC or a modified sinewave or a pure sinwave? And then most of
what I can find is running at 12vdc to 36vdc that is inexpensive. Like
we see on electric E-bikes and scooters. Some as high as several hundred
dollars.

I know, I work on these washing machine motors for a living and you can't
find an easy circuit to power these pancake motors at the 120 volt AC
input rating that they are designed for.

"very well there are really many comments and proposals.
of all the projects it has not been easy to achieve without being able to work them and experience them."

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The projects of Gerard Morin, have raised a lot of attention, as it is commented in occasions presents advances, then it jumps to another thing, in short, it has us in expectation.
for the 36 poles engine has been shown different controllers, but none has reached 3600 rpm, if I mistake correigame and show the video, I have seen many replicas of that project with other experimenters and the maximum speed that have become 2000 rpm. using somewhat expensive drivers.
The bicycle controllers are low cost and low voltage and I have tested them on the 36 poles motor giving few rpm, missing more voltage.

1. In the network they presented a project on how to make a controller with arduino
http://www.free-energy-info.com/BuieMorin.pdf
where they give the data of the components and the program of arduino, there propose to feed the motor with 400 volts, when reviewing this project is the same as another one in the network for a brusless motor of 12 volts, the only thing that changes is the watts (5w) of the resistors of the motor sensors, but the value is the same 10k and 33k, here a doubt when feeding the motor with more voltage higher will be the voltage in the divider can burn the arduino, I wonder someone has already fact, I think I put hall field sensors.
2. - Another thing is that you can improve the magnetization of the engine to change the original magnet for the neodymium would have more torque and more speed, Mr. Gerard Morin has commented on one of his videos but it seems that It is very important, the conditions of the components can be improved.
3.- Some of the replica projects of the experimenters have been wound with another wire gauge tending some changes in the results.
4.- In the original project of Mr. Gerard Morin of the motor generator, it has an engine and generated with the same 36-pole motor, gives an example of use and recognizes that the 36-pole motor itself is not a generator, and that is the case.
5.- continues with the project with the realization of a generator inside the shell where the 36 poles motor is located, the generator is one of the standard, that is, one that works normally where the law of lenz is present, the motor It should have enough torque to give the voltage and amperage proposed.
6.- Proposal, because the motor does not better 36 poles, it is coupled to a generator with anti-lenz batteries, there are already several prototypes in the network of this type of generator, thus with this motor-generator combination without magnetic restriction.
7.- My appreciation for the work of Mr. Gerard Morin, for all his dedication to propose new forms of energy generation, all the comments exposed is to have a constructive dialogue, and invite to have proposals for the improvement of the designs of the prototypes.
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This is how easy and cheap it is. Two days waiting for the mail to run.
Using a 115vac input 1 ph and oil filled caps rating 230vac and you
will have to adjust or add capacitance (parallel) to balance all 3 legs.

Using an amp clamp add capacitors at the 3rd leg till each of the 3
wires has the same amount of current flowing (within reason) or close.

I do it all the time with 3 phase motors

Buy the 2nd link for $169 and it is already 3 phase, no cap needed.



https://www.automationdirect.com/adc...SABEgKnpPD_BwE

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuji-FRN000...QAAOSwA0JcfqxY





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BroMikey thanks for your kind response

some questions.
how many revolutions have you achieved
what you observe has already been tested with this controller in the network only one video user reached 2000 rpm
Gerard Morin has tested with the Anheim controller BSCKB1-120081 reaching 1600 rmp,
all those contoladores are fine, they are expensive, but if one wants to experiment he has to buy them.

the Fuji FRN0003C2S-6U comment that you have to put a capacitor or capacitor in the third line until you get equal currents in the lines, ok.
what shows the motor 42 poles and delta connection so, you can use any of the star or delta configurations as desired
thanks for your contributions
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:24 PM
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Those motors have a huge radius rotor so 2000rpm's may present
as much stress as a standard motor running at 6000rpm's. Better
watch out, these big flat motors are plastic and 24 or 36 pole motors
are designed for low low low rpm's. LOW. You start pushing these
motors up past the design limit, double and triple you are taking
your life in your own hands.

If you can find a steel drum that is not a flexible tin pan you might run
it up to several thousand rpm's safely for a few minutes. The metal hub
paykel sells is for a few hundred rpm's if I remember around 300-600max
for their clothes washer.

Even standard motors with a 1.5" radius on the rotor rated for 1750rpm
dare not to be driven up much past that range for very long periods. If
you run a 1750rpm motor at 3000rpm's it will vibrate and fly into
pieces before long. this is not so bad with a totally enclosed motor where
nothing is going to hit you when it explodes.


The Fischer/Paykel motors are not enclosed they have one end open

You may drive a motor like these at 155vdc at pulse using 2 amps or
so, this is how they are made. If you use a variable frequency drive
better known as a VFD you can take a cheap drive unit off the shelf
pushing the voltages and duty cycle and frequency way above the limits.

I hope no one ends up dead. With the right drive you could go to
4000rpm's but I don't think you would live thru it.

I saw a large factory using these motors as a power source to supply
current to their equipment. The rotor diameter was around 3.5feet and
the steel hub had been turned by a huge lathe and looked to be 1/2"
thick. They were not using extreme speeds. These motors are high
torque delivery units.

Using neo magnets with require that you replace the stator core material
with ceramic iron dust and change the coil configuration which may need
double the size due to saturation problems. Or increasing the gap could
bring you back to the ferrite range again defeating it's purpose.
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If this is the case, if you want to revolutionize them, you have to change the plastic of the rotor and stator by metal, this is what Gerard Morin sells,
and if more speed has problems and can be very risky, with 1500 rpm at 2000 rpm you can already move some generators that many do in the network

What was understood from Gerard's video is that he proposes or proposed 3600 rpm to move a conventional generator, and that he was waiting for the manufacture or find a controller that would achieve this speed, but it seems that he already realized that neither electrically and mechanically it is possible, as in this case, as BroMikey mentions about the characteristics of engines and their speed.

if the controller with the motor consumes some 2 amps. at a voltage of 220 volts, 440 watts of consumption, because you can put a wind turbine of 1500 watts or any other that works at 600 or 1000 rpm, easy moves it and
you already have profit.
well somehow you have to take advantage of what you have of this engine.

I'll see which generator I attach
Thanks BroMikey for the recommendations
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Hello BroMikey

You recommended these controllers

https://www.automationdirect.com/adc...SABEgKnpPD_BwE
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fuji-FRN000...QAAOSwA0JcfqxY

ok, I already reviewed them

I have seen this too

DELIXI CDI-EM60G2R2S2B 2.2kw 220V AC Drive VFD with Brake Unit

https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...748670415.html

I would like to know your valuation of this one that I am showing, it is more economical and more powerful
can you please give a revised and give me your opinion please.
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ok, I already reviewed them

I have seen this too

DELIXI CDI-EM60G2R2S2B 2.2kw 220V AC Drive VFD with Brake Unit

https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...748670415.html

I would like to know your valuation of this one that I am showing, it is more economical and more powerful
can you please give a revised and give me your opinion please.
Excellent, be careful. Most of those motors run at only 155v
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Here are the power readings.

220v and .5amp and he is over 1000 rpm's USING A METAL HUB and
A METAL DRUM and a METAL bearing housing hot off the machine shop.

If you ran your washing machine at 1000 rpm's to spin clothes out it
would explode and go thru the wall. Well the old ones couldn't do it
maybe the new one can that are direct drive.

So let's just say 1100 for the new ones is pushing the envelop and at
220v you might go higher to say 1500rpm's. Tell Gerard they make
460v units but be ready to die from flying debris

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