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Old 10-25-2015, 04:21 PM
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I guess i was wrong, i just found scientific proof that we can manipulate spacetime.
Here is a clip from a guy living next to Gerard Morin's house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wiHN5xPUA

All you non believers please proof this video is fake.
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[QUOTE=BroMikey;281477]Pancake motor generators video shows no external connections.

Also use a large flywheel Gerard.

well the hub is made thick as a flywheel is.




Why not use a Tesla turbine, Tesla homopolar generator or a unipolar motor as a flywheel?
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Old 10-25-2015, 08:44 PM
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Here is a fella who has built a motor and a generator with magnets

that is all one piece back 20 years ago. Just a 2 minute clip. He was

threatened, his patents were stalled till none of his work ever surfaced.

Listen to him as he talks enthusiastically how his invention will be hitting

the market.

He also describes how he built his magnetic motor genny so as to

eliminate all cogging of the magnets. I suspect some form of cancellation

is at work.

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Motor generator power amplification system sweet!!




First, let me say that we ran this for hours earlier. We checked all the voltages, 240 volts from each leg. off the generator. He was leaving and I asked him if he wanted to do a video, he said sure but he really needed to go.. We had no time to hook up all the meters again. Wyatt and I tested that machine all morning with our own meters. The load is the motor on the floor.
I realize the video was short and no volt meters were on it but I got what I got before he left. He was tired and didn't want to do it anyway.
He will be back and when we do it again it will be done right. If it's a scam Wyatt and I don't see it nor could I disprove what he showed us.
It's modeled after an amplidyne 404 Not Found...
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It is clear on the video that the clamp meter is set to read AC Amperes. There does not appear to be a setting on that meter for DC Amperes. This is not uncommon because the method and hardware in the instrument is quite different between AC and DC detection and DC is more costly so cheaper meters often do not include DC Ampere capability.



You can see the selector dial set to 66 A~. That means 66 Amperes AC full range. You can also see AC on the left side of the meter's viewing screen confirming it is set to AC.

When he clamps around the battery cable, the meter isn't lying, it is simply reading the AC component of the current in the wire or ripple and not the DC Amperes. The instrument appears to be working properly. It is an operator error; using the incorrect instrument. citfta explains this in his post.



It would be interesting to know more about these guys and why you appear to trust them yet discredit universities so often, even later in that post.

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After revisiting the vid, the picture you have provided is correct since he is reading AC... I have checked the difference it can make to read DC or AC on a DC output and that level of power is not so disparate compare to reel DC reading..
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I have checked the difference it can make to read DC or AC on a DC output and that level of power is not so disparate compare to reel DC reading..
Hi peper10,

I do not understand what "that level of power is not so disparate compare to reel DC reading" means. Can you reword that?

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Here we go again, just gotta pet everyone or they are falling apart.
No you are not sharing, or you would have already done it.

More strategy.

The Motor Generator systems are not new so stop attacking Gerard
and all of the name calling that goes with it. Sure I get irate when
folks speak condescendingly.

You got a bone to pick or a subject to bring out, say on but stop
all of this puckering up. Chin up. There now I gotcha!!!!!!

Come on Ben show me what you got.
Now look at this again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBiIkdsCErA
HITBY 13KW surely knows how to do proper measurements.
This guy also knows what he is doing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ucFJJGSmc

BTW do you still have these transformers and the 'very special OU generator'??
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I have been following Mr. Morin's builds as shown in his youtube videos. And I am trying to replicate his motor. I have acquired a washing machine motor that is similar shown in Mr. Morin's videos. I want to put the same sensor he is using in his motor. And he said he is using an ATS 177 sensor. But when I searched on line, I could see at least 4 different listings: ATS177-PG-A-B, ATS177-PL-B-A, ATS177-PG-B-B, ATS177-WL-7-B. Does someone know which one of these sensors Mr. Morin is referring to, or is it something I did not list here all together. Thank you very much in advance.
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I have been following Mr. Morin's builds as shown in his youtube videos. And I am trying to replicate his motor. I have acquired a washing machine motor that is similar shown in Mr. Morin's videos. I want to put the same sensor he is using in his motor. And he said he is using an ATS 177 sensor. But when I searched on line, I could see at least 4 different listings: ATS177-PG-A-B, ATS177-PL-B-A, ATS177-PG-B-B, ATS177-WL-7-B. Does someone know which one of these sensors Mr. Morin is referring to, or is it something I did not list here all together. Thank you very much in advance.
Mr Morin isn't the answering type of guy, nor is bro-mickey.
Best of luck
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I have been following Mr. Morin's builds as shown in his youtube videos. And I am trying to replicate his motor. I have acquired a washing machine motor that is similar shown in Mr. Morin's videos. I want to put the same sensor he is using in his motor. And he said he is using an ATS 177 sensor. But when I searched on line, I could see at least 4 different listings: ATS177-PG-A-B, ATS177-PL-B-A, ATS177-PG-B-B, ATS177-WL-7-B. Does someone know which one of these sensors Mr. Morin is referring to, or is it something I did not list here all together. Thank you very much in advance.

Hey Green

I'll have to go back and look at the name of that company that Gerard
ordered a controller from but anyway that company told him to use a

number that didn't work. Gerard had to move it over 15 poles I think it

was. I work on these household washers at my business here are some
hall sensorswasher motor sensor | eBay


That is all that they are. And as far as your circuit type is concerned you
have not listed one so this makes it impossible to determine compatibility.

It's not really a big problem getting them to run on almost any sensor if
you experiment a little. Unless you can recreate the original circuit, trial and
error is your best solution.

All of the new smart drive circuitry is of course proprietary. You will get
no where calling an engineer at those firms. However common sense
dictates that certain hall effects sensors existing on the open market
have a general use listed in their sales literature or simple go buy the
rated values listed say at DIGIKEY or MOUSER or NEWARK...........
you get the idea.

Ratings such as voltage, frequency will leave you with very few to chose
from. The link I posted is off ebay.
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Now look at this again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBiIkdsCErA
HITBY 13KW surely knows how to do proper measurements.
This guy also knows what he is doing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ucFJJGSmc

BTW do you still have these transformers and the 'very special OU generator'??
What is the question? Go back a few posts and you will see Marc talking
about these setups. He has one also and has gotten 4X out of his.

Something about having changed the grounding arrangement but most
folks don't feel safe doing that. So it is not an above board
recommendation unless you have are a very advanced engineering
specialist.

Same with all HV. The answers are there, I refuse to bottle feed
nubees
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BroMikey, Thanks for the reply. I actually have not bought a speed controller just yet. In fact that is one of my questions. By now, you can tell I do not know very little about controllers and matching sensors. But I can tell you, I will be involved by experimenting on my own. And your sharing your knowledge will be a tremendous help to me. So my next question is, how do you choose or what do you look for in a speed controller? Thanks again.
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BroMikey, Thanks for the reply.
My pleasure

Basically any 3 channel PWM circuit. Circuits for washers are designed
for delivering bookoo power and are set to one frequency and one voltage.

What we need in the most advanced setup is a Variac fed 120vac 60HZ
send that to a bridge rectifier, then on to 3 separate PWM circuits that
have frec adjust as well as duty cycle. Use a 3 stage pot for each
control so all 3 circuit can be throttled together.

Not so easy.

That is the way it is best done to explore the full potential of those
pancake motors. As far as finding a plug and play, the first thing you
see on ebay are those high dollar VFD or "Variable"--"Frequency"--"Drive"

Find a 120vac VFD and this is better in some respects because a PWM
is only pulsed DC where the VFD is a pulsed DC above and below the zero
line. Like a darlington circuit does. Also known as a ZVS.

The problem with a standard VFD is that they don't move on frec's
very far at all, something like 400hz center line and up and down a few
like 50hz + or-, not really sure but they don't move far.

There is more to look at than people think. You need a modified sine
wave which is better to run winding than a pulsed DC normally.

Another brain storm brings forth the best of the best, a 3 Phase

H-Bridge Mosfet module controlled by a 3 phase controller.

Some where along the line a feedback loop to the controller is setup

to regulate current so a run away condition does not damage the motor.

Also don't forget your personal safety, then also the motor stability under

varying loads.
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So my next question is, how do you choose or what do you look for in a speed controller? Thanks again.
Hi,
You could take a look on CAPTAINSSBN work. He is working on that, maybe you could find somethingh there. He's an very experienced constructor.

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I really appreciate the responses to my inquiry about speed controllers and sensors. I appreciate all of you who are willing to share your knowledge and information with me. I will continue to monitor this forum for more specific information and helps for my quest to replicate Mr. Morin's motor. For the meantime, back to work. Thanks again BroMikey and Podova.
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You could take a look on CAPTAINSSBN work. He is working on that, maybe you could find somethingh there. He's an very experienced constructor.

regards
Awesome redirect(LINK), I love these guys who really know their beans.

His says this.

I just ordered the new HV version PCB's from China. Hopefully this new design will work. The LV PCB's work great but are designed for a smaller motor running between 18 and 36 VDC. This new version will require an additional power supply upto 160VDC. This new design is based on the data sheet for the MC33033 fig 24 and 29 are added to the original schematic. Fig 29 shows the implementation of the Boost circuitry which allows the TOP FET's to switch do to the Boost voltage being added to the HV 160 VDC power supply. To get the FET to fire you need a difference of potential between the gate and source that is around 10vdc. The boost circuit does this by using the HV vdc as the reference voltage, Their is a DC blocking cap in the boost circuit which prevent the HV DC from burning up the Osc IC.
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An Audio Eng. friend gave me this circuit. He built 3 of these into
one box for me, years back. I could have done it but he was off
work and I was pressed.

I have more on this if you want to build it. You can go clear to 300v
with this bad boy. It has no feedback loop. It is just a 3 channel pulsed
DC or 3 PWM's each having an adjustable frequency and duty.

TL594 generator----Driver section----to Fets.



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What is the question? Go back a few posts and you will see Marc talking
about these setups. He has one also and has gotten 4X out of his.

Something about having changed the grounding arrangement but most
folks don't feel safe doing that. So it is not an above board
recommendation unless you have are a very advanced engineering
specialist.

Same with all HV. The answers are there, I refuse to bottle feed
nubees
I won't swallow anything you're trying to feed me.

I looked through all posts, but didn't see a claim of 4 times OU.
I just don't understand that if you have a system that gives 4 time OU, you spend your time on other projects. I would start my electricity company and get f****king rich. Or just start doing the right things with it.
I don't think Gerard produced anything worth replicating and I feel sorry for those guys like Marc, that invested so much money in it. You won't spend a dime on these Gerard ideas, just a lot of blablabla.
you're Like a fart in a bus: cause a lot of commotion, but all that remains is a nasty memory.

bye
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Here we see an advance school boys version of a brushless magnet motor.

This is a basic understanding of how a brushless motor can be run off of

low voltages using an RC controller called an "ESC"

Once we can see how easy it is to run a motor with no brushes in it

maybe we could move forward. All of my scooters need new motors

because the brushes burned up. The schools are not teaching the

people what we need so each of us will have to learn on his or her own

what is needed to get the job done.

Once the youth break out of this plot against them, nothing will be

impossible.

Getting dirty and moving in the right direction.




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Obviously you didn't bother to look it up.

you're dead right about that. Inaccurate and IMHO you suffer from very serious tunnel vision, prejudice and parroting.

Proper measurements done by HITBY are discarded simply because they don't match with the ideas of Guru Gerard.
"I See" you are a trouble maker, trying to drive a wedge between me and HITBY

I don't trust you and never will. You are a twister. I am not going to

feed you contentions. Hitby did not have complete instructions for

separate grounding and I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't try that

experiment.

As for you I have already said it. Your interaction with me has just crossed

the line. You are not offering anything of value, just infighting and

suggestive. This makes you an enemy of the true intention of this thread

and the search beyond the dogma.

So there we have it, it's your dogma or mine?

So let the people judge.
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Here we see an advance school boys version of a brushless magnet motor.

This is a basic understanding of how a brushless motor can be run off of

low voltages using an RC controller called an "ESC"

Once we can see how easy it is to run a motor with no brushes in it

maybe we could move forward. All of my scooters need new motors

because the brushes burned up. The schools are not teaching the

people what we need so each of us will have to learn on his or her own

what is needed to get the job done.

Once the youth break out of this plot against them, nothing will be

impossible.

Getting dirty and moving in the right direction.
According to mr Tesla there no such thing as a DC motor. (see page 10 of "inventions of Nicola Tesla")
What this guy made is a permanent magnet AC motor. It's a 3 fase synchronous AC motor.

I don't understand why people connect Tesla with DC machines.
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According to mr Tesla there no such thing as a DC motor. (see page 10 of "inventions of Nicola Tesla")
What this guy made is a permanent magnet AC motor. It's a 3 fase synchronous AC motor.

I don't understand why people connect Tesla with DC machines.
I'm not any good as quotes on Tesla so if you are I am all ears.

Talk to us about motors and how Tesla's method of conversion

should be if you know that one. I saw a UFO video here recently

that compares Tesla setup with the motor generator? Yeah the video

showed how UFO has his Async Motor thread motor is just like that.


I am new to complete details. I know it can be done is something you

will always here me say even if I don't know everything about

everything.


I an earlier post you claimed I was not accurate and you may be correct.
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I won't swallow anything you're trying to feed me.

I looked through all posts, but didn't see a claim of 4 times OU.
I just don't understand that if you have a system that gives 4 time OU, you spend your time on other projects. I would start my electricity company and get f****king rich. Or just start doing the right things with it.
I don't think Gerard produced anything worth replicating and I feel sorry for those guys like Marc, that invested so much money in it. You won't spend a dime on these Gerard ideas, just a lot of blablabla.
you're Like a fart in a bus: cause a lot of commotion, but all that remains is a nasty memory.

bye
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I also feel sorry for the people who invest their time and money in trying to replicate something that is so obviously not working.

To anybody who has no knowledge please be quite and sit on the fence like you have been doing all your life and just watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY

The generator he is using generates radiation not electricity! no wonder the replications are not working. This is technology patented by Nicolas Teslar in 1886. Radiation is something that appears and disappears when you turn it of. Think about tuning into all that stuff. Each house could have it's own electricity. Why are we paying for electricity? We have been ripped of for at least 130 years. Just replicate this and proof us wrong. Just proof that cold radiation does not exist. We life in a world with cold radiation all around us.
Mind boggling technology, it's not about multiplication but about amplification.

There was always only one Jesus one John Lennon one Gerard Morrin.
Stop waisting your time and become one of them.
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I'm not any good as quotes on Tesla so if you are I am all ears.

Talk to us about motors and how Tesla's method of conversion

should be if you know that one. I saw a UFO video here recently

that compares Tesla setup with the motor generator? Yeah the video

showed how UFO has his Async Motor thread motor is just like that.


I am new to complete details. I know it can be done is something you

will always here me say even if I don't know everything about

everything.


I an earlier post you claimed I was not accurate and you may be correct.
Hell yes.
After all the **** you gave me and so many other positive and willing guys.

Read Tesla's work, get some basic training and start thinking for your self.
I am not going to bottle feed you, I think you are an ignorant and arrogant fool.
Hiding behind the big names but never taking the time to actually read their work and try to understand it.

Hint: If you want to know how to avoid the BEMF, read Tesla's description on his bifilar coil and how he improved the efficiency of his AC motors.
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Not one phrase or fact that helps anyone.
That is a good and complete resume of this 26 page thread.

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Give me real facts.
And that is what everyone is waiting for....


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He quotes bedini and then says he didn't do it like Bedini, he says the

word stargate and then says he doesn't built it the same.

It is his baby and no one can do it like he does. One Man.

He doesn't know what to call it. It is a magnet motor and magnet

generator. He says he found the happy spot for each motor so they

work together.









Let the cowboys ride!!!


Against the wind, he'll be runnin against the wind!!!



Man over board. Mutiny is a way of life

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And BTW N. Tesla had both AC and DC conversion machines so your

misquote of Tesla that there is such thing as a DC motor is as wrong

as your whole delivery is. Give me real facts.

You had better be quiet while you are ahead.
Obviously you didn't bother to look it up.


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10 INVENTIONS OF NIKOLA TESLA.
with closed conductors, synchronizing motors, and rotating field
transformers :
The subject which I now have the pleasure of bringing to
your notice is a novel system of electric distribution and transmission
of power by means of alternate currents, affording peculiar
advantages, particularly in the way of motors, which I am
confident will at once establish the superior adaptability of these
currents to the transmission of power and will show that many
results heretofore unattainable can be reached by their use ; results
which are very much desired in the practical operation of
such systems, and which cannot be accomplished by means of
continuous currents.
Before going into a detailed description of this system, I think
it necessary to make a few remarks with reference to certain conditions
existing in continuous current generators and motors,
which, although generally known, are frequently disregarded.
In our dynamo machines, it is well known, we generate alternate
currents which we direct by means of a commutator, a complicated
device and, it may be justly said, the source of most of
the troubles experienced in the operation of the machines. Now,
the currents so directed cannot be utilized in the motor, but
they must again by means of a similar unreliable device
be reconverted into their original state of alternate currents.^
The function of the commutator is entirely external, and in no
way does it affect the internal working of the machines. In
reality, therefore, all machines are alternate current machines,
the currents appearing as continuous only in the external circuit
during their transit from generator to motor.
In view simply of
this fact, alternate currents would commend themselves as a more
direct application of electrical energy, and the employment of
continuous currents would only be justified if we had dynamos
which would primarily generate, and motors which would be
directly actuated by, such currents.
But the operation of the commutator on a motor is twofold ;
first, it reverses the currents through the motor, and secondly,
it effects automatically, a progressive shifting of the poles of one
of its magnetic constituents. Assuming, therefore, that both of
the useless operations in the systems, that is to say, the directing
of the alternate currents on the generator and reversing the direct
currents on the motor, be eliminated, it would still be necessary,
in order to cause a rotation of the motor, to produce a progressive
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:40 AM
Ben2503 Ben2503 is offline
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keep going

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You and Benny are two pea's in a pod. Sittin around criticizing with

no experiment or device. Just telling everyone else how wrong they

are because it doesn't fit your evaluation. When are the people ever

going to realize that all it takes is one man?

One man without the dogma, that does not fit in and play nice by

university standards. One man who can make it work regardless of

what it is because he is not a quitter.

The last few video's shows how people are learning. One man told

you about his data but if he doesn't show you then you won't

believe him anyway. If he shows you that is doesn't work by the

meter you all shake your heads yes, because you are yes men.


If he shows you it works by the meter you will have a thousand reasons

why it just isn't possible. Don't you ever see yourselves? You have

made up your minds that it isn't possible.


Facts in the form of meter reading is not the only data available to us.

What about men showing video of working machines, such as the

dynoflux? Or many many others that are patented and have been well

documented for decades.


But all you guys see is your disbelief. This is because you were born

this way, you can never see that "All things are possible" to them that

know about the source of energy.


John Bedini talks about what happened to him when his motor/gen was

being reviewed by multiple engineers. These so called lying dogs posing

as thinking men made off with some of the parts to the apparatus so

the device would no longer function. This is who YOU are. You and those

just like you.


Open your minds instead of your mouths that always expresses your

inability to perceive beyond the dogma. Throw out your mind for awhile

that has been overcome through indoctrination and start thinking with

your desire to excel beyond the dogma.


Break free today, right now. But how could you do that? I know,

I know it just can't be done, I know , I heard ya the first time.

It just isn't possible.


When people do get it working they are smart enough to keep some

of the info to themselves or hide it in the thread so you won't see it

while it is right under your nose. It just isn't possible, right?


Here is one of the best pancake motors around, enjoy the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2H51bMg5V8

Watch the meter, watch the meter, now do you see it as possible? Yeah?

Naw, just more excuses and dogma. See the young man runnin against the wind?

Let the cowboys ride!!!

He quotes bedini and then says he didn't do it like Bedini, he says the

word stargate and then says he doesn't built it the same.

It is his baby and no one can do it like he does. One Man.

He doesn't know what to call it. It is a magnet motor and magnet

generator. He says he found the happy spot for each motor so they

work together.









Let the cowboys ride!!!


Against the wind, he'll be runnin against the wind!!!



Man over board. Mutiny is a way of life

I didn't find the pancake, probably you made the same mistake as scratch robot.

Again and again. Lot of claims but no decently measured proof.
I really would like to see the measurements of the Chas Campbell machine. As for the others:
The German guy says in this video that the capacitor bank needs adjustment.
Matrix Le writes in his comment that he is approaching OU.

Keep going Mickey, I am quite sure you will hit the real OU one someday
But don't expect it from Guru Morin
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Old 10-31-2015, 09:50 AM
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Dogma?

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Originally Posted by BroMikey View Post
You and Benny are two pea's in a pod. Sittin around criticizing with

no experiment or device. Just telling everyone else how wrong they

are because it doesn't fit your evaluation. When are the people ever

going to realize that all it takes is one man?

One man without the dogma, that does not fit in and play nice by

university standards. One man who can make it work regardless of

what it is because he is not a quitter.
Dogmatic, we all are.
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At the turn of the 17th century, dogma entered English from the Latin term meaning “philosophical tenet.” The Greek word from which it is borrowed means “that which one thinks is true,” and comes ultimately from the Greek dokeîn, which means “to seem good” or “think.”
The origin of the word dogma acts as a reminder to English speakers that now established principles and doctrines were once simply thoughts and opinions of ordinary people that gained popularity and eventually found their way into the universal consciousness of society. Twentieth-century American academic and aphorist Mason Cooley concisely observed that “Under attack, sentiments harden into dogma,” suggesting that dogma is spawned as a defensive act. This idea implies that for every dogma that exists, there is a counter dogma. With so many “truths” out there, there is sure to be a dogma to conveniently fit every set of beliefs.
and this fits YOU 100%

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a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted
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Old 11-02-2015, 03:36 PM
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Ben

As i have tried some of Mr. Morins work and have not been able to reproduce what is claimed . At best i could get about 20% effi. with the RF pump device and could never see OU in anyway with it . I wrote Mr. Morin an Email and asked if it is i miss understand what it is he has to soy . But i didn't get a reply , maybe it is that he is very busy and has no time . So if that's the case i understand . I also posted the same question here and got no answer from any other replicator of this device . I see many that have built it but none with proper readings . I myself did also make mistaken readings that lead me to believe it was an OU device but later corrected my readings and also posted it on this forum in this thread.

If some one has proof , and i mean with reading that they did themselves and can tell how we can repeat them then i am willing to listen . As i am sure many would also pay attention , but to make claims with no way to back them up is just a wast of mine and others time .

I do not call Mr. Morin a fake and the jury is not in just yet on what he has to say . But he needs to supply better readings with info so that it can be reproduced as this is what it is that he wishes to do . AT least that is what i get from all of his videos, and i have watched them all.

There is no inf o yet presented to give viable proof of what is claimed , if there is and i can reproduce it i will be his biggest supporter .


Jeff
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