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Old 12-15-2014, 03:02 AM
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Stan Meyer True Replications

Ronnie Walker and Neal Ward have teamed up to bring you True replicated Stan Meyer Circuit Boards. Check it out if you are interested.

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Old 12-21-2014, 01:37 AM
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Good stuff Neal

Some links are broken on that site. I'm also assuming that there is a 'lead time' (assuming you build/assemble the units per order) for orders.

Any recommendations on the best (most efficient) cell design?

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Old 12-23-2014, 10:47 AM
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Ronnie Walker and Neal Ward have teamed up to bring you True replicated Stan Meyer Circuit Boards. Check it out if you are interested.

www.stanmeyerreplications.net
Without showing reliable results it may be one of dozens of replication efforts not fitting to end usersīs expectations.
The link you posted doesnīt give answers to the hard facts of usability and efficiency.

I have to buy it before I definitely know about that?

Is there a data sheet?

Iīm a bit shocked to see you posting Stan Meyerīs original boards as pics in your product sales area. You donīt sell them. How can you post them nevertheless?

Customers will be irritated and wonīt get what you are telling them ...

And itīs expensive: ~$130 for 2 populated boards of how many total?
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Interesting website. Your user i.d. says "hydrofuelincanada". I'm in Canada too. I'm in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Where in Canada are you located?


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Old 01-06-2015, 01:43 AM
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I've been to his shop. Real down to earth kinda guy who genuinely wants to do some good.

He showed me one of his HHO cells and the cutting power with the torch he made. The size and length of the flame was quite impressive.

When I get a chance I'll drop by his shop and see if he has any units to see. I don't have much cash but I'd be willing to drop a few bills no problem if I could see the unit in action.

I like the way he's doing business. Raising money by actually building/selling units. I think anyone can appreciate that more than just taking hand outs without anything to show for it.

This is what Neal has been up to, and should serve as more than enough proof of what can be expected with the boards he's selling.

What I would be interested in, would be an adaptation of arduino logic boards; just build a board that easily connects to an arduino PIC, with the code to back everything up. My guess is that the whole unit could be downsized to a third or less of what Stan had. It would also be far cheaper as arduinos are going for a couple bucks a piece from China.
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:47 PM
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This is what Neal has been up to, and should serve as more than enough proof of what can be expected with the boards he's selling.

What I would be interested in, would be an adaptation of arduino logic boards; just build a board that easily connects to an arduino PIC, with the code to back everything up. My guess is that the whole unit could be downsized to a third or less of what Stan had. It would also be far cheaper as arduinos are going for a couple bucks a piece from China.
What you see from Neal is brute force electrolysis known for 100 years. Nothing new, nothing sophisticated. Stan Meyerīs system worked totally different. Brute force electrolysis is not energy efficient but Stan Meyerīs approach was.

You are correct: Modern microcontroller boards are much more powerful than those old fashioned boards. Replications the old fashioned way exist because those guys canīt program state-of-the-art technology like microcontroller and fpgas.
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This is what Neal has been up to, and should serve as more than enough proof of what can be expected with the boards he's selling.

What I would be interested in, would be an adaptation of arduino logic boards; just build a board that easily connects to an arduino PIC, with the code to back everything up. My guess is that the whole unit could be downsized to a third or less of what Stan had. It would also be far cheaper as arduinos are going for a couple bucks a piece from China.
What you see from Neal is brute force electrolysis known for 100 years. Nothing new, nothing sophisticated. Neal canīt create that much gas needed in realtime from his carīs ressources without burning conventional fuel. so his add-ons are supportive, but not self-sustaining.

Stan Meyerīs system worked totally different. Brute force electrolysis as Neal demonstrates is not energy efficient but Stan Meyerīs approach was.

You are correct: Modern microcontroller boards are much more powerful than those old fashioned boards. Replications the old fashioned way exist because those guys canīt program state-of-the-art technology like microcontrollers and FPGAs.
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What you see from Neal is brute force electrolysis known for 100 years. Nothing new, nothing sophisticated. Neal canīt create that much gas needed in realtime from his carīs ressources without burning conventional fuel. so his add-ons are supportive, but not self-sustaining.

Stan Meyerīs system worked totally different. Brute force electrolysis as Neal demonstrates is not energy efficient but Stan Meyerīs approach was.

You are correct: Modern microcontroller boards are much more powerful than those old fashioned boards. Replications the old fashioned way exist because those guys canīt program state-of-the-art technology like microcontrollers and FPGAs.
You seem quite sure of yourself that Neal is using brute force electrolysis. I haven't examined his system but even just observing it for a short period, I wouldn't make such a claim.
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Old 01-12-2015, 09:17 AM
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You seem quite sure of yourself that Neal is using brute force electrolysis. I haven't examined his system but even just observing it for a short period, I wouldn't make such a claim.
I saw it in his video driving an ideling motor. the components used could be clearly seen. brute force electrolysis, no magic ...
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I saw it in his video driving an ideling motor. the components used could be clearly seen. brute force electrolysis, no magic ...
How do you know though? Unless you've examined piece by piece... There have been plenty of brute force electrolysis conversions anyways. The cost of the stainless steel to be replaced every few months is probably a drop in the bucket for the fuel saved. (well maybe not so much with todays fuel prices...)
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:41 PM
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How do you know though? Unless you've examined piece by piece... There have been plenty of brute force electrolysis conversions anyways. The cost of the stainless steel to be replaced every few months is probably a drop in the bucket for the fuel saved. (well maybe not so much with todays fuel prices...)
quite easy ...

being skilled in the art I can identify the components shown.
probably Neal has read these posts and he would correct if brute force were wrong.

IMO there is not a single completely working system operating on high voltage published right now and so Neal would make it public if he had it running.

quite reasonable.
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How do you know though? Unless you've examined piece by piece... There have been plenty of brute force electrolysis conversions anyways. The cost of the stainless steel to be replaced every few months is probably a drop in the bucket for the fuel saved. (well maybe not so much with todays fuel prices...)
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Neal has already proven he can run a engine with brute force hho with LPG injectors, and you can see this in his video here.. WATER POWERED CAR !!! - YouTube
gpssonar tells, that Neal used brute force in the video indeed.
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Hi Guys.
I am very interested in building/replicating Stan's WFC. I believe it's the best OU system invented.
Being an electrical engineer, I have searched the internet for some data with respect to the required resonance frequency of Stan's cell. I need that in order to be able to calculate the self induction of the choke coils.

Does anybody have an idea about the required resonance frequency, or the actual values of the inductors used and the capacitance of the cells used?

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Old 10-03-2015, 11:17 AM
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Hi Guys.
I am very interested in building/replicating Stan's WFC. I believe it's the best OU system invented.
Being an electrical engineer, I have searched the internet for some data with respect to the required resonance frequency of Stan's cell. I need that in order to be able to calculate the self induction of the choke coils.

Does anybody have an idea about the required resonance frequency, or the actual values of the inductors used and the capacitance of the cells used?

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Hi Ben,
I have been doing work in this area for awhile now and it would be a good idea to research work done by irondmax -
Irondmax - Open Source Projects

Theres lots to learn look at all the interviews that he done which can be found on youtube.

There wasn't a specific frequency that he used it tuned itself in up to around 15khz.
The main thing about what Stan was doing is that he was using the plates as a capacitor by his intensifier circuit.
I have so far been unable to do this as the plates create a short.
I believe his intensifier circuit was the key to achieving this though.

At the moment I'm trying to develop my own water fuel cell as best as I can through things I've picked up along the way and my own experimentation.
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Old 10-03-2015, 10:13 PM
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Hi Guys.
I am very interested in building/replicating Stan's WFC. I believe it's the best OU system invented.
Being an electrical engineer, I have searched the internet for some data with respect to the required resonance frequency of Stan's cell. I need that in order to be able to calculate the self induction of the choke coils.

Does anybody have an idea about the required resonance frequency, or the actual values of the inductors used and the capacitance of the cells used?

Thanks,
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Hi Ben,

Information on the web comes and goes. I have been following this for some time but my memory is not all that precise. However, I distinctly remember that there was not one, but three frequencies that were "mixed" to trigger the disassociation of hydrogen and oxygen in his water fuel cell. All were less than 100 kHz. I think they were all three less than 50 kHz. I never could discern at what power level or voltages they were injected into the cell. Most of the "replications" that are posted on the web seem to be based on conventional hydrolysis. That is quite a distraction, but not unexpected. The video I just watched of Stan Meyer lecturing gave me a better picture of his technology. I also would like to delve into this.
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Old 10-04-2015, 08:43 AM
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Thanks Guys for your replies.
Stan refers to his cells many times with the term "resonance cavity" without further specifying the type of resonance, the frequency or the dimensions of the cavities.
I know that many inventors use confusing terminology just to confuse the competitors and this makes reproducing their inventions very difficult.
So I wasn't quite sure if the frequency applied makes any difference, Stan doesn't mention the relation frequency - gas production or shows any graph on this.

Yesterday I came across the findings of a guy in Sri-Lanka
( see http://www.byronwine.com/files/MEYER%20PAGE.pdf[/URL] ) he says:
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There are two primary frequencies that produce the best results. They are: 14,372 Hz and 43,430 Hz. The former is about 50% more efficient, but it seems that just about any frequency between 9 KHz and 143,762 KHz works quite well. (1) This is because the nature of the wave form ( a spike ) is rich in harmonics and one of them is bound to be close to one of the two primary frequencies.
Now I am not sure which one he means with "the former", I assume it would be the 43.430 KHz one as this is the 3rd harmonic of the first one.
Anyways, I feel it's a good indication that the splitting process has a frequency dependency.
I was quite surprised by the fact that it is in de KHz range, as most moleculair resonances are in the MHz or GHz range.

If anybody has made or can make a frequency - gas production graph, this would be most helpful.

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I watched almost everything I could find on u-tube. Lots of video's on the subject, especially from IRONDMAX. He seems to be a real dedicated follower of Stan's idea's.
What I couldn't find was a structured approach towards finding Stan's secret / confirming his claims while using his method of high voltage resonant electrolysis.

High increase in HHO production is claimed when moving from DC to 'Pulsed DC', however almost all add something to the water to turn it into an electrolyte. Which is totally in contradiction with Stan's approach as he used clear tapwater with a high resistance and high voltages.
Stan also talks about resonance without mentioning the resonance frequency. This frequency one needs to find the right values of the inductors to match the capacitance of the WFC.

I didn't find any u-tube video showing the relation between HHO produced (liters/min) and watts consumed, using Stan WFC and system. In most of the videos the experimenters are talking about 'large amounts' or in similar terms.
But not actually measures the input and output.

I will keep searching.
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I watched almost everything I could find on u-tube. Lots of video's on the subject, especially from IRONDMAX. He seems to be a real dedicated follower of Stan's idea's.
What I couldn't find was a structured approach towards finding Stan's secret / confirming his claims while using his method of high voltage resonant electrolysis.

High increase in HHO production is claimed when moving from DC to 'Pulsed DC', however almost all add something to the water to turn it into an electrolyte. Which is totally in contradiction with Stan's approach as he used clear tapwater with a high resistance and high voltages.
Stan also talks about resonance without mentioning the resonance frequency. This frequency one needs to find the right values of the inductors to match the capacitance of the WFC.

I didn't find any u-tube video showing the relation between HHO produced (liters/min) and watts consumed, using Stan WFC and system. In most of the videos the experimenters are talking about 'large amounts' or in similar terms.
But not actually measures the input and output.

I will keep searching.
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On at least one of his designs, on the voltage intensifier circuit, he had a feedback coil to tune in the frequency automatically up to 15khz. There wasn't a definitive frequency as differences in water and other factors changed it and each cell was tuning individually. You can run through frequency's easy enough. With Stans work the voltage intensifier circuit itself comes across as a very important factor.

I haven't successfully replicated stans work and I am only trying out flat plates at the moment. I'm using frequency modulation and I am only using tap water, and as you have said this is an important part of the process of stans design. I have been able to make hho but not efficiently.

You would think by now there would be definitive knowledge how to go about it. I've learned alot about Stans work but not enough yet.
If you haven't seen it yet, I would advise you to look up -
"stanley meyer original data from estate"
There's quite a bit of information in it.

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could'nt find this video earlier, as many of my post happen this way can't remember the meyer's application
that a voltage only HV on preconditioned charged water may work.
The idea of having an inline on demand charged water supply might answer how why amps restricted?
why dielectrics like delrin was used ? possibly why Stan machined plastics were important part ?

Video on basic concept of charging water shown using van der graff
Has anyone tryed this? I have'nt tested this myself ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5F5JDMAmqg
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