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Old 12-03-2014, 10:24 PM
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$3.00 magnet-battery copper-coil "train" Build one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQTU4hzE4dQ





true nerd fun.
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:58 PM
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Cute toy! Noisy as heck, but still pretty neat.
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Old 12-03-2014, 11:05 PM
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Thats actually really cool.

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Old 12-03-2014, 11:16 PM
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Thats cool . Does it need to be a battery or can you use a piece of steel?
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Old 12-03-2014, 11:38 PM
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Cool! At the moment I'm scratching my head as to how it works. Brain will kick in gear soon I think In the mean time.... is the copper wire bare or enameled? Is a battery needed or as shylo mentioned can it be something else? I will assume the battery is needed otherwise that would clearly be essentially perpetual motion. Would this also work in a copper pipe? Lastly but perhaps most importantly are the magnets N-S-battery-N-S or the opposite like N-S-battery-S-N ? Still waiting for brain to engage....
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Old 12-03-2014, 11:44 PM
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Thats cool . Does it need to be a battery or can you use a piece of steel?
The battery powers the coil, which propels the magnets.
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Old 12-03-2014, 11:55 PM
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Cool! At the moment I'm scratching my head as to how it works. Brain will kick in gear soon I think In the mean time.... is the copper wire bare or enameled? Is a battery needed or as shylo mentioned can it be something else? I will assume the battery is needed otherwise that would clearly be essentially perpetual motion. Would this also work in a copper pipe? Lastly but perhaps most importantly are the magnets N-S-battery-N-S or the opposite like N-S-battery-S-N ? Still waiting for brain to engage....


as long as one set is S on one END, and N on the other.

More people need to think about inertia and acceleration (charge, centripetal, convergent)........... VS. motion and force (discharge, centrifugal, divergence)


how it works is as simple as loss of inertia ("charge") = FORCE and MOTION

course U need a battery. too big a battery and the weight is an issue and it wont move, obviously.

bare wire, however enameled should work.
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:14 AM
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What would happen if you had pickup coils on plastic spools with the track running through the spools all around the track. It would output energy at each coil right?



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Old 12-04-2014, 01:22 AM
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if you insert the train the other direction,
will it act the same ?
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Old 12-04-2014, 01:58 AM
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Pretty cool.

This video also caught my eye.
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Old 12-04-2014, 02:42 AM
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How it works

No, it is not obvious. But, when you know how to think and actually THINK about it, it is not that hard. So, here is a very simple way to explain it. Pay attention, because I don't promise to explain my explanation.

The wire is NOT insulated and the magnets are NOT coated with a non conducting material. A battery is required to provide power. Current does not flow until the battery-magnet "car" energizes the copper wire forming a local electro magnet around the "car". Visualize the current flow. I can describe it in words but I can't do the visualization part. You are on your own with that.

The magnets are now not entirely in the magnetic field, nor are they entirely out of the field. But, they are close enough to be subject to the force of the magnetic field created due to the current. As the car moves, the local magnetic field moves with the car, driven by the current from the battery.

Sorry, but you can't coat the wire with insulation. You could build a more efficient version with lower friction, better electrical contacts, etc. But I really don't see anything terribly out of the ordinary here, just a very clever application of conventional principles. Thanks for sharing.
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The magnets are now not entirely in the magnetic field.
Water is not entirely wet.

same "logic"

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But I really don't see anything terribly out of the ordinary here
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Thats what they said about the POST IT note, just paper and glue.


ABCDE are not "extra-ordinary" ,........but how they are arranged and used and applied IS, ......

unique

extra-ordinary

"cool" (sic)

etc etc etc.





Everything in the cosmos is in an ETHER MODALITY, either divergent (magnetic) or CONVERGENT (dielectric, gravitational), or a hybrid (electrical).


The discharge of a charge (from the batt) is = FORCE and MOTION.



EVERYTHING is a pressure gradient mediation of Ether field-modality pressures. Or as the Plumbers Unions all say "crap rolls downhill"


The "train" isnt moving (well of course it "is") so much as it is chasing a 'SINK(hole)' in the Ether itself.

Define the discharge of inertia in the "train" which has no moving parts.

The "train" itself is NO DIFFERENT than magnetic centrifugal and centripetal reciprocation. Charge divergence (= discharge) which is definitionally and denotatively force, motion and SPACE (measured AS and IN our empirical construct of time).



Soooo, why doesnt the "train" move without the coil? (not the OBVIOUS answer).

What does the coil facilitate?

What therefore is a spatial circuit within and BY WHICH motion and force are allowed to manifest (via the coil) ?



I love how simple things confound us 'all' (and that they dont teach ANYTHING important in college).
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:33 AM
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Same Concept

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVa49Eg9RAU

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started another

Ken

I did start a topic here as well

TA's $3.00 magnet-battery copper-coil "train" Build one.

and here .

TA's 3 dollar train build

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Anything to do with the fact that copper is a dielectric reflector ?
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Anything to do with the fact that copper is a dielectric reflector ?


Now, you have to ask yourself if the "train" is not technically being PUSHED or PULLED thru the coil,

....then how/why/etc. is it "falling" thru the coil.
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I tried this right after posting my question yesterday with a coil I had laying around which was enameled. It didn't work at all. I might have had too large or heavy of magnets though. N52's that were 1/2" thick by 3/4" diameter. Two on each end. I'll try again with some smaller ones but I think the enamel is more of a problem than the magnets I used. I tried sloshing it back and forth also to see if there was any less resistance in one direction but none was detected. I'm sure this will work better with bare wire. Too cool not to try
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N52's that were 1/2" thick by 3/4" diameter.:


ouch, waaay too big and heavy.
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Nice Train...

Nice Model T.A.!

It's just as Wayne described...

Wire can NOT be enameled...and so magnets MUST have conductive material as outer coating.

Magnets act also as conductors from the battery energy...transmitted to JUST segments of the whole coil where Train is at...this energized segment creates the thrusting effect...and so on to next segment...


Just like the EM Projectile Launcher...but "in series".


I spoke about this on a previous Thread...and about the train as well.

If We set an outer and bigger ENAMELED Coil, following the same path as the Inner bare wire coil...inner inside outer...and we measure output while "train is traveling"...we will have energy at both ends of outer coil...


Right T.A.?


Nice to see you back friend!


Regards


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No, it is not obvious.
But it is really, really obvious how it works. If you didn't figure out how it works within a few seconds you probably don't even have the most basic education in electricity/magnetism.
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and so magnets MUST have conductive material as outer coating

few people have rubber or silicone coated neodymiums, but yes.

most neos are nickle or chrome plated from China.


the video is not my video, its from a chinese website.


I however was going to make a likewise video with a twist when i found this video.


Im out of country right now and will make some stuff when I get home.
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the video is not my video, its from a chinese website.
Original source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9b0J29OzAU

For those that care about that sort of thing.
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Cute little video,

One could try several button batteries in series to up the battery voltage (wrap the batteries in heat shrink or thin PTFE tube to insulate (not the magnets), the magnets each end would also help hold it all together. The coil could be made more robust by housing it inside a clear PVC flexible tube. Donít forget the carriages, trail a few glow-sticks behindÖ Now you have a marketable toy or fun science project...

Itís not going to save the world, but it might teach young kids about certain principals. Likely the science teachers would still scratch their head.
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Faraday Homopolar Motor

It's a basic Faraday motor or "homopolar motor".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbCN3EnYfWU

Instead of the wire moving around the magnet, the wire is still and the magnet moves.

It should be bare wire so the contact to the magnet can happen. It's using the same principle.

If we can see it in enough detail, the magnet/battery assembly should be rotating as it moves even if it is is slight.

So the magnets should only have to be on one end of the battery - so the other end of the battery just needs some conductive contact to hit the wire to complete the circuit. If it needs more umph to get it going, then put the magnets on both ends.

This is really a very cool little demo and is a great out of the box application of the Faraday homopolar motor concept!
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How about connecting a Voltmeter to the 2 ends of the Coil to see how much voltage is being generated during operation.
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The $64,000 question:

Does the battery run down?
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why not use button cells instead of 1.5v battery more speed.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:57 PM
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The $64,000 question:

Does the battery run down?
Yes. Nobody claimed otherwise.
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why not use button cells instead of 1.5v battery more speed.


those batteries are pricy
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The $64,000 question:

Does the battery run down?
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does a bear poo in the woods?
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