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Hello Dwane, ( just a quick reply )

copper foils are the less available, i used it in the violet ray device , i found it in a special cables where the copper make the shield , precisely HV cable , the foils come with little width ( about 2 cm ) .
the idea of using copper foils in the ETBC is to unbalance the internal resistance of ETBC so we gain an excess of electrons ( this is not a proven theory )

the best way is still using a magnetic material as a core , something easy to find like stainless steel ( thin ) , we need to combine this with DC pulse system i think about using a pico farad capacitor to gain a high speed .. there's a scenario but i need to think again !

the solid state circuit we tried is just a good way to see what's going on, the system still take the power from the main as you stated before ! the resonance in HV remain something painful but i think there's a way to go further without complexity, later i will explain my idea maybe we could find a solution !

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Hi med,

Its a corker today, already 35C. I have done three and half hours and the hot wind is irritating. I have come home to relax!

I have some 50mm copper strip on order. However, Not sure what is available for you there, but, also we are able to get 30mm x 8metre strips used as snail repellent. The minute voltage across the ambient strip seems to be enough to deter them from going after one's cabbages etc.

I am constantly thinking - not literally but always in my minds eye - of my colliodal comment and storage of the energy withing the coil syndrome.

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With the series connection, s described on your video, what happens to the connections for the series CD connection?

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With the series connection, s described on your video, what happens to the connections for the series CD connection?

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the idea behind the S-ETBC is to increase the electric current using multiple oscillating ETBC work on the same frequency, i tried 4 ETBC as descried in my video and they work nicely but i can't find a bigger magnetic core to go further in this technique.

the CD connection remain untouched, you form the first ETBC around the core next to it the second ETBC and so on ...




between A and B in each ETBC you have your CD connection, when you connect it together you boost the electric current since you increase the primary turn number, i suggest you to start with L2 directly on the core but you need to measure the length, the length of both CW and CCW is 4 time the length of ETBC from A TO B , because we still work outside the resonance tuning don't play a critical role here so you can choose any length you want but in case you want further work with this arrangement it's a good idea to respect the rule given by DON SMITH, after that you can wind your ETBC over L2, this help the ETBC to oscillate freely, at the moment i am thinking about an advanced easy to build circuit, still a theoretical work

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Well, there is certainly something to the storage between the plates of the ETBC. I quickly wound up a coil using coaxial cable, thinking the separating medium might also work. It works as a primary coil but not as a charge carrier. If it does, it did not for me. That is what I find interesting. The main difference between the two coils would seem to be the capacitive surface area?

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Well, there is certainly something to the storage between the plates of the ETBC. I quickly wound up a coil using coaxial cable, thinking the separating medium might also work. It works as a primary coil but not as a charge carrier. If it does, it did not for me. That is what I find interesting. The main difference between the two coils would seem to be the capacitive surface area?

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Hello Dwane ,


the magic in Don device remain in the magnetic field side , the paradox here is we are using another component which look like not to be a magnetic component!!!!, it's the induced rotating electric field, to understand this i suggest a very simple experiment :

take a small ferrite core and wind your ETBC on it ( make a small one suitable for the magnetic core you have ) , now make another secondary coil on the same core, you need to pulse the ETBC from the half of it , from the point A to the CD junction ( or X location ) ,take the following circuit as reference :



in the above drawing it's from C TO A B , when you pulse the ETBC from the half it still oscillate, you need to rectify and store the gained power from the secondary using diodes ( don't use a diode bridge ) , now short circuit the open leg ( the foil DB ) and see how much power you have in the capacitor bank when the open leg is open or short circuited , i tried this and there's no comparison between the two state ! when open you have power, when short circuited you have no power !!!
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the above simple experiments show two very interesting things :


1) the magnetic field can charge a capacitor in an open environment, this is not the famous parallel LC circuit , here we don't have an electric current as we know it !



2) the possibility to oscillate such open circuit give questions about the nature of this electric current?
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What I am understanding from your posts is that magnetism and resonance have a key role in this setup. With your gif in the post above, are you saying that the inductor's charge (which moves to the capacitor) is being induced by an ambient magnetic field?
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What I am understanding from your posts is that magnetism and resonance have a key role in this setup. With your gif in the post above, are you saying that the inductor's charge (which moves to the capacitor) is being induced by an ambient magnetic field?
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nice to see you in this thread , yes this is the first note, the capacitor can handle the electric charge in its plates but the inductor don't have plates but still capable to produce and store magnetic field, the problem in such closed parallel LC is that we are using a single connection ( the wires connect the capacitor with an inductor ) which confine the space of magnetic field , the magnetic field work at least in 3D space ( maybe more ..) all this field will be squeezed to flow in a single wire to charge back a capacitor.

the proposed experiment show the possibility to charge a capacitor from the magnetic field without using a closed loop, not only that but also the possibility to oscillate such open system..

the resonance is very important but i think it's for professional level with adequate hardware and technical support while it's possible to reverse the operation of ETBC, we have to use another mechanism like scattering the magnetic field so the resonance don't play a crucial role .. please take a look at the following two resources of DON.

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Thanks for the links. I've only gotten into the first one, but it's like pure gold.
I'll need to go through it a number of times.
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Hello Bob !

nice to see you in this thread , yes this is the first note, the capacitor can handle the electric charge in its plates but the inductor don't have plates but still capable to produce and store magnetic field, the problem in such closed parallel LC is that we are using a single connection ( the wires connect the capacitor with an inductor ) which confine the space of magnetic field , the magnetic field work at least in 3D space ( maybe more ..) all this field will be squeezed to flow in a single wire to charge back a capacitor.

the proposed experiment show the possibility to charge a capacitor from the magnetic field without using a closed loop, not only that but also the possibility to oscillate such open system..

the resonance is very important but i think it's for professional level with adequate hardware and technical support while it's possible to reverse the operation of ETBC, we have to use another mechanism like scattering the magnetic field so the resonance don't play a crucial role .. please take a look at the following two resources of DON.

https://energyevo.com/2015/01/18/upd...y-yahoo-group/

https://energyevo.com/2016/08/05/nue...missing-posts/
Hi Med.3012,
It is interesting to isolate the notion of contact between the two components; L and C. There is a difference is the set up that you have created that offers a change of pathway for the mobility of the "Energy" contained in the ETBC. Using foil, you have deleted the insulation implied in nearly all LC circuits. Not in the calculation, but in the operation. I could suppose, that given a very high voltage across the coils we would be introducing an electret effect upon the capacitive component. The higher the frequency, then the more stable the contained surface charge becomes. There might also be a saturation point where the capacitive material becomes permanently charged. This would of course require pulsing and not modulated voltage.

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Hi Dwane,

when we use the foils as conductor we are extending the Tesla bifilar coil , this is why it's the ETBC ! anytime you pulse the ETBC it oscillate and produce power , you can see this when you pulse it using higher voltage , in most case the diodes used to rectify the power will be destroyed ! in my opinion the correct usage of capacitor with inductor have to be as Tesla described :

Back to 1894
My present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of
condensers which are expensive, cumbersome and difficult to maintain in
perfect condition, and to so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish
the same ultimate object


higher frequency is good but also we may have problems in the pick up side, tuning will be very difficult in such HV high frequency environment, what i propose now is something posted here since two years but unfortunately i didn't experimented with it : please take a look :









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the above idea isn't complete but it open the door to use the ETBC in reversed mode , instead of using it as energy producer it can be used as energy harvesting mechanism , in this case it will be the L2 coil , so it maybe a step down arrangement which produce lower voltage but huge electric current .. the foils can be mixed with magnetic material like stainless steel , for example the first foil is aluminium followed by a thin layer of stainless steel and the third foil is also aluminium, we need insulator layers, the steel attract the magnetic field from a large turn coil which is the primary coil , something like electromagnet , in this case the X position will be the center tap in Don terminology, you put a diode in A and another diode in B , in the case we have ACDB ETBC, i saw something strange in some test done a long time with this coil when used as L2 there's a big electric current can be taken from it , even i wasn't able to do so since the setup used was very poor, i hope we could start experimenting with such system , we need more contributors !!!!
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Thanks for the links. I've only gotten into the first one, but it's like pure gold.
I'll need to go through it a number of times.
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Hello Bob ,


yes valuable info can be found there but there's also a minor mistake like :

We see this everyday when the electric power company uses their high voltage high frequency system in transmitting energy into their distribution system. Typically they use from the source, 100,000 to 500,000 cycles per second


power company use high voltage ( but low frequency ) to minimize the loss since the current goes to low value.


another point is the use of spark gap he said : A: spark gaps and lightening arrestors, spark plugs included when I use them are not used as a or frequency or device timing. I use them for spike, overload and lightning protection. I use high quality capacitors, resistors and inductors.

but in the following video he talk about the possibility to use any SG as switching mechanism :

https://youtu.be/tASY07r9AD0?t=2291


the two statement make it unclear how he used the spark gap
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yes valuable info can be found there but there's also a minor mistake like :

We see this everyday when the electric power company uses their high voltage – high frequency system in transmitting energy into their distribution system. Typically they use from the source, 100,000 to 500,000 cycles per second

power company use high voltage ( but low frequency ) to minimize the loss since the current goes to low value.

another point is the use of spark gap he said : A: spark gaps and lightening arrestors, spark plugs included when I use them are not used as a or frequency or device timing. I use them for spike, overload and lightning protection. I use high quality capacitors, resistors and inductors.

but in the following video he talk about the possibility to use any SG as switching mechanism :
https://youtu.be/tASY07r9AD0?t=2291
the two statement make it unclear how he used the spark gap
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Yes, that was my impression about the power companies as well, that their frequency did not have to be as high as Smith states.

As far as spark gap, I have seen gas discharge tubes and lightning arrestors used in different setups, as well as tungsten or SS electrodes. It is my understanding that the spark gap in effect renders a setup an open system.

One of the things I've been trying to wrap my head around is the idea that magnetism is key to the approach you are taking in this thread. I am reminded of the famous Borderlands Eric Dollard video from the early 1980s (I think) showing how resonance separates dielectricity (voltage) from magnetism. https://youtu.be/LwFWx5RkwDE?t=1384

You have made it clear that resonance brings about big effects that should only be experimented with by properly prepared persons. It would seem that this is crucial to arriving at the desired output effect.

I need to go back and read some of the earlier posts to reconsider what I read with less understanding.
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You have made it clear that resonance brings about big effects that should only be experimented with by properly prepared persons. It would seem that this is crucial to arriving at the desired output effect.


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Yes this is true but the problem remain difficult to solve in this case because i am focusing in disturbing a great amount of power using a very special coil geometry ( THE ETBC ..) in the secondary side i am using ordinary coils to pick up the power, in other hand Don Smith used his unique antenna dipole to collect the power ! he also explain that most electrical appliance we use today generate a huge electrical power as wasted energy .. this energy return back to the ambient back ground , if my analyse is correct i was using the ETBC in the wrong way since any electromagnet coil when pulsed it generate a huge amount of wasted power , if we could gather all this wasted energy over energy device can be built as simple as making a simple light bulb circuit !!!!

a friend of mine sent me a photo when he used ordinary bifilar coil as energy receptor, he used induction coocktops to generate the needed electromagnetic flux , most of us saw something similar to this but i think it's the time to reverse the things ..



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Hello Med.3012,
And, a Merry Christmas to you for tomorrow! If you get into the seasonal action.

I come back to my point made some time ago, colloidal suspension. How can we make a small vacuum in the aether ( the colloidal suspension), without any walls, that will such the aether energy into it, but, without ever filling the vacuum? An oxymoron? No. In reality, isn't this what we are trying to achieve? Sucking energy out of the aether with a minimum of fuss. Like picking an apple off the tree when ripe?

I think there was a device proposed some time ago by a Karl Schappeller, which was a spherical device, which in hindsight, might be a useful starting point for your revised approach.

I shall dwell on this over Christmas Dinner! A Christmas gift/present to myself.

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And, a Merry Christmas to you for tomorrow! If you get into the seasonal action.

I come back to my point made some time ago, colloidal suspension. How can we make a small vacuum in the aether ( the colloidal suspension), without any walls, that will such the aether energy into it, but, without ever filling the vacuum? An oxymoron? No. In reality, isn't this what we are trying to achieve? Sucking energy out of the aether with a minimum of fuss. Like picking an apple off the tree when ripe?

I think there was a device proposed some time ago by a Karl Schappeller, which was a spherical device, which in hindsight, might be a useful starting point for your revised approach.

I shall dwell on this over Christmas Dinner! A Christmas gift/present to myself.

Bon Noel

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Hello Dwane !


have a great Christmas!, i don't have all the answers but the idea of Don isn't that difficult.. we only need the correct reasoning , the dipole we need work as a half inductive while the other half capacitive cancel the inductive effect ! the primary coil can't see what's going on since you have two opposite current .. this cancel lanz's effect and you can take as much current as you can :-)
the magnetic core will enhance the process.

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as i see most visitor here don't post anything .. the information here is very valuable so we need more contributor, i am not asking attention but i ask help to make the thread grow ..
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as i see most visitor here don't post anything .. the information here is very valuable so we need more contributor, i am not asking attention but i ask help to make the thread grow ..
I hear you loud and clear!!

It would appear that forums have a greater attraction for the talkers'. For myself, I always seem to be looking for parts or waiting for them to arrive. For those living in USA, there seems to be an abundance of parts for assembling Energy devices.

For this interesting experiment, I am trying to track down what I think are suitable ferrite cores that I could use to replicate your efforts. The closest I have seen are on some Russian site. The shape of which which appear similar in size and shape to the one used for your multiple wraps. I am still waiting for a couple of large ferrite cores from the Ukraine! Over a month now. Looks like another lost in the post syndrome!! And as you would be well aware, experimenting and prototyping is not a cheap exercise. Therefore, I submit to you the old English adage "Talk is Cheap!". In this case literally. Perhaps why, forums produce a lot of hot air and experts.

I shall keep in touch when I am able to show something worth looking at.


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I hear you loud and clear!!

It would appear that forums have a greater attraction for the talkers'. For myself, I always seem to be looking for parts or waiting for them to arrive. For those living in USA, there seems to be an abundance of parts for assembling Energy devices.

For this interesting experiment, I am trying to track down what I think are suitable ferrite cores that I could use to replicate your efforts. The closest I have seen are on some Russian site. The shape of which which appear similar in size and shape to the one used for your multiple wraps. I am still waiting for a couple of large ferrite cores from the Ukraine! Over a month now. Looks like another lost in the post syndrome!! And as you would be well aware, experimenting and prototyping is not a cheap exercise. Therefore, I submit to you the old English adage "Talk is Cheap!". In this case literally. Perhaps why, forums produce a lot of hot air and experts.

I shall keep in touch when I am able to show something worth looking at.


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Thank you Dwane !

i agree with you 100% !


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i need some info about the best stainless steel suitable for high frequency, i don't have experience with such material but some test show it got hot, this mean more wasted power ... any idea ?

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i need some info about the best stainless steel suitable for high frequency, i don't have experience with such material but some test show it got hot, this mean more wasted power ... any idea ?

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Stainless steel is not magnetic. I guess thats why it gets hot. the inability to produce magnetic field equals resistance (not sure but it seems logical)

resonance is based of the transformation between a magnetic field and a dielectric field.
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i need some info about the best stainless steel suitable for high frequency, i don't have experience with such material but some test show it got hot, this mean more wasted power ... any idea ?

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This might be of help in answering your question - knowing the composition of your SS and its magnetic or non-magnetic properties:
https://www.bosunsupplies.com/StainlessInfo2/
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Stainless steel is not magnetic. I guess thats why it gets hot. the inability to produce magnetic field equals resistance (not sure but it seems logical)

resonance is based of the transformation between a magnetic field and a dielectric field.

yes some kind are not magnetic but other grade are magnetic.

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This might be of help in answering your question - knowing the composition of your SS and its magnetic or non-magnetic properties:
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Thanks , i think it's better to start with ferrite since it can handle high frequency after that we shall see how to use another material

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Hello ,

i am glad to put the following video which explain another step , another new coil technically it's a Dual ETBC , the drawing show its details





the YouTube video explain much more !

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i am glad to put the following video which explain another step , another new coil technically it's a Dual ETBC , the drawing show its details





the YouTube video explain much more !

https://youtu.be/GuvJfAV1UA8



the above idea need a little polishing, everyone interested can examine this model so the little gap can be filled
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