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#31
12-20-2014, 07:58 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
@boguslaw

for sure we have to take his words literally... But you forget to add what he say, THE MORE YOU FLIP ELECTRONS BACK AND FORTH THE MORE ENERGY YOU HAVE...

How can you flip electron back and forth with radio speed...? there is no classical model for this operation to be done correctly because it's a quantum mechanic characteristic.
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#32
12-20-2014, 10:18 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
Why the spin separation area is so important ?

In a permanent magnet the spin separation area is the Bloch wall; because it's a fixed area it provide the correct energetic symmetry for negative energy to flow all the time...

in a resonating ordinary parallel L/C circuit, the electrons spin separation area is formed But it isn't fixed.

Imagine A and B are the your coil edges- imagine the current enter the coil from A, when the capacitor start discharging across it , Bloch wall will exist in A point firstly and move along the coil but when the capacitor is fully discharged and the current has its max value the Bloch wall will exist exactly in the middle of your coil between A and B, this mean the two edge has all the electric energy but one edge spin CCW provide voltage while the other end will spin CW and provide current, because there is no more energy to be pushed to the coil since the capacitor is fully discharged , the magnetic field start collapsing and inducing current to charge the capacitor again but with opposite sign, here the Bloch wall area will start moving toward B point seeking energy equilibrium!

AC electric energy has two magnetic domain defined by electrons spin direction, magnetic domain and electric domain, the first time the coil start receiving electric energy it hold that energy by electron spinning mechanism A will have voltage because it's in receiving mode so it has the same polarity as the capacitor, when more electrons are in CCW direction the same number exist but in CW direction, this mechanism is what happen inside the coil to conserve the electric energy as a magnetic field, when the magnetic field take its greater value the Bloch wall exist in the middle, the value of capacitor with the value of coil inductance determine how much power will be conserved in the coil , the Bloch wall can't excess the middle of the coil in this receiving mode.

Now the magnetic field have to collapse but the Bloch wall area can't move to A point because B point has a max CW electrons domain ... moving electrons spin separation area toward A mean B has no electrons in CW spinning direction and this is not true!

the relaxation of magnetic field will cause the Bloch wall area to move toward B point and this will reverse the coil polarity to push electrons into the capacitor, the magnetic field has more freedom degrees unlike the static electric field...

this phenomena look like turning a spring and let it relax, it will turn in opposite direction in each edges to relax...

the Bloch wall area is so important because when we could fix it we could say our system could operate in receiving and transmitting mode at the same time , this is actually what happened in an oscillating E-TBC, when the current start increasing ( receiving mode ) , the induced rotating electric field cause the system to build a cost free voltage ( transmitting mode ) ... this is briefly what cause the E-TBC to replicate the power with radio frequency speed.
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#33
12-22-2014, 10:34 AM
 lotec Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 145
If the axis of spin rotates 90 degrees for every quarter wave length traveled, when Don said he used 200 MHz for 20 feet of wire I reckon he probably did a flipping good job.
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#34
12-22-2014, 09:03 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
Quote:
 Originally Posted by lotec If the axis of spin rotates 90 degrees for every quarter wave length traveled, when Don said he used 200 MHz for 20 feet of wire I reckon he probably did a flipping good job.
The frequency of resonance is the key for energy multiplication, The resonance between coil and capacitor lead to the resonance between magnetism and electricity which in turn give interconnection between both negative and positive energy.

regrettably because everything is related to each other no classical model exist for an oscillating E-TBC the same about electrons spin mechanism...

the resonance between magnetism and electricity plus the one dimensional capacitor
give the opportunity for electrons spin to be equalized... as discussed before the coil must have a mechanism to store the magnetic field using electrons spin power, in other words : one plate correspond the north pole (CCW domain = voltage) the other plates is the south pole (CW domain = current), the two plates are in parallel in a manner to provide a stable difference of potential even in a dynamic state...

take the first sight for example when the current increase
When the induced rotating electric field ENTER this complicated arrangement, it will keep the voltage at high level due to the difference of voltage created by that rotation field and by providing a CW electrons spin direction to the upper positive plate Fig7 ( in my document) , here a question appear; i said CW spin direction But the voltage is CCW spin direction, this an accumulated spin energy, remember this phenomena look like turning a spring and let it relax, it will turn in opposite direction in each edges to relax...

now you can imagine the second sight...

The E-TBC is able to store both magnetic and electric energy by spin separation mechanism because it separate magnetism and electricity into two identical parts...

Finally the story isn't just flipping electrons back and forth randomly But we have to do it systematically.
understanding this phenomena may solve reactive energy problems plus the problem of negative electricity flowing regime time .
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#35
12-26-2014, 11:49 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
Dual Extended Tesla Bi-filar coil

In this post i am going to propose a new idea came to my mind recently But i didn't tested it, it most likely works depending of my understanding about how the E-TBC act.

After working on L2 coil to correct the phase between current and voltage and after i had failed because i don't have the needed equipment to measure the frequency, a new idea appear to be the solution for reactive energy problems.

Briefly we need to extended the E-TBC to obtain a one dimensional coil/capacitor! the idea is to build another equivalent opposite sign magnetic field,.

The E-TBC has a full capacitor with + and - sign , so if we make another E-TBC with opposite winding direction we will be able to force the electrons to spin up and down at the same time, so the full system will supply current and voltage.

If the black-E-TBC have electrons spin down , the other Red E-TBC will be forced to give electron spin up; The biggest idea here is to make the full process to appear in just one process, so the reactive energy will be active using Twin E-TBC.

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#36
12-26-2014, 11:54 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
the photo show the position of R-E-TBC and the B-E-TBC

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#37
12-27-2014, 01:56 AM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
i am sorry for the brief description, But i will explain more very soon.
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#38
12-27-2014, 09:52 PM
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more explanation about the dual E-TBC

The Dual extended Tesla Bi-filar coil resemble the concept of Ambient Background Energy in real time, a single E-TBC is a subject of reactive energy because the electrons separation area is actually situated inside the system which lead to the phase shift between current and voltage ( x point in a single E-TBC divide the system into two identical parts, each parts is either a magnetic domain spin or an electric domain spin ).

i received some question about the meaning of talking about the reactive energy even the resonance imply the presence of this kind of electric energy, The E-TBC is a very special parallel L/C circuit, this device use a special mechanism to charge its capacitor during the oscillation, take the example of the second sight when the magnetic field has a max value and ready to collapse, page 6 in my document http://www.free-energy-info.com/Mohamed.pdf , The Big question is how the capacitor is able to be charged through ONE POINT?!
Fig 8 in the same document, in other words how the capacitor can be charged when it's short circuited ?

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...4-06.03-pm.jpg

The presence of the induced rotating electric field plus the geometrical specification of the E-TBC give the half answer because this field is able to secure a difference of potential between adjacent plates which give a free power gain ; the other half answer is that , the induced electric field is the cause for spin mechanism to be done inside an oscillating E-TBC, --- the power of spin is by the induced Electric field but the direction of spin is the work of magnetic field!---

to explain this idea more i have to say: the capacitor inside an oscillating E-TBC must be charged dynamically not statically, it's not possible for this capacitor to be charged statically through one point!
in my point of view the presence of magnetic field inside the capacitor will twist the electrons to have two identical domain, magnetic domain ( CW) and electric domain ( CCW), the one dimensional capacitor is a denotation for spin separation mechanism area... i hope the idea is clear now because we need it further more to solve the problems involved in a single oscillating E-TBC , such as :

1-reactive energy

2-negative electricity flowing regime time which lead to cancellation effect within the collection system.

3-the need for earth ground to improve the performance of system is the result of high speed reactive electric energy, to attract ambient electrons effectively we need active electric energy rather than reactive electric energy... i was confused about this phenomena but i reckon the problem will be solved using the dual E-TBC.

4- using standing waves will force the system to be limited in both L1 and L2 coil, because we must work with a very defined frequency the geometry of L1 will be narrow to provide the needed high frequency , in other hand the length of L2 will be limited by the frequency NOT BY THE NEEDED VOLTAGE...

5 - and this is the most important reason to move toward the dual E-TBC is the need for good equipment and good skills to work effectively with RF waves.

the concept behind the Dual E-TBC is the same as a single E-TBC, the idea behind a single E-TBC is to add another electrical dimension to the famous Tesla Bi-filar flat coil, the system give reactive energy because it form a parallel L/C circuit BUT unlike ordinary parallel L/C circuit our E-TBC is a subject for spin separation mechanism because it divide electricity and magnetism into two identical parts, the presence of one dimensional capacitor ( A SHORT CIRCUITED CAPACITOR ) prove this concept.

The Dual E-TBC is composed of two identical E-TBC, one is the red E-TBC ,the other is the Black E-TBC, this is another expansion the same manner as adding another electrical dimension but this is another magnetic dimension which look like another opposite magnetic charge!

the total charge in a charged capacitor is zero, right ? the total magnetic field in an oscillating dual E-TBC is zero, right ? ---see the previous photos--- if the R-E-TBC give a positive magnetic field the B-E-TBC will give a negative magnetic field, so the total magnetic field in both E-tbc is zero.

the current go forth and back when the dual E-TBC oscillate, it start from the B-E-TBC toward the R-E-TBC and back again to B-E-TBC and finally the current end in the red E-TBC .

X1 and X2 are the location of the virtual one dimensional capacitors, every E-TBC works as expected as if it's alone but the capacitor will be totally invisible ... , the idea here is to move the spin separation area outside the system, so every move across that area will cause the electrons to change its spinning direction, this look like the same as the concept behind the future/past light cone but in positive energy reality ... the idea here is a bit difficult but i will try to explain it , The dual E-TBC form a kind of special zone where we achieve a one dimensional capacitor/ coil, x1 with x2 together form just one capacitor inside the system not in the position of spark gap... the flow of negative energy will show how this special zone will be formed, when oscillating the ambient back ground energy will supply energy in both direction but the reactive energy is still present because it's needed for energy amplification , the beauty here is when the B-E-TBC supply current the other coil will supply voltage and vise versa...

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#39
12-28-2014, 12:12 AM
 Vinyasi Silver Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: southern california Posts: 504
I lost myself on page ten...

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 Originally Posted by med.3012 i opened this thread to discuss the resonance energy device, i am the writer of this presentation http://free-energy-info.com/Mohamed.pdf ...for more information please read the full presentation, ...
Maybe that's my mistake? I haven't read past page ten!

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 The summation of the losses due to resistance, impedance, friction, magnetic hysteresis, eddy currents and windage losses of rotating machinery will always reduce overall efficiency below unity for a closed system. The laws of conservation of energy always apply to all systems
1. I thought conservation laws only apply to closed systems and to no other?
2. I thought overunity was only possible for an open system?
3. I thought energy losses of any sort was only possible for an open system?
4. I thought energy gains of any sort was only possible for an open system?
5. I thought your document was describing that this device is interacting with its environment?...
6. Making it an open system?
7. And not subject to the laws of conservation?

I'm confused!
Help!
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#40
12-29-2014, 08:25 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Vinyasi Maybe that's my mistake? I haven't read past page ten! I thought conservation laws only apply to closed systems and to no other? I thought overunity was only possible for an open system? I thought energy losses of any sort was only possible for an open system? I thought energy gains of any sort was only possible for an open system? I thought your document was describing that this device is interacting with its environment?... Making it an open system? And not subject to the laws of conservation? I'm confused! Help!

Hi!

Without the law of conservation free energy devices would be impossible, what free energy device (take a single E-TBC for example ) does is only expanding the energetic paths to be outside the system and then extracting it!

in the same page Floyd sweet added this : the induced motional E-field changes the system upon which those laws need to be applied

take the example in Fig7 the attracted ambient electrons wasn't originated by the system itself but it was from outside the oscillating device, here according the law of conservation the ambient electrons must be added to the total power, in other words we just open another ambient energetic gate to be added to the total energy of the system.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...4-08.24-pm.jpg

The extracted electrical energy is a result of amplified voltage and current which in turn replicated by the frequency, the term over unity isn't clear , it mean you get more than what you put in without indication from where the excess energy came from ?

the conservation law when applied outside your system another new energy will be just added by the same law so the overall energy will be overunity.
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#41
01-06-2015, 09:56 PM
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First test using the Dual E-TBC

as discussed recently the Dual E-TBC is composed of two identical extended Tesla Bi-filar coil, the two coils are connected together using ordinary wires, the capacitor isn't needed outside the two coil because the induced rotating electric field is absent outside.

If someone interested in building his Dual E-TBC, just two identical E-TBC will do the job But they have to be connected correctly, a printed schematic is needed when building this device... i built my first Dual E-TBC tonight and it need concentration, the two coils will operate as if they are separated, in the following drawing we will see the RED E-TBC and how the negative plate of the Black E-TBC form a simple connector , so the two plates of the Red E-TBC are connected correctly.

The same remark works also in the Black E-TBC, the two coils are connected to work reversely, if The system is correct the negative electricity flowing regime time will be absent in this system, the first test i did show that cold electricity is absent in the dual E-TBC unlike a single E-TBC !!!

the reason is they operate in reverse time manner so the excitation in the space-time field will cancel out each other.

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#42
01-15-2015, 06:22 PM
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I Need A Partner

I am not able to add more information about the resonance energy device due to equipment limitation at the moment ... even i am still fighting to disclose more secrets about this amazing device BUT i really need a serious aides

i welcome Anyone with good hardware to assist US to continue this work.

the latest information i can add at the moment until i can work with an oscilloscope is there is a need for STANDING WAVES, even DUAL extended Tesla BI-filar need to work with standing waves because electrolyte capacitor has a tiny impedance at higher speed which kill the gained amplified impulses.
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#43
01-15-2015, 07:16 PM
 boguslaw Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,489
Ah...yes, the necessity of good equipment ! If I only have a digital fast scope But the real advance comes from hard work and Divine inspiration. People like Tariel Kapanadze or T.H.Moray or Tesla didn't used costly equipment. I agree though it may help a lot understanding free energy....
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#44
01-15-2015, 07:53 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by boguslaw Ah...yes, the necessity of good equipment ! If I only have a digital fast scope But the real advance comes from hard work and Divine inspiration. People like Tariel Kapanadze or T.H.Moray or Tesla didn't used costly equipment. I agree though it may help a lot understanding free energy....

thanks so much for your great help
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#45
01-15-2015, 09:14 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
@boguslaw

when the theory deceive me i go to practice, and when practical tests give nothing i went again to the theory....

ALL the electrical device around you use free energy... but they use it in a closed system compared to ambient background energy ( or ZERO POINT energy )... simply our ordinary system refuse the unlimited available ambient energy because they are designed to treat electricity like streaming water !

electricity is more complicated than we might think, FLOYD SWEET talked about multidimensional devices..........

electric energy has a multidimensional characters built in ! if you examine the energetic lines in the E-TBC you will find three important phenomena works together.

1- the magnetic field
2- the induced rotating electric field
3- the static electric field

they are ALL perpendicular to each other in an oscillating E-TBC which mean that the E-TBC is a multidimensional device.

the electron itself a multidimensional particle because it can't be seeing unless when it spin!! so it has two portion and when they are identical simply he is invisible.

THE nature give all the answers to all the questions.....
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#46
02-17-2015, 08:00 AM
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The E-TBC double frequency verified !

i received a statement that the E-TBC show the unusual behavior compared to a normal parallel LC circuit where it provide a double frequency compared to it normal parallel equivalent LC circuit.

the device look like a parametric oscillator where the internal capacitor is divided into two identical capacitor in serial ... when oscillate the total capacitor of c/2 plus c/2 will be c/4 ! enter this to normal resonance equation so the result will be f X 2 !!!
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#47
02-20-2015, 04:34 PM
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some practical aspects

to measure the resonance frequency of the E-TBC there is a need for frequency generator plus an oscilloscope, but if a frequency generator is absent there exist a way to do this without frequency generator,

just build the following simple Colpitts oscillator which in turn based on LC tank circuit, close C D connections in your E-TBC, connect it as shown from A B and X point ( x = CD closed ).

i tried this circuit with two different E-TBC and it gave a nice result showing the frequency of 3.2 MHZ and 1.4 MHZ , the objective is to achieve a manageable frequency up to 17 MHZ so the quarter wave length will be

143/ 2x frequency in MHZ if f=17 MHZ the quarter wave will be = 143/2x17 = 4.2 meter .

4.2 meter will be the length used to wind our L2 coil, it's important to wind it with space between adjacent turn. more space is needed in the edge of the twin coils due to the fact that the voltage has a maximum value in these two points, doing so will avoid the interference between points with higher voltage and the rest of the coil, this help the wave to see the length of wire instead of seeing the length of the coil .

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#48
02-25-2015, 09:41 PM
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i said before that the dual extended Tesla Bi-filar coil work as two separated E-TBC connected together in reversed mode but i think it's a mistake to see the Dual E-TBC as two separated E-TBC.

the Dual E-TBC is another derivative of a single E-TBC, it has two coils and two capacitors, the coils are linked electrically and the capacitors are linked magnetically, because cold electricity is absent in the dual E-TBC this mean the black E-TBC work in opposite manner compared to the red E-TBC and due to the fact the coil will transform into capacitor in the negative energy sea and the same happen to the capacitor when it transform into coil in negative energy perspective.

from energetic perspective the coil in the RED E-TBC have to pass through the center virtual capacitor to reach the other coil side situated in the Black E-TBC and the same will happen to the two capacitors in each side where they are connected magnetically in the center of the dual E-TBC because each virtual coils must be compressed before reaching the real capacitors, the capacitors and the coils in this model are energetic elements ... they can't be seeing.

we need practical measurement to see if this model is correct or no, if it's correct the resonance frequency of the dual E-TBC have to be the same as a single E-TBC!

the internal capacitor in a single E-TBC jump to four time less C/4 when oscillating but in the dual E-TBC the coil come to play too and it will jump to the half L/2 .

another player in this design is the induced electric field which double the gained power compared to a single E-TBC where each adjacent plates receive twice the voltage which in turn double the the received ambient electrons, in other hand the received electrons in each side isn't similar because each coil work as the back EMF for the other side which bring the current and the voltage in the same design with radio frequency speed.

the above information is a point of view and it need confirmation.

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#49
02-25-2015, 10:54 PM
 wayne.ct Silver Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 546
Can you give more details, please?

You mentioned that you tried this circuit with two different E-TBC and it gave a nice result showing the frequency of 3.2 MHZ and 1.4 MHZ. One operated at a frequency of 3.2 MHz and the other at 1.4 MHz, correct?

Can you please post dimensions, materials, circuit diagram and detail the connections to your test equipment? Other measurements that would be helpful to confirm your observations would also be appreciated.

Thank you.
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#50
02-26-2015, 12:17 AM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by wayne.ct You mentioned that you tried this circuit with two different E-TBC and it gave a nice result showing the frequency of 3.2 MHZ and 1.4 MHZ. One operated at a frequency of 3.2 MHz and the other at 1.4 MHz, correct? Can you please post dimensions, materials, circuit diagram and detail the connections to your test equipment? Other measurements that would be helpful to confirm your observations would also be appreciated. Thank you.
you are welcome.

the circuit is very easy, i built it in a hole test board , the green frame will be removed and instead of it just connect your E-TBC as shown, the transistor i used is extinct it's 2N1711 you can look for it equivalent, or try another transistor suitable for oscillation purpose Google for it.

the test equipment is a PC based oscilloscope the famous Hantek 6022BE, it's a very cheap and capable of working around 20MHZ which is the speed i am looking for.

the following image show the oscillation graph from an E-TBC built using aluminum foil with 5cm width and 16.5cm length wound on 2cm plastic tube diameter and it gave 14.35 MHZ which is a good frequency since we are able to work on increasing the insulator thickness to achieve higher frequency around 20MHZ which in turn a manageable frequency.
any further questions are welcome.

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#51
02-27-2015, 02:28 PM
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The improved oscillation in high frequency region using the E-TBC in Colpitts design

just to share the oscillation graphs through 3 frequency regions using the E-TBC in Colpitts design.

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#52
02-27-2015, 03:49 PM
 genessc Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 210
Did you ever try and build don smiths device you picture as the source for your inspiration on this device? That thing don't work. I even bought the original B&W coils and the 25khz 6kv 30ma supply wouldn't drive it. I built 2-3 of the Smith devices, and None of them worked like he claimed. The only device that Smith guy showed was in a black pelican case which was large enough to store a battery to support the length of time the demo of that device occurred over. I've also watched smiths claim where he uses the insulation tester on one side of a homemade capacitor and connects the other side to earth ground via spark gap and he draws arcs from the ground and calls that OU.

Anyways I'm curious what the aim is here.

Coils inherently have capacity as a function of their solenoid or other type shape.

Usually coils with low inductance have a high virtual capacitance and high inductance coils have a low virtual capacitance.

What I mean when I say virtual capacitance is that the coils have a measurable Capacity that can be noted on a b&k 878A meter when its set to capacity and freq set to the 120hz or 1khz that the meter supports.

Whats curious about the coils is that adding REAL capacitors to the coils in parallel will cause that "virtual capacity measured" on the inductances to then go to ZERO before it starts accruing up in the "real capacity" which is apparently something different from the capacity that the meters reading on just the straight inductance.

An example is this: (arbitrary values used for example, not real measured results)
I have a 100uH coil. It has 1200uF measured on it by the meter. I then add a 1200uF capacitor to the coil in parallel and remeasure the total capacity, and now the meter reads next to zero capacity. I would have to add a second 1200uF cap to cause the measured capacity to read 1200uF when there is still 2400uF of Real capacity put in parallel with the coil winding.

Note that the values noted for R and L and C all change based on the frequency applied. (why its good to have a meter capable of measuring at more than a single frequency, preferably like the B&K 879A which measures at 4 diff freqs, while the 878A measures only at 120hz and 1khz.)

Anyways maybe that helps you with your attempt to use coils as capacities themselves...

Take it easy,
Gene

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 Originally Posted by med.3012 i opened this thread to discuss the resonance energy device, i am the writer of this presentation http://free-energy-info.com/Mohamed.pdf it explain the resonance energy device, the device depend on an extended Tesla bi-filar coil where the capacitor is a part from the coil! Back to 1894 and take a look at what Mr. Nikola Tesla said about his bi-filar coil: My present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of condensers which are expensive, cumbersome and difficult to maintain in perfect condition, and to so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish the same ultimate object. for more information please read the full presentation, now the problem is the obtained electric power using the E-TBC is a pure reactive power the pick up coils in the resonance energy device will correct the reactive power using a kind of serial/parallel resonance... this situation will provide the maximum current /voltage needed to charge the electrolyte capacitors banks... Now the problem is that what is the best way to arrange the pick coils ? the attached photo show how Don connect his diodes with the receiver/transfer coils.
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02-27-2015, 05:18 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
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 Originally Posted by genessc Did you ever try and build don smiths device you picture as the source for your inspiration on this device? That thing don't work. I even bought the original B&W coils and the 25khz 6kv 30ma supply wouldn't drive it. I built 2-3 of the Smith devices, and None of them worked like he claimed. The only device that Smith guy showed was in a black pelican case which was large enough to store a battery to support the length of time the demo of that device occurred over. I've also watched smiths claim where he uses the insulation tester on one side of a homemade capacitor and connects the other side to earth ground via spark gap and he draws arcs from the ground and calls that OU. Anyways I'm curious what the aim is here. Coils inherently have capacity as a function of their solenoid or other type shape. Usually coils with low inductance have a high virtual capacitance and high inductance coils have a low virtual capacitance. What I mean when I say virtual capacitance is that the coils have a measurable Capacity that can be noted on a b&k 878A meter when its set to capacity and freq set to the 120hz or 1khz that the meter supports. Whats curious about the coils is that adding REAL capacitors to the coils in parallel will cause that "virtual capacity measured" on the inductances to then go to ZERO before it starts accruing up in the "real capacity" which is apparently something different from the capacity that the meters reading on just the straight inductance. An example is this: (arbitrary values used for example, not real measured results) I have a 100uH coil. It has 1200uF measured on it by the meter. I then add a 1200uF capacitor to the coil in parallel and remeasure the total capacity, and now the meter reads next to zero capacity. I would have to add a second 1200uF cap to cause the measured capacity to read 1200uF when there is still 2400uF of Real capacity put in parallel with the coil winding. Note that the values noted for R and L and C all change based on the frequency applied. (why its good to have a meter capable of measuring at more than a single frequency, preferably like the B&K 879A which measures at 4 diff freqs, while the 878A measures only at 120hz and 1khz.) Anyways maybe that helps you with your attempt to use coils as capacities themselves... Take it easy, Gene

The resonance energy device has a heart , its heart is L1 coil where energy amplification take action please take a look at the following video

notice Don Smith words : i put myself inside his mind ( he meant Nikola Tesla mind) and I've expanded an extended what Nikola Tesla has done!!!

my inspiration about this device came from a special asymmetrical capacitor i built, i gave it the name of C1/C2 system and it's based on a deformed Gaussian surface , i noticed the possibility of charging a capacitor without direct contact since i was able to take the high voltage from C2 while only C1 was fed !

this is similar to what Don Smith tried to tell us when he show us how the spark jump to the ground connection even if it wasn't a part from the system, the earth is able to form a huge capacitor plate providing the excess energy and i agree with him it's the Principe behind his OU device.

i didn't replicated Don device literally because i don't think ordinary coil and capacitor are able to supply the huge power gain he claimed to achieve... there must be a special process involve attracting ambient electrons with radio frequency speed ...

there is no comparison between ordinary parallel LC circuit and the E-TBC, the electromagnetic feedback inside the E-TBC is very special... the E-TBC is a coil and capacitor at the same time...... unlike normal LC circuit where it must be a coil or a capacitor but not both !!

the resonance energy device has something hidden and without understanding what this thing is it's impossible to replicate it, in another video Don gave us the secret but it was very difficult to predict it , he said : in a Tesla coil the right diameter with the right length with supply huge current with huge voltage !!!

what Tesla coil he was talking about ?now put yourself inside Nikola Tesla mind when he said :

My present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of
condensers which are expensive, cumbersome and difficult to maintain in
perfect condition, and to so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish
the same ultimate object.
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02-27-2015, 05:36 PM
 genessc Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 210
I see. I will leave you to your imagined reality then.

Surely if you think Dons device couldn't have worked as he presented it, its a weird thing that you think you can improve on what you think he failed to even get right when he shared.

I see you also failed to see my point that the inductor is ALWAYS an LCR all on its own. (without needing an R or C attached to it.) Its never just an inductance or just a capacity. (and neither is a capacitor just a capacity, it also has its own inductance depending on its formed geometry.)

I would be amazed if you could force the inductance to only be an inductance without any capacity or resistance.

Anyways cheers, and good luck!
Gene

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 Originally Posted by med.3012 The resonance energy device has a heart , its heart is L1 coil where energy amplification take action please take a look at the following video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4af39u1IyF4 notice Don Smith words : i put myself inside his mind ( he meant Nikola Tesla mind) and I've expanded an extended what Nikola Tesla has done!!! my inspiration about this device came from a special asymmetrical capacitor i built, i gave it the name of C1/C2 system and it's based on a deformed Gaussian surface , i noticed the possibility of charging a capacitor without direct contact since i was able to take the high voltage from C2 while only C1 was fed ! this is similar to what Don Smith tried to tell us when he show us how the spark jump to the ground connection even if it wasn't a part from the system, the earth is able to form a huge capacitor plate providing the excess energy and i agree with him it's the Principe behind his OU device. i didn't replicated Don device literally because i don't think ordinary coil and capacitor are able to supply the huge power gain he claimed to achieve... there must be a special process involve attracting ambient electrons with radio frequency speed ... there is no comparison between ordinary parallel LC circuit and the E-TBC, the electromagnetic feedback inside the E-TBC is very special... the E-TBC is a coil and capacitor at the same time...... unlike normal LC circuit where it must be a coil or a capacitor but not both !! the resonance energy device has something hidden and without understanding what this thing is it's impossible to replicate it, in another video Don gave us the secret but it was very difficult to predict it , he said : in a Tesla coil the right diameter with the right length with supply huge current with huge voltage !!! what Tesla coil he was talking about ?now put yourself inside Nikola Tesla mind when he said : My present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of condensers which are expensive, cumbersome and difficult to maintain in perfect condition, and to so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish the same ultimate object.
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#55
02-27-2015, 06:20 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
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 Originally Posted by genessc I see. I will leave you to your imagined reality then. Surely if you think Dons device couldn't have worked as he presented it, its a weird thing that you think you can improve on what you think he failed to even get right when he shared. I see you also failed to see my point that the inductor is ALWAYS an LCR all on its own. (without needing an R or C attached to it.) Its never just an inductance or just a capacity. (and neither is a capacitor just a capacity, it also has its own inductance depending on its formed geometry.) I would be amazed if you could force the inductance to only be an inductance without any capacity or resistance. Anyways cheers, and good luck! Gene

i agree with you the inductor is ALWAYS an LCR the same about the capacitor where it must have an inductance depending as you said on the geometry.

Don used an electromagnetic simulator to understand how his device works... meaning it's a no linear device, in other publication he talked about ELECTRONS SPIN MECHANISM, being a spark-gap ON-OFF !!

i am just providing my point of view, and i am confident with it, i can't force an inductance without any capacity or resistance, i am not a magician! i watched a film characterize Nikola Tesla as a magician when he invented a machine able to replicate the human being! in reality he invented a simple coil when extended it replicate the electric energy.... nothing more!

the E-TBC change what we call the displacement current with something called electrons spin mechanism...
the dynamic capacitor isn't similar with stray capacitor.... the dynamic capacitor is an energetic element because it's formed in a rotational energetic manner, the rotational induced electric field charge the E-TBC (when it providing the power) through the junction CD... this is why i call it a one dimensional capacitor.

remember imagination is more important than intelligent :-) , THANK YOU .
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#56
02-27-2015, 06:45 PM
 genessc Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 210
I disagree but I don't want to suppress your ambition.

Intelligence and objective observation will let you refine your imagined reality into one that matches with what the rest of us all share in out mutually shared world experience. Imagination is good, but not when its off the wall imagining stuff working that Smith himself was Never able to show working...

Good luck!
Gene

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 Originally Posted by med.3012 i agree with you the inductor is ALWAYS an LCR the same about the capacitor where it must have an inductance depending as you said on the geometry. Don used an electromagnetic simulator to understand how his device works... meaning it's a no linear device, in other publication he talked about ELECTRONS SPIN MECHANISM, being a spark-gap ON-OFF !! i am just providing my point of view, and i am confident with it, i can't force an inductance without any capacity or resistance, i am not a magician! i watched a film characterize Nikola Tesla as a magician when he invented a machine able to replicate the human being! in reality he invented a simple coil when extended it replicate the electric energy.... nothing more! the E-TBC change what we call the displacement current with something called electrons spin mechanism... the dynamic capacitor isn't similar with stray capacitor.... the dynamic capacitor is an energetic element because it's formed in a rotational energetic manner, the rotational induced electric field charge the E-TBC (when it providing the power) through the junction CD... this is why i call it a one dimensional capacitor. remember imagination is more important than intelligent :-) , THANK YOU .
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#57
02-27-2015, 07:27 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
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 Originally Posted by genessc I disagree but I don't want to suppress your ambition. Intelligence and objective observation will let you refine your imagined reality into one that matches with what the rest of us all share in out mutually shared world experience. Imagination is good, but not when its off the wall imagining stuff working that Smith himself was Never able to show working... Good luck! Gene
i am an educated person and a self-thought, i spent the needed time to study and test the E-TBC, i start my thread by asking experimental people to help in practical manner... since the E-TBC show unusual behavior, from my experience in the field i can see it amplify the current beside the provided high voltage ...
i received a statement about the double frequency predicted in my presentation , from your side you can test the device and show us if this is true or not, this is what i need at the moment.

i am not talking about dreams! i am thinking in energetic manner, the energy is the source in this universe and everything you see around you is a reflection of this energy....

take a look at Smith.pdf , now notice what the inventor said :

TECHNICAL FIELD:

The Invention relates to loaded Dipole Antenna Systems and their Electromagnetic radiation. When used as a
transformer with an appropriate energy collector system it becomes a transformer generator. The invention
collects and converts energy which, with conventional devices, is radiated and wasted.

BACKGROUND ART:

An International search of Patent Databases for closely related methods did not reveal any prior Art with an
Interest in conserving radiated and wasted magnetic waves as useful energy.

DISCLOSURE OF INVENTION:

The Invention is a new and useful departure from transformer generator construction, such that radiated and
wasted magnetic energy changes into useful electrical energy. Gauss Meters show that much energy from
conventional electromagnetic devices is radiated back into the ambient background and wasted. In the case of
energy available. It is found that creating a dipole and Inserting capacitor plates at right angle to the current flow, allows magnetic waves to change back to useful electrical (coulombs) energy. Magnetic waves passing through the capacitor plates do not degrade and the full impact of the available energy is accessed. One, or many sets of capacitor plates, may be used as desired. Each set of plates makes an exact copy of the full force and effect of the energy present in the magnetic waves. The originating source is not depleted or degraded as is common in conventional transformers

notice the words radiated and wasted, the inventor was talking about the induced electric field, i analyzed this phenomena in my presentation and i said why the E-TBC is able to conserve this wasted field.

it's my perspective how i see things... is it true or false is a mere question of time ...
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#58
02-27-2015, 07:33 PM
 genessc Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 210
Ok. Will watch to see how you do. Good luck!

Gene
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#59
02-28-2015, 08:49 PM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
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 Originally Posted by wayne.ct You mentioned that you tried this circuit with two different E-TBC and it gave a nice result showing the frequency of 3.2 MHZ and 1.4 MHZ. One operated at a frequency of 3.2 MHz and the other at 1.4 MHz, correct? Can you please post dimensions, materials, circuit diagram and detail the connections to your test equipment? Other measurements that would be helpful to confirm your observations would also be appreciated. Thank you.
This is the circuit used for testing the resonance frequency, all the electronic parts from old equipment.

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03-01-2015, 12:22 AM
 med.3012 Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Algeria Posts: 1,076
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 Originally Posted by genessc Ok. Will watch to see how you do. Good luck! Gene
This is an open project , you can contribute , my success is your success and yours is mine, THANK YOU !
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