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just to share my experience about capacitors charging , the device i am using is the extended Tesla bifilar coil in short the ETBC , it's L 1 or the reactor coil , after trying for a long time to take some power from L2, all what i had is pure voltage without any electric current trying to light a 100 W bulb was like a dream ...

all the previous experiments was done with the following ETBC where the center tap was opened, this mean CD is open, normally i use a spark gap there to achieve the resonance in high voltage but unfortunately something very important is missing ...






after working very hard the problem was solved with easy only when closing the position CD as the follow drawing :







the ETBC in short is special parallel LC that oscillate in twice the normal frequency of equivalent parallel LC circuit , the resonance frequency of this special coil is this :





double frequency mean the magnetic flux behave differently from ordinary electromagnetic oscillating system .. another quote from Don smith :








Don smith system is based on electron spin balance where the spark gap is created naturally through electrons spin separation mechanism ... only when i closed the junction CD the device start to give useful power that can light a 100W light bulb ... in my opinion it's all about energy balance exactly as a permanent magnet . when the resonance is achieved both magnetic or electric flux can present in huge amount !
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the next step is to use the ETBC in high voltage environment, around 1000 V resonating system will be a good start , the problem is how to built such a resonating system in high voltage using moderate equipment, for example using a resonating system like the following , it's not complete schematic from smith.pdf but an important principle is there where we use a high frequency solid state Tesla coil to make the ETBC resonate in full power, we need something resonate between 500 khz and 1 mhz , some electronic simulator software will help a lots, any good idea ?


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this is the oscillator circuit design based on a small ETBC as a tank circuit which allow a variation of frequency between 500 KHZ and 800 KHZ, using a small ETBC will solve the oscillation start condition because it work between hartley and colpitts design , i am waiting for some suggestion from the readers of this thread about the best way to drive either a power MOSFET or a power transistor to feed a small Tesla coil to generate a voltage around 1000 V ( we could work with higher voltage into 4000V , later i will explain why it's better not to go more than 4000 V ! )











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The big problem in this thread is the inactivity of most visitors! even if you don't understand something please ask , if you know better teach me ! if you have an observation give it , we make these research by our strength, it's not too much to give a words ...
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I would like to see a clearer more detailed version of this schematic if anyone could provide it. Still having a difficult time making the primary coils on any of these devices "sing" the way I know they are supposed to. I have a pile of different hv power supplies, and related gear, can get some coils to emit a disturbance 6 feet away but the waveform is usually not what I am expecting.

Any idea what the wave form would look like if a probe were held near the primary coil?
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it's not easy to reply your question without a practical proof from already working over energy device, but it's obviously clear the wave form have to show an increased oscillation so there's an extraction of energy from the ambient back ground.


the ETBC show this behavior when using high ETBC turn number , i mean when you make a high turn primary coil, this special capacitor/coil use a conducting foils instead of normal wire, my explanation about this is the magnetic field because this system is a magnetic resonating system, if the magnetic field flow in the axis X the electric portion flow in the axis Y :







it's clear the magnetic portion isn't restricted by the electric portion, in this case the electric current as we know it don't follow the voltage but it's perpendicular to the flow of voltage , the two are radiant fields .. if we go back we see the important player in this case is the magnetic field because it's the field capable to extract the ambient electric power ..

now the resonance is the only way to achieve a cheap magnetic flux , magnetic field is always related to the electric current , electric current plus high voltage mean huge amount of power ( we have to start from a tiny electric power ... ) , parallel LC resonance can be named as current resonance because the electric current in either the coil or the capacitor cancel each other , so the system take minimal power from the source ...


if you apply this to high voltage and we take an example using coil 32 software : see the following photo :





the resistance of this tank circuit in this frequency 549 KHZ equal to 10 ohm , if your system resonate in 1000 V the amount of electric current balance in your system = 1000 v / 10 = 100 A !!! the ETBC is designed to convert reactive to active so you can take the 100 A from the secondary if the resonance is achieved ..
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completing the previous idea



as the proverb said the nearest distance between two points is the straight line, i think it's better to feed the ETBC directly by its resonance frequency exactly as a kids play in a swing :







the mother is the high voltage power source, the objective is to keep the system resonate in high level ( in this case we are sure we have an exact copy of electric current that converted from the high voltage resonating L/C which is the ETBC ) , it's not good to disturb the oscillation , the timing is very important exactly as in some mechanical systems , if this is done a little push from the mother will keep the boy happy ...
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designing high voltage variable frequency power source using transistors need some skills due to the low gain of power transistor , just to share an article about a high frequency high voltage transformer :





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Thank you for the reply, do you think "power source module" in Smiths drawing was intended to operate at high frequency? Or was that side low frequency and the coil it was powering intended to ring at it's natural resonant frequency? The reason I ask is because it would mean the difference between using an iron or a ferrite core in the transformer.
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Thank you for the reply, do you think "power source module" in Smiths drawing was intended to operate at high frequency? Or was that side low frequency and the coil it was powering intended to ring at it's natural resonant frequency? The reason I ask is because it would mean the difference between using an iron or a ferrite core in the transformer.



Don Smith device is a radio frequency generator the same as a normal generator where the movement of coil and magnet disturb the ambient back ground and create the needed electric dipole ...


in the resonance induction system the operation is reversed .. the first thing is to protect the dipole generate the oscillation, for this to happen an open resonating system must be implemented, now it's a natural resonant frequency but we need a smart way to feed this special mechanism without irritation , in other words the process have to be constructive ..

as you see we have two frequencies ... the frequency of high voltage DC pulse that excite the system , and the natural resonant frequency of your open resonating induction system , the best option is to use a relatively higher frequency that can be changed easily to meet the constrictive condition , identical frequency is better ... for this we need to decrease the resonance frequency of your open resonating induction system further more , i guess 240 KHZ will be a good choice but no test done until now , i am preparing this experiments !
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Hello Med.3012

You system remembers a lot to Dr. Imris' capacitomagnetic coil.
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as you see we have two frequencies ... the frequency of high voltage DC pulse that excite the system , and the natural resonant frequency of your open resonating induction system
If you had to guess what range do you think the high voltage dc pulse frequency would be?

For that I have an automotive ignition coil, an iron core nst stripped of it's gfci, an ac flyback, some dc flybacks, a pvm400 or a handmade neon sign transformer (69khz). I have created many circuits most of them using spark gaps, that get the coil to ring and disturb ambient (shown by a voltage detector stick) but I don't think they are ringing it the right way, or at the right frequency.
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You system remembers a lot to Dr. Imris' capacitomagnetic coil.



Hello Aetherscientist ! how are you :-) ?


yes it's very close but unfortunately no deep research about it published to the public , it's very close for the following statement from Imris's patent :



1 bias current - a quantity proportional to the rate of change of the alternating electric field in the dielectric or vacuum.
2 The fact that the magnetic field is created not only familiar to us the translational motion of charges (conduction current or a shock) but also any change in the electric field with time. Thus, to create an alternating magnetic field is completely unnecessary charges translational movement, as is the case in conventional transformers. enough only to vibrate the charges on the spot, thus creating a time-varying electric field. This goal we achieved by means of a belt of the capacitor. Thus, no current flows, and an alternating magnetic field is generated
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yes it's very close but unfortunately no deep research about it published to the public , it's very close for the following statement from Imris's patent :



1 bias current - a quantity proportional to the rate of change of the alternating electric field in the dielectric or vacuum.
2 The fact that the magnetic field is created not only familiar to us the translational motion of charges (conduction current or a shock) but also any change in the electric field with time. Thus, to create an alternating magnetic field is completely unnecessary charges translational movement, as is the case in conventional transformers. enough only to vibrate the charges on the spot, thus creating a time-varying electric field. This goal we achieved by means of a belt of the capacitor. Thus, no current flows, and an alternating magnetic field is generated
Hello med.3012. Researching a little bit more.
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Yes, a magnetic field can be created using capacitive displacement power.
In the following video, the input to the transformer is single wire from Tesla's coil. You know the output from Tesla's coil is displacement current. An alternating electric field.
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I replicated some weeks ago a patent from Dr. Imris and, in theory, you get a magnetic field using an oscillating electric field.
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I replicated some weeks ago a patent from Dr. Imris and, in theory, you get a magnetic field using an oscillating electric field.


yes Imris patent is very important but it's very difficult to make such a primary coil that resonate in 50 hz, keep in mind the resonance frequency of your cap/coil is doubled if we take the following parameters :






in the capa/coil we need the double capacitance and double inductance , say 200 mH and 200 uF
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If you had to guess what range do you think the high voltage dc pulse frequency would be?

For that I have an automotive ignition coil, an iron core nst stripped of it's gfci, an ac flyback, some dc flybacks, a pvm400 or a handmade neon sign transformer (69khz). I have created many circuits most of them using spark gaps, that get the coil to ring and disturb ambient (shown by a voltage detector stick) but I don't think they are ringing it the right way, or at the right frequency.

it's not a guess , it's what i have in my hand, flyback transformer seem to be a bad choice due to the position of diode in these transformers, the response in it can't be predicted also due to the parasitic capacitor in the secondary side ... if you want to try something with the ETBC i suggest using square waves with very small duty circle 10% is good ! also try to work bellow 300 KHZ as resonance frequency of ETBC, using ferrite core will help decrease the resonance frequency and also help to achieve magnetic ringing .
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Yes, a magnetic field can be created using capacitive displacement power.
In the following video, the input to the transformer is single wire from Tesla's coil. You know the output from Tesla's coil is displacement current. An alternating electric field.


all is Ok , thanks for asking , you didn't clarified your request in PM, i am also researching a little bit more as a lots of ideas pop up but it's not easy to experiments because every-time i make new coils changing something to see what happen.. , securing some needed parts etc ...

most of us here want an easy but effective way to produce significant electric power but we forget the mind produce such things is very rare or at least we have a few of them in this world ... collective work is a must here ! as there's a strong connection between over energy devices it appear to be the same thing in different forms or names ...


thanks for the above video ... there's some kind of music that have to be heard in these devices to work ...
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I replicated some weeks ago a patent from Dr. Imris and, in theory, you get a magnetic field using an oscillating electric field.

the electric field is the magnetic field itself ..seen from another frame, the proof about that is the ETBC itself when it oscillate in a specific frequency even there's no capacitor since it's already short circuited .. the coil is opened also, the charge and discharge mechanism is there in electron's spin separation mechanism , the geometry of Tesla bifilar coil when extended help the electrons to stay in its place doing it job perfectly , in other words it's the equivalent of permanent magnet in a dynamic state.. the problem with electric side is it's a dissipater component that have to be stored in a capacitor banks for a perfect usage .. the latest test show this capability when using the ETBC directly as a tank for mazzilli driver and then taking the power from a single wire ( the hv side ) some interesting phenomena appear because the excitation appear to be very high but further test have to be done to improve the things to an acceptable level ... i really don't know the next step ! maybe trying plasma excitation system using the ETBC as a source of more balanced energy .. maybe the gas will amplify or provide a good medium for energy transformation ... who know ?
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After reading your pdf on the etbc I understand more than the first time I read it. I have battery/mazilli driver/dc flyback/ spark gap/ capacitor bank/pile of caps for impedence matching. The bifilar coil looks easy enough to make and I get how to make it now.

Referring to fig 45 on your pdf, Do you have any suggestions on what the L2 is supposed to look like? I have an l2 for a Don Smith device ready to use. (edit.. nevermind, I just found it "The coil length is about 25cm as shown in Figure 42, the diameter is 6 cm, and the thickness of the wire is 1.18 mm (AWG #17 or swg 18) and the number of turns is about 200. "

"Some applications may not need an inverter. An electric heater can be fed directly from the capacitors banks but we have to prevent the Alternating Current coming from L2 to enter the heater by using another high inductance coil. "

Very interested in this, where would the high inductance coil be placed in the circuit? I don't care if I had a "self runner" if I could power i.e. 10kw worth of heaters for 100w and no easy way to get the power back to the source I would still be very very happy.
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After reading your pdf on the etbc I understand more than the first time I read it. I have battery/mazilli driver/dc flyback/ spark gap/ capacitor bank/pile of caps for impedence matching. The bifilar coil looks easy enough to make and I get how to make it now.

Referring to fig 45 on your pdf, Do you have any suggestions on what the L2 is supposed to look like? I have an l2 for a Don Smith device ready to use. (edit.. nevermind, I just found it "The coil length is about 25cm as shown in Figure 42, the diameter is 6 cm, and the thickness of the wire is 1.18 mm (AWG #17 or swg 18) and the number of turns is about 200. "

"Some applications may not need an inverter. An electric heater can be fed directly from the capacitors banks but we have to prevent the Alternating Current coming from L2 to enter the heater by using another high inductance coil. "

Very interested in this, where would the high inductance coil be placed in the circuit? I don't care if I had a "self runner" if I could power i.e. 10kw worth of heaters for 100w and no easy way to get the power back to the source I would still be very very happy.


to be honest there's some errors in my pdf even though the overall idea is correct , this is why i am here to expand and correct this system.

L2 can be a combination of CW and CCW set of coil where each side have to have 4 time the length of ETBC ( the two foils ) moving L1 inside this coil can help in tuning and eliminate lenz's law effect , standing waves have to be seeing in order to success in this , sudden change in wire diameter / material can help in the creation of reflecting waves


L2 can be also a large turn coil exactly as Tesla coil, the self resonance frequency of it have to be equal or less the frequency of ETBC, i did a test where the Tesla coil frequency = 500 khz and the frequency of ETBC = 1.5 mhz , this is a disadvantage since the parasitic capacitance work as a hidden load even when using single wire harvesting technique ..


L2 can be a plasma tube where the excited gas atom work as amplification or transformation medium radio-ionic


about the application that don't need an inverter there's a lots of things to consider here , not only the power but the electric current that generate the heat ! in this case it better to step down the voltage to get even higher electric current ..
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If I run out of other experiments to try I might measure one of my don smith l2 coils and make an etbc 1/4 length of each half and see what happens.
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If I run out of other experiments to try I might measure one of my don smith l2 coils and make an etbc 1/4 length of each half and see what happens.


good luck with your experiments, if you love the idea behind the ETBC you can try either the Mixed ETBC or the serial ETBC , about me i am doing some calculation before going so far in experiments.
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Yes, a magnetic field can be created using capacitive displacement power.
In the following video, the input to the transformer is single wire from Tesla's coil. You know the output from Tesla's coil is displacement current. An alternating electric field.



i just tested this experiment with an ETBC and it worked perfectly,the details about this is attached.



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i just tested this experiment with an ETBC and it worked perfectly,the details about this is attached.



Hi Med!
Do you say you are able to charge a "decharged" battery and light a bulb with this circuit??

Interesting!


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the Battery offer a virtual ground for the electrostatic induction to work better it's there to help cancelling the induction of large coil L2 even though you can do the experiment without it but it help to get the bulb brighter ...

there's a strange relation between the electromagnetic inductance and the electrostatic induction but it's obviously Don Smith used this circuit , please take a look at the following drawing referred to Don :






the coil 6A and 8 share the same magnetic core , it's the small ferrite torroid used in this test , because electrostatic induction work in serial this is an old Tesla schematic used for light experiments but there's a small change in Don schematic to blind our eyes about the source of this vital information !!!

the following from Tesla old writing !!




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there's more details about this will come soon Insha Allah , i decided to replicate this circuit when i read about it in Tesla writing but the most impressing thing is that Tesla gave a strong hint about free energy and this circuit ! !
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