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Oh, yes...this Don Smith tabletop device is a real deal, and a big problem. You forgot about diodes
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Oh, yes...this Don Smith tabletop device is a real deal, and a big problem. You forgot about diodes
HI !

thanks for your post, i didn't mentioned the diode because i use color TV flyback transformer that equipped with built in HV diode, there's a lots of methods to use the E-TBC, for example you can avoid using the spark gap completely if direct resonance is achieved but the SG can be used as voltage limiting device due to the very high amplification gained when direct resonance is achieved ! the SG in Don Smith tabletop device is for dealing with the higher voltage spikes ( undesired )....

you can see the HV DC mentioned in the previous posted circuit, but no problem to repeat the drawing here :




direct resonance isn't easy to achieve, especially in high voltage environment, a replacement easy to replicate circuit is good, the power obtained will be low but it must be an OU device, the condition of using a specific wire length is clear now, DS say it : don't worry about the frequency, you have to use either a division or multiplication of wire length!

now the big problem is why the frequency isn't important even though when we talk about standing wave we have to deal with wave length ! the E-TBC is able to set a difference of potential according it's half foil length, any Bi-filar coil can do that, in dynamic state we know how the E-TBC react, in any time the induced electric field secure a fixed voltage between the capacitor plate the same as the 1/2 coil length, node and anti node is what we need in standing waves this mean we are looking for max and min points the same as Tesla did in his wireless power transmission system, L2 will respond according its length because if point A handle max voltage point B handle max current and the zero point is X the strange area ... this mean we are working with another kind of electromagnetic induction ( known as electrostatic induction but it still has another electromagnetic potion.. )
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i just want to share an interesting scientific article about transmitting multiple radio channels over exactly the same wireless frequency!!! here you are the link :

Vortex radio waves could boost wireless capacity ?infinitely? | ExtremeTech




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Hi Med.

It sounds interesting

I have also something for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Ea98Fdz8Y

This guy has absolutely excellent video series. In this part he shows the experiment when he has two LC cuircuits. He charge the capacitor C1 and when he connect it to the circuit, something happen. Normally you would say the energy on C1 will go down and capacitor C2 will go UP. But when you study the very first moment of connection (the impuls), you can see the charge on capacitor C1 GOES UP and also on C2 GOES UP. Equivalent of energy several KW After half year spending on this finding he didn't find the way how to get that energy out of the system. He says it creates the energy vacuum in aether, which (tries to fill) back.
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Hi John,

thanks for the link , i am still not able to watch the video due to the low connection speed, so i will download it this night, maybe this guy is facing the same problem i have with the E-TBC, i am wondering about the language as i saw the link it's Russian i can't i understand what he will say, but i will watch it.

about the above given link , i agree with you it's interesting to send a couple of radio channels using the same frequency, another member here Magnethos suggested to engineer the "angular momentum" this is one of his nice drawing :



unfortunately i forget a lots of my mathematics skills, so i am not able to do complicated calculation but i hope to get a good vision about this.
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Hi Med, everything is connected with everything. I have made today several pancake coils. Pancake, because I can easily change the distance between them and can connect them also as a coil/capacitors. The guy from above link also use them for that experiment. But in one his video he recommends to study Gennady Nikolaev's "secondary magnetic field" as it plays an important part in the coils relations . I have downloaded a pdf document now and I am studying it now here
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Old 08-16-2015, 11:05 PM
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hello everyone!

every week i receive some emails about this device, do i have a working prototype or no ? the reply is simple i don't have it yet! i shared the idea as soon as possible in a hope for someone else to continue the job, maybe a couple of person as i watched some Russian guys working as one team, this was very awesome, i felt happy to see this :-)

i am saying this because sometimes i feel despair, but i will continue my work until the end..

so, what's next?

the idea have to be slightly modified, CD connection have to be closed permanently, this is very important for the three parameter to work together, as i said before R. L . C, the E-TBC have to work in resonance which is a bit difficult to achieve in high voltage, but i think we could solve this problem by working across some steps :


1- the first thing we have to do is to know the resonance frequency for our E-TBC, this can be done very easy using the previous discussed Colpitts oscillator, the E-TBC must be connected through A .B . X , now measure this frequency in a paper.

2- the second step is knowing the frequency of HV module, in a case you are using Mazzili driver it's the frequency of the tank circuit that work with the two MOSFET.

3- now you know the frequency of E-TBC and you know the frequency of HV module, these two frequency have to be matched in order to achieve the resonance if CD connection is closed , how we do that ? read more!

4- you have to put another capacitor in parallel with the E-TBC when it's oscillating in low voltage using the simple transistor oscillator, now watch the wave form using your scope ( when the test is done i will supply the results ) now you have two options :

A- you could add more capacitor until you get a frequency equal the frequency of HV module
B- you need to know the relation affect the resonating system E-TBC + C ( the capacitor have to be added ) in order to calculate the capacitor needed .


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for less problem it's better to work with Mazzili driver for high frequency, the second thing the E-TBC have to have a higher capacitance, if you have etched foil use it, but you still have another parameter which is L the inductance of E-TBC, the idea is to work with less manageable frequency in the E-TBC side, for example 400 KHZ or less will be good, i hope to post more result later soon .
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Hi John, Hi everyone !


what's up ? i just finished forming the foils needed to make the new E-TBC, a chemical etching process has done in order to achieve more surface, maybe about 2 to 3 or more surface! advanced technique may give X100 time or more

the foils must be cleaned with water and kept in dry place before using it, this process isn't a must, but it's good to achieve more capacitance, i used 3 meter length in each foil, the width of foil is about 6 cm , i will use a relatively thin plastic isolator so the distance between foils will be smaller, because CD connection is closed we could work with relatively small high voltage in order of 4KV or 5 to 6KV, i know the problem is still achieving the direct resonance, at the moment i can't give more detail since no practical test has done but i will just discuss an important phenomena regarding the length between L1 and L2 .

one of the amazing phenomena about the E-TBC is the effect of L2 coil toward L1 , this mean L1 will see if L2 is inside its core or outside! to achieve length matching between L1/L2 we have to make L2 inside L1 ... but why ?

in reality this is due to its special geometry, the E-TBC form a kind of open parallel L/C circuit, if L1 is inside L2 this character will be affected since L2 will be a closed circuit, if L1 is outside L2 some special phenomena will happen and the two coils may talk to each other !

when we say the E-TBC form an open circuit i don't mean the energetic side ( the attraction of electrons and so on ... ) but i mean the geometry itself, for example when the coil start oscillating the power start from point A to point B, these two point form an open coil but it still can oscillate since the one D capacitor is hidden inside

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completing the previous post :

if L2 is inside L1 the phenomena look like water vortex :



in the water vortex the speed will increase if we move toward the center , but in the E-TBC the center is the spin separation area, this is like Magnethos drawing :



Now L2 look like the small moving ball, L1 will set the trajectory and the speed so the two coil must have a related length in order to achieve these max V , max I , spin separation area which is the point X!
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Hi Med,

Interesting. I am playing now with the flat coils as it is giving you great benefit of changing easily the distance between them. And the changing the distance also means change of the phase etc.

Think flat
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Interesting. I am playing now with the flat coils as it is giving you great benefit of changing easily the distance between them. And the changing the distance also means change of the phase etc.

Think flat
i hope if we could work together; you and me on the same design, the E-TBC is nothing than 3D flat, i know it's easy to work with your flat coils and this is understood, so Good luck !


the E-TBC form a kind of special parallel L/C circuit plus another serial L/C circuit, the two work together if CD connection is closed and if the device in natural resonance this can't be seeing in transistor driven circuit since ( for example using a Colpitts oscillator with the E-TBC ) there's a feedback from the E-TBC ( Tank circuit ) and can't be seeing if CD connection is used as spark-gap, because the current meet the voltage in only one position when the SG has a max resistance, this is the time when the second phase oscillation start, the two mechanisms serial and parallel meet each other in just one point! for this point to be achieved we need :

1- CD connection have to be closed
2- the device must have a kind of high voltage DC to oscillate naturally


our previous studies prove this, if we talk about the mixed E-TBC and how this device is able to produce voltage and current at the same time, the single E-TBC can do that if the positive E-TBC can work with the negative E-TBC through X junction, now it's obvious why CD have to be closed and the device must resonate naturally ( we have to tune it for max power )
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clarification about serial/parallel resonance inside the E-TBC




another complicated behavior inside the E-TBC is the serial resonance! the original idea about this isn't mine, a friend clarified the idea to me, the first thoughts was seen if CD connection is open, here we will have two coils AC and DB they are connected using the capacitance formed between these two coils if CD is open, now let consider the past/future light cone discussed in my document :

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the model describe the serial resonance when CD is open isn't accurate! what i am going to say is a bit complicated but the past/future light cone still has the answer, to make the things easy we have to consider two points, AB is the coil side ( magnetic side ) they form an open circuit, this is a coil has a capacitor built in it, CD is the capacitor side ( electric side ) this is a closed circuit, X point resemble the broken symmetry! all the elements inside the E-TBC met in just one point, the reader is invited to read the above PDF so the whole idea can be seen ... serial resonance appear only between the two phases before the coil start charging the capacitor, it's the time when AB (open) will transform into AB ( closed ).

the whole idea behind the E-TBC is to eliminate the use of displacement current and change it by spin separation area when the two energetic portions magnetic and electric are in equal state physically AB (open) will function the same as AB ( closed ) this phase is the exact serial resonance state and can be achieved only when CD connection is closed !
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Just to put the scope result from a previously proposed circuit if CD connection is closed, the test used under high voltage, taking the voltage across safety distance using another pickup coil.

this is the proposed circuit :



this is the result :




this prove the importance of using the E-TBC if CD is closed, the oscillation increase when passing through zero volt which indicate the importance of the third parameter which is R , this is the super conductivity in room temperature ( another kind of negative resistance ). for better results it's vital to look for direct resonance !
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Just to share an idea about using square waves to achieve the mini resonance if the main resonance is difficult to achieve :



the full document is here :

http://go.owu.edu/~rakaye/PHYS275/Di...20Circuits.ppt

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Hi Med.

I just think about the ODD harmonics in the Parallel LC contour ( 3,5,.etc).
From the other build I remember the ODD harmonics are "destructive" in the system while EVEN harmonics are Aditive?
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I just think about the ODD harmonics in the Parallel LC contour ( 3,5,.etc).
From the other build I remember the ODD harmonics are "destructive" in the system while EVEN harmonics are Aditive?

HI John.

i only tested the square wave using the output from NE555 oscillator, using the scope i only achieved 24khz as max frequency even thought NE555 may achieve 200 khz very easy!!! the circuit i built is variable frequency/duty , the capacitor used to set the frequency is 10nf , so i think the chip is very old.

i achieved the mini resonance using normal parallel L/C in low voltage mode using these generated square wave, i remember i got two point of resonance, the amplitude will vary also as you know, in the scope the output wave was stable, i think this is good, i am planning to apply HV square wave on the E-TBC, but the problem is the low frequency i got !
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Just thinking if you know what is the resonant frequency of the device, supply it with the double of it. It should mute the ODD frequencies. I think.
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Just thinking if you know what is the resonant frequency of the device, supply it with the double of it. It should mute the ODD frequencies. I think.

can you explain more ? thanks in advance
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First I consider my capacitors are made of coil/cap. So I know what is the resonance frequency. I know if you have a string of guitar and you put gently your finger right in the middle of your string it will mute ODD frequencies. Electric equivalent would be to use the second, fourth.. harmonic as an input?
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First I consider my capacitors are made of coil/cap. So I know what is the resonance frequency. I know if you have a string of guitar and you put gently your finger right in the middle of your string it will mute ODD frequencies. Electric equivalent would be to use the second, fourth.. harmonic as an input?

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Hi John !

i would like to know your opinion about an idea came to my mind, i propose using a toroid with the E-TBC to achieve the resonance with easy, here you are the circuit :




i suppose the E-TBC to be just like a coil, the impedance of capacitor will be in minus, the system will form a complex impedance but the resonance can be achieved very easy using a variable frequency NE555, i would like to know your opinion about using the diode ?

i did some calculation and it appear the resonance can be achieve...
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Hi Med.

I am not sure if I have posed it here before but check this guy Alexandr Mischin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80NdiyxpzbA Watch from 11:00

Also the system of capacitor/coils, kind of reminds me the stuff we talk here about
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I am not sure if I have posed it here before but check this guy Alexandr Mischin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80NdiyxpzbA Watch from 11:00

Also the system of capacitor/coils, kind of reminds me the stuff we talk here about
As i see the video in Russian, but this is another video, my idea consist of using another high inductance to avoid the need for high voltage capacitor, for example 2uF /15KV isn't easy to find, in other hand they are very expensive, adding high inductance with the E-TBC in serial, together we form a parallel system, now a low capacitance can play in this resonating system, for example i have 300nf /10k capacitor, 100nf HV capacitor can be built locally with aluminum foils.. i am asking about the resonance how the E-TBC will act, can you imagine ?
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Can you simulate? You can use free LTspice (is very good) or some other free Circuit simulator
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Can you simulate? You can use free LTspice (is very good) or some other free Circuit simulator

i tried long time ago to simulate the E-TBC, but it need a lot of time, most powerful simulator isn't free, the trial version are very limited, upon all this you need some times to be used to work with electromagnetic simulator ! so i forget about this.

the proposed circuit is very simple since we already know how the ETBC will work, the objective is to achieve a good voltage value across this device all the time !
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Just bare in mind that diode is not as easy as it looks. Diode has one way flow if we speaking about + and -. But has also flow when you have - and 0 (still difference of potentials)
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Just bare in mind that diode is not as easy as it looks. Diode has one way flow if we speaking about + and -. But has also flow when you have - and 0 (still difference of potentials)

if i have the answer i wouldn't ask you , the diode will block the inductance to oscillate back, while it's possible for the high voltage DC spike to charge the capacitor ( i am wondering about this ) ? if the capacitor can be charged to high value or no ?
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