This is the new discussion board for RadiantH20 originating from:
radianth2o : radianth2o

The goal of this group is to explore the creation of gas from water using voltage potential as opposed to electron current (amperage), so this is not about electrolysis. Please keep posts on topic.

Relevant topics are applying Bedini's circuits to the production of water gas, Stan Meyer's technologies and other water gas technologies based on "VOLTAGE POTENTIAL". Brown's Gas technologies could be on topic here and anyone is free to create a Brown's (Rhoads) Gas specific thread.

Here is a water fuel cell I created and tested - 670kb and AVI video format

Here is the Stan Meyer Water Fuel Cell Technical Brief - 3.77mb PDF format
On page 8 of this document, Stan Meyer clearly states "Using VOLTAGE POTENTIAL to stimulate the water molecule to produce atomic energy on demand." Clearly stating Meyer was full aware of using voltage potential and not current.

Little by little I'll bring all the files over from RadiantH20 yahoo group and we will also have unlimited space for files.

Here is a link to the water cell test video. I added credits and you can see the watts that I put into that cell.

YouTube - Water Fuel Cell - Gas | Stan Meyer Replication Free Energy

Aaron

Impressive amount of gas for 36W!
Did you use the setup as per Figure 1-1 (page 20) of the Stan Meyer technical brief?
What kind of stepup transformer and chokes have you used?

Passion1 (passionate about alternative energy!)

Nice video! Although it looks like only the cylinder in front is producing the lions share of the gas.

Quick question: Are you using the same waveform/schematics as on Stan's patent?

/me needs to check the file section on the yahoo group.

Hi Passion1,

They are t304 tubes with a 1mm gap in between the inside and outside tube.

For this amount of gas, I have used both a regular variac output through a bridge for dc and also the Bedini circuits.

I wound my own inductors on the + end and never used one on the - end. I was definitely able to get higher voltage for lower amps to the cell with the inductor. I have wound some with as little as 100 turns of about 26 guage magnet wire and I have also used a small spool of magnet wire about 100-150 feet long.

I'll post a simple variac schematic so that people can at least just make gas. After that works, then they can start working on the efficiency.

Hi Shamus,

The front cylinder setup is the only one connected in this video.

I have used both up to 36 watts at 120hz dc and also higher frequency with the Bedini circuits to do the same thing.

I'll post the first one to start with just so people can start doing this.

Aaron

I have been experimenting with Meyers now for quite some time but up until now could not manage to produce as much gas as you!
If you could guide myself and others to be able to produce just as much gas as you, we (and the whole world!) will
be forever grateful!!
Funny enough, my next step was to try Bedini as well! For this reason I have just bought his book "Free Energy Generation".
Did you use his "Radiant Energy Charger" as per p.46 of this book?

Hi Passion1,

Your thought on the Bedini circuit is great! In the first page of the fuel cell manual by Meyer, he says he used VOLTAGE POTENTIAL. Everyone is looking for magic open sesame frequencies but that isn't what it is about. Every single cell will have it's own resonant frequency and it also has nothing to do with tank circuit concepts. Look at Meyer's circuits with the 555 and look at the Free Energy Generation book circuit.

Anwway, I'll post more on that later.

Here is a simple schematic that works as seen in the video. With the Bedini circuits... AFTER I conditioned the cell, it made almost the same amount of gas for less input.

Aaron

Thank you for your advice!
Where can we download your schematic?

You said:
"Everyone is looking for magic open sesame frequencies but that isn't what it is about. Every single cell will have it's own resonant frequency and it also has nothing to do with tank circuit concepts."

Do you suggest that we should NOT be looking for LC circuit resonance?

Hi Passion1,

If you see Meyer's schematics, you have the blocking diode going from the positive. The pulses CANNOT reverse polarity and go back and forth. (neg to pos)...the blocking diode causes unidirectional impulses so absolutely do NOT look for LC circuit resonance. Even with an inductor on the + for example...when the pulse is turned off, the inductor dischares FORWARD since it can't go backwards. Any oscillating pulses reversing polarity would defeat the purpose of utilizing the cell as a capacitor, which is exactly what it is. Reversing polarity would simply cause the water molecules or the overall entire cell to not stay polarized.

I posted another video clip..same clip but changed the credits to give a few more pieces of info of what I did.

Hi Folks,

Here is a link to another YouTube clip. This is taken from my lecture at the KeelyNet Conference in the summer of 2001 where I explain the Stan Meyer method. This was the first public disclosure of the method and is one of the many technologies I discuss on my DVD titled The World of Free Energy available on my website.

YouTube - Stanley Meyer - Xogen - System Explained

This should clear up any confusion about how this system works.

Enjoy,

Peter

in simple terms what the voltage potential is and where it comes from for example to do the water gas as seen in my video: visit White Dragon Press™ | Aaron Murakami and sign up on the list. you will be notified when you can get a copy.

http://www.energeticforum.com/energy...schematic.html

If you go there, you MUST be a registered user here. That isn't too much to ask.

Do so by going here:

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Hi,

150 liters of H2 at atmospheric pressure <=> 0,042 liters of gazoline.

Do you think you could get so big amount of H2 to run something ?

Loubar

good results from other experimenters:

OS:Water Fuel Cell - PESWiki

OUPower.com :: View topic - Ravi's Meyer Replication- Tap Water to H2

Hi Loubar,

I have seen Terro (I think from while back) and others run small engines 100% on water gas, however, they couldn't produce enough to keep it running but it worked for sure. The big breakthrough will be when one of us produces more than we need AND to share it with everyone.

I have strong interest in the healing applications of this gas. Relieves aches and pain being blown on joints, etc... bubbled in water fed to plants or drank, etc...

Could someone please tell me where to download the "FUel Cell Manual" by Meyer

What is the "School Girl" Circuit. I have Bearden's book infront of me and there is no circuit diagram labled "School Girl".

It looks like the diagrams in the middle of the book are all similar. Figure 36 looks most relevent but im only guessing becuase I havnt finished reading the book.

Aaron, could you please reference the circuit you speak of by Figure number?

Dear Opmeyer,

Sorry to be so obvious, but if you would type your questions into Google, the answers are all over the internet. A simple "school girl motor" search yields 2.3 million hits, with the first one at PESwiki: Directory:Bedini SG - PESWiki This link has complete instructions for beginners.

In Bearden's book, the circuit would be called "The Mono-Pole Motor". Quite a number of different variations are presented for charging batteries directly, or for charging capacitors and then discharging them.

Good luck,

Peter

Opmeyer,

I'm not sure exactly what other people have, but this link takes you to the Rex Research file:

Stanley Meyer: Water Fuel Cell

and this link takes you to the same information in a .pdf file:

http://www.byronwine.com/files/MEYER%20PAGE.pdf

This should give you something to start with.

Peter

I think this is what you're looking for if not let me know.
http://www.esmhome.org/library/stan-...ical-brief.pdf

There is a thread right here in this forum for the school girl motor:
Bedini Schoolgirl

On page 8 of the document posted, it says:

Using "Voltage Potential" to stimulate the water molecule to produce atomic energy on demand


This is what I have pointed people to since the end of 2003. After I learned what I could about Bedini's circuits and then went back to looking at Meyer's stuff...I saw this and it was all too obvious what Meyer was doing. He had it in front of everyone the whole time but not many people really understood about working with voltage potential versus current and therefore everyone was hung on magical frequencies.

Hi,

I don't see any step charging circuit in your schematic. What is the connection your standard dc electrolysis and the original Meyer's idea? If your schematic based on the "voltage pontential" your machine will able to split the very pure distilled water. But i don't think your method will split this type of water... This is the only proof of the "voltage potential splitting". And what about the scaling? The gas production will stops withing one or two weeks?

The vids and schematics I have posted are only for rapid conditioning of the cells. The coating isn't "scaling" as you mention but is a form of electroplating on the negative tubes only, which further restrict current or electron leakage from the negative tube.

I have produced gas with this exact cell using Bedini radiant circuits as far back as 2003 letting the circuits find their own resonant frequency as any self-organizing circuit would do.

If you have knowledge of the step charging circuit, then maybe you know everything Meyer did. Please tell me, what is your experience with coating the negative tubes with Delrin and what did you use to coat the negative wires inside the cell?

as a matter of fact, the longer the cells have been conditioned, the MORE the gas production is for the same input.