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Old 02-18-2016, 06:34 PM
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Well in all truth I wondered the same thing. I don't think pointing that out makes anyone a troll. LOL You have to understand that these threads get rolled out of topic and it is important to ask the intent of someone who posts out of topic.
No biggy though it is nice car.

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Thank you for a possitive response,I know I might have over reacted,but seen from previous posts on various threads I can come to but one conclusion that is self explanatory,thank you nonetheless for your input......i will in future refrain from such behaviour
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... I do not think me or Turion ever claimed free energy, ....
Yet Turion started this thread and named it "Basic Free Energy Device". Was it that far fetched to inquire how the electric race car featured in the video which you posted with no explanation relates to free energy?
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I see an issue or two with the video (like it isn't the White Zombie) ...
The car in that video is a black converted Mustang called Zombie 222 done by Bloodshed Motors of Austin, TX.

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another one just for you bistander
https://youtu.be/7rVTIpS5zb4
This video is about the White Zombie, a white converted Datsun done by a friend in Oregon.

Obviously two different electric race cars.

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Are you blind? how can you say it is not Zombie?What on earth deceived you?.......
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and you can say what motors he used, and by their names....I did not see You there....you are not by a long shot familiar with any of these technologies...if you are ....prove it.
I have been following the White Zombie for years and the Zombie 222 for about a year or so since I saw it mentioned on the NEDRA site. I am on a first name basis with the owner of the company which builds the motors used in the Zombie 222. I can tell you how many turns per coil they used in the armature.

The custom builder who did the motors for the White Zombie is good friend and I can tell you the color and nickname he used for those motors. I know the fellow who designed the controllers and the guy who owns the company which now builds them. I have built a number of EVs using equipment from these sources.

I don't care if you believe me and I don't have to prove anything. The electric race car caught my attention and I thought I might be able to offer some insight or detail to help you guys. But you'd rather call me names. Go figure.

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Rick Frederick just released this amazing information for all the world to see....how to run motors without having to pay to do it.

https://youtu.be/SE-AiC9yiFc

If you have ever built the 3BGS or any of the other circuits we have shown on that thread for the last four or five years, you will see that there may be some....similarities. Possibly. Maybe. I think I first posted about running motors this way about 8 years ago.

Rick claims to have a self runner. I believe that. It's not that hard to do knowing what I know about how this can work. Can his stuff actually self run and produce a large amount of usable power? I don't know, because I haven't seen his stuff up close and personal. I know that if he really understands what he has shared, it has the POTENTIAL (get it...potential?) to do a heck of a lot more than self run. That's what we've been saying all along. I do know a couple folks who have his motors, and they are NOT self runners, but possibly this is a recent breakthrough for him. Don't know.

Anyway, Matt, Carroll and I are working on a prototype to show you what can be done. We had two of the three up and running today and discovered an issue which we are working to correct. Once we get all the issues ironed out we should have a nice little package to share that will self run and show proof of concept. It won't power your house either, but IF it works, we can show how to step it up to whatever output you want. We'll keep you posted.
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Just to let you know. We are still here and still working on a prototype to share when it is completed and we have REAL numbers to share.

Carroll got some good results today with magnetic neutralization with only ONE coil in the prototype, but how this translates to a finished product is too early to say. He cut his amp draw by 50%, saw the rotor speed up, and got additional power generated (because of the increased speed, no doubt) so that was kinda cool. Whether we can get the same results with ALL the coils in place remains to be seen.

Anyway, we have things to try, so if we are not posting here it is because we are WORKING. Matt, Carroll and I all have the same prototype on our bench, and we are making modifications and testing things that we are sharing with each other. The idea was to put together a machine that uses all the little tricks we have learned over the years to put together a self runner. We shall see.

This will be far from an overnight project, so tune in from time to time.

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Thank's guys! keep going your good work!
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Some news to share hopefully in the coming months. I am still working on the project but I have went in a different direction that uses a simple magnet arrangement with ultrasonic vibration the type used in cleaning

So you have the basic free energy device with the razor scooter motor adding in a very interesting modification. I am sure Matt and Dave already know the power of ultrasonic's when used with a modified motor.

However I have not seen it mentioned anywhere else or on this thread so I wanted to give an update.

Good work guys! You all are contributing so much to the community!!!



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So you have the basic free energy device with the razor scooter motor adding in a very interesting modification. I am sure Matt and Dave already know the power of ultrasonic's when used with a modified motor.

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Do you end up with a really clean motor? I am afraid I do not know could you tell us.

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Do you end up with a really clean motor? I am afraid I do not know could you tell us.

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The clean motor is a by product I am sill working out the theory but I think it has something to do with causing the coil of the motor to resonate causing less drag?

I will post pictures and test data once I can confirm it for sure. Still working on the project!



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I do hope success for your project. I always check in to follow your post.
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Hi Dave
Thanks for posting videos by Rick Frederick. Encouraged me to try his methods. Actually my first goal is to try and de-sulphate old batteries. I only have one good 12v lawn tractor battery. I have several 25 Ah SLA I bought 14 years ago to make a portable PA system. All now really dead.

I managed to get one to charge up to 8 v. So I hooked it in series with my good battery to give me 20 v to charge two dead batts in parallel. My small motor hooked between the positives. I needed a resistor across the charge batts to get the motor to run. After about 2 hours, the motor ran without the resistor. It ran all day.

At the end of the day one of the charge batts got to 2v the other to only 0.2v. So, I put it on a trickle charge on the 2v to see if anything happens overnight. Actually, I put a trickle charge on the source batts 1 and 2 also. The reason for my post will explain.

As I monitored the system, I discovered that there is a pulsing DC voltage on each bat in the system that is slightly more than double the bat voltage? I don't recall reading about this when I was more active in the forum. Maybe it is because I am using highly sulphated batts? Even my good bat is 4 years old.

For example: Primary bat 12.2 v showing 28 v on AC scale with red lead on bat positive. If I reverse the leads, no AC reading. Primary bat number two 8v DC shows pos AC 20v and charge batts surface running charge 7 v shows pos AC 16v. Maybe the bemf of the motor is giving the high voltage pulses?

The second thing I noticed is that each bat in the system has its own unique frequency band. The freq seems related to the voltage in the bat, or the amount of sulphation? The good 12v bat centered around 200Hz, the 8v bat centered around 1.3Hz and the dead batts centered around 1.6Hz. Interesting as the 8v bat dropped to 7v and the surface charge of the charge batts approached 7v, their freqs started to match? Maybe this is caused by ringing of the plates or something?

I don't have a scope to show what's going on with the wave patterns. I double check with my analog meters against the digital. I built a Imhotep relay charger first to try and de-sulphate the batts. I thought something was wrong because my clamp meter was showing 600 milliamps of current. But, the relay seemed to work and it was lighting the neon lamp. I later noticed the meter was measuring 600 milliamps before I clamped it on the wire! It was responding to the radiant field. Even the volt readings varied up and down.

I hooked up my analog meter and it measured 30 mA as it should. But, I was only getting 8 mA into the charge batts. The 3batt system with my small motor is getting around 45 mA into the charge batts and my digital meters are fine with the energy.

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Thanks for posting videos by Rick Frederick. Encouraged me to try his methods. Actually my first goal is to try and de-sulphate old batteries. I only have one good 12v lawn tractor battery. I have several 25 Ah SLA I bought 14 years ago to make a portable PA system. All now really dead.

I managed to get one to charge up to 8 v. So I hooked it in series with my good battery to give me 20 v to charge two dead batts in parallel. My small motor hooked between the positives. I needed a resistor across the charge batts to get the motor to run. After about 2 hours, the motor ran without the resistor. It ran all day.

At the end of the day one of the charge batts got to 2v the other to only 0.2v. So, I put it on a trickle charge on the 2v to see if anything happens overnight. Actually, I put a trickle charge on the source batts 1 and 2 also. The reason for my post will explain.

As I monitored the system, I discovered that there is a pulsing DC voltage on each bat in the system that is slightly more than double the bat voltage? I don't recall reading about this when I was more active in the forum. Maybe it is because I am using highly sulphated batts? Even my good bat is 4 years old.

For example: Primary bat 12.2 v showing 28 v on AC scale with red lead on bat positive. If I reverse the leads, no AC reading. Primary bat number two 8v DC shows pos AC 20v and charge batts surface running charge 7 v shows pos AC 16v. Maybe the bemf of the motor is giving the high voltage pulses?

The second thing I noticed is that each bat in the system has its own unique frequency band. The freq seems related to the voltage in the bat, or the amount of sulphation? The good 12v bat centered around 200Hz, the 8v bat centered around 1.3Hz and the dead batts centered around 1.6Hz. Interesting as the 8v bat dropped to 7v and the surface charge of the charge batts approached 7v, their freqs started to match? Maybe this is caused by ringing of the plates or something?

I don't have a scope to show what's going on with the wave patterns. I double check with my analog meters against the digital. I built a Imhotep relay charger first to try and de-sulphate the batts. I thought something was wrong because my clamp meter was showing 600 milliamps of current. But, the relay seemed to work and it was lighting the neon lamp. I later noticed the meter was measuring 600 milliamps before I clamped it on the wire! It was responding to the radiant field. Even the volt readings varied up and down.

I hooked up my analog meter and it measured 30 mA as it should. But, I was only getting 8 mA into the charge batts. The 3batt system with my small motor is getting around 45 mA into the charge batts and my digital meters are fine with the energy.

Chris
Hi Tishatang!
Nice noticed...
You should try the re-emf charger for desulfating your batt... For me it is working better then the relay charger...
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Thanks for the charger circuit. I will see what I can put together.
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i think from memory, Matt is or was not a fan of the re-emf setup. something about puting juice in the charge battery at the wrong end kills them quicker. hope i got that right. what are your current thoughts on that Matt.
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interesting results

I just had someone call me with some interesting results with a different way of connecting some things on the 3BGS. Here is how he had it connected.

-of bat one...batt one +... - bat 2...batt 2 +...motor...+ bat 3...batt 3 -.. connected to minus of batt one to make a loop.

Then connect a 2nd motor between the - of batt 3 and - of batt 2. Don't ask why. Just ry it. Loooooooooooong runs.
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gotta admit that's a bit unorthodox.
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That's what I thought, but he says that while battery 2 is going down slowly, he is getting REALLY long runs, and both motors are running at speed as if connected to 12 volts. That's always good. And voltan, your drawing is correct.
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I wonder if coupling the motors, maybe 2:1 could take this further. this could be the basis for a breakthrough in electric cars,boats,planes,cordless lawnmowers, power tools,etc,etc.... very keen to see feedback and updates on this. hopefully it's good enough to overcome the old bugbear of reliability and repeatability issues and works for everybody every time.
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I just had someone call me with some interesting results with a different way of connecting some things on the 3BGS. Here is how he had it connected.

-of bat one...batt one +... - bat 2...batt 2 +...motor...+ bat 3...batt 3 -.. connected to minus of batt one to make a loop.

Then connect a 2nd motor between the - of batt 3 and - of batt 2. Don't ask why. Just ry it. Loooooooooooong runs.
This is very interesting configuration or balancing act. I finally managed to get four brand new motors at very good price, including shipping from the US. The one I bought earlier (also from the US) cost me almost as much as I paid for them and it must sat submerged in water at some point. Even magnets no longer bonded with casing. Maybe salvageable but I'll use the new ones. Just need to get my hands on couple decent batteries as I recycled all, few years ago. It is good to see this thread still alive.


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if this early info is correct,what i like about it is B1's voltage holding up. also, any time B3's voltage is higher than B2's, i think it's fair to assume current should flow to balance them out. it raises some curious questions, like how does motor bemf affect battery current flow, and being fairly basic, hopefuly it's a good model to study and gain a better understanding of what's happening.
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i think from memory, Matt is or was not a fan of the re-emf setup. something about puting juice in the charge battery at the wrong end kills them quicker. hope i got that right. what are your current thoughts on that Matt.
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Running batteries from the negative end will cause black fluid. Black Fluid is the crystal formation from the ground side plates breaking down into the fluid.

I have 3, 5 gallon buckets of black fluid in my shop from running a Tesla switch on some batteries for 8 months. The batteries no longer work and have since been recycled.

If that what your talking about. I do not know what the re emf is...

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spot on Matt. i posted this (not my work), on another thread about july 2014 and as i recall you posted a caution about reduced battery life. it is a good looking scheme though. how did your tesla switch setup go while the batteries were good ?
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Running batteries from the negative end will cause black fluid. Black Fluid is the crystal formation from the ground side plates breaking down into the fluid...

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Matt could you elaborate on this. "Running batteries from the negative". In my mind I think of running motors off of negatives, or charging with the negative. I may just be stupid too. aln
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Matt could you elaborate on this. "Running batteries from the negative". In my mind I think of running motors off of negatives, or charging with the negative. I may just be stupid too. aln
Look at any 3 battery switch. If the load is between the negatives your fluid goes black inside the battery.

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Look at any 3 battery switch. If the load is between the negatives your fluid goes black inside the battery.

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do you see a potential problem with the attachment as related to the black fluid? Specifically the circuit on the right.

After playing with the 3bgs, splitting the positives, cascading the recovery, and theses ideas for a limited time; then seeing Rick F. with his "loving giving paths" etc. who recommended running a load between the positives- then between the negatives running a pulse motor (which acts as a current limiter for the load between the positives) so far I have not yet experienced the black fluid, and do not want to. Thank you in advance, Aln
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You believe what you want, Rick is Con Man and a thief, he has cost a lot of people in the past with his theological hypocrisy and so called circuits. If you are spending any amount of time try to look into what he has shown you are waisting your time and being primed for con that will most likely cost you money. He is liar and a cheat and everything he has ever shown or claimed was false except for the Bedini's stuff who he conveniently exploited for his gain.

That is all I have to say, leave me out of this conversation from here on out.

You will get black fluid from utilizing the ground side on ANY setup that utilizes a 3 battery type system. PERIOD. The lower the power the longer it takes.

Leave me alone.
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(which acts as a current limiter for the load between the positives) Aln
How does it feel to see whats being suggested, while simultaneously being blinded by the suggestion?

In my opinion, the heart of the matter has always been and will always be how the fields and or forces involved experience and or relate to opposition to change.

Systems like the topic of this thread whether known and understood by the many discussing it, deals with opposition to change on a level which has no equal in light of how things are done conventionally.

Effects generated in conventional systems, systems which operate in accordance with the established and accepted, this system amplifies, via augmentation. What I mean is a system configured to operate in electrical opposition, augments electrical opposition. It is established as fact (more or less) that the relations which exist between inducer and induced result in undesired association. The relation is unwanted in a conventional system. The system being considered is not a conventional system, and in truth (mine) cannot be compared with a conventional system. Such a system is both non linear and asymmetrical, very important attributes when you know how to take advantage of them.

The statement you made is where it begins, discover for yourself the many ways current limiting is taking place in any rotary mechanical, electrodynamic system. It matters not if the circuit is dynamo electric, or magneto electric, the result, all things considered, will be identical.

We fear that which we don't understand. These systems are reactors, they are based on opposition to change, and as such facilitate change. The black fluid shouldn't be feared. The desire to know why it manifests, and what it is should outweigh ones fear of it.


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Screw it, it not even worth addressing a narcissistic personality disorder.

Listen to Er Finder he knows it all and he'll surly share it all with ya.

Everybody else is just a bunch low life liars trying to deceive you.
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