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Old 09-29-2014, 08:28 AM
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Well, today people cannot be shocked anymore . If somebody would tell that electricity is a flow of currency inside the wire they will accept it ...
I've told many that power stations never produced any watt of energy taken from combustion of oil or coal to run stem engines which propel their generators, but nobody is believing. Yet we can trace many such statements in history. McFarland Cook,Leedscalnin,Stubblefield,Hendershot,Perrigo,M oray,Figuera,Buforn,Steven Mark essentially said the same : generators do not produce electricity, they condense actual currents available in Earth electrical system, which was called ether or air electricity...
P.S. Sorry, forgot Tom Bearden - HE IS RIGHT , very good description about mechanical energy in generators used up to turn the shaft, but then he mess too much with dipoles ;-)
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@Turion,

The idea in the picture (from Kelly) is an interesting one, but I see no coils in this circuit. (while in your posts you are talking about motors and coils)
Just a lot of switching to be done, and today it seems to make more sense to use ultra caps instead of those batteries. Is there a ready-to-use diagram to implement this circuit?



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OK, so Matt went into some depth, and explained what is true and false about what I read in Kelly's book that got me started. And he should know. His Benitez device ran under load for months. Think about the four components again, and let's look at them.
Motor
Generator
Flywheel
Switching.

Begin with the motor.
I wanted to build a device that we knew worked. John B himself said that after the deal with Watson and when his life was threatened, he moved away from the design he had and went with the monopole design because they wouldn't come after him for that one. It was NOT as efficient, so no big threat. So they left him alone. Now we can try to build monopoles, or we can go back to that original device.
1. Motor
2. Generator/Accumulator
4. Proper Switching
5. Flywheel

This device WORKED. Reduce the cost of running the motor and you obviously have a greater span between what it costs you to run, and what you get out of your generator. My thinking was that we take each of the component parts and bring to the table all we know about how to make that the BEST it can be, based on current knowledge.

Motor modifications.
John ran a universal motor so there was no drag between rotor and stator in the off time. Probably modified to be more efficient than off the shelf.

But maybe we can go a step better, or maybe NOT
1. Rewind a Razor Scooter motor as a pulse motor using the wiring schematic Matt came up with and we have been using for almost two years now with the razor scooter motor on the 3BGS thread. We posted instructions for how to do that on the 3BGS web site already, and one of the guys who replicated it even made a video. But that is data easily linked to and shared. Why a pulse motor? Because 50% of the time it runs as a generator and the other 50% of the time you can run it between potential differences. And while that will not allow it to run FOREVER (or we would have figured out a way on the 3BGS thread long ago and are still working on it) it gives REALLY LONG run times. What else can we do? How about this:

2. Add magnets to the exterior casing that will impact the current draw and RPM production of the motor, which allows us to REDUCE the voltage required to get the motor to run at the RPM we want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xv-...eature=related

I was up at 5:00 this morning cutting out pieces of plywood and gluing blocks between as spacers. It appears to work. I have not seen ANYBODY on the internet replicate this.

3. Run this modified motor on the 3BGS configuration, but not JUST the 3BGS configuration using 3 good batteries. You also incorporate switching, so first one battery is in the 3rd position, and then the next, and then the next, rotating them through. I have done this manually, and it also works.

What I am trying to do here is look at things people have done and we know how to do, and put them together to build something that works. I am not saying there isn't a BETTER solution to getting the most out of a motor, so that is why I am here sharing ideas. Some of YOU may have better ones.

We might find that using a Universal motor as John B did (so that there is no drag during the off time since the rotor AND stator are wound) is best, but I can't help but think this configuration might be way better. That's why we need people building and testing. I will build and test MY ideas. You build and test YOURS, and we see what works BEST and incorporate it into the design go this four part system.

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I'm sure you have tried this winding , but maybe not.
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@Turion,

The idea in the picture (from Kelly) is an interesting one, but I see no coils in this circuit. (while in your posts you are talking about motors and coils)
Just a lot of switching to be done, and today it seems to make more sense to use ultra caps instead of those batteries. Is there a ready-to-use diagram to implement this circuit?



Ernst.
The picture is from John's original website that has been there for the past 18 years: THE TESLA SWITCH

Here is a copy of the entire original page from way back:

THE TESLA SWITCH


We used as a starting point for our experiments, the switching device John Bedini had built for the Tesla Symposium. Our goal was to upgrade this switching device for ordinary car or motorcycle batteries.

Because we had already learned that the efficiency will go up the more we load the circuit, we decided to load this Tesla circuit also.

We found that when we connected a second lamp, the first lamp instantaneously became brighter.

Each time we disconnected and connected one of the light bulbs or other loads in the circuit, we saw a spark about a half inch long. The light of this spark was noticeably different from the light of sparks observed when experimenting with high voltages. We discovered that in addition to X-rays we were also generating scalar waves. These were detecting using a scalar wave detector built by John Bedini, which was based on a plan furnished by Tom Bearden.

THE CIGAR-BOX SIZE TESLA SWITCH

Bedini was then invited to speak at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado Springs, CO, on August, 11, 1984, The symposium honored the 100th anniversary of the arrival of Nikola Tesla in the USA, and was sponsored by the Tesla Committee, by the Institute for Electronic and Electrical Engineers (IEEE), Pikes Peak Section, and by the Ford Aerospace& Communications Corporation,Colorado Springs Operation. At the symposium, Bedini demonstrated an inexpensive, cigar-box sized Tesla-type converter witch he had recently built. Throughout the demonstration, which lasted a full 24 hours during the symposium, a constant load was being drawn out of the system to do work, Nevertheless, the converter kept the nickel-cadmium batteries fully charged! The concept, witch had been originated by Nikola Tesla, was given to John Bedini by Ronald Brandt, who was a personal friend of Nikola Tesla. Brandt is reputed to have a similar converter which he has used for years without loosing the battery charge. Bedini presented the schematic diagram showing how to build the solid-state device, and then released copies of the schematic diagram.

This Diagram Was used by John Bedini to test the Tesla Switch
The scalar wave battery charger.
It happened on a Saturday night on the Bill Jenkins Show. I was invited to speak between the Dodger Baseball game and the news. The show had about one hour remaining to the end at 12:00 midnight.
Bill Jenkins knew nothing about what I was going to talk about that night. The time came for us to go on the air and the program started. I then proceeded to talk to the audience and I said, "Did anyone ever try this experiment: Did you ever try charging two capacitors, say about 22,000 microfarads, with 12 volts and then putting the two capacitors in series and dumping the charge across that same battery?" In the next few minutes the phone lines started to light up so I took the first phone call and answered the person's question. By the time the next call came up, it was time for news. By the time the news was over, I was on my way home with Bill.
Well two weeks went by and it came time for the next radio show. This is where Ray and Bill showed up. Bill Jenkins called for the radio station Chief Engineer, and said to Ray and Bill: "Well Show Us what You Got." Bill said, "WE HAVE A SCALAR WAVE BATTERY CHARGER." The Engineer said, "Sure you do." Bill said, "We do. We built this to John Bedini's plan." The Engineer said "OK, LET'S TEST IT." About this time Bill threw the switch on the side of the box , the lights and the motor started to run and Bill said to the station Engineer, "GO AHEAD MEASURE THE BATTERY." The station Engineer put the best meter the station owned across the battery. The Engineer looked over to Bill Jenkins and Me and said, "I do not believe this. This battery for all practical purposes is dead but yet it's running the lights and the motor and the battery is not running down."
For weeks after that the station was flooded with calls from people trying to find out where they could find this Bill and Ray. About one month after that I got a phone call from Bill. He said "Would you like to come over to my house. I said, "Sure." I got to his house and we talked for about two hours. At the end of our talk I asked Bill if I could have a copy of the circuit diagram. He said, "Sure. After all,you invented the thing."
This is where the bad part comes in. What the hell happened to Bill and Ray with this box? They never did anything with it. Here is the good part, the circuit diagram as he drew it I have only copied it in my paint program. IT'S YOURS, HAVE FUN. I NEVER BUILT IT. I ONLY HAD AN IDEA ABOUT A PORTABLE BATTERY CHARGER YOU NEVER HAD TO PLUG INTO THE WALL FOR POWER.
Some things in the circuit look wrong to me. But this is the circuit just the way I received it. So that's what I'm putting on the page. I have not studied this circuit and I haven't built it. I'm just giving you the information.
WARNING: BATTERY COULD EXPLODE IF YOU HAVE FAULTY CONNECTIONS. BUILD AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Good Luck
John Bedini
I might say something here, Ron Cole and I worked together, some of the circuits He did others I did. We are still very good friends to this day, except that I moved to Idaho and Ron stayed in California, but we still talk on the phone to each other.
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That is just to document the real source.
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OK, so Matt went into some depth, and explained what is true and false about what I read in Kelly's book that got me started. And he should know. His Benitez device ran under load for months. Think about the four components again, and let's look at them.
Motor
Generator
Flywheel
Switching.

Begin with the motor.
I wanted to build a device that we knew worked. John B himself said that after the deal with Watson and when his life was threatened, he moved away from the design he had and went with the monopole design because they wouldn't come after him for that one. It was NOT as efficient, so no big threat. So they left him alone. Now we can try to build monopoles, or we can go back to that original device.
1. Motor
2. Generator/Accumulator
4. Proper Switching
5. Flywheel

This device WORKED. Reduce the cost of running the motor and you obviously have a greater span between what it costs you to run, and what you get out of your generator. My thinking was that we take each of the component parts and bring to the table all we know about how to make that the BEST it can be, based on current knowledge.

Motor modifications.
John ran a universal motor so there was no drag between rotor and stator in the off time. Probably modified to be more efficient than off the shelf.

But maybe we can go a step better, or maybe NOT
1. Rewind a Razor Scooter motor as a pulse motor using the wiring schematic Matt came up with and we have been using for almost two years now with the razor scooter motor on the 3BGS thread. We posted instructions for how to do that on the 3BGS web site already, and one of the guys who replicated it even made a video. But that is data easily linked to and shared. Why a pulse motor? Because 50% of the time it runs as a generator and the other 50% of the time you can run it between potential differences. And while that will not allow it to run FOREVER (or we would have figured out a way on the 3BGS thread long ago and are still working on it) it gives REALLY LONG run times. What else can we do? How about this:

2. Add magnets to the exterior casing that will impact the current draw and RPM production of the motor, which allows us to REDUCE the voltage required to get the motor to run at the RPM we want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xv-...eature=related

I was up at 5:00 this morning cutting out pieces of plywood and gluing blocks between as spacers. It appears to work. I have not seen ANYBODY on the internet replicate this.

3. Run this modified motor on the 3BGS configuration, but not JUST the 3BGS configuration using 3 good batteries. You also incorporate switching, so first one battery is in the 3rd position, and then the next, and then the next, rotating them through. I have done this manually, and it also works.

What I am trying to do here is look at things people have done and we know how to do, and put them together to build something that works. I am not saying there isn't a BETTER solution to getting the most out of a motor, so that is why I am here sharing ideas. Some of YOU may have better ones.

We might find that using a Universal motor as John B did (so that there is no drag during the off time since the rotor AND stator are wound) is best, but I can't help but think this configuration might be way better. That's why we need people building and testing. I will build and test MY ideas. You build and test YOURS, and we see what works BEST and incorporate it into the design go this four part system.

Dave
Dave,

I couldn't agree with you more. It's time to go big and do this. We've seen enough to know this is not only possible, but its been done by John Bedini and a couple others one or two of which are on this forum. We've been very fortunate that we haven't had a major collapse in this country of some kind. While we've got time we need to make the best use of it. I'll give you a call and we can sort out parts to build with.

I believe we have the tools and the knowledge of how to apply them...

Cheers,

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Well lay it out Luther, what should we do?

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Hi Matt,

You tell me!

I tend to respond as I go so I hadn't read your post where you say you have something you want to share. David says let's talk about this and you say you have something to share so by all means - do share and let's build!

I'm looking forward to what develops and in participating...

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Hi Guys
A friend has offered me four Sota Enertech 12V 80Ah UPS Batteries, along with the big charger (holds four batteries) if I want them. I remember from the thread and SLA batteries seem to be at the bottom of the 3BGS user-friendly list. They're SLA AGM. I haven't tested them, and they're likely dead (were used at a radio station and have been replaced).
Any thoughts on their usability for this project?
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Grab 'em. Most of these systems produce reactive power that you need to dump into batteries or caps before it is usable, and batteries are never a bad thing to have. Either you ail be able to restore them, or you can convert them to Alum. Either way, they are worth it.
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... and try to keep the cost low on parts so everyone will have a chance if they choose to build.
It would be good to have a section on parts. For instance, I went to some trouble acquiring car starter motors, (12DC field wound) only to find that the bearings are so bad as to render them a liability.
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So, David (Turion) and I have been discussing this project. We've got some ideas for what we want to hand out and not hand out. So we figure we'll document several builds over the next 8 weeks and get all the literature together and start new thread.

We are going to try to keep it in the realm of possible for most and try to keep the cost low on parts so everyone will have a chance if they choose to build.

Stay Tuned.
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Thanks Matt and Dave,
I've got a lot of resources out in my workshop as well and would like to come along for the ride.
In the meantime I will put together the basic 3BGS to get familiar with it In the flesh.
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If you look at Energy from the vacuum #37, where John B talks about the "Basic Free Energy Device" that Tom Beardon put in the "Free Energy Generation" book, he says there are two problems with it, that are solved by the monopole setup.

1st, trying to charge the same battery you are running off. Most folks can't get that to work. (John's words, not mine) Which is why he prefers two batteries.

2nd. The energy used to run the DC motor is lost because it is run by attaching it to a battery in the conventional manner, and it draws the battery down.

BOTH of these issues are addressed by what I've been harping on. Use a 3BGS type setup to move energy from a higher potential to a lower potential THROUGH THE MOTOR, POWERING IT, and you have VERY LITTLE NET LOSS…just heat/friction losses PLUS you get the benefit of the motor running as a generator while you are pulsing it on a 50% duty cycle. Yes, the primary will eventually run down, so SWAP IT OUT with a battery you have charged using the output from the generator. There are some smart folks out there who can figure out how to flip between charging one battery and another battery based on the voltage reading in the batteries using an Arduino or something similar.

If you are going to play with the 3BGs, use three good batteries and watch your voltages. Run a motor and rotate your three batteries around. Don't overcharge battery 3.
YOU tell ME what you see happening when you do this.
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Hi Turion and all,

Your links to the rotoverter/AC motor reminds me of my poor man's mini rotoverter. I used two auto alternators coupled together. I drove one as a motor using a model car speed controller. When I got this concept, I chose not to post to this forum for the reasons you cited in your opening statements. Too many talkers and not enough builders.

Plus, I am just a retired old (soon to be 78) musician and I do not want to get into big discussions over things I really know little about. I was hoping some younger builders would copy my build posted on another forum because I was getting some unusual effects. I was able to drive a small 3 phase washing machine motor with the setup. In reactive mode, I could stall the motor without any reflection back to the battery or driving motor. I was able to drive the small motor to over 6,000 rpm on 14 v AC even though It is a 110 v motor.

I was also getting surges of over 50 volts with a running voltage of about 14 v. This would not happen with the small motor stalled. I came to the conclusion that the way to harness VARS in a resonant system was with a 3 phase generator driving a separate free running motor. The rotor of the free running motor would automatically adjust to whatever phase angle changes between volts and amps and convert this into usable energy.

The rotoverter concept is using resonance within its shaft coupled system and is locked into grid hertz. To my knowledge, no one has put a free running motor into resonance driven by a 3 phase generator? The VARS would be harvested as torque at the shaft of the free running motor if the concept works?

Here is a link to my last video I did about 3 months ago.

MAH00860 on Vimeo

I hope to return to my build soon. But have other priorities in my life right now. I do not want to link to another forum using this forum for those who might be interested in my build. I will post it if allowed.

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You know sometimes the most obvious things are the hardest to grasp. Now think about the title of this thread...Basic free energy device, what is the most basic free energy device?. The most basic, cheapest free energy device is a piece of black aluminum soffit which will generate 1 Kw of energy in the form of heat for a price of around $7. A solar thermal panel can be built for about $20 which will generate 1 Kw of heat 6 hours a day producing around 2200 Kw/hr annually.

Now think about all the time you have invested, all the money you have invested. The real issue here is that people segregate energy into neat little categories so it makes sense to them, common sense, however energy is not an Earth bound concept it is a universal one. We are literally swimming in a sea of energy for the taking and yet we are blind to it.

In any case, whirling magnets past a coil of wire without understanding what Energy, Magnetism and Electricity are fundamentally is a fools game in my opinion. It is equivalent to trying to hit a home run without knowing what baseball is and personally I think all of you are better than that. If you want to succeed your going to have to start asking the hard questions, your going to have to go to that place you fear the most. That place where you say I don't understand but I intend to...that is the beginning.

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South Americans mastered (and Indians) free energy long time ago



its called stealin'


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We'll leave them on here for now so people can see who wants to help and who doesn't. But you watch, they cannot handle anyone being critical of their comments as they feel they are right no matter what.
Last, notice how they run in packs. Thats a sign of a weak individual.
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Next time at the grocery,
suggest purchasing new batteries for your sense of humor.


You want free energy? MOVE TO ICELAND.


every house is sitting on a fortune of free energy, and it only takes about $1000 to tap a hole and power your house forever for free.
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Hi Tishtang,
That is very interesting how decreasing the voltage makes an increase in rpm!
Do you have any videos of how to build?
The blue box you use for a throttle, I use a trigger out of a variable speed drill, but would like to know more about your controller.
Awesome videos Thanks for sharing.
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Hi Matt,
I kept having failures with first version. It ran good, but blew the motor controller. Also, blew my attempts at solid state voltage control for the rotor voltage to each rotor of the alternators. Here is first video showing new version with heavy duty motor controller and 25 watt rheostats to regulate rotor voltages. Units are coupled together with rubber coupling for black ABS plastic drain pipe from hardware store. Runs very smooth, most noise from fan on motor controller.

Alternators are highly engineered units made to turn high rpms all day long. Washing machine motor out of Whirlpool front load washing machine, 110 v 3 phase squirrel cage motor designed to turn 11,000 rpm. I just happened to have it on hand. One day I decided to hook it up to 3 phase output of alternator. I am using two matched 90 Amp Denso units out of mid nineties Dodge products. Densos have bifilar windings in parallel for stator field. If necessary, one could rewire winding in series giving 24 v operation. Also, one can modify into either Delta or Wye.

I tried Delta, but went back to original Wye because higher starting torque. I finally went to two 6 v batteries for rotor source voltages. I tried to run separate alternator driven by the washing machine motor, but starting torque too low to turn. It can't follow the rotating field which has to be spinning over 6000 rpm. The alternator is a 12 pole motor. This means the motor controller is generating a rotating field to turn a 2 pole motor 36,000 rpm!

A better design would be to spin the alternator using the modified Razor pulse motor if it has the starting torque. Or, a regular brush controlled DC motor which is a much simpler setup. Also a flywheel added to maybe push through the rpm drop when surge happens.

As I experimented, the flash of inspiration came to me that, since VARS is created by a rotating rotor in a magnetic field, what better way to to harvest the VARS then using a free wheeling rotor in a magnetic field! The logic seems to make sense.

Alterverter Ver 2, Intro on Vimeo
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I think if we give him time he'll hang himself for sure, if he hasn't already.

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Since you cannot define the term INERTIA
, speaking about free energy is purely a futile chicken run.

All energy is tapping the loss of true inertia.

Your incapacity to define simplex theory makes actualization of free energy an impossibility.

If you want a serious debate on 'free energy' , it will be YOU who "hangs himself"
There is no free lunch, son.


what is potential is not actual, what is actual requires a modal change in the loss of what is potential (inertia)


Your (and others) premise of FREE ENERGY is that you can grow a 40,000 pound OAK TREE from an ACORN without :

1. dirt
2. water
3. sunshine

etc.


Suggest a course in logic.
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See this is what the first part of the thread was about. There is always those who have to comment and try to derail constructive conversation. Because of course they are so much better then everyone else. They have so much to offer in their purely theoretical and insulting views.
I wasn't aware that you were the sole person who decides what is constructive conversation and what is not or have you just taken this pseudo authority upon yourself?. I jumped in because I have spent decades doing exactly what you are doing so perhaps you might explain to me how you have come to believe you know more than any other person here?.

I mean no offense but I figured there was a 95% chance you would be the first to comment on my post harshly, you are an open book in my view from your prior posts so please do not lecture me until you take a good hard look in the mirror.

In any case my intent was to make people think, to ask the same question I had to ask myself a very long time ago. Why am I doing this?, I did the same stuff as everyone else day after day and I never got the results I wanted...why?. The answer is that fundamentally we have no idea what were dealing with... again what is magnetism?, what is electricity?, what is a field?. If your so god damn smart you tell me but I'm going to take a wild guess and say that like everyone else you have no idea where to even start, why is that?.

Have you ever wondered why you consider yourself an expert in this field but you have absolutely no coherent answers to any of the hard questions that really matter?. I did a long time ago and I found I was a fool chasing smoke and mirrors, I was everything I told myself I was not and I am no expert in any sense of the word but that's just me.

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No sir I think you have it all wrong because knowing my weakness gives me strength. I am not perfect, I do not know everything and most of what I think I know is most likely completely wrong so I strive to do better every hour of every day....understanding my weakness is my greatest strength.

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As a matter of fact I think TA is cyber stalking me, lol, which is fine because he seems like a nice enough person behind that hard exterior he shows here. We should not be so quick to judge anyone and if they can help me learn and grow as a person then I have no right to judge them, I should be thankful. As well me and TA can never seem to agree on anything, we are oil and water, but that does not change the fact he makes me think, to question myself which is more than I can say of your posts.

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So show some of your work AC.
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meaningless nonsense. A monkey can throw parts together, ....an elaborate gadget that does nothing and produces nothing is NOT WORK

its a waste of time and energy.


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Then I'll share it (my magic device)
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Yes, said about 1000000000 'inventors'. Talk is cheap.

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So what someone else or I don't understand Energy, Magnetism and Electricity. So what. If the machine works then the machine works.
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"works" is a vague term that means nothing.

A rock WORKS , it sits there and resists movement.

Yes, Im sure you dont understand magnetism, nobody does. (well almost nobody).


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And all your theory in the face of that is useless.
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And all your TALK in the face of that is useless.

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So show us something AC stop talking.
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So show us something MATT stop talking.
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I respect you and what you have to say. I also need to vouch for Matt. I've only seen him talk about what he knows because he's actually done the work. He has posted videos of his work and documents to instruct people in their building. I've seen him offer further assistance to people who are working on projects and need a little guidance. He knows his theory, both inside and outside the classical EM theory box - again, because he's put in the bench time.

We all come at this from different angles of expertise. You possess a depth and clarity of logic, synthesis and didactic presentation that are rare in any field, and reading your work has been a gift and an education for many of us. Matt speaks from a level of solid expertise that comes from applied theory and R&D. He's respected by many here as someone who can theorize and apply in practical builds.
FWIW
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It's all about the work.

TA,
It is people like YOU who ruin it for everyone. You come on here and basically DARE us to post a working device just to prove you wrong. The silly thing is, we already KNOW you are wrong because of what we have seen on the bench. By posting it here, we would be giving YOU something you clearly don't deserve to have. Why would we reward YOU or any of those like you? I don't think so. At this point I would almost rather just share with the folks who have contacted Matt and I by PM, and then only with people we are pretty sure aren't YOU. LOL. Let it spread that way, by word of mouth, to people we trust and they trust, rather than show YOU squat. I suppose you might get it eventually, but at least it wouldn't be from us.

I too will be spending time working on stuff. I have a driver board to finish soldering. It's what I need to run my 12 coil motor/generator. We are building things. Mostly, they don't work, and that can be depressing day after day. But after all this time of things not working, we have figured a few things out, so now we have some things that DO work. You go from COP>1 to COP>2 to COP>6, and you realize that there ARE some things you can do and ways of making things that actually work. And you want to share. But that is an urge easily controlled.

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rather than show YOU squat.
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Yes, yet another experimenter who talks about imaginary 'free energy' devices.


Yet wont show other this supposed cloud walking Unicorn.

how typical.

You and a few others speak like those in a cult who have a magic device, or a secret chant that produces supernatural phenomena.


You speak of the OCCULT, not of science .



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Why would we reward YOU or any of those like you?
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You have it backwards son. It is YOU who are supposed to produce YOUR device and reward yourself.

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It is people like YOU who ruin it for everyone.
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Id easily win the debate that it is nonsense claims of magical devices and making others experiment down DEAD END roads that "ruin it" for others.
Lets see this occult device of which and your fellow speaks.
Until then, its mere lip flapping.

Since you nor your pal can even DEFINE the term inertia, the source of ANY and ALL energy, .....then any claims that you have 'cracked the code' are absurd at best.
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It will be my post next, on my thread that is not respected by others..
Someone once said "I respect your claims, .......but I only have trust in your proof and results"


Pardon, I didnt know this was the thread for discussing occult devices that are top-secret magic power producing inventions.


I thought this was a non-fictional thread, my error entirely.
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TA,

I HAVE rewarded myself with my device. I spent a lot of money and a lot of time, and it is there on my bench. I have pictures and video and everything. But you know what? I don't need any of those things because I have the actual device. I can touch it. But more importantly, I can use it.

But if you think I am going to share something with YOU that I have worked THAT hard and long for when you act the way you do, you are smoking crack. I'm 60 years old. I have three Masters Degrees. I have a wife who loves me, kids, and grandkids. I have three dogs who drive me crazy. I don't have to prove anything to anybody but myself, and certainly not to YOU. LOL

My youngest son is an electrical engineer. He has seen things working on my bench that he doesn't understand because they didn't teach him everything in school, and he went to one of the best engineering schools in the country. We have some wonderful discussions, because he is as skeptical as they come, but it's hard to deny what your OWN instruments tell you.

This isn't just a hobby with me, it is my full time job. I retired 7 years ago and working on this stuff is what keeps me going. I am terribly busy at the moment remodeling my home to sell it, remodeling the house we are moving into for the short term, and building our retirement home, but I am setting up shop at the new house in a couple weeks, and will be building some prototypes. Maybe I will video one of the top-secret magic power producing inventions to see if TA can figure out how I am faking it, but probably not. LOL

You see, you can't get me riled up. You can insult your little head off and all I will do is laugh. And you know why? Because I have something that works, and all you have is a crappy attitude and a big vocabulary. It makes me chuckle.

People like you who remain anonymous and hide behind their little screen name while they lash out at people are of no consequence to me. You might piss Matt off but you just make me laugh.

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TA,I'm 60 years old. I have three Masters Degrees.
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I see you're trying to convince yourself, not me.


Master degrees mean nothing other than a great willingness to regurgitate nonsense someone else said or wrote before you, and pass tests and reword the same stuff that was shoved down your gullet.


Wisdom cannot be taught, not intuitive creativity. At the age of 60, one might assume (incorrectly) that you would have learned that by now.



You make claims about devices, but will not produce it?

Go patent it then
and then show everyone this magical Unicorn device.
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Tishatang,

DO you have any model numbers on either the Denso alternator or the squirrel cage motor? I have been running my generator with the little Razor Scooter pulse motor. Burnt up a couple trying to break the magnetic lock.

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